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Has anyone else gotten around to watching the pilot for this? They have the entire pilot up on youtube, though its censored to shit so I recommend watching the original version through other means. If you want to watch the pilot now, I've got it linked below.

Anyway, the story seams to be about Captain Flint and his hunt for Spanish galleon loaded with treasure (5 mil Spanish dollars). Unfortunately, his crews past couple of hauls don't bring in much income, so they are on the verge of mutiny. The pilot is basically about Flint trying to sniff out the trail for the galleon while trying to keep relations in the crew solid to avoid the mutiny. It also has appearances from famous pirates such as Anne Bonny and Charles Vane. Blackbeard is also mentioned in a scene. Everyone's reaction to his name being dropped seemed to be pretty fearful, so they're building up towards his first appearance.

Overall. solid pilot. Nothing new here if you've already had a lot of familiarity with pirates. The dialogue also doesn't have any kind of poetic rhythm to it (like Game of Thrones). I liked it, but I'm not really invested in any character yet. This just sets up the story/goal for the season.

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This looks really good. Too bad I don't haz Starz.

looks decent. I will check it out.

Second episode aired last night. This one was a bit less interesting than the first, but it had its moments. John Silver finding a way to make himself indispensable was a smart move.

Also, I've noticed that Anne Bonny, Calico Jack, and Charles Vane are all in the same crew whereas Captain Flint, John Silver, and Billy Bones are all on a crew. The former are all real pirates and the latter are all fictional pirates from Treasure Island. I'm not sure why its set up as real pirates vs fictional pirates, but I'm hoping their conflict gets epic a bloody.

I felt kind of bad when Elenore betrayed Max, pretty much giving her a death sentence by Vane. When Vane catches her, she's screwed. Waaaaay too many people crossed Vane this episode, and it will blow back on them. That should be interesting.

Also, now that I've realized that this guy was Jack Rackam, I feel kind of disappointed in his portrayal. He seems to be the intelligent and resourceful one. Rackam is supposed to be more of an incompetent but entertaining drunk. This show just seems to be borrowing the characters for a story though. Anne Bonny isn't supposed to be around yet. Jack didn't meet her and get her to join his crew until a while after he mutinied and stranded Vane on a deserted tropical island. She never served under Vane with Rackam in real life.

I'm still looking forward to seeing Blackbeard too. I'm wondering how they will portray Vane and Blackbeards friendship in this book. I'm thinking that Blackbeard will be a wildcard that will be drawn later by the real pirates side to get a leg up on the fictional team. We'll see how that goes though.

It's alright so far, on the lines with the likes of Spartacus, at least Spartacus with a bit more story and without all the dicks.

this worth watching? I have a few episodes sitting on my HDD

Originally posted by Lexington
this worth watching? I have a few episodes sitting on my HDD

I liked it enough to finish the 1st season and will watch the 2nd.

watching the Pilot, looks great!

Originally posted by Robtard
It's alright so far, on the lines with the likes of Spartacus, at least Spartacus with a bit more story and without all the dicks. Interest lost.

Story, plot and acting are superior to Spartacus when you take in the season as a whole.

The lack of naked dicks is still there though.

Has its moments, some good action, Max.... I like max

I'll look out for Max.

I stopped after episode 3. I'm planning on getting caught up, but at the same time, it hasn't been all that interesting either. Flint is ****ing awesome, but thats about it. They really dropped the ball on Charles Vane (who's my favorite real life pirate). He looks like he's on his way to chip-n-dales.

This also is set long before any of the big name pirates were killed, and 20 years before treasure island, so you already know none of the main characters are going to end up getting killed. It feels too safe for a pirate show. They should have just made a bunch of new fictional characters.

I don't know. I'll get back to it eventually. Hopefully it picks up later in the season.

I like this show, currently watching the 8th episode, I noticed Michael Bay is a producer, This show Rocks, I'm hooked.

Flint is cool, he is a very watchable character, the intro music is cool, apparently period accurate, played with a Hurdy gurdy, the intro music is very cool, works well.

It's been renewed for a second season.

I'll let you know if S2 ups the BNDF (Bare Naked Dicks Factor).

reminds me of OZ, Dicks all over the place

It was terrible.

I've heard season 2 and on of this show get damn epic, so I'm giving it another chance. I've seen plenty of shows that had meh first seasons but hit their stride season 2 and on (Vikings, Hannibal).

I'm actually appreciating it more this time around. Calico Jack is a fun character, so he's grown on me more. Vane has grown on me more too because of his badass voice, but I still don't like the way his dude looks. Maybe he'd be better if he grew out a beard or something.

John Silver seems to be my favorite in this show. Resourceful kid, and he has a charisma for days.

It does improve, I'm on the final season with only a few more eps to go. If you like pirates, action and drama, I recommend it.

It's somewhat comparable to Spartacus, but with much better writing, acting and instead of a plethora of bare-naked-dicks, we get a decent amount of girl-on-girl action.

Originally posted by Robtard
It does improve, I'm on the final season with only a few more eps to go. If you like pirates, action and drama, I recommend it.

It's somewhat comparable to Spartacus, but with much better writing, acting and instead of a plethora of bare-naked-dicks, we get a decent amount of girl-on-girl action. I've seen more dicks than I've seen vaj's so far in season 1. Three pairs of boobs so far, one vaj (somewhat obstructed), and two full on dicks. It's been leaning more towards girls obviously, but it's had its fair share of dudes for Neme. Plus, the girls you see are mostly irrelevant. The guys you see are central pirates

I've watched this all the way up until the most recent episode. Solid show overall, with the occasional slow episode. One thing that I enjoy about the show is how it blends historical and fictional elements together. I really dislike Flint though. If anyone deserves to get shot in the face with a cannon, it's him.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I've watched this all the way up until the most recent episode. Solid show overall, with the occasional slow episode. One thing that I enjoy about the show is how it blends historical and fictional elements together. I really dislike Flint though. If anyone deserves to get shot in the face with a cannon, it's him. Yeah, I've been starting to get that as times gone on. Dude is in it for himself 100%, and has screwed over his crew time and time again.

Then again, he's a pirate lol. I'm ok with it. It brings more drama. He's so damn well acted too. He's a tool, but a likable one, similar to Jaime Lannister

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah, I've been starting to get that as times gone on. Dude is in it for himself 100%, and has screwed over his crew time and time again.

Then again, he's a pirate lol. I'm ok with it. It brings more drama. He's so damn well acted too. He's a tool, but a likable one, similar to Jaime Lannister

I prefer Silver and Rackham for my "likable tool" characters. Because they can be awful when necessary, but do so without making me want to punch them. Silver also has the most growth and character development out of everyone, IMO. If you compare him in S1 to S4, there is a huge difference. Still has that same devious, clever mind, but all the shit he has been through has made him much tougher as well. Billy Bones is almost too much of a boy scout.

This is probably my favourite show on tv atm, though I'm glad it's wrapping up soon. Better to end on a high than drag on too long. Woodes Rogers is the GOAT.

Yeah, the last few episodes in particular showed why you do not f*** with that guy.

Hell, he cemented that fact in season 3. I still can't believe he walked away from that carriage crash.

Well, I was thinking more recent events, specifically how he punked Teach and his crew, despite the overwhelming odds against Woodes. And then convincing people who are technically his enemies to help fight his war for him.

The Teach ownage was awesome , and definitely showed how dangerous and resourceful he can be. I think season 3 hinted at it perfectly. His conversation with Rackham, and his fight with Vane, really gave you the sense that Woodes was every bit the Pirates equal.

I just finished episode 11 in season two, so I cant quite join the above discussion just yet. Soon though.

That said, in regards to episode XI, what a fking waste.

Edward Low was one of the most viscous pirates to ever live. He and Vane are probably top dogs in the "evil" pirate category, since Blackbeards wrongs are mostly myth to instill fear. Low was also one of the only pirates to survive the pirate age, so I assumed the show would kill him eventually since that affords them that freedom. Just not before he was properly used. He accomplished much in his short time on the sea, and there are fking tons of interesting stories surrounding the terrible things he's done. If they translated those stories to film, and even had him perform some of those acts on central characters, his death would have resonated as well as seasons long sadist type villains like Joffrey or Ramsey.

This show killing him off after 3 episodes was lame. Sure, Vane is my favorite pirate, and it was a badass showing for him, but they could have done so much more with Low. He could have been a season (or two) long villain if used properly. The actor they got for him was great too. He knocked the sociopathic monologues out of the park, and he played the fun wildcard role that Vane used to fulfill perfectly. He seemed to actually instill fear into Eleanor too, which is the only time I've seen that happen so far. I had no idea where the story with him was going, unlike every other character. That was too premature, and sucked out half the interest this season drummed out for me.

I'm still enjoying the second season more than the first though, so there's that.

Well, the show takes some liberties with historical fact, the time line etc. due to the fact that they have to blend it into the Treasure Island time line, as well as incorporate those fictional characters into the narrative. So, not everything occurs as it did historically.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
I just finished episode 11 in season two, so I cant quite join the above discussion just yet. Soon though.

Yeah, Rogers comes in at the beginning of S3, IIRC. And he shows rather quickly that he is going to be extremely difficult for the pirates to deal with. It's actually one of the really good elements of this show. They have a main endgame "villain" (I put that word in quotes, seeing as he is technically fighting for law and order) that is genuinely formidable, and a serious force to be reckoned with.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, the show takes some liberties with historical fact, the time line etc. due to the fact that they have to blend it into the Treasure Island time line, as well as incorporate those fictional characters into the narrative. So, not everything occurs as it did historically.

Yeah, Rogers comes in at the beginning of S3, IIRC. And he shows rather quickly that he is going to be extremely difficult for the pirates to deal with. It's actually one of the really good elements of this show. They have a main endgame "villain" (I put that word in quotes, seeing as he is technically fighting for law and order) that is genuinely formidable, and a serious force to be reckoned with. Yeah, I'm alright with that. I guess I just got too hyped for Low. I almost cheered for the possibilities when they said his name in the show and I realized who he was lol. It's alright though. They've got tons of real life famous pirates to use in the future, so I'm sure there will be no shortage of great new characters. I just have a thing for intelligent, sociopathic villains.

I already got spoiled on who that character you're talking about is due to a promo and also accidentally saw a picture of Vane with a noose around his neck when I was deciding whether or not to try to watch this show again. Rogers should be fun though, looking forward to that.

Does Bartholomew Roberts ever show up? He's the only real big one I can think of who I've seen no mention of.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yeah, I'm alright with that. I guess I just got too hyped for Low. I almost cheered for the possibilities when they said his name in the show and I realized who he was lol. It's alright though. They've got tons of real life famous pirates to use in the future, so I'm sure there will be no shortage of great new characters. I just have a thing for intelligent, sociopathic villains.

I already got spoiled on who that character you're talking about is due to a promo and also accidentally saw a picture of Vane with a noose around his neck when I was deciding whether or not to try to watch this show again. Rogers should be fun though, looking forward to that.

Does Bartholomew Roberts ever show up? He's the only real big one I can think of who I've seen no mention of.

I don't recall any mention of Roberts. Another one they chose to leave out (at least so far) is Mary Read, even though Rackham and Bonny play such prominent roles in the show. But I am not too bothered about some omissions/changes. I look at the Black Sails/Treasure Island verse as being a sort of alternative time line, so things don't necessarily have to occur the same way they did historically.

Even though the Spanish technically won the day, I feel like the pirates still came out the better. The forces of Spain wrecked any existing infrastructure that could have helped them maintain a position there for an extended period of time. And that is assuming they even stay after raising most of the island.

Also, other than Madi, all the key players on the pirate side managed to make it out, despite the odds against them. And now they have a ton of fresh forces to boot. Not sure how Madi's death will affect her mother though.

So, Rogers' decisions obliterated the thing he was supposed to govern, his wife (and unborn child) is dead, and the only sizable military force on his side has no real obligation or loyalty to him. Neither he nor the Spanish got the treasure back either. Not to mention he pissed Max off, so he might end up with the Guthries coming after him as well now, if she and Jack can reach them.

All in all, not looking good for Woodes.

God damn the season 2 finale was something special. Best episode of the series so far, and it elevated this show to one of my favorites. Season 2 in general was damn good. Pretty hyped for season 3 now. I'm glad I got on this late so I could binge it all.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
God damn the season 2 finale was something special. Best episode of the series so far, and it elevated this show to one of my favorites. Season 2 in general was damn good. Pretty hyped for season 3 now. I'm glad I got on this late so I could binge it all.

Season 3 also has a pretty spectacular final episode. Every season finale has been good so far, IMO.

I just saw the Ep where Silver betrays Billy. It pretty much cements Israel Hand as the most dominant fighter in the series. Totally OP.

Jesus fking Christ @ Rogers

Blackbeards death was the most brutal thing I've seen on TV. FFS. Still, he went out like a badass. Smiled at Rogers before the keelhauling, and smiled at him after. That scene had my jaw hanging open.

I couldn't believe Rackham just surrendering though, considering the fact that it's pretty clear what happens to pirates at this point. He had the bigger ship, the bigger crew, and more guns. They could have easily bargained for Blackbeard and Anne. I honestly thought Rackham had an epic plan in the works. This was Calico Jack and Blackbeard together, and both are made out to be brilliant/talented. Rogers punked tf out of them. I assumed both Rogers and Blackbeard would survive due to history. I should have taken VaultDwellers "Well, the show takes some liberties with historical fact," more seriously lol. This wouldn't have blindsided me so badly.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
I just saw the Ep where Silver betrays Billy. It pretty much cements Israel Hand as the most dominant fighter in the series. Totally OP.

Yeah, that managed to be both extremely brutal, yet ridiculously swift, all at once. Billy never stood a chance.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Jesus fking Christ @ Rogers

Blackbeards death was the most brutal thing I've seen on TV. FFS. Still, he went out like a badass. Smiled at Rogers before the keelhauling, and smiled at him after. That scene had my jaw hanging open.

I couldn't believe Rackham just surrendering though, considering the fact that it's pretty clear what happens to pirates at this point. He had the bigger ship, the bigger crew, and more guns. They could have easily bargained for Blackbeard and Anne. I honestly thought Rackham had an epic plan in the works. This was Calico Jack and Blackbeard together, and both are made out to be brilliant/talented. Rogers punked tf out of them. I assumed both Rogers and Blackbeard would survive due to history. I should have taken VaultDwellers "Well, the show takes some liberties with historical fact," more seriously lol. This wouldn't have blindsided me so badly.

Well, Jack wasn't going to risk Anne getting killed in the crossfire. It's his weak point. We've seen him make sacrifices (sometimes irrational) for her sake on multiple occasions before, often to his own detriment.

I also didn't expect Teach to die there. I actually expected them to keelhaul him one more time, only to find him missing from the ropes or something, and have him return at a later point.

But this also shows you what I mean with regards to Rogers being an extremely brutal and formidable enemy. He's as psychotic and bloodthirsty as any of the pirates when he wants to be.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, that managed to be both extremely brutal, yet ridiculously swift, all at once. Billy never stood a chance.

It was especially shocking considering how well Billy has performed against Vane and Flint. They were pretty much the top-tier, yet Israel is next level.

Israel Hands is a badass and it's fitting considering he was one of Teach's top men, right?

He's playing the devil on Silver's shoulder very well. One of the better characters, despite little screen time.

Also of note, he's both a real and fictional pirate. As the show generally has one or the other.

Israel was Blackbeard's #2 before Vane. Teach basically betrayed him once Nassau was his. And according to both Silver and Hands himself, it was basically him doing the lion's share of sacking Nassau the first time around.

Also I'm kind of disappointed in Rogers. His refusal to take blame for his actions and put is all on his dead wife/baby mama who had a very sound plan that would've only sacrificed his pride for a time is just...sad. He's a brutal, savage, cunning enemy. And a great tactician. I thought he'd be man enough to accept that because he was a big baby and snitched to England's enemy, his wife and child are dead. It's all Eleanor's fault and the Handmaiden's fault for whispering in her ear.

Also I hope they didn't survive Madi just to kill her off later.

^All true about Israel, though it still doesn't explain the sheer width of the gap. He absolutely destroyed someone who is barely below the previous top-tiers. Why would Blackbeard's right hand man be so much more effective?


Edit: Then again, he willingly serves Silver, so I guess he values vision and wit over physical prowess.

Originally posted by KingD19
Also I'm kind of disappointed in Rogers. His refusal to take blame for his actions and put is all on his dead wife/baby mama who had a very sound plan that would've only sacrificed his pride for a time is just...sad. He's a brutal, savage, cunning enemy. And a great tactician. I thought he'd be man enough to accept that because he was a big baby and snitched to England's enemy, his wife and child are dead. It's all Eleanor's fault and the Handmaiden's fault for whispering in her ear.

To be fair, he didn't really blame Eleanor so much as the handmaiden. He seemed convinced that Eleanor only did what she did because of external influence. He also kept whispering "I'm sorry" when he was looking at her body, so he does feel guilt. And considering what he had learned about the handmaiden, with regards to Rackham and the Spanish, as well as her previous history of being an informant and manipulating people, you can't blame the guy for being paranoid.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
^All true about Israel, though it still doesn't explain the sheer width of the gap. He absolutely destroyed someone who is barely below the previous top-tiers. Why would Blackbeard's right hand man be so much more effective?


Edit: Then again, he willingly serves Silver, so I guess he values vision and wit over physical prowess.

He's not a leader-type, be could likely kill most men on 1v1, but that doesn't make someone a good leader, at least not for long. He probably knows that and is content being behind the scenes, whispering into a charismatic captain's ear.

Originally posted by Robtard
He's not a leader-type, be could likely kill most men on 1v1, but that doesn't make someone a good leader, at least not for long. He probably knows that and is content being behind the scenes, whispering into a charismatic captain's ear.

Makes sense. Keep a relatively low profile while still holding a degree of influence. I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the bigger decisions Silver has made recently happened after exchanges with Hands. Which also shows that the guy is definitely not stupid either. He doesn't have the charisma to have people follow him, so he finds a position where he can still have an effect while staying out of the limelight. First with Teach. Now with Silver.

Exactly.

I do think he's the 'devil on your shoulder', who will slyly point Silver down a dark path.

The writers have basically said Hands is the driving I fluence into turning John into The Long John Silver.

Makes sense. He's clearly trying to drive a wedge between Silver and Flint, wanting Silver to be the single undisputed leader of the pirate group while himself as the righthand.

I'm finally caught up in this show. It's been an outstanding ride. I'm glad I was able to marathon it all at once.

Flint, Silver, Vane, Rackham, and Rogers are all the best characters by far.

I like the subtle game of chess Rackham and Rogers have been playing since Rogers introduction. They've been constantly outdoing each other, and it looks like Rackham is going to get the last laugh. It honestly reminds me of a Spy vs Spy skit with them lol. These two have actually turned out to be my favorites. I preferred their entire conflict to everything happening with Flint, Bones, and Silver.

Flint, I hated the first two seasons. He was a heartless tool. He's grown on me exponentially these past two seasons. Every choice he makes is for the greater good. There is no emotion in it. He's a good and strong leader.

Silver has had the best character development of all, though for the worse. He's devolved into a more hatable and selfish character. His entire reputation and name was built by Billy, who he betrayed and tried to kill. This was a pretty major dick move. He was originally my favorite character when he was a more light and good hearted person just trying to survive. His new king persona isn't nearly as likable, though it is badass.

Originally posted by Arachnid1


Silver has had the best character development of all, though for the worse. He's devolved into a more hatable and selfish character. His entire reputation and name was built by Billy, who he betrayed and tried to kill. This was a pretty major dick move. He was originally my favorite character when he was a more light and good hearted person just trying to survive. His new king persona isn't nearly as likable, though it is badass.


Well, he's supposed to be hatable and selfish along with charming and lighthearted as he is "Long John Silver", who has more emotions than pretty much the entire cast of Treasure Island. However, Billy brought that on himself 100%. He was so focused on making John betray Flint(which is another dick move) that he ignored Flint and Madi's logical argument about the slaves, which in turn turned all the slaves against them just like they said it would. Billy was the only bargaining chip they had to get the entire slave population on their side, which they sorely needed.

If Billy had just gone with the plan in the first place, it would have been a smooth takeover. Also, you're saying you wouldn't want revenge on the guy who got for instance say, your mother beaten to a bloody crisp with a flaming thatch broom? All because he was so gung ho about the here and now that he willingly ignored the future ramifications.

Originally posted by KingD19
Well, he's supposed to be hatable and selfish along with charming and lighthearted as he is "Long John Silver", who has more emotions than pretty much the entire cast of Treasure Island. However, Billy brought that on himself 100%. He was so focused on making John betray Flint(which is another dick move) that he ignored Flint and Madi's logical argument about the slaves, which in turn turned all the slaves against them just like they said it would. Billy was the only bargaining chip they had to get the entire slave population on their side, which they sorely needed.

If Billy had just gone with the plan in the first place, it would have been a smooth takeover. Also, you're saying you wouldn't want revenge on the guy who got for instance say, your mother beaten to a bloody crisp with a flaming thatch broom? All because he was so gung ho about the here and now that he willingly ignored the future ramifications. Agreed but Billy has still caused more good so far than bad. That was a stupid emotional move on his part that made no sense. It was like the writers just threw that in for the drama. He also still brought all his men to the battle following that completely saving Silver and Flints ass, not to mention securing Max as a bargaining chip preventing her from reaching the Fort.

And even before that, Billy contributed tons. That lone instance wasn't enough to order him dead or tortured. Especially when Silver himself committed worse sins like repeatedly screwing over the crew before he became it's voice. Flint also has done worse than that by far. Neither of them ended up trying to kill the other over any of it (Flint not killing Silver for stealing the Urca gold from under him for example).

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Agreed but Billy has still caused more good so far than bad. That was a stupid emotional move on his part that made no sense. It was like the writers just threw that in for the drama. He also still brought all his men to the battle following that completely saving Silver and Flints ass, not to mention securing Max as a bargaining chip preventing her from reaching the Fort.

And even before that, Billy contributed tons. That lone instance wasn't enough to order him dead or tortured. Especially when Silver himself committed worse sins like repeatedly screwing over the crew before he became it's voice. Flint also has done worse than that by far. Neither of them ended up trying to kill the other over any of it (Flint not killing Silver for stealing the Urca gold from under him for example).

All of the good Billy did before and after don't matter, even though he has been instrumental in this whole thing since episode 1. It's only the bad he did right then and there, as it goes far beyond just the pirates and rebels. Once the slaves got involved, they became equals as that was the whole point of freeing them. So now you have hundreds of people upset because of the dozens if not more than that killed and injured because Billy was so focused on being better than Flint, or getting revenge from seasons ago that he ignored both he and Madi(leader of all the slaves) who agreed and had sound, rational logic. So the only way to appease a third if not more of the forces they had was to offer Billy up on a platter. Putting in the caveat of keeping him alive shows just how hard it was for him to make the order.

But also at the plantation, Billy fully attempted to kill Flint and it seems Madi as well. For John to not have killed him simply over that was amazing, as Madi is Silver's unnamed wife I'm assuming from the books who looks after his affairs while he's out being a scoundrel.

Even when Silver f*cked everyone over, he found ways out because he was still useful in some ways, and he's pretty much the most devious f*cker on the show. Billy's kinda like Ned Stark in that he wears his emotions on his sleeve, and has no problem fully explaining what he wants and means. So he's far less able to do more than brute force or appeal his way through situations like that.

The rebels fully belong to John now. Flint's still at his side and his position is strengthened because ironically Billy trying to force them apart pushed them closer together. And now after imo being rightfully sentenced, he's fully cooperating with Rogers. I don't know if it's gonna be John, Flint, Hands, or even Madi. But someone is gonna gut Billy Bones.

Finally caught the finale. A great end to an amazing show.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Finally caught the finale. A great end to an amazing show. Weak finale IMO. It wrapped up everything to nice and happily for the pirates. The pirate age does not have a happy ending for those guys. I don't watch shows about pirates to learn that love conquers all or anything sappy like that. The only thing I liked was the resolution to Jack and Rogers beef. Holy hell was that satisfying (I know thats not how things ended for Rogers IRL, but I like to believe he stayed rotting in prision in the story and never returned to govern Nassau again). Despite that, I would have liked to get a real resolution to Jack and Bonny's story other than "they continued being pirates". Their story already had a dramatic ending IRL. Translate that over.

It also never really gave any true resolution to Flints story. Treasure Island already told us how he died before the show but how did he get there? They wouldn't allow him to leave the plantation, and it's not like he would leave with his love interest there. How did he end up where he was?

I'm also disappointed in certain Treasure Island characters not being translated over. Multiple characters were supposed to have been part of Flints crew when he was active but were never given life in the show. I would have liked to have Pew or Dr. Livesey translated over.

The only characters endings I can accept are Silvers and Billys, because it at least pointed towards setting up where they were going in Treasure Island. You can connect the dots for them.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Despite that, I would have liked to get a real resolution to Jack and Bonny's story other than "they continued being pirates". Their story already had a dramatic ending IRL. Translate that over.

Well, they ended their story with a nod to real life history, with "Mark" (Mary) Read joining up with the crew.

It ends with the hints that Jack's going to be getting into another MFF threeway. That's a proper ending, imho.

I have no issues with the lack of historical accuracy. The show has never been about keeping faithful to history, and that attitude rightly extended to Treasure Island. I think they were more concerned with telling an epic story, which they certainly did. What I really liked:

1) The final battle. Awesomely executed.
2) Rogers defeat. The way it paralleled his conquering of Blackbeard was masterful, and showcased just how dangerous the man really was. Since his first appearance, he was one genius against at least seven others, and he stretched all of them to their absolute limit.
3) Flint is the King, as far as combat was concerned. He destroyed Israel as easily as he defeated Billy.
4) Flint's end works far better than his ending in Treasure Island. IIRC, he drank himself to death, yet the character we were given could never fall into such a self-pitying end. Having the love of his life returned to him would be the only thing that could calm him.
5) Silver's ending was weak, and really undermined his character.
6) Roger's really should have won. If he'd ever acquired a partner half as competent and consistent as he was, the war would have been over in weeks.

Is this show good?

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Is this show good?


Depends.


Are you a masochist?

That bad, huh?

Well, I thought that maybe a show about pirates would be fun. Some good swashbuckling fun... not the case?

I liked it for the most part, but it is by no means perfect. One of the main issues is it can be very slow moving at times. Certain plot points drag on for longer than is necessary or engaging to the viewer. It had some really great characters though. Woodes Rogers is the GOAT.

Also, some of the scenes can be pretty brutal. A particularly notable example is the keelhauling of Blackbeard.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I liked it for the most part, but it is by no means perfect. One of the main issues is it can be very slow moving at times. Certain plot points drag on for longer than is necessary or engaging to the viewer. It had some really great characters though. Woodes Rogers is the GOAT.

Pretty much agree with this. It was all-in-all, an entertaining show, despite the dips in story/plots.

I've considered re-watching it. But I have so many new shows, not sure I want to give up that time.

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty much agree with this. It was all-in-all, an entertaining show, despite the dips in story/plots.

I've considered re-watching it. But I have so many new shows, not sure I want to give up that time.

Yeah, I've considered rewatching it myself. But, as you said, there are a lot of other things to watch at the moment. Beyond still finishing up things like Altered Carbon S2, I finally got around to starting on Peaky Blinders (I'm a bit late to the party there, by like 5 seasons lol), which has been pretty good so far. And, IIRC, Black Sails didn't exactly have anyone's idea of short episodes.

I juts finished Altered S2. I gave up on Peaky after season 3, iirc. Was good, but went to shit.

Black Sails is 38 episodes, they're all around an hour long, some are 70-75mins iirc. So that'd be a commitment for a re-watch.