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Lee (Bruce Lee from Enter the Dragon) vs Khan (Into Darkness).

The super soldier serum from Captain America: The First Avenger has been administered to Lee; he is now a martial arts super soldier.

Khan is at full health.

Neither have knowledge of each other.

Fight takes place in Emperor Palpatine's throne room on the Death Star II from ROTJ. Both start 50 feet apart.

Hand to hand, to the death.

Bloodlusted with no CIS.

Who wins?

"IMPEDIMENT!! Y U MAKE MORE KHAN THREADS?!"

I know. I couldn't resist.

Bruce Lee.


He was already faster and more agile in his movie.

In fact, I think you'd only need regular "Enter the Dragon" Bruce Lee to take out Khan.

Given the skill Lee shows in the movie; Only two types of people would give Khan the win 1) Someone that hasn't seen Enter the Dragon or 2) A troll

Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Someone that hasn't seen Enter the Dragon

What type of degenerate assclown is this?

Originally posted by Robtard
What type of degenerate assclown is this?
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Originally posted by Robtard
What type of degenerate assclown is this?

The kind that has 12 posters of Van Zan and Khan on every wall in his apartment.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The kind that has 12 posters of Van Zan and Khan on every wall in his apartment.

Did he say, "Kneel before Quan" whilst you were in his apartment?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Did he say, "Kneel before Quan" whilst you were in his apartment?

Never been, was told about it by a friend that volunteers at meals on wheels.

I am detecting much hate on this thread

Originally posted by COG Veteran
I am detecting much hate on this thread

no that comes later.

we have to wait for a certain ipad to charge up.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
no that comes later.

we have to wait for a certain ipad to charge up.

True, all I see is a few people joking around.

looks like the ipad is charged.

inb4 lipstick-smeared butthurt

Originally posted by Impediment
Lee (Bruce Lee from Enter the Dragon) vs Khan (Into Darkness).

The super soldier serum from Captain America: The First Avenger has been administered to Lee; he is now a martial arts super soldier.

Khan is at full health.

Neither have knowledge of each other.

Fight takes place in Emperor Palpatine's throne room on the Death Star II from ROTJ. Both start 50 feet apart.

Hand to hand, to the death.

Bloodlusted with no CIS.

Who wins?


KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.......loses and loses badly

Khan, easily.

What in Dante's 9 Circles of Hell makes you think Khan can win? Aside from those late night visits you get from Cumberbatch and JJ Abrams.

Bruce already has much faster reaction times and was strong enough to send people flying and one-shot martial arts masters.

Now he's got Cap's abilities stacked on top of his own. Meaning he's even faster, and stronger since Cap was a feeb before he got the powers.

Red Skull easily dented solid steel, Bruce will punch a hole in Khan. From 1 inch away.

Giving Lee the super soldier serum is a bit too much methinks. Then again, without the serum Khan probably wins without much difficulty. So there's no real way to make this match equal.

As it is though, Lee wins.

I was all set to vote for Khan here, until it was stated that Lee had the SSS augmenting him physically. That being the case, and with Khan having no weapons and this being purely a HTH fight, I would support Lee to take him in the end.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan, easily.

Gee, what a surprise.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Bruce Lee.

In fact, I think you'd only need regular "Enter the Dragon" Bruce Lee to take out Khan. I'm inclined to agree here. But Khan would be (to borrow Superman's oft-used line) "the toughest opponent ever faced."

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
KHANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN.....................................loses and loses badly

Dats right. uhuh

Originally posted by Mindship
I'm inclined to agree here. But Khan would be (to borrow Superman's oft-used line) "the toughest opponent ever faced."


Fair.

Originally posted by KingD19
What in Dante's 9 Circles of Hell makes you think Khan can win? Aside from those late night visits you get from Cumberbatch and JJ Abrams.

Bruce already has much faster reaction times and was strong enough to send people flying and one-shot martial arts masters.

Now he's got Cap's abilities stacked on top of his own. Meaning he's even faster, and stronger since Cap was a feeb before he got the powers.

Red Skull easily dented solid steel, Bruce will punch a hole in Khan. From 1 inch away. Quit letting your bias cloud your judgment.

Khan is far greater than any human as Lee was not. He was not even hurt at all by all out Kirk punches.

Khan beats him down. He beat the crap out of Spock and resisted the Vulcan pinch.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit letting your bias cloud your judgment.

HA! This, came from you? Youre kidding, right?

Originally posted by DTM
HA! This, came from you? Youre kidding, right?

I base my opinion on fact and evidence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit letting your bias cloud your judgment.

Khan is far greater than any human as Lee was not. He was not even hurt at all by all out Kirk punches.

Khan beats him down. He beat the crap out of Spock and resisted the Vulcan pinch.

Read the OP, dumbass. Lee isn't a normal human here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I base my opinion on fact and evidence.

No, you really dont, I wonder if you even know what the words Face and Evidence actually mean. You support your favorite character to the point of idiocy, which is the very ideal of the same Bias that you claim others are doing themselves.

Originally posted by Robtard
Read the OP, dumbass. Lee isn't a normal human here. it isn't enough. Khan beats Cap or Cap Lee all the same.

Originally posted by DTM
No, you really dont, I wonder if you even know what the words Face and Evidence actually mean. You support your favorite character to the point of idiocy, which is the very ideal of the same Bias that you claim others are doing themselves. I used the word fact not face, kid.

I back my case by evidence unlike you.

Awww, thats right, everything I said means nothing because I made a typo. Eh, compared to how foolishly you normally debate, thats actually a really sound argument for YOU.

Originally posted by DTM
Awww, thats right, everything I said means nothing because I made a typo. Eh, compared to how foolishly you normally debate, thats actually a really sound argument for YOU. Khan wasn't even harmed by all out Kirk. His cells regenerate too quickly for Cap. Lee to have a chance.

Uh, and Cap would have been hurt by Kirks punches, really? Keep in mind Kirk during that time was hardly at full strength, so no his strikes were not him going all out.

Cap is Khans physical equal, Lee is Khans superior in HTH fighting skills, this match while close is all too easy to decide in the end.

Originally posted by DTM
Uh, and Cap would have been hurt by Kirks punches, really? Keep in mind Kirk during that time was hardly at full strength, so no his strikes were not him going all out.

Cap is Khans physical equal, Lee is Khans superior in HTH fighting skills, this match while close is all too easy to decide in the end. Why wasn't he at full strength ? He sat back and watched khan save his life.

I disagree and again cellular regeneration seals the deal.

Khan wins.

Lee in a stomp.

Seeing what the serum did to Rogers, it'd be scary to assume what it might do to Lee.

Basically, we'd have a physically superior Asian Captain America with actual martial arts skills.

TBH, Lee with the serum would probably be equivalent to The Beast from Kung Fu Hustle.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree and again cellular regeneration seals the deal.
Cap also had regenerative abilities. He could never get get drunk or intoxicated because his liver/(other vital organs) would simply regenerate from the damage that these substances would cause.

Then we also have Emil Blonsky's destroyed body healing up completely from Hulk's beating within a matter of days(it actually only took one day iirc, which makes it even more impressive). And to top it all off, he was given only a frozen rip-off of the original superserum which jacked up Cap into a physical beast.

So no, regeneration doesn't seal the deal, as Khan has no advantages in that area(healing factor) either.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Cap also had regenerative abilities. He could never get get drunk or intoxicated because his liver/(other vital organs) would simply regenerate from the damage that these substances would cause.

Then we also have Emil Blonsky's destroyed body healing up completely from Hulk's beating within a matter of days(it actually only took one day iirc, which makes it even more impressive). And to top it all off, he was given only a frozen rip-off of the original superserum which jacked up Cap into a physical beast.

So no, regeneration doesn't seal the deal, as Khan has no advantages in that area(healing factor) either. Khan's blood is so spectacular it regenerates and heals fatal illnesses and with the proper medical procedure can resurrect someone back to life.


Cap has never done so and has not shown himself to be at Khan's level. He is superior in every way which also includes intellect coupled with a ruthlessness Lee cannot account for.

Superior in every way? From his movie alone Cap has several feats that eclipse everything Khan has done and put Cap clearly beyond him physically.

And you don't seem to realize Bruce's stats will stack. Meaning he'll be even more powerful than Cap, because Steve Rogers was puny and a weakling before the experiment.

Originally posted by KingD19
Superior in every way? From his movie alone Cap has several feats that eclipse everything Khan has done and put Cap clearly beyond him physically.

And you don't seem to realize Bruce's stats will stack. Meaning he'll be even more powerful than Cap, because Steve Rogers was puny and a weakling before the experiment. Such as ?

You are guessing they will stack due to bias clouding your judgment.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Such as ?

You are guessing they will stack due to bias clouding your judgment.

Red Skull easily denting solid steel.

Cap holding up roughly 1200lbs of weight over his head with his hands extended.

Punching through submarine glass.

Sending people flying much farther than Khan ever did.

Shield tossing a hidden sniper that no one else even noticed.


And I'm not guessing, it was stated in the movie by Dr. Erskine.

"The serum was not ready. But more important, the man. The serum amplifies everything that is inside, so good becomes great; bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen. Because the strong man who has known power all his life, may lose respect for that power, but a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows... compassion.

Everything is amplified. Strength, speed, agility, sense of compassion, etc... Everything you are in every way is made better. It's right there. No bias. I simply watched the movie.

But I always crack up when you have the nerve to toss out bias.

Originally posted by KingD19
Red Skull easily denting solid steel.

Cap holding up roughly 1200lbs of weight over his head with his hands extended.

Punching through submarine glass.

Sending people flying much farther than Khan ever did.

Shield tossing a hidden sniper that no one else even noticed.


And I'm not guessing, it was stated in the movie by Dr. Erskine.

"The serum was not ready. But more important, the man. The serum amplifies everything that is inside, so good becomes great; bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen. Because the strong man who has known power all his life, may lose respect for that power, but a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows... compassion.

Everything is amplified. Strength, speed, agility, sense of compassion, etc... Everything you are in every way is made better. It's right there. No bias. I simply watched the movie.

But I always crack up when you have the nerve to toss out bias. These aren't greater than crushing a human skull and he did knock people back further. Try being honest for once in a debate. This is also Lee so the states don't transfer over anyways.

LMGDMFAO @ the notion that crushing a human skull is a stronger feat than lifting a motorcycle with three women on it or punching through extra thick, waterproofed windows.

LOL indeed.

Punching through submarine glass and denting steel are indeed greater strength feats than crushing a very old man's skull.

I'm always honest. It's you who wanks your preferred character until the other guy has like 80 votes to your 1.

Also, I don't know what you mean by that. I was saying as Lee was already lightning fast, pretty strong for his size, etc, etc, all of that will be boosted when he gets the serum. He'll be stronger than Cap, faster and more agile than Cap, etc because Bruce was already so far beyond Steve.

Originally posted by KingD19
Punching through submarine glass and denting steel are indeed greater strength feats than crushing a very old man's skull.

I'm always honest. It's you who wanks your preferred character until the other guy has like 80 votes to your 1.

Also, I don't know what you mean by that. I was saying as Lee was already lightning fast, pretty strong for his size, etc, etc, all of that will be boosted when he gets the serum. He'll be stronger than Cap, faster and more agile than Cap, etc because Bruce was already so far beyond Steve. Lee was getting his ass kicked against an older man with a claw. Khan wrecks the amped Lee. Cell regeneration is the key.

Lee was only losing that fight because of the mirror room. You always seem to neglect to remember circumstances.

In a straight fight Khan gets One Inch Punched into paste.

Originally posted by KingD19
Lee was only losing that fight because of the mirror room. You always seem to neglect to remember circumstances.

In a straight fight Khan gets One Inch Punched into paste. Khan would not lose due to the mirror room against some scruby old man.


False. Khan crushes his skull.

Originally posted by KingD19
Punching through submarine glass and denting steel are indeed greater strength feats than crushing a very old man's skull.

I'm always honest. It's you who wanks your preferred character until the other guy has like 80 votes to your 1.

Also, I don't know what you mean by that. I was saying as Lee was already lightning fast, pretty strong for his size, etc, etc, all of that will be boosted when he gets the serum. He'll be stronger than Cap, faster and more agile than Cap, etc because Bruce was already so far beyond Steve.

Thats not really how the serum works, it doesnt just augment the starting subjects stats, it transforms the subject to the Peak of human potential. So basically any man taking the SSS would be physically the same, as would any woman compared to other women who took the serum.

But I solidly agree with your vote, a SSS amped Lee would definately beat Khan in a HTH only match.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan's blood is so spectacular it regenerates and heals fatal illnesses and with the proper medical procedure can resurrect someone back to life.


Cap has never done so and has not shown himself to be at Khan's level. He is superior in every way which also includes intellect coupled with a ruthlessness Lee cannot account for.
Both Cap's hf and Blonsky's hf disagree.

No, he really isn't. Maybe in terms of purely scientific intellect, but Cap has bested smart villains as well in the past. Cap's strength and general h2h feats are also better than Khan's. And Cap didn't even have one-millionth the martial skill which Lee's movie incarnations possess.

Lee, jacked up on the Supersoldier Serum, clearly and effortlessly wins.

Originally posted by KingD19
"The serum was not ready. But more important, the man. The serum amplifies everything that is inside, so good becomes great; bad becomes worse. This is why you were chosen. Because the strong man who has known power all his life, may lose respect for that power, but a weak man knows the value of strength, and knows... compassion.
Exactly. Blonsky went from good ol' special ops soldier to gladiator mentality monster.

Regular Lee would have a considerable chance to take down Khan on his own, amping him up on Supersoldier serum juice is just pure spite against Nu-Khan.

Oh theres plenty of "serum juice" around here alright.

In yet another of Qunachi's "I spend all day yanking at Van Khancow's 'teet'..!!!! Why is the tablespoon full of 'milk' produced able to hang my wallpaper and be used as hair gel?"


Why does he keep blaming his Ipod for frustrated looking mistakes in spelling and grammar?

Because you can't even easily type on one with your chin whilst your left is engaged in wanking Van Zan and the other is beating off Khan.

When Khan lets down his guard defense and puts his hands on Lee's skull in a futile attempt to crush it, Lee easily counters and unleashes a fury of punches.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Exactly. Blonsky went from good ol' special ops soldier to gladiator mentality monster.

Regular Lee would have a considerable chance to take down Khan on his own, amping him up on Supersoldier serum juice is just pure spite against Nu-Khan.

Nah let's not go that far. As skilled as regular Lee is he isn't strong enough to properly hurt Khan. Supersoldier Lee though is overkill.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Nah let's not go that far. As skilled as regular Lee is he isn't strong enough to properly hurt Khan. Supersoldier Lee though is overkill.
Khan would only have the stats advantage over him. That hardly means that he could easily win. Regular Lee would most definitely give him a fight.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Khan would only have the stats advantage over him. That hardly means that he could easily win. Regular Lee would most definitely give him a fight.

"Stats advantage" means that Khan is stronger and faster and has every other physical advantage over regular Lee except skill. Sure Khan can't just walk all over Lee, but it won't be such a difficult fight either.

Khan's advantage over regular Lee is about as big as an advantage as Supersoldier Lee has over Khan.

Khan has absolutely no chance here..

Lee is skilled enough to evade phaser fire.. Khan's h2h skills aren't all that so as soon as this goes h2h....... one inch punch ftw

Originally posted by FrothByte
"Stats advantage" means that Khan is stronger and faster and has every other physical advantage over regular Lee except skill. Sure Khan can't just walk all over Lee, but it won't be such a difficult fight either.

Khan's advantage over regular Lee is about as big as an advantage as Supersoldier Lee has over Khan.
Nope, I don't see it that way. Stats advantage doesn't mean you automatically beat the physically inferior guy easily. I wouldn't give Cap the easy win over Natasha Romanoff, nor did Loki himself gain the easy win over Cap himself despite the considerable strength/speed advantage.

Regular Lee could most definitely give Khan a fight before going down. Spock was able to do so.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Nope, I don't see it that way. Stats advantage doesn't mean you automatically beat the physically inferior guy easily. I wouldn't give Cap the easy win over Natasha Romanoff, nor did Loki himself gain the easy win over Cap himself despite the considerable strength/speed advantage.

Regular Lee could most definitely give Khan a fight before going down. Spock was able to do so.

Spock is supposed to be around 3x human strength (IIRC) with a whole lot of ancient martial arts training. Though Lee has the training, he doesn't have the strength.

Loki was toying with Captain America. Cap hit him like what, 2 times? And Loki didn't even go down except during the first hit where Loki's own staff bolt hit him.

Or maybe we're actually debating the same thing just using different terminologies?

I do agree that Khan doesn't simply walk all over Lee. But Khan does get to win 10/10 over regular Lee. Khan doesn't finish the fight easily, but he's also in very little danger of losing the fight.

Originally posted by Impediment
Lee (Bruce Lee from Enter the Dragon) vs Khan (Into Darkness).

The super soldier serum from Captain America: The First Avenger has been administered to Lee; he is now a martial arts super soldier.

Khan is at full health.

Neither have knowledge of each other.

Fight takes place in Emperor Palpatine's throne room on the Death Star II from ROTJ. Both start 50 feet apart.

Hand to hand, to the death.

Bloodlusted with no CIS.

Who wins? Even this depowered Bruce Lee wins with 1 hit.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Spock is supposed to be around 3x human strength (IIRC) with a whole lot of ancient martial arts training.

But JJ's version of Spock, has Spock turning his back on Vulcan ways for Starfleet & then destroying his home planet...so he never really pursued martial arts training.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
But JJ's version of Spock, has Spock turning his back on Vulcan ways for Starfleet & then destroying his home planet...so he never really pursued martial arts training.

I don't know man. He still used that nerve pinch thing, and that's supposed to be one of those signature Vulcan martial arts moves that you can't do without training.

I'm just saying we don't ever see any training/fighting montage of Spock. Not Nimoy or Quinto.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Spock is supposed to be around 3x human strength (IIRC) with a whole lot of ancient martial arts training. Though Lee has the training, he doesn't have the strength.

Loki was toying with Captain America. Cap hit him like what, 2 times? And Loki didn't even go down except during the first hit where Loki's own staff bolt hit him.

Or maybe we're actually debating the same thing just using different terminologies?

I do agree that Khan doesn't simply walk all over Lee. But Khan does get to win 10/10 over regular Lee. Khan doesn't finish the fight easily, but he's also in very little danger of losing the fight.
Lee's training supercedes strength. We have seen skill outweighing enormous strength advantages multiple times in martial arts movies before.

Cap still held his own though. That's the point.

I disagree that he gets the 10/10 win over normal Lee. 6/10 or 7/10 is more reasonable, but him winning every scenario is unfeasible.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I don't know man. He still used that nerve pinch thing, and that's supposed to be one of those signature Vulcan martial arts moves that you can't do without training.
I presume in the rebooted verse, the nerve pinch is a standard combat technique taught to all young Vulcans..?

Lee, without the SSS, shows us his speed and strength:

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Lee shows us his versatility:

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Add the Super Soldier Serum which amplifies all of this by, oh, 20 times, and you have a dead Khan.

From Comic Vine:

The most common set of powers granted by is that of exceeding peak human potential. This means the individual is capable of lifting around 850 pounds over their heads, running at speeds up to around 60 miles per hour and higher, and due to the Super Soldier Serum's ability to counteract the acids in the muscle that cause fatigue, allowing the individual to maintain strenuous physical activity for hours on end before tiring. The serum also increases the individual's metabolism, allowing them to heal faster than a normal human, giving them enhanced durability. Along with increased durability, the increased metabolism Super Soldiers enjoy also grants them immunity from nearly any poison known to man, due to their body's ability to process it faster than the effects can cause harm to their body. This includes most known drugs and alcohol which have no affect on a recipient.

The serum also affects the mind, allowing the individual to retain and recall any information they take in. It also allows the individual's mind to react and process data faster, which improves their reflexes far beyond those of a normal human. For example, Steve Rogers has stated that he can dodge bullets because he can see faster than they move

INB4 "KHAN CRUSHES LEE'S SKULL!"

No, he doesn't because Lee would never let Khan retain his grip long enough to actually do anything.

Khan would let down his guard to grab Lee's skull, and then Lee would use this to his advantage and unleash unholy Hell on Khan's body.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Lee's training supercedes strength. We have seen skill outweighing enormous strength advantages multiple times in martial arts movies before.

Cap still held his own though. That's the point.

I disagree that he gets the 10/10 win over normal Lee. 6/10 or 7/10 is more reasonable, but him winning every scenario is unfeasible.


We have seen skill outweight enormous strength advantage in movies but only in very specific scenarios like:

1. Strong man is slow and stupid
2. Strong man is not skilled
3. Strong man is the villain

But when said stronger man is also faster and is also skilled, plus you remove the villain/hero classes, then simply having better skill won't be enough. Any fighter can attest to that. Khan may not be as skilled as Lee but he is still pretty skilled. And the gap between Lee's skill and Khan's skill is not quite as big as the gap between their physical stats.

Lee's training teaches him how to strike with power. I don't recall it ever giving him superhuman strength.

Originally posted by FrothByte
We have seen skill outweight enormous strength advantage in movies but only in very specific scenarios like:

1. Strong man is slow and stupid
2. Strong man is not skilled
3. Strong man is the villain

But when said stronger man is also faster and is also skilled, plus you remove the villain/hero classes, then simply having better skill won't be enough. Any fighter can attest to that. Khan may not be as skilled as Lee but he is still pretty skilled. And the gap between Lee's skill and Khan's skill is not quite as big as the gap between their physical stats.

Lee's training teaches him how to strike with power. I don't recall it ever giving him superhuman strength.
The third scenario which you presented doesn't play in Khan's favor.

His skill is vastly more inferior to Lee's than Lee is physically inferior to him though. Which is the point that I have been trying to make all along. Khan's so-called "skill" too is largely derived from his physical stats superiority.

Khan is not invulnerable either. I never said that Khan would lose most of the times, but I clearly don't support the notion that he can beat regular Lee 10/10.

Having seen both movies, I'd say that base Lee is more skilled and has faster punching/kicking speed. giving him the SSS makes this a massive spite stomp.

Throat punch FTW

Lee stomps.

Khan has ..

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against the power and might of Bruce Lee

Bruce Lee was hardcore before Chuck Norris' balls dropped. It is Truth.

Originally posted by KingD19
What in Dante's 9 Circles of Hell makes you think Khan can win? Aside from those late night visits you get from Cumberbatch and JJ Abrams.

Bruce already has much faster reaction times and was strong enough to send people flying and one-shot martial arts masters.

Now he's got Cap's abilities stacked on top of his own. Meaning he's even faster, and stronger since Cap was a feeb before he got the powers.

Red Skull easily dented solid steel, Bruce will punch a hole in Khan. From 1 inch away. Cell regeneration, ruthlessness, combat showings. Khan wins.Originally posted by DTM
Gee, what a surprise. I am right.

Pathetic.

You resorted to arguments from page 1 instead of facing he music.

AAAAAAAAAAND....................with no new argument.

How sad.

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Quan: Khan wins!!!!11!!11!!1!!!!

Everyone else: No, he doesn't.

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In comes Imp with the brutal combo.

One more for baby Jesus.

Imagine Quan negotiating this thread:

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Cell regeneration

Oh fer christ's sake...it's never been shown or hinted just how long or fast Khan's healing abilities are!

In the X-men we're shown that Logan can heal within a matter of seconds to minutes depending on the extent of injury...for all we know Khan could take hours or days...proving pointless to his fighting capabilities.

Originally posted by Impediment
Pathetic.

You resorted to arguments from page 1 instead of facing he music.

AAAAAAAAAAND....................with no new argument.

How sad.

o1eHKf-dMwo it is time for you to face the music. He resisted the Vulcan grip and 8 blasts. He beats amped Lee.

Nah he be too busy being dead due to Lee's throat punch then neckbreak combo on him.

Spock broke Khans arm. Khan is not invulnerable.

SSS Lee beats Spock.

SSS Lee beats Khan.

Originally posted by Impediment
Spock broke Khans arm. Khan is not invulnerable.

SSS Lee beats Spock.
SSS Lee beats Khan. I never said he was but you left out the context. Khan was vulnerable due to 8 stuns and a weapon wielded by someone three times as strong as an elite male.

Khan wrecks him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
... three times as strong as an elite male.


This is actually a good point.

Depending upon the scenario, Trek nerds put him anywhere from 3-5 times stronger than human males. Some reason that Spock is actually stronger than pure blood Vulcans (based on feats) because his human side amps his Vulcan side strength.



However, just regular Bruce Lee from ETD is enough to beat Khan. It would be a tough fight, but Lee wins that.

Lee is far faster and much more skilled as a fighter than Khan, base form. His durability is really high. Not as high as Khan's. Khan appears to be slightly stronger, but I could be wrong because it has been a while since I've seen ETD.


Giving Lee the Super Soldier Serum? This thread becomes spite.

Originally posted by quanchi112
someone three times as strong as an elite male.

Yeah, no.

"Vulcans are about three times as strong as an average human, owing to Vulcan's higher gravity although their durability is equal to humans."

Keep dancing.

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Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Oh fer christ's sake...it's never been shown or hinted just how long or fast Khan's healing abilities are!

In the X-men we're shown that Logan can heal within a matter of seconds to minutes depending on the extent of injury...for all we know Khan could take hours or days...proving pointless to his fighting capabilities.
It's a pointless point to make anyways, since the SSS itself imparts an enhanced healing factor on its host, as seen in the examples of both Steve Rogers and Emil Blonsky.

Khan wins by virtue of being more violent, more zoned to go the distance to win a fight, having an enhanced human IQ, and having comparable strength and endurance to movie CA.

Khan is like me, April 19th gives me a cusp of the two most masculine zodiacs, the Ram and the Bull.

Though, I don't think many other Aries-Taurus cusp males where born east of the Rocky Mountains so as to be aligned with Eris, Venus and the Aries constellation itself in 1993, during the final day of the Waco Massacre. At 8 AM.

^Impediment, please ban this idiot.

please i beg you do not let this go 20+ pages of meaningless shit..

Originally posted by Dolos
Khan wins by virtue of being more violent, more zoned to go the distance to win a fight, having an enhanced human IQ, and having comparable strength and endurance to movie CA.

Khan is like me, April 19th gives me a cusp of the two most masculine zodiacs, the Ram and the Bull.

Though, I don't think many other Aries-Taurus cusp males where born east of the Rocky Mountains so as to be aligned with Eris, Venus and the Aries constellation itself in 1993, during the final day of the Waco Massacre. At 8 AM.


means nothing, Lee is clearly agile enough to evade anything khan will do.. Lee is fast enough to block Khan's fists.. Lee wins via one inch punch

Being more violent and zoned means dildos.

Lee has better concentration and mental agility.

Lee is a life long fighter trained in advanced martial arts. Khan is a warrior and tactician, yes, but in a hand to hand fight Khan loses.

I'm still waiting for somebody to counter this. With videos and links, hopefully, and not a parroted statement.

Originally posted by Impediment
Lee, without the SSS, shows us his speed and strength:

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Lee shows us his versatility:

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Add the Super Soldier Serum which amplifies all of this by, oh, 20 times, and you have a dead Khan.

From Comic Vine:

The most common set of powers granted by is that of exceeding peak human potential. This means the individual is capable of lifting around 850 pounds over their heads, running at speeds up to around 60 miles per hour and higher, and due to the Super Soldier Serum's ability to counteract the acids in the muscle that cause fatigue, allowing the individual to maintain strenuous physical activity for hours on end before tiring. The serum also increases the individual's metabolism, allowing them to heal faster than a normal human, giving them enhanced durability. Along with increased durability, the increased metabolism Super Soldiers enjoy also grants them immunity from nearly any poison known to man, due to their body's ability to process it faster than the effects can cause harm to their body. This includes most known drugs and alcohol which have no affect on a recipient.

The serum also affects the mind, allowing the individual to retain and recall any information they take in. It also allows the individual's mind to react and process data faster, which improves their reflexes far beyond those of a normal human. For example, Steve Rogers has stated that he can dodge bullets because he can see faster than they move

Originally posted by Dolos
Khan wins by virtue of being more violent, more zoned to go the distance to win a fight, having an enhanced human IQ, and having comparable strength and endurance to movie CA.

Khan is like me, April 19th gives me a cusp of the two most masculine zodiacs, the Ram and the Bull.

Though, I don't think many other Aries-Taurus cusp males where born east of the Rocky Mountains so as to be aligned with Eris, Venus and the Aries constellation itself in 1993, during the final day of the Waco Massacre. At 8 AM.

How does being more "violent or zoned " help against someone that is far more skilled and has at least comparable stats?

Ooooooooh, Khan shrugged off 8 stun bolts.

Captain America got shot in the stomach with an energy rifle that blows up cars and leaves foot or more deep craters in concrete. He was only momentarily inconvenienced.

Cap took hits from a guy who's durable enough to take multiple hits from Thor.

Wow, everyone just switched roles with Quanchi to join on this Bruce Lee wank train.

Way to use his choreographed fights in the same way you'd use a street fight for an example. Dumbasses.

Well, this being Movie Versus, aren't his choreographed fights supposed to be looked at for the sake of examples?

how does everyone forget khan had trouble with the dreadnought's goons. though his stats are better, his skill is nothing to write home about. if you gave lee spock's stats he'd still destroy khan.

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Well, this being Movie Versus, aren't his choreographed fights supposed to be looked at for the sake of examples? No because Bruce Lee isn't necessarily any particular character that he has portrayed in one of his films. If so, pick one. Enter the Dragon? Okay, that might make this more even.

As to what ublo gooblu said a few posts above me, Bruce Lee has worse concentration and neural placidity, cognitively he has no enhancements from the SSS, Khan has been genetically modified not just physically, but cognitively as well. CA from the movies never demonstrated a vertical leap when weighed down by gigantic photon weapons as high as Khan did either. Khan also has comparable damage soak in my mind, taking multiple stun blasts when he braced himself for them. He's able to overcome the Vulcan Nerve Pinch, he could crush skulls with his bare hands.

True, but this isnt Bruce Lee fighting here, its Lee (his character from ETD) fighting here.

Originally posted by DTM
True, but this isnt Bruce Lee fighting here, its Lee (his character from ETD) fighting here. Now we have a subpar Bruce Wayne on the SSS - and still no tweaked genetic modification pertaining to his mental processes, just some decades of honed procedural memories. But Khan has also sharpened his martial discipline to his superior peak.

Heck, Id pick a subpar Bruce Wayne (which Im not agreeing Lee is, not in a strictly HTH (no weapons) fight), with the SSS, against Khan as well.

The SSS enhances the subjects mind and mental processes as well.

Originally posted by Dolos
No because Bruce Lee isn't necessarily any particular character that he has portrayed in one of his films. If so, pick one. Enter the Dragon? Okay, that might make this more even.

As to what ublo gooblu said a few posts above me, Bruce Lee has worse concentration and neural placidity, cognitively he has no enhancements from the SSS, Khan has been genetically modified not just physically, but cognitively as well. CA from the movies never demonstrated a vertical leap when weighed down by gigantic photon weapons as high as Khan did either. Khan also has comparable damage soak in my mind, taking multiple stun blasts when he braced himself for them. He's able to overcome the Vulcan Nerve Pinch, he could crush skulls with his bare hands.

I thought that we were using the character from Enter the Dragon. I also thought that someone had established that the serum doesn't just augment people to their physical peak. It doesn't make sense if that was all it did, either, as that would force someone who undergoes the process to also require weeks or possibly months of rigorous training to adjust to their altered body. Rogers was, while disoriented, for the most part able to function just fine after taking the serum. Lee, someone already used to honing their body to a desired level of fitness, would strike me as being able to adjust even better than Steve.

Do we even know how heavy those weapons were? One looked no larger than perhaps a large assault rifle, while the other was significantly bigger. How do photonic weapons house their payload? Are there cartridges? How does the density of energy output affect the weight of the physical casing?

I've had a similar point brought up in another debate. How exactly do stun blasts work? Are we sure that Khan keeping conscious from multiple hits is a matter of damage soak in the traditional sense?

Originally posted by Dolos
Now we have a subpar Bruce Wayne on the SSS - and still no tweaked genetic modification pertaining to his mental processes, just some decades of honed procedural memories. But Khan has also sharpened his martial discipline to his superior peak.

"Sub-par Bruce Wayne"?

I'm not saying that Lee could take Batman, but that's probably one the worst generalizations I've ever read.

Originally posted by Dolos
Wow, everyone just switched roles with Quanchi to join on this Bruce Lee wank train.

Way to use his choreographed fights in the same way you'd use a street fight for an example. Dumbasses.

You're aware that this thread is about the character Lee from Enter the Dragon and not the actor Bruce Lee, right?

I thought it was blatantly obvious, myself.

The OP clearly states "Lee, Bruce Lee's character from Enter the Dragon".

He has mastered of art of "reading without reading".


Speaking of that gag: I wonder if Khan wouldn't fall for that and wind up floating the ocean in a rowing boat..

Originally posted by Impediment
Yeah, no.

"Vulcans are about three times as strong as an average human, owing to Vulcan's higher gravity although their durability is equal to humans."

Keep dancing.

zBb9hTyLjfM Spock beat an elite male and has shown himself to be three times as strong as Kirk. Spock is an elite Vulcan.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is actually a good point.

Depending upon the scenario, Trek nerds put him anywhere from 3-5 times stronger than human males. Some reason that Spock is actually stronger than pure blood Vulcans (based on feats) because his human side amps his Vulcan side strength.



However, just regular Bruce Lee from ETD is enough to beat Khan. It would be a tough fight, but Lee wins that.

Lee is far faster and much more skilled as a fighter than Khan, base form. His durability is really high. Not as high as Khan's. Khan appears to be slightly stronger, but I could be wrong because it has been a while since I've seen ETD.


Giving Lee the Super Soldier Serum? This thread becomes spite. I disagree entirely. Khan and the skills he has demonstrated is enough to beat this amps Lee IMO. Feel free to disagree.

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Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Freedom felt and almost universally exercised. Khan wins.

...in the '2st to lose' race. (He comes right after Van Zan)

I just think it would be on the verge of crushing an enraged Spock's skull while under the Vulcan nerve pinch.

Spock and Kirk had all that anger and Mr. Badass was throwing both of them around like rag dolls and always has more anger because he was born to be better.

Being too angry isn't necessarily an asset.
Loss of control isn't usually a good thing.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
...in the '2st to lose' race. (He comes right after Van Zan) Quit stealing the glory from khan here. Zan crushes your hero, McClane.

*Bump*

Lee wins, easily.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
*Bump*

Lee wins, easily.

I am going to bump this.

Why? Because **** you, that's why.

Lee wins.