Hellstrom vs Superman - so Abhi cant run and hide

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beatboks
OK because Abhi lacks the stones to do a BZ thread we'll do it here.

round 1 Daimon vs Pre52 Superman

Round 2 vs Pre COIE Superman (just to give Abhi a fighting chance)

abhilegend
Bwhahaha.


So you claim this is a bait thread? Anyway Superman oneshots this clown. Lulz @ using PC Superman though.

beatboks
First Abhi would like to contend that because Etrigan's hell fire hasn't put Superman down that Daimon's would also fail. Poor poor comparison.
When has Etrigan ever bested say Beron with hell fire the way that Daimon does Satan here
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586306-rage+and+fury+make+his+strength+ten+fold.jpg
Here with only hell fire he defeats a demon well above Etrigan in power (one of Satan's elite)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555822-don%27t+know+how+to+beg+2.jpg
He has also exhibited FAR greater control than any other hellion in fiction in the use of hell fire.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555778-acuit+control+of+soulfire.jpg

Not to mention that while Etrigan wields the hell fire of a demon Hellstrom wields the power of all hell itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3577005-netherium+saps+satan+of+his+powers.jpg
His power is the very power of the Lord of hell (any hell, the reason he defeats mephisto, Osiris etc)


Conversly Supes' heat vision aint doing jack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555757-you+call+this+power.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555758-you+call+this+power+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555773-bad+choice+to+want+hellstroms+power+2+.jpg
That same instance his hell fire actually destroyed an imortal infernal demon.

The elements even the very planet are his to command
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555779-daimon+commands+lightning.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555782-trident+commands+the+earth.jpg

Traversing time and space are but a thought
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555780-time+travel.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555781-traverse+through+hell.jpg

Whe he allows his full demon slef to take over the tears with his mystic talons (to which Superman will not be invulnerable having no protection from magic) the hides of demon hordes abart
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555806-hellstorm+v1+%239+-+page+18.jpg

He has stood up to the power of heaven itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555808-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+17.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555809-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+19.jpg

You compared Lobo's pathetic (by comparison ) regeneration to that of Daimon who can bring the dead back to life with a touch and heal instantly.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560634-healed+profeet+from+death.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560635-healing+touch.jpg

He can battle on the astral plane, in the mind or the soul
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560666-breaking+mind-stars+contact+with+other+worlds.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560667-controls+trident+by+mind.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560673-touching+and+hurting+gods.jpg

He can create duplicates, Superman could be fighting dozens of him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560702-daimon_hellstrom_-_venom_vol_2_41.jpg

Finally he creates force fields that can contain Dormammu and Black heart, yeah Superman should have no problem with them.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586354-traps+dormammu.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586353-sos%2Bvs%2Bblackheart%2B%284%29.jpg

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bwhahaha.


So you claim this is a bait thread? Anyway Superman oneshots this clown. Lulz @ using PC Superman though.

No bait, just wanted to make sure you showed up. Not that i expect much of a fight. No one shotting will be had because in character Superman won't go all out until it's too bloody late. Daimon can tank the blows of the type of attacks Superman would normally employ at the start of a fight, manipulate time so that Superman's speed is meaningless, erect force fields that Superman can't penetrate and then start using magic on a higher order than Superman has ever encountered ( and I haven't even shown the magic yet).

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
No bait, just wanted to make sure you showed up. Not that i expect much of a fight. No one shotting will be had because in character Superman won't go all out until it's too bloody late. Daimon can tank the blows of the type of attacks Superman would normally employ at the start of a fight, manipulate time so that Superman's speed is meaningless, erect force fields that Superman can't penetrate and then start using magic on a higher order than Superman has ever encountered ( and I haven't even shown the magic yet).

Suuuuure.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171861_3829498-venomvshellstrom1.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171862_3829500-venomvshellstrom2.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171863_3829501-venomvshellstrom3.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171864_3829503-venomvshellstrom4.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171865_3829504-venomvshellstrom5.jpg
Originally posted by beatboks
First Abhi would like to contend that because Etrigan's hell fire hasn't put Superman down that Daimon's would also fail. Poor poor comparison.
When has Etrigan ever bested say Beron with hell fire the way that Daimon does Satan here
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586306-rage+and+fury+make+his+strength+ten+fold.jpg
Here with only hell fire he defeats a demon well above Etrigan in power (one of Satan's elite)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555822-don%27t+know+how+to+beg+2.jpg
He has also exhibited FAR greater control than any other hellion in fiction in the use of hell fire.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555778-acuit+control+of+soulfire.jpg

Not to mention that while Etrigan wields the hell fire of a demon Hellstrom wields the power of all hell itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3577005-netherium+saps+satan+of+his+powers.jpg
His power is the very power of the Lord of hell (any hell, the reason he defeats mephisto, Osiris etc)


Conversly Supes' heat vision aint doing jack
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555757-you+call+this+power.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555758-you+call+this+power+2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555773-bad+choice+to+want+hellstroms+power+2+.jpg
That same instance his hell fire actually destroyed an imortal infernal demon.

The elements even the very planet are his to command
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555779-daimon+commands+lightning.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555782-trident+commands+the+earth.jpg

Traversing time and space are but a thought
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555780-time+travel.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555781-traverse+through+hell.jpg

Whe he allows his full demon slef to take over the tears with his mystic talons (to which Superman will not be invulnerable having no protection from magic) the hides of demon hordes abart
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555806-hellstorm+v1+%239+-+page+18.jpg

He has stood up to the power of heaven itself
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555808-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+17.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3555809-hellstorm+v1+%2310+-+page+19.jpg

You compared Lobo's pathetic (by comparison ) regeneration to that of Daimon who can bring the dead back to life with a touch and heal instantly.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560634-healed+profeet+from+death.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560635-healing+touch.jpg

He can battle on the astral plane, in the mind or the soul
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560666-breaking+mind-stars+contact+with+other+worlds.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560667-controls+trident+by+mind.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560673-touching+and+hurting+gods.jpg

He can create duplicates, Superman could be fighting dozens of him.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3560702-daimon_hellstrom_-_venom_vol_2_41.jpg

Finally he creates force fields that can contain Dormammu and Black heart, yeah Superman should have no problem with them.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586354-traps+dormammu.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586353-sos%2Bvs%2Bblackheart%2B%284%29.jpg
You're kidding, right? I'm no expert in marvel's mystic side but just a quick google search can tell me that you're full of it. The only scene worth in that post was the trapping of Dormammu from New Avengers 54 which was done by Strange, Voodoo and Hellstrom TOGETHER while Voodoo exorcised him from Earth. While in the Blackheart scene, the context is plainly stated in the scan. It wasn't Hellstrom's own power which did it.

http://i.imgur.com/RKPEEgw.jpg

If I want to omit context, a spell from Etrigan bound ****ing Spectre himself and he took on Sentinels of Magic on his own. But that took the wings of an angel and Morgaine had amped him against Sentinels.

I would really like the scans where Hellstrom channels this much power.

Cosmic Odyssey
Darkseid joins with Dr.Fate, Orion, Highfather, Etrigan they form the Cinque of Cosmic Power and they battle the Anti-Life Entity, which is actually the evil part of the Source. In the end they defeat it, but cutting it off form it’s own dimension by destroying the universe. So 1/5 of the power to destroy a universe was from Darkseid. Huge feat.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_171.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_172.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_173.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_174.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_175.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_176.jpg

High end feats FTW!!!

The rest of your scans are parlor tricks. Superman beats those kind of magicians before breakfast.

riv6672
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bwhahaha.


So you claim this is a bait thread?

It might be. It might not.
But you're a troll. My thread proves it.

abhilegend
Originally posted by riv6672
It might be. It might not.
But you're a troll. My thread proves it.
Oh, stop whining all the ****ing time.

riv6672
Stop your trolling.
You go first, and i'll cheer right up.smile

riv6672
And, as to the topic, Superman cant handle magic. He's a total wuss in it's presence. He's been bitten by vampires. A trident to the chest and this fight is over.

abhilegend
Originally posted by riv6672
Stop your trolling.
You go first, and i'll cheer right up.smile Originally posted by riv6672
And, as to the topic, Superman cant handle magic. He's a total wuss in it's presence. He's been bitten by vampires. A trident to the chest and this fight is over.
I'd ask you to stop trolling. Thank you.

riv6672
Zatanna could literally tell Superman to drop dead and he would.
Magic.
Its really a major weakness easily exploited. Reminds me of Wolverine quipping that Cypher's weakness was bullets.
Hellstrom's trident will work like it would on any normal person. Hack. Slash. Stab. He has the win rather easily.

abhilegend
Its like ICT has robbed whatever brain cells were left in your brain. Back to ignore, continue to spout whatever nonsense your mind can conjure.

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
Suuuuure.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171861_3829498-venomvshellstrom1.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171862_3829500-venomvshellstrom2.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171863_3829501-venomvshellstrom3.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171864_3829503-venomvshellstrom4.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/19171865_3829504-venomvshellstrom5.jpg

You're kidding, right? I'm no expert in marvel's mystic side but just a quick google search can tell me that you're full of it. The only scene worth in that post was the trapping of Dormammu from New Avengers 54 which was done by Strange, Voodoo and Hellstrom TOGETHER while Voodoo exorcised him from Earth. While in the Blackheart scene, the context is plainly stated in the scan. It wasn't Hellstrom's own power which did it.

http://i.imgur.com/RKPEEgw.jpg

If I want to omit context, a spell from Etrigan bound ****ing Spectre himself and he took on Sentinels of Magic on his own. But that took the wings of an angel and Morgaine had amped him against Sentinels.

I would really like the scans where Hellstrom channels this much power.

Cosmic Odyssey
Darkseid joins with Dr.Fate, Orion, Highfather, Etrigan they form the Cinque of Cosmic Power and they battle the Anti-Life Entity, which is actually the evil part of the Source. In the end they defeat it, but cutting it off form it’s own dimension by destroying the universe. So 1/5 of the power to destroy a universe was from Darkseid. Huge feat.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_171.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_172.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_173.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_174.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_175.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_176.jpg

High end feats FTW!!!

The rest of your scans are parlor tricks. Superman beats those kind of magicians before breakfast.

HA HA, THIS is what you call a comeback, pathetic. Even from you I expected more.

I also love the Hypocrisy of your last post. Since our talking about context please explain how the scans form the first battle between Agent Venom and Hellstrom (in which neither actually won) hlp Superman in the least. In that battle as i recall Daimon clearly told Flash that he would have been destroyed in an instant if he hadn't been branded by the power of Mephisto. Please show me anywhere where Superman has such protection ????? HMMMMM

In Avengers 54 Daimon put the shield around Dormammu (from which he could not escape) and the three worked together to exorcise him. Unless you can show me any feat of either Strange or Voodoo creating a shield out of hellfire (which is what it was formed from) then we're done on that one.

Hahah you talk about the Black heart scan as if it was an amp. It stated on panel it was the same power that EVERY native born sorcerer draws upon. The smallest known least powerful mystic from Marvel Earth draws the same power. This isn't an amp this is Hellstroms normal capability. This is the power he used to perform exorcisms back in the Silver Age prior to his demon heritage coming out. Back when he only had physical power that half a demon soul gave him (Strength of 100 men). back when he could only tap his hell/soulfire at night. He could still work basic magic of low order. Since the several upgrades that allow him his full demon soul however he adds the magic of hell to that (hence why he can outshine his brother in power)

riv6672
Good post!

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
HA HA, THIS is what you call a comeback, pathetic. Even from you I expected more. "I expected MOAR from youuuuuuu"!!!

Seriously? That's beyond cliched at this point.

The point of that scene was that Agent Venom can kick Hellstrom around. He then wins against Hellstrom and his demons too.

And Superman doesn't need protection from Hellstrom's puny attacks. His own durability is enough to tank any attack he can throw.

Oh, really?

http://i.imgur.com/3xcqhKE.jpg

Suffice to say I don't believe a single word you say at this point. Post the whole sequence if you have it.

He has Fantastic Four's archetypal power and mechamage as a conduit here?

http://i.imgur.com/DH6P9X1.jpg

One on one, Blackheart made Hellstrom his *****.

I don't believe you, when you've done nothing but lie here.

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
"I expected MOAR from youuuuuuu"!!!

Seriously? That's beyond cliched at this point.

The point of that scene was that Agent Venom can kick Hellstrom around. He then wins against Hellstrom and his demons too.

And Superman doesn't need protection from Hellstrom's puny attacks. His own durability is enough to tank any attack he can throw.

Oh, really?

http://i.imgur.com/3xcqhKE.jpg

Suffice to say I don't believe a single word you say at this point. Post the whole sequence if you have it.

He has Fantastic Four's archetypal power and mechamage as a conduit here?

http://i.imgur.com/DH6P9X1.jpg

One on one, Blackheart made Hellstrom his *****.

I don't believe you, when you've done nothing but lie here.

One on one?? Your own evidence clearly shows with the help of Selene. As usual ignore whatever context you don't like or doesn't suit you and twist what you think you can to provide a point where none exists.

But I'm the one who's lied ??? You haven't even disputed the highest feats raised ( which don't include either Blackheart or Dormammu), in fact you tried to deflect away from them by stating those you thought you had a contextual twist favoring your argument were better feats ( when they're not). Ignore the feats of Hellstrom defeating Satan a hell lord who has soloed almost all the others in marvel.

As soon as you. An show Superman enduring high level magical attacks ( without outside protection like that of Phantom Stranger) you'll have an argument.

abhilegend
Here is the full scene, not just a cherry-picked scan and "hellfire, LOL" comment.

http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172269_DormammuVsNewAvengers1.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172270_DormammuVsNewAvengers2.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172271_DormammuVsNewAvengers3.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172272_DormammuVsNewAvengers4.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172273_DormammuVsNewAvengers5.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172274_DormammuVsNewAvengers6.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172275_DormammuVsNewAvengers7.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172276_DormammuVsNewAvengers8.jpg http://s5d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/19172277_DormammuVsNewAvengers9.jpg

Dormammu wasn't even at full power. New Avengers were damaging him FFS. And a novice Voodoo overpowering Dormammu's control over Hood? Laughable.

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
One on one?? Your own evidence clearly shows with the help of Selene. As usual ignore whatever context you don't like or doesn't suit you and twist what you think you can to provide a point where none exists. Blackheart had joined forces with Selene, he wasn't using her help to beat Hellstrom.

Really? You haven't lied about Hellstrom trapping Dormammu? What? Issue number please.

BANG.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=55.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=56.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=57.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=58.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=59.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=60.jpg

That was Disciple who had the powers of several Elder Gods. Superman walked through that blast which tore several top tiers (j'onn, kyle, barda, zauriel, wonder woman) apart.

Warlord
so do we have judges for that?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by abhilegend
Blackheart had joined forces with Selene, he wasn't using her help to beat Hellstrom.

Really? You haven't lied about Hellstrom trapping Dormammu? What? Issue number please.

BANG.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=55.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=56.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=57.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=58.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=59.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=60.jpg

That was Disciple who had the powers of several Elder Gods. Superman walked through that blast which tore several top tiers (j'onn, kyle, barda, zauriel, wonder woman) apart.

Got other examples? Because there are others which go against your claim. Just so we can get an average view.

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
Blackheart had joined forces with Selene, he wasn't using her help to beat Hellstrom.

Really? You haven't lied about Hellstrom trapping Dormammu? What? Issue number please.

BANG.

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=55.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=56.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=57.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=58.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=59.jpg
http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=60.jpg

That was Disciple who had the powers of several Elder Gods. Superman walked through that blast which tore several top tiers (j'onn, kyle, barda, zauriel, wonder woman) apart.
Then why did he need to join forces?

No I haven't lied about him trapping Dormammu. Thanks BTW for posting the scans saved me the trouble. As your own evidence can now attest Hellstrom asked Strange to shield him while he created the containment field and Voodoo attacked him as destraction.
Of course the Avengers were doing him harm. he wasn't in his own realm FFS. The same was true in early Defenders issues, even when he stole the pwoer of Eternity with his sisters help.
Still depowered weakened Dormammu >>>>>>>>> Superman.

Funny in all those scans with Disciple, i don't see a single mention of the word magic. Just because it has to do with God's elder or "new" doesn't mean it's magical. Just ask Darkseid. That's why most wiki's mention "divine powers" and magic separately when discussing characters with both.

Still waiting for any evidence that Superman can tank any sort of magic attack (not devine). His normal physical attack won't cut it here. He doesn't blitz in character and even if he did what bloody good would it do against someone who can manipulate time (of course we just disregard that because we have no answer to it).

I can see why you didn't want to battlezone. You have nothing except the slinging of mud. You can actually try and say that Superman can withstand a magical attack and call someone else a liar when your own evidence supports what they say.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Warlord
so do we have judges for that?

I'd love to, but am already a judge in a battlezone.

Not to mention, this Sooperman sounds stupid. Wolverine is cooler cos he has claws and smokes and dgaf.

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
Then why did he need to join forces? Not to beat Hellstrom, that's for sure.

Yes, you have. That was a team effort.

http://i.imgur.com/zqyNSkR.jpg

"They have trapped him."

Yeah, right. If only Hellstrom has help from Dr. Strange and Voodoo to get a shield up in this fight.

Haha, seriously? He called Zauriel's "divine" blade attack merely ticklish before casually extinguishing it. It was a magical attack of Elder Gods. Your desperation is laughable.



Haha, like you do anything but lie and lie some more. Shut the **** up, please. You are outright denying Elder Gods' being magical FFS.

abhilegend
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Got other examples? Because there are others which go against your claim. Just so we can get an average view.
Of course I do. That was just one example.

riv6672
Wow, if Blackheart can take out Hellstrom, Superman would have NO chance against him... messed

Igniz
Originally posted by beatboks
Finally he creates force fields that can contain Dormammu and Black heart, yeah Superman should have no problem with them.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586354-traps+dormammu.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3586353-sos%2Bvs%2Bblackheart%2B%284%29.jpg

I'm not gonna dispute the Dormmamu scene.But I'd like to show more of the Blackheart scene so people would know the context behind it.

Originally posted by Igniz
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BHVsDH1.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BHVsDH2.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BHVsDH3.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BHVsDH4.jpg
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/Blackheart/BHVsDH5.jpg

As for this thread, I don't really know if Daimon can beat Superman.His Trident was able to slice a half elder god kami in half in Chaos War:God Squad.Maybe the trident might be capable of harming Superman.

riv6672
Thats what i'm betting will happen.
All this debating is great fun, but a simple stab to the throat of a character who is vulnerable to magic, shown to be susceptible to a vampire's bite, from a high end magical artifact...done.

carver9
Don't know if he can beat Superman either. I would put him somewhere between low to mid Herald but, I guess an argument can be made due to magic.

Beatboks is making good arguments though.

carver9
Originally posted by riv6672
Thats what i'm betting will happen.
All this debating is great fun, but a simple stab to the throat of a character who is vulnerable to magic, shown to be susceptible to a vampire's bite, from a high end magical artifact...done.

Basic knowledge? Superman has the physical advantage in every aspect. He could simply snatch that away from him.

riv6672
Maybe.
And i respect your opinion but, if say, Money Mayweather, who has a distinct speed advantage over me, were to try and snatch a pitchfork from my hand, i'd stab him in the neck.
So, my opinion is it wouldnt happen the way you claim.

riv6672
Originally posted by carver9

Beatboks is making good arguments though.
He IS.
He hardly needs my piddly help, but i'm just claiming it might be a lot simpler for Hellstrom to win this than people might think.
Think of it as a variation on the Indy sword/gun scenario. It was supposed to be a drawn out scene of skill vs skill. It was just as plausible, even more so, the way it was ad libbed.
A quick win here is quite possible for Hellstrom.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
He IS.
He hardly needs my piddly help, but i'm just claiming it might be a lot simpler for Hellstrom to win this than people might think.
Think of it as a variation on the Indy sword/gun scenario. It was supposed to be a drawn out scene of skill vs skill. It was just as plausible, even more so, the way it was ad libbed.
A quick win here is quite possible for Hellstrom.

That's......possibly the worst example to use lol (the Indy scene).

On one side, a melee weapon.

On the other, a gun.

Replace the bullet with a man-sized object, and increase its speed by multiple factors, and you'll have abhi crying with laughter.

riv6672
Not the mechanics of the scene, silly!
The spirit of it.
The scene was over thought.
Thanks to Ford's IBS, a much quicker solution played out.

I fear for Superman if this fight takes place the morning after Hellstrom enjoys taco Tuesday... eek!

Also, abhi supposedly put me on ignore, so there's no way he could possibly know what i'm saying here. wink

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
I hate Superman and his stupid spit curl, the 1950s called and they want their fashion/morality back.

I also hate India, after a fashion, because they are not as cool as real Indians.

Also, abhi supposedly put me on ignore, so there's no way he could possibly know what i'm saying here. wink

There we go.

Epicurus
Hellstorm wins.

Epicurus
Originally posted by riv6672
I also hate India, after a fashion, because they are not as cool as real Indians.
Native Americans aren't real Indians though.

An Indian doesn't get any realer than someone hailing from the Indian Subcontinent. Fact.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There we go.
In a good way or a bad way?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://i.imgur.com/zqyNSkR.jpg


Cage definitely has the most complex lines.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There we go.
Ha, took me forever to figure out the joke here. I was making breakfast for my native american wife and three half native american kids while posting from my laptop with a wallpaper of Alex Ross' tv heroes prominently featuring 50s Superman, who's one of my favorite characters.

http://www.scificool.com/alex-rosss-age-of-tv-heroes-artwork/

If you cant debate me and would rather slur me, go ahead. All i'll do is be amused by it, considering i'm not even that good at debating.
You on the other hand are supposed to be a master debater. Or something along those lines. laughing out loud

riv6672
Think abhi will read that and get confused?

Rage.Of.Olympus
I think I might have reported someone in this thread. If I did ignore it bada. I'm on my cell phone lol.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by riv6672
Ha, took me forever to figure out the joke here. I was making breakfast for my native american wife and three half native american kids while posting from my laptop with a wallpaper of Alex Ross' tv heroes prominently featuring 50s Superman, who's one of my favorite characters.

http://www.scificool.com/alex-rosss-age-of-tv-heroes-artwork/

If you cant debate me and would rather slur me, go ahead. All i'll do is be amused by it, considering i'm not even that good at debating.
You on the other hand are supposed to be a master debater. Or something along those lines. laughing out loud

Lol. I'm staying out of this fight - and only jumping in where I want some clarification. As I do so, I'm trying to not have people's passions rise too quickly.

riv6672
I figured.
He lives for those kinds of posts though.
TBH i'd stepped away from the flaming well before ICT went down, and i'm sure not trying to do it here, where everyone seems so level headed.
Abhi's just such an annoying person...!
Plus he makes it easy. stick out tongue
Lets see how long he keeps me on ignore....

maxivitopowe
True

LordofBrooklyn
The House of El is watching, Beatboks.

You have been warned!

cdtm
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course I do. That was just one example.

Lets see...

Survived Silver Bamshee's magic scream. It's supposed to kill, and there's proof of this, but it only knocked him out.

Tanked attacks from Blaze, multiple times.

Tanked Captain Marvels lightning, and the Wizards.

Failed to be KOed from Captain Marvels initial magically charged sucker punch.

In Time and Time Again, Superman asked Spectre if he could bounce him back from World War 2 era to the present, and Spectre claimed he couldn't, because there was something within him that RESISTED HIS POWER.

Resisted Eclipso's influence while holding a black diamond.


For starters.

cdtm
And if that's not good enough for you, he was the only character to repeatedly resist Emperor Jokers powers.

Blue Area Vet
This one might finally break dear old ahbi. Hopefully.

Oh, and Hellstrom stomps.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by cdtm
And if that's not good enough for you, he was the only character to repeatedly resist Emperor Jokers powers.



Look Ma, no explanation! :-)

cdtm
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Look Ma, no explanation! :-)

What, me? Or the story's reason he was able to do it when Darkseid, Quintessance, and Spectre couldn't? ^_^

Well, the way people are tossing around cheese feats like Hype pushing around two universes, I figure turn abouts fair play.

leonidas
gawd, don't quote him, i'm begging you cd.....

riv6672
Haha!

Great thread....

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by leonidas
gawd, don't quote him, i'm begging you cd.....

Look who shows up on cue, a super supporter. You guys really need to do a fan fic and get it all out.

cdtm
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Look who shows up on cue, a super supporter. You guys really need to do a fan fic and get it all out.

Heh, I thought he meant not to quote Abhi? embarrasment (No offense, Abhi.)

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by cdtm
What, me? Or the story's reason he was able to do it when Darkseid, Quintessance, and Spectre couldn't? ^_^

Well, the way people are tossing around cheese feats like Hype pushing around two universes, I figure turn abouts fair play.

Fair play? Dude, Superman is the comicbook world living personification of a cheese feat. But the biggest cheese feat of all time is how he has managed to indoctrinate his fans into structure of his mythos. No longer is he subject to the reality of his universe, or even the writers from the universe that created his universe. The universe existed within him. The fanboys broke his 4th wall. laughing

leonidas
Originally posted by cdtm
Heh, I thought he meant not to quote Abhi? embarrasment (No offense, Abhi.)

lol liar! you did that on purpose! mad

Badabing
Apparantly this wasn't a serious thread. I'll leave it open for a while.

beatboks
@Abhi first let me apologise if you in anyway talk my initial job seriously it certainly wasn't intended that way. It's the knocker/tall poppy syndrome jocularity of all Aussies in me. We Jibe and knock our mates all the time in fun. I honestly thought you had taken it that way based on your comment on the other thread about on a ring my courage for making the thread. We've debated enough and I enjoy butting heads with you and thought you saw it the same way

Now to my reply

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to beat Hellstrom, that's for sure.

Yes, you have. That was a team effort.

http://i.imgur.com/zqyNSkR.jpg

"They have trapped him."

Yeah, right. If only Hellstrom has help from Dr. Strange and Voodoo to get a shield up in this fight.

Haha, seriously? He called Zauriel's "divine" blade attack merely ticklish before casually extinguishing it. It was a magical attack of Elder Gods. Your desperation is laughable.



Haha, like you do anything but lie and lie some more. Shut the **** up, please. You are outright denying Elder Gods' being magical FFS.

Whatever you think

No I did not lie I said which is still correct that Damon created the forcefield that contain Dormammu which he did the fact that strange protected him while he created does not change the fact I never said that Damon a lone trapped him only that his forcefield contained him.

He doesn't need the help of strange because Superman doesn't have a tax on the level of weakened Dormammu. Dorms is actually capable of presenting attacks that's threatens hell Lord like Hellstrom. Supermen to do such damage would have to be out of character and bloodlust it was only the Blitz for pinstripe with his utmost force in the opening salvo. The usual argument given for superman beating a magical based character is that he attacks with great speed and great force and takes them out before they can cast a spell. This type of attack simply won't win within the parameters in normally operates in against the character he doesn't know. I'm sure I don't need to show you the scans of infighting being a and stating/ thinking .he normally holds back. Hellstrom has fallen from the stratosphere to do and not been harmed that's equivalent to 140 Ton blow. Man will not strike with greater power than that in an opening attack against an unknown.

Is Damon as strong as Superman no nowhere near it is he as durable no with healing factor close. But unlike most mystics he can certainly take some damage without relying on spells and when pulls up a force field that can hold Dormammu he's going to protect yourself from the worst Superman can do.

Why would I assume an elder god means it has to be magic Chronos and the Titans in Wonder woman weren't magic a good portion of the Greek pantheon is not the new gods aren't Xhal is not Rao is not why on earth would I have Tweeden worry about denying that when no evidence is presented to say the character who are using is using magic.

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
@Abhi first let me apologise if you in anyway talk my initial job seriously it certainly wasn't intended that way. It's the knocker/tall poppy syndrome jocularity of all Aussies in me. We Jibe and knock our mates all the time in fun. I honestly thought you had taken it that way based on your comment on the other thread about on a ring my courage for making the thread. We've debated enough and I enjoy butting heads with you and thought you saw it the same way Ok.

It didn't. It was on panel stated to be created by all three of them.

Dormammu was on the level where a weakened Dr. Strange easily withstood his attacks and a novice Voodoo casually exorcised him. So I don't think so. Superman has actually beaten Blaze inside her own realm when she was actually beating Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity at that time. So don't give me that BS. Not really. That would be the case on comicvine maybe. Here that doesn't work. Superman isn't a porcelain piece against magic. Even a casual blow from Superman packs more power than that.

Want to see how powerful a punch from Superman can be?

Because Disciple explicitly used old magic to summon the elder gods, extinguish Zauriel's "divine flaming sword" and such. he was definitely magical. But if you want on panel evidence, here is wonder woman describing his power.

http://i.imgur.com/lpovsZY.jpg

Satisfied?

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend


It didn't. It was on panel stated to be created by all three of them.

In the scans you yourself loaded. Daimon asks Strange to cover him. We see Strange protect Daimon with a shield ( one ONLY Strange created) while Voodoo attacks Dorm with his staff. then Damon erects the barrier around Dorms (unless you somehow think Strange could do that WHILE holding an effective Shield against Dormammu's attack??- REALLY). Yes "they" trapped him, Strange's part was defending Daimon while HE alone created the barrier to contain Dorms while Voodoo attacked him as diversion.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Dormammu was on the level where a weakened Dr. Strange easily withstood his attacks and a novice Voodoo casually exorcised him. So I don't think so. Superman has actually beaten Blaze inside her own realm when she was actually beating Shazam inside the Rock of Eternity at that time. So don't give me that BS. Not really. That would be the case on comicvine maybe. Here that doesn't work. Superman isn't a porcelain piece against magic. Even a casual blow from Superman packs more power than that.

Strange could withstand such an attack because Dormammu had to devide his efforts. he was fightinhg a whole team. Voodoo was also attacking remember?? also Voodoo didn't excorcise him himslef they "did it together" but of course that part of the action clearly stated in the scans you yourself loaded doesn't downplay the actions of Dormammu to downgrade the feat. Your the one a page or so ago who was bringing up context, when it suits you, you ignore it.
Originally posted by abhilegend

Want to see how powerful a punch from Superman can be?

Come on man, I didn't think I'd need to show this to YOU!!!
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130955/3539752-1323881-ba_survives_supes_punch.jpg

Superman is the Ultimate boy scout. he'd never kill in character and holds back to make sure he doesn't. So he isn't going to come out all guns blazing because most beings would be killed instantly by his most powerful blows. He'll start off with blows designed to put down medium to high metas at best.

Daimon has fought the entire hordes of hell
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/noordinarywarriorvshordesofhell.jpg.html?sort=3&o=12

Your own low level scan from Venom shows his durability tanks bullets. Those types of blows aren't really going to put him down and since he can bring the dead back to life with just a touch and be healed in an instant from any injury (I might ad multiple times faster than Lobo Regenerates - your poor comparison) even less. This is an ability he has without conscious thought BTW, because the first time he employed it ( to heal the Dead Profeet) he didn't even know he had the ability. He simply wanted him back alive and he was.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Because Disciple explicitly used old magic to summon the elder gods, extinguish Zauriel's "divine flaming sword" and such. he was definitely magical. But if you want on panel evidence, here is wonder woman describing his power.

http://i.imgur.com/lpovsZY.jpg

Satisfied?
Actually no, that scan said Arcane which while it can refer to magic doesn't mean it. it means secretive, known to few. Cosmic power could be referred to as Arcane and it's not magic either. besides which in the single panel you showed I don't see anything that refers to the character you referenced in the scans before.

Fact is for every scan you can show (and I can too) of Superman standing up to magic, I can show a lot more of him being vastly affected by it. hell even my mystics as low down the chain as Dr Occult who is more like a street level mystic. There are plenty of examples of Supes doing OK against magic, there are actually more of the Pre COIE than after when his vulnerability to magic was even greater than it is post COIE. It's still a known vulnerability that Daimon will be able to take full advantage of.

A bloodlusted Superman going all out from the get go using his power at his utmost would take Daimon down before he could bring magic to bare in a way that would grant him the win. Superman NOT going for the kill which in character he doesn't do ever wouldn't.


For those who mentioned taking the trident from Daimon, he is psionically linked to it and has used it from a far. He won't in that situation be using it as a pig sticker, because Unlike Thor he doesn't control it's movement) but he could have it generate a magical attack against the one holing it. When he fought Mindstar it was TK removed from him but he still wielded it's power against MS. Pretty sure I already posted the scan of that. Also I've never seen Daimon in character use the trident in a trident's conventional sense. Him doing so is about as likely as Superman starting out with a 1000000000 tone strike blow.

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
In the scans you yourself loaded. Daimon asks Strange to cover him. We see Strange protect Daimon with a shield ( one ONLY Strange created) while Voodoo attacks Dorm with his staff. then Damon erects the barrier around Dorms (unless you somehow think Strange could do that WHILE holding an effective Shield against Dormammu's attack??- REALLY). Yes, I do think so. Because we never saw Hellstrom actually doing anything. Nope.



WTF? He attacked Strange head on. Its like you read what you want to read. Voodoo alone exorcised Dormammu. What did I ignore?

That's Black Adam. Superman doesn't pulls his punches against Demons.

http://i.imgur.com/d7bdObX.jpg

He may not go all out, but he doesn't holds back like he always does.

So? Superman has curbstomped people who have done so.

Haha, comparing bullets to Superman's punches? Why not show how he fares against top tier bricks? And Lobo has healed from a drop of blood. That shits on anything Hellstrom has done. So? Mr. Immortal can do that too. Doesn't means he can't get knocked out. Getting back to life doesn't mean you can get scott free from all injuries.


Now you're just beings stubborn. Have you actually read the comic? Go read JLA: Primeval oneshot and come back.
Getting affected by Dr. Occult is no low feat. The symbol of seven is ****ing powerful. Superman would break his face long before he can do that.

Superman doesn't need to kill Hellstrom. A simple KO would be suffice. Actually Superman might tap him on the head and KTFO him.

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I do think so. Because we never saw Hellstrom actually doing anything. Nope.

WTF? He attacked Strange head on. Its like you read what you want to read. Voodoo alone exorcised Dormammu. What did I ignore?

Maybe you should look a little closer. The bottom panel of the second scan you loaded for me on page 1. Hellstrom asks Strange to create a defense spell to "cover him". Strange asks what he is doing, but as he looks back he sees Daimon with his trident in the ground and a red ring circle forming on the ground behind him ( amazingly similar looking to the eventual force field that traps Dormammu) and says "OH". The battle continues and Dorm's attacks strange and true to what daimon asks he throws up a defense spell (which slows but doesn't stop Dormammu (we even see the energy seem to "shatter"wink. Next Dorm's is contained. By your logic we "never saw Strange or Voodoo create the force field either, so maybe no one did, Must have reated itself huh??? Not to mention the fact that the very force field that contains Dormammu has a pentagram in it. Strange has been shown many times completely unable to work dark magic being involved it it actually weakens him so that is even further proof that he could not have been a part of the containment. Voodoo could have because of the magic he practises but we actually to this point didn't see him as you put it "actually doing anything."

You also stated that Voodoo exorcised him alone when it clearly shows that after Voodoo states he'll exorcise him Daimon says "we'll do it together take a side". You take the statement made by Luke Cage etc as Gospel but dispute one that has evidence to support?

So here you admit that Superman always holds back. The scan offers nothing. When Superman is fighting someone he "knows" to be a demon he may not hold back, but how does he know that here. Daimon is in all outward appearances Human. Why would superman attack with any great force at all. he'd have no reason what so ever to know what level of damage Daimon can tank and no reason not to believe that using anything greater than his normal low starting attacks wouldn't kill him. If your going to provide all my arguments for me it makes this less of a challenge.


Bullets was just to say that his durability even at his lowest level could take initial blows from Superman. Add in healing (which he simply has) and he's golden.


If I'd read it would I have asked for Context ??? obviously I haven't. Why should i do your work for you ? in a debate it's your job to sell your argument not mine.

Yes, IT, but it's not as powerful as a weakened Dormmamu or Black heart. It's also not what he used to cause Superman pain. Supes was hurt by Occult taking him into time and showing him his past battle with Doomsday.


which he wont be able to do with types/levels of attacks he'd open with against an unknown element.

-Pr-
I thought Bada closed this...

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought Bada closed this...

The House Of El is taking control of Superman related threads!

zopzop
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The House Of El is taking control of Superman related threads!
PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

As to the thread Superman breaks Hellstrom (if they are not fighting in his realm).

riv6672
Hellstrom stab Supes in the neck yet? He should have by now. huh

beatboks
Originally posted by -Pr-
I thought Bada closed this...

He did. I PM's an apology mentioning that the jibe to Abhi in my opening pos was meant only in fun, and he reopened. That wasn't the reason for my pm so if you want to close feel free. This has been fun and a good debate IMO from both of us, but really not much more to raise

cdtm
Originally posted by zopzop
PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

As to the thread Superman breaks Hellstrom (if they are not fighting in his realm).

League of Losers mvp? laughing

Hey, he did stop the cosmic equivalent of the Bene Geserrit. They were the real big bads in War of Kings, manipulating everyone from the background.

zopzop
Originally posted by cdtm
League of Losers mvp? laughing

Hey, he did stop the cosmic equivalent of the Bene Geserrit. They were the real big bads in War of Kings, manipulating everyone from the background.
Hey I love Darkhawk but in an alt reality/future(?) he was the leader of a team unofficially titled "The League of Losers".

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by zopzop
PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

I'm glad you've noticed his betrayal!

He has been brazen for several moths in his heresy against The House of El!

beatboks
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The House of El is watching, Beatboks.

You have been warned!

BAHHH what have i to fear from the house of El. I have a hell Lord watching my back. Trumps all the house big grin

In case you hadn't guessed, magic characters (powerhouse wise)are my preference ( hence why my favs at DC are Alan Scot, Dr fate, Arion, Occult, etc and Marvel Hellstrom, Strange, Thor, Black Knight, Shaman). I'll take magic and it's versatility over brute strength any day of the week.

-Pr-
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The House Of El is taking control of Superman related threads!

Warned.

Originally posted by zopzop
PR sold out Superman so he's kicked out the club!

As to the thread Superman breaks Hellstrom (if they are not fighting in his realm).

Warned.

Originally posted by beatboks
He did. I PM's an apology mentioning that the jibe to Abhi in my opening pos was meant only in fun, and he reopened. That wasn't the reason for my pm so if you want to close feel free. This has been fun and a good debate IMO from both of us, but really not much more to raise

Oh, all right.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I'm glad you've noticed his betrayal!

He has been brazen for several moths in his heresy against The House of El!

Oh, it's you again. Banning, I think.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by -Pr-
Warned.

Oh, it's you again. Banning, I think.

House of El, I warned you that this time may come.

AVENGE ME!


ACTIVATE OPERATION:BIRTHRIGHT!

Rao Kal El
*Operation Birthright = Create a sock account laughing

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
*Operation Birthright = Create a sock account laughing

FOOL!

NEVER discuss House Of El business outside the family again!

mad

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
FOOL!

NEVER discuss House Of El business outside the family again!

mad

Is just to misdirect the enemy rolling on floor laughing

Diesldude
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
House of El, I warned you that this time may come.

AVENGE ME!


ACTIVATE OPERATION:BIRTHRIGHT!


I see that you're off your meds again.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
*Operation Birthright = Create a sock account laughing

laughing out loud


Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
FOOL!

NEVER discuss House Of El business outside the family again!

mad

laughing out loud

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
Maybe you should look a little closer. I did. You're wrng, get over it. Voodoo was the one enchanting. Hellstrom didn't do anything.

Are you dyslexic or what? I said he doesn't pulls his punches against demons. General knowledge rule. Read it. First read the rules. Then come talk.


Nope.


That's not how it works.

That was because Superman was reliving all his pain from the battle with Doomsday, not because of Occult.

He knows Hellstrom is a demon by forum rules. And then oneshots him.

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
I did. You're wrng, get over it. Voodoo was the one enchanting. Hellstrom didn't do anything.

Are you dyslexic or what? I said he doesn't pulls his punches against demons. General knowledge rule. Read it. First read the rules. Then come talk.


Nope.


That's not how it works.

That was because Superman was reliving all his pain from the battle with Doomsday, not because of Occult.

He knows Hellstrom is a demon by forum rules. And then oneshots him.
You foolishly posted the scans yourself for all to see that what I've said is "wor for word" exactly what happened.

Daimon has never required an incantation to exorcize a spirit his hell born powers give him power over souls and the damned. He was pointing his trident at Dormamu which is how he exorcizes

The general knowledge rule supports what I'm saying which is why I said it. Hellstrom isn't widely known In MU and his abilities and the level of them certainly isn't. Most don't even believe him to be demonic. A fact supported by your own scans ( poor move again) with Venom saying maybe he really is the son of Satan. Based on the general knowledge that anyone would have of Daimon in MU Superman would expect someone of much lower durability than he has and believe him to be human. He's been attacked by thugs and bikers who soon learned their mistake.

By the forum rules he knows what is general knowledge of Hellstrom which means he wouldnt know his full nature or level of his powers as only a few people in MU actually do ( like only a few know Supes is Clark Kent - which is stated in the rules to not be known). It also means he would know Daimon is a hero and even less likely to go in hard . Completely failed argument.

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
You foolishly posted the scans yourself for all to see that what I've said is "wor for word" exactly what happened. Nope.

You entirely made up that.

Its not what general people believe. Its the basic knowledge of the character. You are giving whatever advantages you can give to give Hellstrom win here. That's not how forums works, better yet just say Superman stands there and let Hellstrom beat him.

Oh shut up. Why don't you give Superman a lobotomy while you're at it?

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

Must be nice in Denial


Really, made up?
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/HellstormV18-Page15.jpg.html?sort=3&o=35
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/Hellstorm-SonofSatan1of5-Page13.jpg.html?sort=3&o=44
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/3111133-sosabilitysoulfireaoe.jpg.html?sort=3&o=92
Please show me where in any of these he has to use an incantation to banish, exorcize etc spirits and demons?? I could present hundreds more the same. I could also present multitude of scans that show him with powers over the soul or to peer into it, see the evil and darkness within.



Ha Ha, you ask me to reas rules you haven't read yourself




Glad we're in agreement wink

Bada, PR, you can officially lock this now since Abhi has conceded and wants me to lobotomize Superman.

abhilegend
Originally posted by beatboks
Must be nice in Denial You know that very well apparently.


Yup, nowhere in those scans from New Avengers he was even alluded to doing anything.
Worthless scans.



facepalm




Sarcasm really isn't your forte. But yeah, Superman would need to act like a retard to lose this match when he can easily oneshot this clown. Not even going all out.

beatboks
Originally posted by abhilegend
You know that very well apparently.


Yup, nowhere in those scans from New Avengers he was even alluded to doing anything.
Worthless scans.


http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/aastartofforcefield.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/aaasymbolonbottom-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

No not alluded to even once was it. facepalm


Of course they are because when you say I made up the fact Hellsstrom doesn't need to use an incantation to cast out spirits and demons showing three scans from three completely different runs of him doing just that have no baring at all. Compete and utter fail.

Face palm? you should be dropping your head in shame when it's that simple to prove your full of it. The "rules" support what I said.

abhilegend
Meh, not interested anymore. Agree to disagree. Superman still oneshots this clown.

quanchi112
Originally posted by beatboks
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/aastartofforcefield.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Hellstrom/aaasymbolonbottom-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

No not alluded to even once was it. facepalm


Of course they are because when you say I made up the fact Hellsstrom doesn't need to use an incantation to cast out spirits and demons showing three scans from three completely different runs of him doing just that have no baring at all. Compete and utter fail.

Face palm? you should be dropping your head in shame when it's that simple to prove your full of it. The "rules" support what I said. thumb up

marcssands14
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