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1. Straight up fight.
2. Prep fight. 1 whole day of prep.
3. Bonus round: John W/ The Books of Magic Vs Loki W/Norn stones.

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vs

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http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/BOM_zpsf041f51a.jpg

Loki should destroy him in Scenarios 1 and 2.

Don't know enough about the Books of Magic to say who wins 3.

I think Loki will take the first, but I'm pretty sure that Constantine stomps Loki into oblivion in 2 and 3.

Originally posted by zopzop
Loki should destroy him in Scenarios 1 and 2.

Don't know enough about the Books of Magic to say who wins 3.

You should start catching up with Justice League Dark.

When we were originally told about the DCnU Books of Magic, they were stated to make the person who opened them nigh-omnipotent...

"Some believe they contain all mystical knowledge... Others believe they are actually the source... Living tomes that generate magic itself. Each book represents one of the opposing forces of reality--life and death crossed with chaos and order. Alone they are extremely powerful, but bringing them together would mean understanding, well... Everything.":
http://imgur.com/GCzZVXe

The prospect of this alleged 'ultimate magical knowledge' is why Nick Necro was searching for them in the first place:
http://imgur.com/erHCbKz


However, all of that speechification ended up being a ruse. The Books of 'Magic' weren't really magic at all-- they were science:
http://imgur.com/D4kUfpt

All they did was teleport he who opened them to a magic-enriched planet called 'Epoch':
http://imgur.com/MTYLv8j
http://imgur.com/hyVwI53
http://imgur.com/1ILuUVI
http://imgur.com/c7X3TA4
http://imgur.com/owCPhiF

So yeah, they wouldn't really help John at all here. In fact, opening them would actually just equate to a self-BFR and automatic loss. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
When we were originally told about the DCnU Books of Magic, they were stated to make the person who opened them nigh-omnipotent...

"Some believe they contain all mystical knowledge... Others believe they are actually the source... Living tomes that generate magic itself. Each book represents one of the opposing forces of reality--life and death crossed with chaos and order. Alone they are extremely powerful, but bringing them together would mean understanding, well... Everything.":
http://imgur.com/GCzZVXe

The prospect of this alleged 'ultimate magical knowledge' is why Nick Necro was searching for them in the first place:
http://imgur.com/erHCbKz


However, all of that speechification ended up being a ruse. The Books of 'Magic' weren't really magic at all-- they were science:
http://imgur.com/D4kUfpt

All they did was teleport he who opened them to a magic-enriched planet called 'Epoch':
http://imgur.com/MTYLv8j
http://imgur.com/hyVwI53
http://imgur.com/1ILuUVI
http://imgur.com/c7X3TA4
http://imgur.com/owCPhiF

So yeah, they wouldn't really help John at all here. In fact, opening them would actually just equate to a self-BFR and automatic loss. /shrug

I forgot about the whole tech thing. How do you see the fight going?

Apparently Constantine feels he can beat the Spectre in a prep-less environment while only losing "one or two limbs". If that's the case, he should probably be able to beat Loki under the same conditions. Some of the shit he's been doing is crazy, but Loki has a much larger volume of impressive feats to draw from.

A prepped environment is tough to call. Most of what John's done so far is actually on the fly.

Loki probably takes the first(due to sheer number of feats), John takes the second, and given that the Books of Magic don't really do anything, Loki takes the third.

1 - Loki.

2 - John is very cunning and has access to potent magical artifacts that can be manipulated on the fly based on the scans Galan has posted (Thanks for that btw). However, Loki has always been cunning as f*ck and access to powerful or "ultimate" sources of power isn't really a problem for an Asgardian God. Modern Loki, particularly under Gillen, is sneaky as hell. Remember that Siege one-shot? John actually reminds me a lot of Kid Loki.

3 - Loki.

Originally posted by Galan007
Loki probably takes the first(due to sheer number of feats), John takes the second, and given that the Books of Magic don't really do anything, Loki takes the third. agreed but John's feats have been impressive from where I left off. He's in a whole different league as far as his ability to enter a stand up fight with upper tier characters.

Is John just human?

Is Loki fast and strong?


So dont Loki just k.o him right off the bat?
I think Loki is half of Thor strength or a little less than half, but im just saying, one hit and I dont think John is ever waking up

Originally posted by Supermex
Is John just human?

Is Loki fast and strong?


So dont Loki just k.o him right off the bat?
I think Loki is half of Thor strength or a little less than half, but im just saying, one hit and I dont think John is ever waking up not that much faster besides in his dealings with higher level magic beings there have been those none too shabby in the speed department. Furthermore asgardians generally aren't blindingly fast to the average person and you assume that Constantine can't magic defend himself from such tactics. Even the combat weaker vertigo version had sigils and spells for just such purposes as dealing opponents.

Originally posted by Uriel005
not that much faster besides in hassumelings with higher level magic beings there have been those none too shabby in the speed department. Furthermore asgardians generally aren't blindingly fast to the average person and you assume that Constantine can't magic defend himself from such tactics. Even the combat weaker vertigo version had sigils and spells for just such purposes as dealing opponents.




So in this fight Loki and John will never be able to touch eachother?
The fight will be just spell vs spell?
Cus once Loki puts his hands on him and hits him once or twice its night night for John i assume

Loki, all three.

Originally posted by Supermex
So in this fight Loki and John will never be able to touch eachother?
The fight will be just spell vs spell?
Cus once Loki puts his hands on him and hits him once or twice its night night for John i assume Honestly you couldnt say how John would do hand to hand in his current incarnation. Just doesn't have the feats but with his current showings I haven't seen anything that says he would get tooled in a fist fight. Historically speaking hes generally pretty handy in a melee and he usually has that backed up with defensive wards and sigils/something to give him the edge. His current incarnation however has power in spades whether this will mean his hand to hand abilities are down the drain or if it means he can self amp to laughable degrees is up in the air at the moment. So to say one way or another we'd have to go with prior incarnation showings.

But if you want to call it a loss on his part simply because he doesn't have the feats I'd be alright with that too.

I like John he's one of my favorite characters, since he's the DC Doom, but if you think Loki doesn't kick his ass in hth, you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Mindset
I like John he's one of my favorite characters, since he's the DC Doom, but if you think Loki doesn't kick his ass in hth, you don't know what you're talking about. classic john would lose in a fist fight sure. But all I'm saying is the current doesn't have the feats one way or the other. For instance if he were capable of doing something like Odin amping only to his power scale I'd say he takes loki hand to hand pretty convincingly with his powers showings. I only say this because hes never shown an aversion towards using magic to give himself an edge in Vertigo and if he does the same here where his power seems to be multiplied to the nth degree I think he'd take it but as I said if you want to call it his loss because of no showings and lack of feats I'm fine with it. Just posting some food for thought.

Originally posted by Uriel005
classic john would lose in a fist fight sure. But all I'm saying is the current doesn't have the feats one way or the other. For instance if he were capable of doing something like Odin amping only to his power scale I'd say he takes loki hand to hand pretty convincingly with his powers showings.

That is one HELL of an assumption to make based on mostly wishful thinking.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Honestly you couldnt say how John would do hand to hand in his current incarnation. Just doesn't have the feats but with his current showings I haven't seen anything that says he would get tooled in a fist fight. Historically speaking hes generally pretty handy in a melee and he usually has that backed up with defensive wards and sigils/something to give him the edge. His current incarnation however has power in spades whether this will mean his hand to hand abilities are down the drain or if it means he can self amp to laughable degrees is up in the air at the moment. So to say one way or another we'd have to go with prior incarnation showings.

But if you want to call it a loss on his part simply because he doesn't have the feats I'd be alright with that too.



Kool Uriel, but yea im just saying..
Gettin hit in the jaw by a guy (Loki) who knows magic, but also is 25 or 50 ton strong is not a going to end nice if John is a human.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That is one HELL of an assumption to make based on mostly wishful thinking. Not saying that he can. I'm just saying that there isn't anything really substantial about his hand to hand one way or the other. All I mean by it is that historically his character isnt above using magic to amp his close in game and that he's much stronger now. To say he would guarantee lose means that you would know one way or another how good he is in a close in fight which you cant and I cant either so debating it is kind of moot hence why I said calling it one way or another is fine by me.

This isn't strictly a fist fight. Straight up fight, meaning they can use powers and whatnot. John's magic has shown to be uber as hell and can definitely compete in that area.

Originally posted by Golgo13
This isn't strictly a fist fight. Straight up fight, meaning they can use powers and whatnot. John's magic has shown to be uber as hell and can definitely compete in that area.


I that Galgo, but when both are good magic users, Maybe eventually therecgoing to come in to contact into eachother and thats when Loki smashes he Jaw...

If John dont die from a physical beaten from Loki! Well John will arleast be
enjoyin tacos throu a straw for a good 6 months...

Originally posted by Mindset
I like John he's one of my favorite characters, since he's the DC Doom Bro, Doom is the Marvel Constantine. srsly

So who won here?

Originally posted by Galan007
Bro, Doom is the Marvel Constantine. srsly Galan, don't make me put in a spiked gauntlet and fist you.