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Who wins?

nova could take him based on what i've seen of him lately, but i think fl would def take some wins.

Firelord wins. Just see his battles against surfer and thor.

fl has some good showings, no doubt, but he has some lesser ones as well. when ss was serious he pretty much pwn'd fl. i think this one is pretty close tbh. i was pretty impressed by nova's show against glads mostly due to his ability to absorb glad's heat vision. he was still about to lose but that absorption feat could serve him well here. i think a split is fair or maybe a slight edge one way or the other.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Firelord wins. Just see his battles against surfer and thor. You can't just look at certain showings and ignore others. You have to accept them all.

Originally posted by leonidas
fl has some good showings, no doubt, but he has some lesser ones as well. when ss was serious he pretty much pwn'd fl. i think this one is pretty close tbh. i was pretty impressed by nova's show against glads mostly due to his ability to absorb glad's heat vision. he was still about to lose but that absorption feat could serve him well here. i think a split is fair or maybe a slight edge one way or the other.
Firlord' showings against surfer and Thor are enough to convince me that he would beat nova. He has KOED surfer twice IIRC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't just look at certain showings and ignore others. You have to accept them all. even against spider-man?

Nova (with full nova force) has already beaten Kril and Airwalker at the same time. Isn't that right guy?

Originally posted by dmills
Nova (with full nova force) has already beaten Kril and Airwalker at the same time. Isn't that right guy?
Supernova doesn't count.

uhuh

Originally posted by psycho gundam
even against spider-man? Yes. Absolutely.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Firlord' showings against surfer and Thor are enough to convince me that he would beat nova. He has KOED surfer twice IIRC. You can't cherry pick.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Supernova doesn't count.

uhuh

I'm talking about Rich sneer

Originally posted by dmills
I'm talking about Rich sneer

really? where was this?

Originally posted by leonidas
really? where was this?

Years ago. Richard was amped up by the full "primal Nova Force" and was slapping Firelord and Airwalker around. It was just a quick skirmish, but I like to tease guy about it whenever this topic pops up since Firelord is his favorite character lol.

Isn't SM V FL considered pis of the highest order on this site? I mean it's literally like the example of what KMC considers as being PIS as laid out by digi iirc.

Originally posted by dmills
I'm talking about Rich sneer
Never happened.

uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Never happened.

uhuh

Yep http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/rude/1/flipping-off.gif

Originally posted by dmills
Years ago. Richard was amped up by the full "primal Nova Force" and was slapping Firelord and Airwalker around. It was just a quick skirmish, but I like to tease guy about it whenever this topic pops up since Firelord is his favorite character lol.

Guy likes Firelord?

I figured Johnny Blaze was his favorite character.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Guy likes Firelord?

I figured Johnny Blaze was his favorite character.

Yeah. He's a Kril fan.

Originally posted by dmills
Yep http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/rude/1/flipping-off.gif
Nova loses. Accept it and move on.

biscuits

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nova loses. Accept it and move on.

biscuits

Ye sir













































http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/picsay-1326094995.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1312320133950.jpg

http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/Nova%20CQB%20protocols/1312320148560.jpg

Non-canon.

Nice try.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Non-canon.

Nice try.

See now this is why you're my fav all time E/buddy. Trolling me like this to get a rise out of me and get me out of my KMC slump

Originally posted by dmills
See now this is why you're my fav all time E/buddy. Trolling me like this to get a rise out of me and get me out of my KMC slump
Glad to be able to help. On a serious note has rich done anything this impressive?

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15980894_SS_v3_146_16a.jpg
People forget just how powerful kril is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Glad to be able to help. On a serious note has rich done anything this impressive?

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15980894_SS_v3_146_16a.jpg
People forget just how powerful kril is.

From that one scan it looks as though he has Norrin dead to rights. What followed abhi?

Word

Originally posted by dmills
From that one scan it looks as though he has Norrin dead to rights. What followed abhi?

Word
He was about to drain surfer when the culprit he was following pleaded to him. He also knocked surfer out in Infinity Crusade IIRC.

Here he again gains an upper hand on surfer untill surfer went all out.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15981088_SS_v3_083_06b.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15981097_SS_v3_083_07a.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here he again gains an upper hand on surfer untill surfer went all out.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15981088_SS_v3_083_06b.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15981097_SS_v3_083_07a.jpg So your proof is an all out Surfer easily showing superiority ?

There's a lot of missing information and context with those scans. Maybe if I'm not lazy I'll post them.

Originally posted by vince_slice
There's a lot of missing information and context with those scans. Maybe if I'm not lazy I'll post them.

Sup vince?

Please do the honors...

Originally posted by vince_slice
There's a lot of missing information and context with those scans. Maybe if I'm not lazy I'll post them. Shocking.

Originally posted by vince_slice
There's a lot of missing information and context with those scans. Maybe if I'm not lazy I'll post them.
Please do.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has KOED surfer twice IIRC.

I'm going to assume that you're claiming Surfer was knocked out in the two instances you posted. This obviously never happened.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Glad to be able to help. On a serious note has rich done anything this impressive?

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/15980894_SS_v3_146_16a.jpg
People forget just how powerful kril is.

Surfer wasn't knocked out at all. Firelord was arguing with Surfer while pinning him on the ground. Why speak to someone if they're unconscious?

And the very next page shows Surfer immediately on his feet talking to Firlord... This doesn't resemble anything like a KO.
http://i42.tinypic.com/e7gml0.jpg

Also, you neglected to mention that Surfer let his guard down to offer Firelord his hand in a truce to stop fighting. That's when Firelord blasted him. IOW, Surfer was cheap shotted by Firelord while trying to offer him peace. *Cough missing context.

Here's your missing scans in order:
http://i42.tinypic.com/343pwl5.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zyhiso.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2r7rbqb.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/e7gml0.jpg

Viewed in full context, it resembles nothing like a KO.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here he again gains an upper hand on surfer untill surfer went all out.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15981088_SS_v3_083_06b.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15981097_SS_v3_083_07a.jpg

Surfer's not knocked out in this scan either. In the scan, he's even still conscious and talking to Firelord while laying down.

While Firelord was about to try to finish him, Surfer even thinks back about Shalla-Bal, before he gets up to beat Firelord up. I don't feel like posting scans of that, it's just Surfer remembering the time he got laid with Shalla-Bal, which rejuvenates his fighting spirit . If he was unconscious, I doubt any of this reminiscing would be possible.

But we all know how that fight ends... With Surfer floating over Firelord's limp unconscious body. This is a real knock out, and its Firelord who's unconscious, not Surfer.
http://i40.tinypic.com/971mi0.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/31455wi.jpg

Originally posted by vince_slice
I'm going to assume that you're claiming Surfer was knocked out in the two instances you posted. This obviously never happened.


Surfer wasn't knocked out at all. Firelord was arguing with Surfer while pinning him on the ground. Why speak to someone if they're unconscious?

And the very next page shows Surfer immediately on his feet talking to Firlord... This doesn't resemble anything like a KO.
http://i42.tinypic.com/e7gml0.jpg

Also, you neglected to mention that Surfer let his guard down to offer Firelord his hand in a truce to stop fighting. That's when Firelord blasted him. IOW, Surfer was cheap shotted by Firelord while trying to offer him peace. *Cough missing context.

Here's your missing scans in order:
http://i42.tinypic.com/343pwl5.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zyhiso.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2r7rbqb.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/e7gml0.jpg

Viewed in full context, it resembles nothing like a KO.



Surfer's not knocked out in this scan either. In the scan, he's even still conscious and talking to Firelord while laying down.

While Firelord was about to try to finish him, Surfer even thinks back about Shalla-Bal, before he gets up to beat Firelord up. I don't feel like posting scans of that, it's just Surfer remembering the time he got laid with Shalla-Bal, which rejuvenates his fighting spirit . If he was unconscious, I doubt any of this reminiscing would be possible.

But we all know how that fight ends... With Surfer floating over Firelord's limp unconscious body. This is a real knock out, and its Firelord who's unconscious, not Surfer.
http://i40.tinypic.com/971mi0.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/31455wi.jpg Doesnt this always happen to abhi ?

Firelord wins, IMO.

Originally posted by vince_slice
I'm going to assume that you're claiming Surfer was knocked out in the two instances you posted. This obviously never happened.


Surfer wasn't knocked out at all. Firelord was arguing with Surfer while pinning him on the ground. Why speak to someone if they're unconscious?

And the very next page shows Surfer immediately on his feet talking to Firlord... This doesn't resemble anything like a KO.
http://i42.tinypic.com/e7gml0.jpg

Also, you neglected to mention that Surfer let his guard down to offer Firelord his hand in a truce to stop fighting. That's when Firelord blasted him. IOW, Surfer was cheap shotted by Firelord while trying to offer him peace. *Cough missing context.

Here's your missing scans in order:
http://i42.tinypic.com/343pwl5.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2zyhiso.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2r7rbqb.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/e7gml0.jpg

Viewed in full context, it resembles nothing like a KO.



Surfer's not knocked out in this scan either. In the scan, he's even still conscious and talking to Firelord while laying down.

While Firelord was about to try to finish him, Surfer even thinks back about Shalla-Bal, before he gets up to beat Firelord up. I don't feel like posting scans of that, it's just Surfer remembering the time he got laid with Shalla-Bal, which rejuvenates his fighting spirit . If he was unconscious, I doubt any of this reminiscing would be possible.

But we all know how that fight ends... With Surfer floating over Firelord's limp unconscious body. This is a real knock out, and its Firelord who's unconscious, not Surfer.
http://i40.tinypic.com/971mi0.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/31455wi.jpg
First of all I never said surfer was knocked out. He had the upper hand on surfer though. Read carefully next time, "Here he again gains an upper hand on surfer untill surfer went all out". I admitted in that very post that surfer beat Firelord when he went all out. Although I laughed at attacking someone at the face being a cheapshot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was about to drain surfer when the culprit he was following pleaded to him. He also knocked surfer out in Infinity Crusade IIRC. Originally posted by abhilegend
First of all I never said surfer was knocked out. He had the upper hand on surfer though. Read carefully next time, "Here he again gains an upper hand on surfer untill surfer went all out". I admitted in that very post that surfer beat Firelord when he went all out. Although I laughed at attacking someone at the face being a cheapshot.

Obviously IIRC means "absolutely sure".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously IIRC means "absolutely sure". You said you never said it. Do you not know what never means ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Although I laughed at attacking someone at the face being a cheapshot.

It's actually pretty possible to get sucker-punched even when you're face-to-face with your opponent. IMO, that scan does kinda look like a cheapshot or at least an attack at someone who wasn't ready or was not trying to defend himself.

Firelord wins, tho.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It's actually pretty possible to get sucker-punched even when you're face-to-face with your opponent. IMO, that scan does kinda look like a cheapshot or at least an attack at someone who wasn't ready or was not trying to defend himself.

Firelord wins, tho. I agree.

Originally posted by abhilegend
First of all I never said surfer was knocked out. He had the upper hand on surfer though. Read carefully next time, "Here he again gains an upper hand on surfer untill surfer went all out". I admitted in that very post that surfer beat Firelord when he went all out.
So I gather we agree they weren't knock outs? Good.



If you offer to shake my hand in peace, and I answer by punching you in the face, wouldn't you consider that a cheap shot? That's pretty much what happened to Surfer, except he got blasted instead of punched.

Originally posted by vince_slice
So I gather we agree they weren't knock outs? Good. Yeah, they were not knock outs.



Ok. I still disagree though. To each his own I guess.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, they were not knock outs.



Ok. I still disagree though. To each his own I guess. So you're saying you can't be cheap shotted while looking ahead ? Honestly ?

I remember reading Annihilation and IIRC it was made explicitly clear that Galactus' Heralds (Firelord, Stardust etc.) were the big guns and beyond Nova Prime in power. Not as bad as his encounter with Surfer (Norrin was just in a different tier based on what I got from that comic) but still an inferiority existed.

At the end there, Richard had a hell of a run, stockpiled some nice feats and had a lot of respect. Frankly I'd bet money on him taking Firelord but in terms of relative power it would be an underdog victory of smarts/skills trumping sheer raw power.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I remember reading Annihilation and IIRC it was made explicitly clear that Galactus' Heralds (Firelord, Stardust etc.) were the big guns and beyond Nova Prime in power. Not as bad as his encounter with Surfer (Norrin was just in a different tier based on what I got from that comic) but still an inferiority.

At the end there, Richard had a hell of a run, stockpiled some nice feats and had a lot of respect. Frankly I'd beat money on him taking Firelord but in terms of relative power it would be an underdog victory of smarts/skills trumping sheer raw power.

I agree with this. Firelord is more powerful but it's Rich's smarts, skills and combat savvy that would give him a win.

He won't get stomped and it'd be a good fight, but I say Firelord 7/10.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I remember reading Annihilation and IIRC it was made explicitly clear that Galactus' Heralds (Firelord, Stardust etc.) were the big guns and beyond Nova Prime in power. Not as bad as his encounter with Surfer (Norrin was just in a different tier based on what I got from that comic) but still an inferiority existed.

At the end there, Richard had a hell of a run, stockpiled some nice feats and had a lot of respect. Frankly I'd bet money on him taking Firelord but in terms of relative power it would be an underdog victory of smarts/skills trumping sheer raw power.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I remember reading Annihilation and IIRC it was made explicitly clear that Galactus' Heralds (Firelord, Stardust etc.) were the big guns and beyond Nova Prime in power. Not as bad as his encounter with Surfer (Norrin was just in a different tier based on what I got from that comic) but still an inferiority existed.

At the end there, Richard had a hell of a run, stockpiled some nice feats and had a lot of respect. Frankly I'd bet money on him taking Firelord but in terms of relative power it would be an underdog victory of smarts/skills trumping sheer raw power.

I respect everything that you said. However (Yeah I'm about to put on my Nova shades here) we also can't discount the fact that the Nova Force (in totality) has been shown to be a good deal superior in power to what Kril brings to the table as both Supernova and later, Richard demonstrated in direct confrontations with Firelord.

So yes, it was implicated (I believe by Starlord if I'm not mistaken) in Annihilation that the heralds were the big guns, if we look at what actually transpired on panel it paints a slightly different picture. Iirc Firelord exhausted himself in a fight with a Queen bug. Richard exhausted himself fighting Annihilus. Redshift and Stardust were "killed" by a planetary level blast. Nova survived the Galactus solar system buster. He also later survived the planetary level energies of the Galactus feeding tube situation. Now obviously the circumstances were slightly different, but the levels of power involved were not.

One more thing about what transpired in the starlost arc when Nova came into possession of the full Nova force and fought Firelord. It is very possible that the entire concept of the Nova corps, the Worldmind and the Nova force itself were revised almost entirely for Annihilation and beyond. Now, I've not read anything that explicitly suggest that this was the case, but it's certainly plausible given the seeming disparate levels of power between what Richard and Garthan Saal displayed then vs what Richard showed during his recent run. But I digress.

So yes, what you said is generally correct. However it also wouldn't be shocking if Nova let loose a massive blast that knocked Firelord out cold either.