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Luke slightly waves his hand and at least two opponents get choked out in a few seconds. Screen feats, ain't they a ***** sometimes.

Originally posted by Robtard
Luke slightly waves his hand and at least two opponents get choked out in a few seconds. Screen feats, ain't they a ***** sometimes. What makes you think he can choke superior warriors out with the same ease ?

Can they somehow flex their esophagus, making it harder to choke?

Star Wars wins via telekinesis

Can we please just end the thread on this page and not the 60th.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Can they somehow flex their esophagus, making it harder to choke? They can shoot him. That's for sure.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Star Wars wins via telekinesis

Can we please just end the thread on this page and not the 60th. Trek wins. Khan hunts them down. Spock and Nero beat them down too if need be.

LOL

The Star Trek team's odds of winning

Originally posted by quanchi112
They can shoot him. That's for sure.
If only luke had some sort of melee weapon he could use to deflect shots... wait a minute.

Originally posted by Lestov16
LOL

The Star Trek team's odds of winning False.

Why?

I believe the argument is that the uber-gun was firing ship-destroying blasts, which the lightsaber surely can't block. Thing is, it doesn't matter since the uber-gun can be TK-ripped out of his hand, or the STers can be Force-choked, or some other telekinetic defense.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Why? You obviously haven't seen the film.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I believe the argument is that the uber-gun was firing ship-destroying blasts, which the lightsaber surely can't block. Thing is, it doesn't matter since the uber-gun can be TK-ripped out of his hand, or the STers can be Force-choked, or some other telekinetic defense. Did not work that way in the movies. Jedi have to even block shitty droid fire. Khan is the proven Jedi killer.

Which film? The one where lightsabers blocked lasers and cut through blast doors that were supposed to be impenetrable? Yes I did.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Which film? The one where lightsabers blocked lasers and cut through blast doors that were supposed to be impenetrable? Yes I did. Into Darkness, noob.

He shot at a landed shuttle. The shields were down and he got the jump on the Klingons. What laser has the lightsaber failed to block?

Even so, I doubt a blast that can a destroy a Klingon ship can be blocked by a lightsaber. Not saying I think SW lose here, but Quan's argument about the lightsaber not being able to block the blast does indeed have some merit to it.

Love Star Trek.. Love Star Wars, anyone got a problem with it I don;t care,,

anyway force choke ftw

Originally posted by Robtard
Luke slightly waves his hand and at least two opponents get choked out in a few seconds. Screen feats, ain't they a ***** sometimes.

I was going to say Team Riddick as they are clearly the better stalkers, hunters, and wilderness survivalists (especially Riddick).

However...your argument...is just too strong. Riddick could probably work around choking for a while (maybe even kill someone or 4). But he'd eventually pass out just like anyone else.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
He shot at a landed shuttle. The shields were down and he got the jump on the Klingons. What laser has the lightsaber failed to block? Different power and different size of blasts. Khan owns.

Originally posted by Robtard
Luke slightly waves his hand and at least two opponents get choked out in a few seconds. Screen feats, ain't they a ***** sometimes. Word up, nig.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Word up, nig. He is wrong.

I will say SW 8/10

I'll give ST 2/10 that they can get off a Klingon-ship-destroying-blast

Originally posted by Lestov16
I will say SW 8/10

I'll give ST 2/10 that they can get off a Klingon-ship-destroying-blast What makes you think he can't get off a shot every single time based on the characters and the movies here ?

The fact that Luke and Obi Wan have the reflexes to block blaster bolts, which Khan's reflexes, even if superhuman, are inferior to.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The fact that Luke and Obi Wan have the reflexes to block blaster bolts, which Khan's reflexes, even if superhuman, are inferior to. So deflecting means he fires the blast so you agree with me. If inferior opponents can blast at them why can't Khan ?


I also think Khan is superior to them, genetic superman.

Force speed blitz makes them very hard to hit.

Light saber throw can hit and kill.

The Force will disarm Khan. They'll literally rip the gun from his hands.

Originally posted by Impediment
Force speed blitz makes them very hard to hit.

Light saber throw can hit and kill.

The Force will disarm Khan. They'll literally rip the gun from his hands. Jango still killed one and shot in the general vicinity of Obi.


Yes, but its far slower and has to be in close range. Light sabers can also be broken ala Vader in AOTC against inferior opponents.


No, if it were that easy Windu would have just disarmed Jango. Not that easy especially when against a skilled user in combat. Windu is also far greater than Obi. Obi didn't do it either.

I don't think any Jedi or Sith can beat Khan. Khan is too smart, too tactical, too skilled, and has the firepower to easily down a squad of Klingons.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What makes you think he can choke superior warriors out with the same ease ? Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Can they somehow flex their esophagus, making it harder to choke?

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
They can shoot him while they are choking. I guess strength means nothing iyo.

Prove that they can shoot while being choked.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They can shoot him while they are choking. I guess strength means nothing iyo.

Prove it. Show me Khan being choked and still being able to fire a weapon

Originally posted by Silent Master
Prove that they can shoot while being choked. The force does not exist so quit asking for trollish proof.

Originally posted by juggerman
Prove it. Show me Khan being choked and still being able to fire a weapon We see people all the time stab or fire a gun while being choked. He is also far superior to man.

Back up your claim, show examples of them shooting while being choked.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Back up your claim, show examples of them shooting while being choked.

Originally posted by juggerman
Already stated. If you don't think it's possible you live in a bubble.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Back up your claim, show examples of them shooting while being choked. Force doesn't exist in Trek. Quit being a troll. It's why no one takes you seriously.

You haven't backed up your claim yet.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Force doesn't exist in Trek. Quit being a troll. It's why no one takes you seriously.

No one said it did. You've failed yet again. Back your claim

Originally posted by Silent Master
You haven't backed up your claim yet. Yes, I have.

Originally posted by juggerman
No one said it did. You've failed yet again. Back your claim Are you saying its I possible to do something while being choked ?

You have posted no clips of them shooting while being choked, therefore you haven't backed up your claim.

Now, back up your claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you saying its I possible to do something while being choked ?

Prove these guns in the Star Trek universe can be accurately fired or fired at all while the user is being strangled

Khan is not a demigod and is not unkillable.

And, yes, I saw Into Darkness. Khan is good, but not omnipotent.

The Jedi will use the Force to remove his weapon and then speed blitz with saber attacks. Sabers can cut through Khan, even if some think that he is invulnerable.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You have posted no clips of them shooting while being choked, therefore you haven't backed up your claim.

Now, back up your claim. You seem to think its impossible to,fight back while being choked. Amusing. I backed it.

Originally posted by juggerman
Prove these guns in the Star Trek universe can be accurately fired or fired at all while the user is being strangled Do you think it's impossible to fire a gun while being choked ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do you think it's impossible to fire a gun while being choked ?

Do you have this proof?

You claimed that they could fire while being choked, so start providing examples of them doing so.

Originally posted by juggerman
Do you have this proof? We have seen it many times before. It is also an immediate reaction to do something so it isn't unlikely to pull a trigger on a gun your are holding.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You claimed that they could fire while being choked, so start providing examples of them doing so. Force doesn't exist in Star Trek. Quit being dense.

You still haven't posted any examples of them shooting while being choked.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You still haven't posted any examples of them shooting while being choked. You never post any examples of your claims. Hypocrite. Khan blows him away.

Except, you still haven't posted any proof that he can shoot while being choked.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Can they somehow flex their esophagus, making it harder to choke?



Yeah, Quanchi is ridiculous.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Word up, nig.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was going to say Team Riddick as they are clearly the better stalkers, hunters, and wilderness survivalists (especially Riddick).

However...your argument...is just too strong. Riddick could probably work around choking for a while (maybe even kill someone or 4). But he'd eventually pass out just like anyone else.

Originally posted by Robtard


Yeah, Quanchi is ridiculous.





Prove Luke can ko Khan. You act like Hes just like everyone else. He's a superman, remember.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove Luke can ko Khan. You act like Hes just like everyone else. He's a superman, remember.

In other words: "Prove Khan needs blood and oxygen flowing to his brain to function!" - you

Do you ever read back and see how ridiculously clownish your arguments are?

Originally posted by Robtard
In other words: "Prove Khan needs blood and oxygen flowing to his brain to function!" - you

Do you ever read back and see how ridiculously clownish your arguments are? Prove he can't push the trigger when anyone can fight back when being choked initially least of all someone vastly superior to mankind.

You made the claim, that means the burden is on you...so start posting examples of him shooting while being choked.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove he can't push the trigger when anyone can fight back when being choked initially least of all someone vastly superior to mankind.

I have proof (EP6) of Luke choking out two very large opponents in a matter of seconds and they couldn't do much of anything except pass out.

You're making the claim that Khan can disregard being choked (brain deprived of blood/oxygen) and go about his business of fighting; that's your claim to prove.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You made the claim, that means the burden is on you...so start posting examples of him shooting while being choked. You never back your claims so its hypocritical of you to ask for something you never do.

Nice try, but you still haven't posted any clips of him shooting while being choked.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nice try, but you still haven't posted any clips of him shooting while being choked. You don't back your claims so nice try but you failed. Khan blasts him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't back your claims so nice try but you failed. Khan blasts him.

Two words:

Bull and shit.

As I said before:

Khan is not a demigod and is not unkillable.

And, yes, I saw Into Darkness. Khan is good, but not omnipotent.

The Jedi will use the Force to remove his weapon and then speed blitz with saber attacks. Sabers can cut through Khan, even if some think that he is invulnerable.

Don't hold back just because I'm your mod, Quanchi. I want to be involved just like everyone else. Give me your best shot, babe. It's all in good fun.

I see that quan still hasn't backed up his claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see that quan still hasn't backed up his claim. You never do.

You're the one that made the claim, so start providing proof.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're the one that made the claim, so start providing proof. You have done so plenty of times. Cry about it.

Poor little quan is having a meltdown because he can't back up his claim.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Poor little quan is having a meltdown because he can't back up his claim. No, I'm not. You never back your claims though so why should I ? Lol.

I'm claiming that you can't provide any clips of them shooting while being choked and my proof is your last several posts. There, I just provided proof to back up one of my claims.

You lose, again.

Originally posted by Robtard
I have proof (EP6) of Luke choking out two very large opponents in a matter of seconds and they couldn't do much of anything except pass out.

You're making the claim that Khan can disregard being choked (brain deprived of blood/oxygen) and go about his business of fighting; that's your claim to prove. So large opponents are >> Khan iyo ? Is this what you are saying ?

Khan destroys him while being choked. We still don't know if he needs oxygen ether based on the dialogue.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm claiming that you can't provide any clips of them shooting while being choked and my proof is your last several posts. There, I just provided proof to back up one of my claims.

You lose, again. It isn't out of the realm of possibility since normal people can do so. Point proven, trollio.

You still haven't provided proof that he can shoot while being choked.

You lose, again.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You still haven't provided proof that he can shoot while being choked.

You lose, again. Already been addressed. You concede.

I want proof how Kahn wins after being disarmed via his weapon being removed by the Force.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
being the best, strongest, etc doesn't mean anything.. force choke, force push is all the jedi need here.. heck them using their lightsabers is spite

quan is having a meltdown because he can't back up his claim about them being able to shoot while being choked.

Quan actually made a pretty solid point stating thst kahn doesn't need to breathe. He probably wouldn't be as panicked or lightheaded as breather being chocked. Still don't see a counter for the whole disarming though...

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Quan actually made a pretty solid point stating thst kahn doesn't need to breathe. He probably wouldn't be as panicked or lightheaded as breather being chocked. Still don't see a counter for the whole disarming though...

Show a clip of Khan not needing to breathe.

In the movie khan uses this fact against people who have studied his physiology.(I don't know how to post clips on my phone...) I think its a pretty safe bet that choking wouldn't do much more than surprise him

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
In the movie khan uses this fact against people who have studied his physiology.(I don't know how to post clips on my phone...) I think its a pretty safe bet that choking wouldn't do much more than surprise him

I hope you aren't talking about the comment he made about his crew, because they were in stasis at the time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So large opponents are >> Khan iyo ? Is this what you are saying ?

Khan destroys him while being choked. We still don't know if he needs oxygen ether based on the dialogue.

My proof is in Ep6 where Luke effortlessly choked out two Gamorrean guards in a matter of seconds. This is a fact and can not be argued.

And where's your proof that Khan can go on fighting when he's being choked (his brain deprived of blood/oxygen), show be some solid evidence?

Back to that clown tactic of "Khan doesn't need to breathe!", eh. You're terrible with obvious context.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
being the best, strongest, etc doesn't mean anything.. force choke, force push is all the jedi need here.. heck them using their lightsabers is spite That is completely untrue. I suggest watching order 66 over again if you disagree.

Originally posted by Impediment
I want proof how Kahn wins after being disarmed via his weapon being removed by the Force. You made the claim. What skilled opponent has a Jedi disarmed by easily using the force.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I hope you aren't talking about the comment he made about his crew, because they were in stasis at the time. If you believe my stance is incorrect prove it.

Originally posted by Robtard
My proof is in Ep6 where Luke effortlessly choked out two Gamorrean guards in a matter of seconds. This is a fact and can not be argued.

And where's your proof that Khan can go on fighting when he's being choked (his brain deprived of blood/oxygen), show be some solid evidence? Back to that clown tactic of "Khan doesn't need to breathe!", eh. They aren't Khan. I guess your back to the Riddick killed a bum type of arguments with a teacup and assuming he does so against anyone.

I cited the evidence before. No need in doing so again, kiddo.

When did I concede the point ?

Khan doesn't need to breathe nor is your example comparable to Khan.

IOW, I was right, you can't provide any proof to back up your claim. Thank you for admitting that I was right.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They aren't Khan. I guess your back to the Riddick killed a bum type of arguments with a teacup and assuming he does so against anyone.

I cited the evidence before. No need in doing so again, kiddo.

When did I concede the point ?

Khan doesn't need to breathe nor is your example comparable to Khan.

More strawmen.

Incorrect. Me citing film feats from Ep6 is citing evidence. You ignoring obvious context cos you want your favorite to win isn't evidence.

WTF are you on about now. "Concession accepted" is your staple clown move.

Yup. Clown flips and worst, the same clown flips we've done already. Boring. "Khan doesn't need to breathe!" Cry more cos you lost already, little baby.

How did he lose? Granted, he's nowhere near winning, but you haven't really addressed the doesn't need to brearhe statement.

Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, I was right, you can't provide any proof to back up your claim. Thank you for admitting that I was right. You made the claim. Prove it.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
How did he lose? Granted, he's nowhere near winning, but you haven't really addressed the doesn't need to brearhe statement.

The statement that was made about his crew, while they were in stasis?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You made the claim. Prove it.

You claimed that they could shoot while being choked, so where is the proof?

"In the vacuum, I will step over your cold lifeless corpses... lets begin"

I might be paraphrasing, but he did say he didn't need to breathe.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The statement that was made about his crew, while they were in stasis? Lol.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You claimed that they could shoot while being choked, so where is the proof? Already proved it, kiddo.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
"In the vacuum, I will step over your cold lifeless corpses... lets begin"

I might be paraphrasing, but he did say he didn't need to breathe. In sm's defense he doesn't watch movies. It isn't on YouTube yet so he's doing his best to keep up.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
"In the vacuum, I will step over your cold lifeless corpses... lets begin"

I might be paraphrasing, but he did say he didn't need to breathe.

How does that prove that he doesn't need to breathe?

quan, stop lying. You have posted no proof that they can shoot while being choked.

The people who performed medical tests on him bought it...

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The people who performed medical tests on him bought it...


Bought what?

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
"In the vacuum, I will step over your cold lifeless corpses... lets begin"

I might be paraphrasing, but he did say he didn't need to breathe.

He was obviously referring to his crew who were safely tucked away in stasis tubes and adding some menacing flair.

The exact quote.

"Your crew requires oxygen to survive, mine does not. I will target your life support systems located behind the aft nacelle. And after every single person aboard your ship suffocates, I will walk over your cold corpses to recover my people. Now, shall we begin?" -Khan

Originally posted by Silent Master
quan, stop lying. You have posted no proof that they can shoot while being choked. Yes, I have. Please stop lying.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
The people who performed medical tests on him bought it... Robbie and Sm hate all things Star Trek related. What's worse is Rob claimed to be a fan but quickly shit all over the Trek universe. No loyalty.

quan is having a meltdown because he can't prove that they can shoot while being choked.

So he can walk over their bodies in a vacuum. That was kinda my point.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Robbie and Sm hate all things Star Trek related. What's worse is Rob claimed to be a fan but quickly shit all over the Trek universe. No loyalty.

Quanchi having to resort to lies and personal attacks cos he failed to prove his case again. Nothing new

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
So he can walk over their bodies in a vacuum. That was kinda my point.

Right, so you're saying that him not mentioning a spacesuit means that he wouldn't need one and thus the statement is proof that he doesn't need to breathe?

Originally posted by Silent Master
quan is having a meltdown because he can't prove that they can shoot while being choked. I already proved it. Quit lying.

Originally posted by Robtard
Quanchi having to resort to lies and personal attacks cos he failed to prove his case again. Nothing new No, you resort to personal attacks and want to pretend the dialogue doesn't count when it suits your anti Star Trek bias.

I love Trek unlike you, traitor.

Everyone knows that you're lying, seeing as you've posted zero feats to back up your claim.

Awww forgot about the spacesuit. Yeah, kahn dies then.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Right, so you're saying that him not mentioning a spacesuit means that he wouldn't need one and thus the statement is proof that he doesn't need to breathe? Calm down.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Awww forgot about the spacesuit. Yeah, kahn dies then.



See, this is the proper way to debate if you're obviously incorrect about something. Admit and move on with grace and style.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Awww forgot about the spacesuit. Yeah, kahn dies then. What about the spacesuit ? Do I need to correct you.

Originally posted by Robtard


See, this is the proper way to debate if you're obviously incorrect about something. Admit and move on with grace and style. Irony.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What about the spacesuit ? Do I need to correct you.
Please do.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Please do. He wore it so they could pinpoint the access point into the ship. When Kirks visor screen went down he was a goner until Khan saved him.

In space=vacuum. If it provides air for kirk, then kahn should have no problem taking a stroll in it.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
In space=vacuum. If it provides air for kirk, then kahn should have no problem taking a stroll in it. Did you not read what I just said ?

Yeah. Kirk needed the suit to survive in space, kahn's suit was fine, ergo, he could use it to get back to the enterprise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Irony.

You're trying too hard again

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Yeah. Kirk needed the suit to survive in space, kahn's suit was fine, ergo, he could use it to get back to the enterprise. He needed to use it to pinpoint location. That's why. Not for breathing IMO.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're trying too hard again Irony is always lost on you.

So kirk can breathe in space, or did they whip up a custom suit in the five minutes it took him to come up with the plan?

Quanchi's clown flips is that Khan didn't need the space suit to breathe in space. *honk* *honk*

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
So kirk can breathe in space, or did they whip up a custom suit in the five minutes it took him to come up with the plan? They both put on same suits for visors. Kirk needs to breathe not Khan. Superior.

Originally posted by Robtard
Quanchi's clown flips is that Khan didn't need the space suit to breathe in space. *honk* *honk* It isn't just breathing in space though which can kill you. Also needed visor, wifeslave.

Why not? If he used a suit to get to one ship, he could easily get back with a transporter with a suit on if there was no air.

I see that quan still hasn't posted any proof that they can shoot while being choked.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't just breathing in space though which can kill you. Also needed visor, wifeslave.

Incoherent rage post. Fix it. But it seems you're saying the vacuum of space can kill you.

More jealousy cos I can get a woman. Should I be flattered.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Why not? If he used a suit to get to one ship, he could easily get back with a transporter with a suit on if there was no air. Oxygen isn't only problem for just flesh in space. Needed visor, kiddo.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see that quan still hasn't posted any proof that they can shoot while being choked. Already proven.

Originally posted by Robtard
Incoherent rage post. Fix it. But it seems you're saying the vacuum of space can kill you.

More jealousy cos I can get a woman. Should I be flattered. calm down. iPad.

Khan needed the visor to pinpoint the location.


No, no. She uses you as her slave. She bosses you around.

... k. But it DOES provide oxygen, right?

Yep, quan still hasn't posted any proof that they can shoot while being choked.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
... k. But it DOES provide oxygen, right? Why wouldn't it ?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yep, quan still hasn't posted any proof that they can shoot while being choked. Already proven.

Stop lying quan, everyone in this thread knows that you haven't posted any proof yet.

Then if his crew is in stasis pods and khan has a space suit, then their is no reason why he should be no reason we should assume he can breathe in space.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Stop lying quan, everyone in this thread knows that you haven't posted any proof yet. Everyone knows I have.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Then if his crew is in stasis pods and khan has a space suit, then their is no reason why he should be no reason we should assume he can breathe in space. Clean up your sentence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Everyone knows I have.

Provide quotes from everyone in this thread stating that they agree with you.