Star Trek universe (Reboot) vs. Riddick (universe)

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quanchi112
The two Star Trek films vs. the three Riddick films in an intergalactic war. Each character and monster seen or implied on screen in an alliance against the other.

Which universe prevails here ?

jaden101
Think the necros would probably sweep aside the federation with relative ease. Strategic red matter deployment and transwarp beaming would be key to that not happening. It could be scripted that certain ways would give a chance to the federation and others from ST and they certainly have the problem solving advantage over the morons in the Riddick universe. But overall power goes to the necros. I think they could sweep ST aside before they could do much about it.

Riddickverse 7/10

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by jaden101
Think the necros would probably sweep aside the federation with relative ease. Strategic red matter deployment and transwarp beaming would be key to that not happening. It could be scripted that certain ways would give a chance to the federation and others from ST and they certainly have the problem solving advantage over the morons in the Riddick universe. But overall power goes to the necros. I think they could sweep ST aside before they could do much about it.

Riddickverse 7/10


Agreed

Lord Marshal kills Khan just for fun.

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
Think the necros would probably sweep aside the federation with relative ease. Strategic red matter deployment and transwarp beaming would be key to that not happening. It could be scripted that certain ways would give a chance to the federation and others from ST and they certainly have the problem solving advantage over the morons in the Riddick universe. But overall power goes to the necros. I think they could sweep ST aside before they could do much about it.

Riddickverse 7/10 Based on what would they sweep aside the Federation easily ?

You also have multiple Klingons, Narada, and the Dreadnaught manned by Khan himself.


They also have teleportational abilities. Your turn.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Agreed

Lord Marshal kills Khan just for fun. Based on ?

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

He's stronger and much much faster than Khan. He could've killed Riddick easily. Lod Marshal would be a meta human in comics, beyond Khan's paygrade...even Data's, but he's not in the NuTrek.

playa1258
Have not seen anything from the Necromorphs that put them over the Federation.

Tattoos N Scars
COriginally posted by playa1258
Have not seen anything from the Necromorphs that put them over the Federation.


Classic Federation, I agree.

DTM
Did the Necromorphs ever have space battles, I remember they had big ships, but dont remember them ever using them to fight in space with other forces. If thats the case, how do we assume they sweep out the Federation, let alone Neros future mining ship, which was capable of demolishing a Fleet of starsips with ease.

jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what would they sweep aside the Federation easily ?

You also have multiple Klingons, Narada, and the Dreadnaught manned by Khan himself.


They also have teleportational abilities. Your turn.

Based on massively superior numbers. Planet killing weapons. Shock and awe tactics designed specifically to overwhelm planetary defences (of which none have been shown in reboot ST anyway.

Based on the fact that 1 mining ship and 1 warship aren't going to make a very big difference and neither are a handful of Klingons with a couple of small, apparently poorly defended ships against an armada of warrior ships, fighters, command ships etc.

Like I say though. There are scripted means for ST to win using specific technology such as the red matter and the fact that the characters from ST appear to be more adaptable and cunning than the generally stupid Necromonger commanders like Vaako.

If you take character personality out of the equation and just put it tech against tech then the necro empire comes out on top. If you pit characters against each other in 1 on 1 combat then Riddick would take out spock, kirk and Sulu and the Lord commander would stomp Khan.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
He's stronger and much much faster than Khan. He could've killed Riddick easily. Lod Marshal would be a meta human in comics, beyond Khan's paygrade...even Data's, but he's not in the NuTrek. How is he stronger than Khan ? Care to explain your reasoning. I know it won't make sense but I feel like laughing at someone right now.

There are no levels in these films you moron. Kira stabbed the dummy for Pete's sake.


Khan would annihilate this shitty ruler.

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
Based on massively superior numbers. Planet killing weapons. Shock and awe tactics designed specifically to overwhelm planetary defences (of which none have been shown in reboot ST anyway.

Based on the fact that 1 mining ship and 1 warship aren't going to make a very big difference and neither are a handful of Klingons with a couple of small, apparently poorly defended ships against an armada of warrior ships, fighters, command ships etc.

Like I say though. There are scripted means for ST to win using specific technology such as the red matter and the fact that the characters from ST appear to be more adaptable and cunning than the generally stupid Necromonger commanders like Vaako.

If you take character personality out of the equation and just put it tech against tech then the necro empire comes out on top. If you pit characters against each other in 1 on 1 combat then Riddick would take out spock, kirk and Sulu and the Lord commander would stomp Khan. Where are you getting this massive superior numbers idea from ? Are you just pulling it out of the air ?

Nero himself takes out a planet and far quicker than the Necros that is for sure. Red matter, kiddo. Funny how you say world destroying weapons and ignore the superior world destroying weapon employed by Nu trek.

The Narada is a futuristic mining ship superior to multiple Klingon and Federation vessels. Now you want to just pretend it is a mining ship. laughing out loud

The teleportational abilities, superior ships, shielding technologies, superior numbers as this is based off multiple planets, and intergalactic forces far greater in number than the riddick verse.


The necroverse empire didn't look superior at all to the Federation, Narada, Klingon, and Dreadnaught forces on screen seen in the Star Trek universe.


Oh please. Riddick himself sneaks around and goes on the Necros ship to take on The Lord marshal. Riddick lacks Khan's training, intelligence, weaponry, cellular regeneration, etc. yet resists the soul steal and manages to win with help from a few others due to Lord Marshal not being impressive enough to kill him.

jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
Where are you getting this massive superior numbers idea from ? Are you just pulling it out of the air ?

Nero himself takes out a planet and far quicker than the Necros that is for sure. Red matter, kiddo. Funny how you say world destroying weapons and ignore the superior world destroying weapon employed by Nu trek.

The Narada is a futuristic mining ship superior to multiple Klingon and Federation vessels. Now you want to just pretend it is a mining ship. laughing out loud

The teleportational abilities, superior ships, shielding technologies, superior numbers as this is based off multiple planets, and intergalactic forces far greater in number than the riddick verse.


The necroverse empire didn't look superior at all to the Federation, Narada, Klingon, and Dreadnaught forces on screen seen in the Star Trek universe.


Oh please. Riddick himself sneaks around and goes on the Necros ship to take on The Lord marshal. Riddick lacks Khan's training, intelligence, weaponry, cellular regeneration, etc. yet resists the soul steal and manages to win with help from a few others due to Lord Marshal not being impressive enough to kill him.

You're clearly a moron that either can't read or has a very short attention span.

The invasion of Helion Prime and the opening scene from Chronicles of Riddick show vastly larger numbers than the 47 Klingon ships and 10 starfleet ships, Narada and Vengeance. Have you even watched it? Each tower deploys hundreds of fighters. The opening scene showed about 20 towers on 1 side of the planet. So if there was the same number on the other side that's 40 towers deploying say 200 fighters at a conservative estimate. That's 8000 fighters and that's before the 10's of thousands of infantry or its warships which can be seen in the background of the Helion Prime invasion in huge numbers.
Trying to argue that Trek has superior numbers on the basis of it having 'multiple planets' regardless of what numbers is shown on screen is the tactics of the defeated and the weak. Reboot trek has all of 5 named planets. Earth, Vulcan, Qo'nos and Romulus and Nibiru. The Helion system in CoR has 5 inhabited planets by itself.

There's no getting around the fact that the Narada is a mining ship. Because that's what it is. Stated on screen. Just because it's futuristic compared to the other ships in reboot trek doesn't make it the all conquering super warship you want it to be.

You say I ignored red matter when I clearly mentioned it in both my posts. You ignore the fact that it's not actually a weapon. Only used as such by Nero the miner. You say that the Narada can destroy a planet far quicker than the Necromonger weapon yet it takes ages for the Narada to burrow to the planet core and deploy red matter. The necro weapons smash into the planet and can be deployed and the push of a switch whenever the necromongers choose.

Just because you have sexual urges over Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't make Khan in any way, shape or form, close to the Lord Marshall in power or ability. And clearly Riddick is far superior to the 3 fighters of the enterprise crew.

You've lost

Again.

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by quanchi112
How is he stronger than Khan ? Care to explain your reasoning. I know it won't make sense but I feel like laughing at someone right now.

There are no levels in these films you moron. Kira stabbed the dummy for Pete's sake.


Khan would annihilate this shitty ruler.

If you can't see Lord Marshall is stronger and faster than Khan, then you're an f'n moron. Quit jackin off to Cumber**** and debate logically for once, gay boy.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
If you can't see Lord Marshall is stronger and faster than Khan, then you're an f'n moron. Quit jackin off to Cumber**** and debate logically for once, gay boy. I never said he was not faster but stronger don't be stupid.

Khan recovers quickly and can't even be hurt by human strength while just tanking his attacks.

Khan breaks skulls when Marshall needs a weapon due to not physically be able to take Riddick by strength despite the dozens of attacks he successfully lands on him.

laughing out loud

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
You're clearly a moron that either can't read or has a very short attention span.

The invasion of Helion Prime and the opening scene from Chronicles of Riddick show vastly larger numbers than the 47 Klingon ships and 10 starfleet ships, Narada and Vengeance. Have you even watched it? Each tower deploys hundreds of fighters. The opening scene showed about 20 towers on 1 side of the planet. So if there was the same number on the other side that's 40 towers deploying say 200 fighters at a conservative estimate. That's 8000 fighters and that's before the 10's of thousands of infantry or its warships which can be seen in the background of the Helion Prime invasion in huge numbers.
Trying to argue that Trek has superior numbers on the basis of it having 'multiple planets' regardless of what numbers is shown on screen is the tactics of the defeated and the weak. Reboot trek has all of 5 named planets. Earth, Vulcan, Qo'nos and Romulus and Nibiru. The Helion system in CoR has 5 inhabited planets by itself.

There's no getting around the fact that the Narada is a mining ship. Because that's what it is. Stated on screen. Just because it's futuristic compared to the other ships in reboot trek doesn't make it the all conquering super warship you want it to be.

You say I ignored red matter when I clearly mentioned it in both my posts. You ignore the fact that it's not actually a weapon. Only used as such by Nero the miner. You say that the Narada can destroy a planet far quicker than the Necromonger weapon yet it takes ages for the Narada to burrow to the planet core and deploy red matter. The necro weapons smash into the planet and can be deployed and the push of a switch whenever the necromongers choose.

Just because you have sexual urges over Benedict Cumberbatch doesn't make Khan in any way, shape or form, close to the Lord Marshall in power or ability. And clearly Riddick is far superior to the 3 fighters of the enterprise crew.

You've lost

Again. We don't see all the fighters and no it isn't anywhere near as impressive as the ships and the capabilities demonstrated by Star Trek ships. Narada, Dreadnaught, etc. They have shielding and torpedoes and weapons vastly more impressive than what we see from the Necros. They conquer a planet with weak defenses in a day not comparable to the Federation, etc.


Nero is here so it will be used as a weapon making your post both stupid and moot.


laughing out loud

It didn't take long to burrow inside the planet and to be used. Narada crew accomplished this task relatively quickly. They destroyed an entire planet.

Khan is smarter, stronger, can recover far faster, and is far more skilled than The Lord marshal is in every way save speed. The fact this upsets you only makes this the icing on the cake.

KingD19
Riddick as a Furyan is clearly several leagues above humans. And Khan never sent anybody flying like Marshal did to Riddick.

quanchi112
Originally posted by KingD19
Riddick as a Furyan is clearly several leagues above humans. And Khan never sent anybody flying like Marshal did to Riddick. Khan sent people flying various times in the film and didn't need to move as fast as Lord Marshal to do so. Khan is far stronger than the quick and inept Marshal.


All those hits and he couldn't even critically injure Riddick.

laughing out loud

jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't see all the fighters and no it isn't anywhere near as impressive as the ships and the capabilities demonstrated by Star Trek ships. Narada, Dreadnaught, etc. They have shielding and torpedoes and weapons vastly more impressive than what we see from the Necros. They conquer a planet with weak defenses in a day not comparable to the Federation, etc.


Nero is here so it will be used as a weapon making your post both stupid and moot.


laughing out loud

It didn't take long to burrow inside the planet and to be used. Narada crew accomplished this task relatively quickly. They destroyed an entire planet.

Khan is smarter, stronger, can recover far faster, and is far more skilled than The Lord marshal is in every way save speed. The fact this upsets you only makes this the icing on the cake.

The capabilities of the star trek ships being constantly getting blown to pieces. Great feats. I notice you're no longer arguing the point about numbers. Concession accepted.

Yes, Nero used the red matter as a weapon to destroy a planet. The Necros don't reside on a planet. You lose again.

The fact that you're even arguing that Khan has even a sniff of a chance against the Lord Marshall shows how stupid you are. I think you might have borderline mental retardation. Tragic.

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan sent people flying various times in the film and didn't need to move as fast as Lord Marshal to do so. Khan is far stronger than the quick and inept Marshal.


All those hits and he couldn't even critically injure Riddick.

laughing out loud

Khan couldn't KO Spock, so what's your point? Spock even messed up your boy Khan's face. Pathetic.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Khan couldn't KO Spock, so what's your point? Spock even messed up your boy Khan's face. Pathetic. Khan was about to kill Spock when he was saved by his own strength. Lords marshal begged for help right before he died. Weak man like yourself.

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
The capabilities of the star trek ships being constantly getting blown to pieces. Great feats. I notice you're no longer arguing the point about numbers. Concession accepted.

Yes, Nero used the red matter as a weapon to destroy a planet. The Necros don't reside on a planet. You lose again.

The fact that you're even arguing that Khan has even a sniff of a chance against the Lord Marshall shows how stupid you are. I think you might have borderline mental retardation. Tragic. Due to futuristic technology or a ship designed solely for combat.

The red matter can destroy their mother ship. laughing out loud


Khan is smarter, has superior healing abilities, and superior weaponry, and has superior strength.

Lord Marshal is overrated. Most of his speed wins points not fights. Look how many attacks Riddick outright tanked.

playa1258
Fighters have always been shit in Star Trek. Phasers wreck them.

jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to futuristic technology or a ship designed solely for combat.

The red matter can destroy their mother ship. laughing out loud


Khan is smarter, has superior healing abilities, and superior weaponry, and has superior strength.

Lord Marshal is overrated. Most of his speed wins points not fights. Look how many attacks Riddick outright tanked.

1. The Narada is only 'futuristic' compared to the rest of the shitty ST vessels.

2. The entire Necromonger fleet and their entire civilisation is designed to conquer other civilisations

3. Using red matter to destroy a ship is possible cause it happened to that shitty mining ship. It wasn't used as a targeted weapon in that manner in ST though. And it took all of it to do it.

4. Khan loses to the Lord Marshall and loses in a ***** stomp. Lord Marshall takes his soul. The end.

Tattoos N Scars
Originally posted by quanchi112
Khan is a pussy, much like myself!!


Agreed

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
1. The Narada is only 'futuristic' compared to the rest of the shitty ST vessels.

2. The entire Necromonger fleet and their entire civilisation is designed to conquer other civilisations

3. Using red matter to destroy a ship is possible cause it happened to that shitty mining ship. It wasn't used as a targeted weapon in that manner in ST though. And it took all of it to do it.

4. Khan loses to the Lord Marshall and loses in a ***** stomp. Lord Marshall takes his soul. The end. 1. The St vessels showed greater combat and weaponry capabilities than the necroverse ships. That is for sure.

2. Yes, an entire civilization designed to bring more into the fold and conquer planet by planet is needed whereas in Star Trek you have vessels and weapons capable of doing so rather quickly.

3. They could teleport the red matter in anywhere. Do they have shielding that can prevent such a tactic ? Saying mining vessel when it has greater feats than any crappy Necroverse ship is well, fanboyism.

4. All you have to do is resist by strength of will. Khan has one of the most formidable sense of himself than most characters. Khan would wreck the guy not strong enough to defeat a Furyan. Poor thing was grabbing weapons and begging for others to help him. He isn't strong nor brilliant by any means.

jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
blah blah blah. Things. Stuff. Gibberish. I love Benedict Cumberbatch and Matthew McConaughey and want them to double team me.

Come back when your fleets of star trek ships don't all get destroyed cos the current standings are that star trek had 1 ship survive and the necro empire had 1 destroyed.

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
Come back when your fleets of star trek ships don't all get destroyed cos the current standings are that star trek had 1 ship survive and the necro empire had 1 destroyed. Superior capabilities, weaponry, transportational abilities, and red matter.

You not being able to respond is further making the point you're a clod who couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag.

jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superior capabilities, weaponry, transportational abilities, and red matter.

You not being able to respond is further making the point you're a clod who couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag.

I don't need to respond further. I've defeated you again. To the point where you had to make stuff up. You didn't even know your own argument. I had to tell you how many ships and world's reboot trek had when you mindlessly bleated about superior numbers. When proven wrong you never brought it up again. All your ships were destroyed except 1 which was extremely badly damaged. Only 1 necro ship was destroyed. The combined planetary defences reboot trek has shown to try and repel a necro attack has been...none. Zero. Zilch. Nada. The total number of species conquered by your beloved ST bunch combined? Zero. Nil. None.

If it was a mining competition or a gay face tattoos competition or a 'how to make exaggerated movements with your mouth while saying your own name' competition then I'm sure your Star Trek bunch would win. But it's not any of those things. So you lose.

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
I don't need to respond further. I've defeated you again. To the point where you had to make stuff up. You didn't even know your own argument. I had to tell you how many ships and world's reboot trek had when you mindlessly bleated about superior numbers. When proven wrong you never brought it up again. All your ships were destroyed except 1 which was extremely badly damaged. Only 1 necro ship was destroyed. The combined planetary defences reboot trek has shown to try and repel a necro attack has been...none. Zero. Zilch. Nada. The total number of species conquered by your beloved ST bunch combined? Zero. Nil. None.

If it was a mining competition or a gay face tattoos competition or a 'how to make exaggerated movements with your mouth while saying your own name' competition then I'm sure your Star Trek bunch would win. But it's not any of those things. So you lose. Incorrect as you are going off of implied which you greatly lose even harder if you want to look at it that way. Along with the fact the necroverse ships have no feats to prove how capable or now powerful they are.


Dude, they don't have to fortify one planet or use their combined forces to defeat a planet. We see despite their entire might Riddick escape and kill the leader of the necroverse himself. Outside the Necros the verse has nothing whereas Trek has the Federation, Klingons, Narada, Dreadnaught, and Khan.


The Narada based off feats, abilities, firepower would annihilate a vast amount of Necro ships. Back up your case.

jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
Incorrect as you are going off of implied which you greatly lose even harder if you want to look at it that way. Along with the fact the necroverse ships have no feats to prove how capable or now powerful they are.


Dude, they don't have to fortify one planet or use their combined forces to defeat a planet. We see despite their entire might Riddick escape and kill the leader of the necroverse himself. Outside the Necros the verse has nothing whereas Trek has the Federation, Klingons, Narada, Dreadnaught, and Khan.


The Narada based off feats, abilities, firepower would annihilate a vast amount of Necro ships. Back up your case.

1. Except for the whole, you know, conquering loads of planets, blowing planets up and almost wiping out a renowned warrior species. Compared with ST fleets and ships feats of almost entirely blown up.

2. Yes. We've established the numbers of ships your combined forces had and how it is massively inferior in numbers and feats than the necro empire. We can also establish from that classic deleted scene that the most powerful of all the ST ships, the Narada, was incapacitated by the USS Kelvin ramming into it and Nero captured by Klingons.

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quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
1. Except for the whole, you know, conquering loads of planets, blowing planets up and almost wiping out a renowned warrior species. Compared with ST fleets and ships feats of almost entirely blown up.

2. Yes. We've established the numbers of ships your combined forces had and how it is massively inferior in numbers and feats than the necro empire. We can also establish from that classic deleted scene that the most powerful of all the ST ships, the Narada, was incapacitated by the USS Kelvin ramming into it and Nero captured by Klingons.

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1. Off screen and what we see onscreen isn't that impressive considering the planetary defenses. They are blown up by superior firepower and weaponry unseen in the Chronicles of Riddick universe.

2. The ships have shields and have superior firepower. The Narada and Dreadnaught themselves would slaughter the featless necroverse ships.


That happened off screen and was due to a ship and captain that is on Star Treks side. Riddick meanwhile runs wild and a former Furyan betrays the necroverse to aid him against The Lord Marshal.

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jaden101
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Off screen and what we see onscreen isn't that impressive considering the planetary defenses. They are blown up by superior firepower and weaponry unseen in the Chronicles of Riddick universe.

2. The ships have shields and have superior firepower. The Narada and Dreadnaught themselves would slaughter the featless necroverse ships.


That happened off screen and was due to a ship and captain that is on Star Treks side. Riddick meanwhile runs wild and a former Furyan betrays the necroverse to aid him against The Lord Marshal.

1. It's stated on screen that they conquered several planets and destroyed the Furyans, who were considered to be the best warrior species.

2. Superior firepower based on??? The fact that they appear to fire hundreds upon hundreds or shots at one another and still don't put inferior ships down? Makes you wonder just how rubbish the Klingons are if the Kelvin and the Enterprise could take that much fire and still be going yet the Klingons were demolished and so was the rest of Star Fleet.

Esau Cairn
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what would they sweep aside the Federation easily ?

You also have multiple Klingons, Narada, and the Dreadnaught manned by Khan himself.




Dude, you keep stating the point that Khan manned the Dreadnaught...yeah for like 20 minutes before it's disabled & comes crashing into the earth's atmosphere!
That's not exactly heroic.
Plus the Dreadnaught was destroyed on it's maiden voyage...once again, not a very heroic trait.

quanchi112
Originally posted by jaden101
1. It's stated on screen that they conquered several planets and destroyed the Furyans, who were considered to be the best warrior species.

2. Superior firepower based on??? The fact that they appear to fire hundreds upon hundreds or shots at one another and still don't put inferior ships down? Makes you wonder just how rubbish the Klingons are if the Kelvin and the Enterprise could take that much fire and still be going yet the Klingons were demolished and so was the rest of Star Fleet.

1. Off screen means it lacks the context.

2. Based on feats. Shields. What ships have shielding in the Riddick verse ?

That was one daring, lucky move which resulted in the Kelvin's demise.

All of these ships have superior abilities via screen feats than the for the most part speculative Necro army.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Dude, you keep stating the point that Khan manned the Dreadnaught...yeah for like 20 minutes before it's disabled & comes crashing into the earth's atmosphere!
That's not exactly heroic.
Plus the Dreadnaught was destroyed on it's maiden voyage...once again, not a very heroic trait. Due to the torpedoes going off. That wasn't his fault.

That isn't relevant to this debate. The ship is vastly more powerful and with greater abilities, traveling speed, etc. Than the Necro ships.

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