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Takes place on earth, Fully Powered SSJ 3 Goku does not lose/drain energy like before. Vegita gets once SS4 transformation from Bulma.

Fight.

i would hope SS4 vegeta would have the power to beat SS3 goku.

Im piting this fight favoring Vegeta because Goku always has the upper-hand. At full power SS3 I think Goku would still have a shot if no power drain on his body. However Vegeta is SS4

Vegeta lacks feats as SS4 while Goku has many in SSJ3

If these are both anime characters, then this belongs in the Anime VS Forum.

Goku should still win, imho.

The level of power increase over the course of DBZ is ridiculously inconsistent to the point it could be argued that some of them were stronger when the series began than ended were it not outright stated otherwise.

An example being Piccolo kerbewming the moon without issue, an insane feat, and one I can't recall him ever topping, actually. Later on most of the planet busting that happens actually seemed to take more effort than that.

Goku sans SS form while training for that afterlife tournament specifically struggled with 40 tons. shrug He's done better than that in Dragon Ball. haermm

There's just not enough consistency to the series to argue SS4 Vegeta can outdo SS3 Goku, and GT was noncanon anyway.

Originally posted by Impediment
If these are both anime characters, then this belongs in the Anime VS Forum. It is and does.



And SS3 Goku wins because I hate GT and GT logic.

Excluding that Z vs GT feats, Vegeta would stomp. By scaling from Z, GT characters are on another level what with SS1 GTGoku being stronger than Buu.

That and GT gives the SS4 form, the highest strength feat from lifting up half a city and I think the fastest speed feat. By itself it gives nothing on destruction.. but meh.

Moved to Anime Vs.

SSJ4>SSJ3

Yes Goku might be more powerful at base form but still each SSJ form has big difference.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Goku should still win, imho.

The level of power increase over the course of DBZ is ridiculously inconsistent to the point it could be argued that some of them were stronger when the series began than ended were it not outright stated otherwise.

An example being Piccolo kerbewming the moon without issue, an insane feat, and one I can't recall him ever topping, actually. Later on most of the planet busting that happens actually seemed to take more effort than that.

Goku sans SS form while training for that afterlife tournament specifically struggled with 40 tons. shrug He's done better than that in Dragon Ball. haermm

There's just not enough consistency to the series to argue SS4 Vegeta can outdo SS3 Goku, and GT was noncanon anyway.

I agree, fully powered SSJ3 Goku should still be able to beat SS4.

SS4 Vegeta shitstomps SS3 Goku without even trying.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
SS4 Vegeta shitstomps SS3 Goku without even trying.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
SS4 Vegeta shitstomps SS3 Goku without even trying.

No feats to back this argument up. All we ever see SS4 Vegeta geting the shit kicked out of him.

Power scaling takes the cake.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Goku should still win, imho.

The level of power increase over the course of DBZ is ridiculously inconsistent to the point it could be argued that some of them were stronger when the series began than ended were it not outright stated otherwise.

An example being Piccolo kerbewming the moon without issue, an insane feat, and one I can't recall him ever topping, actually. Later on most of the planet busting that happens actually seemed to take more effort than that.

Goku sans SS form while training for that afterlife tournament specifically struggled with 40 tons. shrug He's done better than that in Dragon Ball. haermm

There's just not enough consistency to the series to argue SS4 Vegeta can outdo SS3 Goku, and GT was noncanon anyway.
But... Nah, you have a good point.

Originally posted by Supra
No feats to back this argument up. All we ever see SS4 Vegeta geting the shit kicked out of him.

He's on the same level as SS4 Goku, who bit**-slapped Baby Vegeta, who bit**-slapped SS3 Goku.

Ergo SS4 >>>>>>>>>>>> SS3.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He's on the same level as SS4 Goku, who bit**-slapped Baby Vegeta, who bit**-slapped SS3 Goku.

Ergo SS4 >>>>>>>>>>>> SS3.

I guess that proves it

Goku loses.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It is and does.



And SS3 Goku wins because I hate GT and GT logic.

I like this logic.

The fact people are arguing for SSJ3 makes me sad. Very sad. Come the fvck on people. Seriously a 6 year old knows this.

Originally posted by Based
The fact people are arguing for SSJ3 makes me sad. Very sad. Come the fvck on people. Seriously a 6 year old knows this.

Are you this 6 year old?

So undeniably brave.

Originally posted by Based
So undeniably brave.

So yes? Either way Vegeta wins. It's about time he nets a "W" over Goku

Originally posted by juggerman
So yes? Either way Vegeta wins. It's about time he nets a "W" over Goku
I think I can override my hate for GT for facts/common sense to give ol Goku a loss.
vegeta FINALLY wins.

It would be an awesome fight that prolly would rival SSJ3 vs Buu.

Originally posted by Supra
It would be an awesome fight that prolly would rival SSJ3 vs Buu.
Most likely be more intense given the rivalry between the two and viciousness vegeta tends to have when he has the upper hand. SSJ4 being an upper hand.
Like the Majin vegeta VS goku fight on steroids.

SSJ4 Vegeta=SSJ4 Goku>>>GT-era SSJ3 Goku>>>>Z-era SSJ3 Goku.

Vegeta wins.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Most likely be more intense given the rivalry between the two and viciousness vegeta tends to have when he has the upper hand. SSJ4 being an upper hand.
Like the Majin vegeta VS goku fight on steroids.

It Vegeta could beat him, it would be a long drawn out intense fight like when they fought in Buu Saga. I dont think Vegeta would just over power him instantly. Goku is a master martial artist and a much better fighter then Vegeta. Over the z saga and GT, Goku trained much more than Vegeta and was always pushing himself to the next lvl.

Originally posted by Supra
It Vegeta could beat him, it would be a long drawn out intense fight like when they fought in Buu Saga. I dont think Vegeta would just over power him instantly. Goku is a master martial artist and a much better fighter then Vegeta. Over the z saga and GT, Goku trained much more than Vegeta and was always pushing himself to the next lvl.

Doesn't matter. SSJ4 Goku, the master martial artist, was getting his shit pushed in by Omega Shenron and Shenron wasn't overly skilled iirc. The difference in power between SSJ3 and SSJ4 is much larger than the difference between Goku and Shenron was imo

Originally posted by juggerman
Doesn't matter.

What doesn't matter?

Originally posted by Supra
What doesn't matter?

Goku being a "master martial artist" does not matter in the slightest

Originally posted by juggerman
Goku being a "master martial artist" does not matter in the slightest

Being easily in the Top 3 best fighters in the DBS universe I think it matters a lot. I dont think Vegeta even makes top 10.

With equal power levels as shown in their fight in the Buu arc, Vegeta and Goku are neck and neck in terms of fighting skill, and there's Vegeta's tenacity to consider as shown in the Saiyan Saga and the anime version of his stalling of Kid Buu

It's fine to use anime here since we're talking GT and all

Goku still has an edge with Instant Movement

But on topic, Vegeta slaughters Goku here since their power levels are...far from equal

Originally posted by Supra
Being easily in the Top 3 best fighters in the DBS universe I think it matters a lot. I dont think Vegeta even makes top 10.

It does not matter when this match up makes Vegeta this much stronger. Goku's attacks wouldn't even register to him. Look at Vegeta when he fought Fat Buu. Buu has absolutely zero skill and his power still easily overwhelmed Vegeta to the point where he had to be saved from being beaten to death. Now just imagine if their skill was equal but Buu was 10 times stronger. Goku's skill would mean dookie

Originally posted by juggerman
It does not matter when this match up makes Vegeta this much stronger. Goku's attacks wouldn't even register to him. Look at Vegeta when he fought Fat Buu. Buu has absolutely zero skill and his power still easily overwhelmed Vegeta to the point where he had to be saved from being beaten to death. Now just imagine if their skill was equal but Buu was 10 times stronger. Goku's skill would mean dookie

But where are the feats of SS4 Vegeta? He basically gets his ass kicked the whole series, and it was not even a real SS4 Transformation, it was a hacked transfomation. Goku's transformation was much stronger. And in GT goku fought a lot of people in kid form as SS3 as well. But going off adult Goku SS3 I still say it would be an intense battle

Why is this thread still going on? There is no fvcking way SSJ3 Goku can even make a freaking fight out of any SSJ4 character. Just stop it.

Originally posted by Based
Why is this thread still going on? There is no fvcking way SSJ3 Goku can even make a freaking fight out of any SSJ4 character. Just stop it.

Its a classic debate like the other 10,000 threads on here, if you dont like it dont be apart of it.

Originally posted by Supra
But where are the feats of SS4 Vegeta? He basically gets his ass kicked the whole series, and it was not even a real SS4 Transformation, it was a hacked transfomation. Goku's transformation was much stronger. And in GT goku fought a lot of people in kid form as SS3 as well. But going off adult Goku SS3 I still say it would be an intense battle

Are you suggesting that Vegeta would suddenly lose his fighting ability at SSJ4? He is equally as skilled as Goku and SSJ4 is proved much more powerful than SSJ3. Goku gets stomped

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you suggesting that Vegeta would suddenly lose his fighting ability at SSJ4? He is equally as skilled as Goku and SSJ4 is proved much more powerful than SSJ3. Goku gets stomped

I know Goku would lose, I just dont think it would be a TKO with one punch as you suggest. I think he could put up a damn good fight, after all he has been doing it his whole career everyone he fought was always stronger then him, yet he succeeded almost every time, he never gives up even in the face of death.

Originally posted by Supra
But where are the feats of SS4 Vegeta?

being able to fuse with Goku in the first place means he's equal to him

this is not hard to understand at all

SS4 Vegeta = Limits Surpassed SS4 Goku > Syn Shenron > Super Android 17 after absorbing the 10x kamehameha > Super Saiyan 4 Goku > Great Ape Baby Vegeta > Super Baby Vegeta 2 > Super Baby Vegeta 1 >>> Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku >>>> Super Saiyan 3 Z Goku

that is how the foodchain goes

this wouldn't be fight, it'd be an absolute slaughter

Originally posted by Crimson Dragoon
being able to fuse with Goku in the first place means he's equal to him

this is not hard to understand at all

SS4 Vegeta = Limits Surpassed SS4 Goku > Syn Shenron > Super Android 17 after absorbing the 10x kamehameha > Super Saiyan 4 Goku > Great Ape Baby Vegeta > Super Baby Vegeta 2 > Super Baby Vegeta 1 >>> Super Saiyan 3 GT Goku >>>> Super Saiyan 3 Z Goku

that is how the foodchain goes

this wouldn't be fight, it'd be an absolute slaughter

Now with that line up I can understand. Poor Goku

GT can suck a hairy ape cock for all i care, would probably have to do more with the original story anyways, not to mention a better logic...

Originally posted by Luffygear4
GT can suck a hairy ape cock for all i care, would probably have to do more with the original story anyways, not to mention a better logic...

Yes I agree with you

Originally posted by Supra
I know Goku would lose, I just dont think it would be a TKO with one punch as you suggest. I think he could put up a damn good fight, after all he has been doing it his whole career everyone he fought was always stronger then him, yet he succeeded almost every time, he never gives up even in the face of death.

Oh i don't think it would be one punch. I think Vegeta would savor his victory here. To me it would look like Piccolo vs 3rd Form Frieza. He's be completely out matched and wouldn't stand a chance. He wouldn't even break a sweat.

And Goku has never faced an opponent that outclassed him by such an amount in Z. Baby Vegeta would be a good measuring stick tho and we see how poorly SSJ3 Goku did against him

Originally posted by juggerman
Oh i don't think it would be one punch. I think Vegeta would savor his victory here. To me it would look like Piccolo vs 3rd Form Frieza. He's be completely out matched and wouldn't stand a chance. He wouldn't even break a sweat.

And Goku has never faced an opponent that outclassed him by such an amount in Z. Baby Vegeta would be a good measuring stick tho and we see how poorly SSJ3 Goku did against him \\

Didn't Baby Vegeta put up a pretty good fight against SS4 Goku as well?

Originally posted by Supra
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Didn't Baby Vegeta put up a pretty good fight against SS4 Goku as well?

Not until he transformed iirc.

This should be closed for spite.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
This should be closed for spite.

Goku is my fav superhero. I put him up against a stronger fighter cause that's what Goku always does. This is not a spite thread, you clearly dont understand Goku

No.

The difference between SSJ3 and SSJ4 is too vast for Goku to compensate with his plot-shielded shenanigans.

Goku usually gets help from all the z-fighters, the earth, the dead, even dragonballs when faced with odds like these.

He gets none of that shit here. He will simply get utterly destroyed by Vegeta. Just makes me wish this actually happened in the shows.

No what? Who cares if he loses, someone has to lose, thats what all these vs threads are.

No to the thought that this is not a one-sided spiteful beatdown.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
No to the thought that this is not a one-sided spiteful beatdown.

Nah Goku still puts up a good fight

nuhuh

Originally posted by Supra
Goku is my fav superhero. I put him up against a stronger fighter cause that's what Goku always does. This is not a spite thread, you clearly dont understand Goku

He may not understand Goku, but you don't understand the immense gap in power between SS3 & SS4 that makes it a stomp for Vegeta.

This fight would pretty much start off looking like this in my opinon P-35wlNNgd4 except I could see Vegeta letting him hit him square in the face then smirking and he wouldn't end it by a chop to the neck he would savor every blow he landed that sunk into Gokus body and treat him like a living punching bag while doing all he can to make Goku feel completely powerless despite all his training cause that's essentially what Vegeta's had to sit by and suffer through his whole life with Goku. The gap between SS3 and SS4 is big enough that training and skill won't effect anything, it's a whole other tier in general.

Vegeta finally gets the satisfaction he's always wanted

Originally posted by Yamcha
This fight would pretty much start off looking like this in my opinon P-35wlNNgd4 except I could see Vegeta letting him hit him square in the face then smirking and he wouldn't end it by a chop to the neck he would savor every blow he landed that sunk into Gokus body and treat him like a living punching bag while doing all he can to make Goku feel completely powerless despite all his training cause that's essentially what Vegeta's had to sit by and suffer through his whole life with Goku. The gap between SS3 and SS4 is big enough that training and skill won't effect anything, it's a whole other tier in general.

Vegeta finally gets the satisfaction he's always wanted

No sound? Fail!

Vegeta stomps. End this plz.

Ok I am done, good debate.

Vegeta Wins

Originally posted by Yamcha
This fight would pretty much start off looking like this in my opinon P-35wlNNgd4 except I could see Vegeta letting him hit him square in the face then smirking and he wouldn't end it by a chop to the neck he would savor every blow he landed that sunk into Gokus body and treat him like a living punching bag while doing all he can to make Goku feel completely powerless despite all his training cause that's essentially what Vegeta's had to sit by and suffer through his whole life with Goku. The gap between SS3 and SS4 is big enough that training and skill won't effect anything, it's a whole other tier in general.

Vegeta finally gets the satisfaction he's always wanted I wish it really happened T_T

Originally posted by Yamcha
This fight would pretty much start off looking like this in my opinon P-35wlNNgd4 except I could see Vegeta letting him hit him square in the face then smirking and he wouldn't end it by a chop to the neck he would savor every blow he landed that sunk into Gokus body and treat him like a living punching bag while doing all he can to make Goku feel completely powerless despite all his training cause that's essentially what Vegeta's had to sit by and suffer through his whole life with Goku. The gap between SS3 and SS4 is big enough that training and skill won't effect anything, it's a whole other tier in general.

Vegeta finally gets the satisfaction he's always wanted

Bills is awesome.

Owning Piccolo with chopsticks has got to be the most awesome ownage ever.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Owning Piccolo with chopsticks has got to be the most awesome ownage ever.

When did this happen?

its part of the Bills movie. I could find the short clip if you'd like. Or just go to the comics vs forum. I posted it on the character ownage thread.

Hahaha that was awesome