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Could someone like Obi-Wan, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Sora Bulq, Saesee Tiin become more powerful than most Sith Lords or Jedi Grand Masters who had more experience and a higher midichlorian counts if they were given enough training? Such as Yoda, Sidious, Bane?

no

They matter alright.

Yes they matter, everyone has a cut off point when it comes to power. Obi-Wan, would never be able to match Yoda, as an example.

They matter in power. Even if Obi-wan surpassed Yoda or Sidious in skill somehow, he'd still be always outmatched in the force.


Though there are ways around this, like becoming a wound in the force ala Meetra.

Midi-chlorians are pretty much unheard of outside of G-canon and -some- EU created after TPM. The idea is that midi-chlorians imply a higher potential, but I always found the concept lameashellunevenly applied and therefore stupid.

Sure enough, but the basic concept is everywhere: You're born strong in the Force or you aren't. People who are innately more powerful will always surpass those who are lesser. Training can bridge the gap, but if the more powerful being is also decently trained and competent then you'll never get more powerful than them no matter how much you train.

I imagine there's ways to enhance your power too. Absorbing Force spirits/essence of others, amulets, Meditation crystals/altars/rooms, etc. Perhaps some of the most ridiculous Force users are not naturally powerful but simply well augmented.

Ah, yes. There are those ways as well. It just isn't possible through sheer training.

Agreed on that. Training >>> reach full potential.

Augmentations >>> surpass full potential.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Could someone like Obi-Wan, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Sora Bulq, Saesee Tiin become more powerful than most Sith Lords or Jedi Grand Masters who had more experience and a higher midichlorian counts if they were given enough training? Such as Yoda, Sidious, Bane?

As it relates to power...NO!
Jerec, Kor, Katarn, Celeste Morne, Kun and a few others have managed to become more powerful through other means besides midichlorians.

And hey, there's always the 'steal the body of someone stronger than you' method.

Originally posted by Q99
And hey, there's always the 'steal the body of someone stronger than you' method. CHANGE NOW!

Originally posted by Q99
And hey, there's always the 'steal the body of someone stronger than you' method.

Too bad this doesn't work IRL. I could poach some healthy young people's bodies and with my mind, take over the world.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Too bad this doesn't work IRL. I could poach some healthy young people's bodies and with my mind, take over the world.


Heck, it barely works in Star Wars!


Attempting body-swap is normally just asking for your soul to be destroyed. It worked for Vitiate and sorta for Muur, but everyone else who did it, died almost on the spot.

Plageuis's master. Darth Bane. Palpatine. Even Krayt.

Curious as to what Nox will end up doing. I haven't gotten into any Hutt Cartel DLC, but I doubt it will illuminate my class story anymore.

Nox uses dark side tendrils, but was admittedly likely being amped from the crystal she was holding during said sorcery.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Curious as to what Nox will end up doing. I haven't gotten into any Hutt Cartel DLC, but I doubt it will illuminate my class story anymore.

It doesn't. The only class story stuff you get is right at the beginning in a short intro showing the various classes pissing around on their ships. The Knight is training, Consular is meditiating and sensing the Makeb crisis, the Smuggler not doing anything really and the Inquisitor is doing some ritual that makes some tentacles come out of a tablet.

Thats it. The only other story elements I've seen is that Nox feels the need to constantly remind people that she's on the Dark Council now, furthering my impression of her as a big manchild.

I'd rather have a dlc where I sit on the Council and vote/backstab/***** about Imperial issues.

"Health care for soldiers? Why don't we just give them rights next!"

As the Darth Plagueis Novel explained, without Midi-chlorians there's no communication with the Force. Midi-chlorians are what make an ever-growing list of weak-minded aliens immune to Jedi Mind tricks, allow some species to live thousands of years, etc. High midi-chlorian counts always indicate high levels of Force sensitivity.

Anakin far exceeded his fellow Jedi, though he didn't care for more esoteric techniques he was able to wield the Nexus on Mortis like no other.

Midi-chlorians are a trick planted by Satan to make people question the Jedi.

Midichlorians are ok, but they were never the be all end all.

Midi-chlorians are rubbish. Worst idea GL has had since Han Shot Second.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Midi-chlorians are rubbish. Worst idea GL has had since Han Shot Second. Uh, yes.

I've been wondering... what are midichlorians?



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i find it odd that yoda had the highest recorded midichlorian count prior to Anakin and yet it took him 100 years to be promoted to master and 500 years to be considered on the level of thon and Nomi Sunrider.

Darth Plagueis' research upon midi-chlorians showed that a higher number of midi-chlorians does not equal more "power" in The Force.
A good example would be Vader. After he lost most of his body, he was still stronger than his Prequel Trilogy persona.

Yes. And with Midi-Chlorians Manipulation, one could theoretically increase their midi-chlorian count.

And then there's that interview with George Lucas where he talked about how the midi-Chlorians were actually gateways into a different dimension where the "Whills" lived and they create the force...

no, midichlorians don't *really* matter.