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Post Retcon Beyonder vs adult Franklin Richards

Who wins?

Dec 4th, 2012 04:29 AM

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Post Retcon Beyonder.

Check out his fight with Post Retcon Molecule Man that was wrecking havok across multiverses. Or the "Spider Man and the Secret Wars" issues where Spiderman with Post Retcon Beyonder's power does incredible shit like pwn Galactus, play with the timestream, etc....

In fact, Kubik claimed there would be multiversal consequences if Post Retcon Beyonder died.

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Dec 4th, 2012 04:32 AM

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beyondet. pretty easily.

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Franklin achieves victory.

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Franklin achieves victory.

Yup.

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No^ and No^^

beyonder is second only to TOAA

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Dec 4th, 2012 06:59 AM

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No^ and No^^

beyonder is second only to TOAA

That's PRE retcon. This is POST retcon, where's Cube beings are beneath Galactus, and Beyonders only a fraction of a full cube.

Dec 4th, 2012 07:16 AM

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That's PRE retcon. This is POST retcon, where's Cube beings are beneath Galactus, and Beyonders only a fraction of a full cube.

Im an idiot. I thought it said pre-retcon embarrasment

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Dec 4th, 2012 07:22 AM

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That's PRE retcon. This is POST retcon, where's Cube beings are beneath Galactus, and Beyonders only a fraction of a full cube.

This is POST RETCON

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From Spider-Man: The Secret Wars 04...

Doom tells the tale of how he forcibly beat the Beyonder, and usurped his powers:

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But before claiming said powers, they took a detour and entered Spider-Man.

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With Beyonder's powers, Spidey was able to..

a.) Physically rip Ultron in half -- quite a feat considering that version of Ultron was composed of primary Adamantium.
b.) Owns every 'villain' involved in SW, including Molecule Man and Galactus.
c.) Demonstrates time manipulation as a casual thing.

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How do I know Spidey was manipulating time? Because he only possessed the Beyonder's powers for one billionth of a second in real time:

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-Spidey-
"In that moment, I gained the powers... I was everywhere, and everything, and everyone... In that moment, which is this moment, I remade ALL of creation":

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Beyonder's power then flows into Doom.

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-Doom-
"This power I now possess reaches into the past, the future, ALL time and space":

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Lastly, Doom knew that his own doubts fueled by Beyonder's powers would ultimately be his undoing. But before he was conquered, he subtly altered reality:

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Taking into account all of the above, Beyonder's retcon(s) are once again... Questionable.

Spider Man with POST retcon Beyonder's power REMADE CREATION. That's not even including his MULTIVERSES affecting fight with post retcon MM.

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Dec 4th, 2012 03:33 PM

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franklin pwns i hate saying it but he does

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This is POST RETCON

Spider Man with POST retcon Beyonder's power REMADE CREATION. That's not even including his MULTIVERSES affecting fight with post retcon MM.

Those claiming that Franklin wins are ignoring the scans that you posted Zop...

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Those claiming that Franklin wins are ignoring the scans that you posted Zop...

No, they're also taking into account that Cubes are < Big G/Celestials, and Franklin not only defeated some Celestials, he made Big G his herald.

Dec 4th, 2012 08:23 PM

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No, they're also taking into account that Cubes are < Big G/Celestials, and Franklin not only defeated some Celestials, he made Big G his herald.

That lone statement by Kubik (which is very old) is debunked again and again by on-panel showings; that statement by Kubik is garbage...

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Remember, more recent showings>>old showings...

Galactus was very easily defeated by Spidey with the power of Post-Retcon Beyonder...wasnt he?

This more recent, on panel, demostration of the power of a Cube Being>>>a statement made by Kubik more than 15 years ago...

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That lone statement by Kubik (which is very old) is debunked again and again by on-panel showings; that statement by Kubik is garbage...

Well, I'm no authority on Beyonder, but he looked came across like the small fish in the pond when Protege faced the abstracts, Celestials, and LT.

Dec 4th, 2012 08:36 PM

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Well, I'm no authority on Beyonder, but he looked came across like the small fish in the pond when Protege faced the abstracts, Celestials, and LT.

Scathan is no ordinary Celestial...

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Beyonder

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Kubiks statments in regards to levels of infinity, and hierarchy to cosmic orders are not only contradicting for a number of reasons. His logic do not apply to Beyonder or Molecule Man.

Neither are Cube beings. Beyonder is either a inhabitant of the realm "Beyond", or a Mutant Inhuman.

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