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Broly- Super Saiyan

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VS

Thor

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NO BFR

1) To K.O.
2) TO THE DEATH!

Wrong forum. Also Thor crushes him unceremoniously.

Why would you do this to me?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Why would you do this to me?

To make you WAR with yourself!

BROLY Corps or Thor Corps?

CHOOSE NOW!

Broly stomps. Badly and easily. Thor would have to fight so far out of character to win this fight that it's ridiculous. Let's put it like this, Roshi was capable of crushing moons and still wasn't depleted of power and he is the weakest of DBZ characters but he couldn't even scratch someone like Nappa with his moon busting power. The trend goes on. Saiyan Saga Goku was capable of destroying a planet with his power but someone like, Frieza in his first form would laugh at this version of Goku's attempt. Hell, Frieza only using .025% of his power destroyed a planet twice the size of Earth with his index finger and he still didn't even use a portion of his .025% of his power when he did it. Broly is trillions of times more powerful than either. He laughed off the Z fighters attempt as if they were knats and planet busting to them during that era was child's play.

Thor dies. Someone hand him a casket.

Thor beats Broly into a coma, it's not even close.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor beats Broly into a coma, it's not even close.

Of course you would say something like that.

Thor spitestomps

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
To make you WAR with yourself!

BROLY Corps or Thor Corps?

CHOOSE NOW!


You seem stressed LoB. Do I need to send you to the Isle of Silence till you cooldown?

LHM

No one stomps anyone. Geez. Well not in character.

Thor does pull a majority.

Originally posted by Damborgson
No one stomps anyone. Geez. Well not in character.

Thor does pull a majority.

He really doesn't. He doesn't pull a single win tbh. He isn't fast enough, strong enough, or durable enough to fight Broly. This fight would be over as soon as it started.

Even in character Thor still wrecks. Thor's FTL, can bust planets physically, and his hammer can manipulate Broly's entire power set; ki. There's not a DB character I'm aware of who could take the fight to Thor. All he has to do is not let them rain energy blasts on him, they can't actually harm him with punches or kicks.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Even in character Thor still wrecks. Thor's FTL, can bust planets physically, and his hammer can manipulate Broly's entire power set; ki. There's not a DB character I'm aware of who could take the fight to Thor. All he has to do is not let them rain energy blasts on him, they can't actually harm him with punches or kicks.

Show the FTL combat. Show the planet busting. Show me Thor moving anywhere close to this in combat.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bqDaGzWNJm8

Jeice and Burta is faster than Thor (hell, Burta was moving so fast that time literally stopped around him) and they still couldn't touch Goku. Stop making assumptions when you honestly don't know what your are...

Broly was burned by magma and was killed by being pushed through a sun.

Thor wins.

Thor is stronger, based on feats, lifting and punching, especially with Mjolnir, would like to see Broly feats that are greater though,

Thor is faster, traveling and even blitzing SS and Galactus.

Thor has the greater energyprojection, the Godblast hurt beings as powerful as Galactus and Celestials.

Everything thrown at Thor energywise can be redicrected or absorbed.

Broly lacks the feats. Lifting, punching etc.

Originally posted by carver9
Show the FTL combat. Show the planet busting. Show me Thor moving anywhere close to this in combat.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bqDaGzWNJm8

Jeice and Burta is faster than Thor (hell, Burta was moving so fast that time literally stopped around him) and they still couldn't touch Goku. Stop making assumptions when you honestly don't know what your are... No one's going to watch a 14 minute video just to have to tell you the feats you're wanking aren't as impressive as you think my dumb friend.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/Pyronftw/Untitledhghgg_zps6be0203c.png

"The shattering of worlds around him"

I might provide the FTL combat later. God of Thunder sure was fun.

Edit: And oh yeah, moving so fast time seems to "stop" isn't particularly impressive in the realm of comics.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Thor is stronger, based on feats, lifting and punching, especially with Mjolnir, would like to see Broly feats that are greater though,

Thor is faster, traveling and even blitzing SS and Galactus.

Thor has the greater energyprojection, the Godblast hurt beings as powerful as Galactus and Celestials.

Everything thrown at Thor energywise can be redicrected or absorbed.

Broly lacks the feats. Lifting, punching etc. He blitzed Surter as well during Walt Simonson's run IIRC.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Thor is stronger, based on feats, lifting and punching, especially with Mjolnir, would like to see Broly feats that are greater though,

Thor is faster, traveling and even blitzing SS and Galactus.

Thor has the greater energyprojection, the Godblast hurt beings as powerful as Galactus and Celestials.

Everything thrown at Thor energywise can be redicrected or absorbed.

Broly lacks the feats. Lifting, punching etc.

He really isn't stronger unless you are basing this off of one showing and if that's the case I sure as hell can do the same to Thor.

Provide some combat speed fts that's even close to what Goku has done. Hell, prove that he can even hit Goku. I would argue that Master Roshi is faster as shown here.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eLlf235XyGM 1 min and 54 sec.

Roshi and Krillin perform an entire tournament of fighting in less than 1 forth of a second. Thor doesn't have anything comparable to this. NOTHING.

Lol...show me Thor redirecting blasts that coming at him at Super speed.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No one's going to watch a 14 minute video just to have to tell you the feats you're wanking aren't as impressive as you think my dumb friend.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/Pyronftw/Untitledhghgg_zps6be0203c.png

"The shattering of worlds around him"

I might provide the FTL combat later. God of Thunder sure was fun.

Edit: And oh yeah, moving so fast time seems to "stop" isn't particularly impressive in the realm of comics.

I'm not going to go on about that scan. Show me some ftl combat showings my friend.

Who is the most energy resistant hero in the MU? Thor? Oh.

Broly also, while incredibly fast, is a straight line Blitzer. In the DBU, he's essentially a juggernaut when he charges, but if he runs into Mjolnir, he's going to be hurting.

And he's not faster than some of the guys Thors fought anyway. Thor would be able to react.

Not to mention Broly is a sadist. He likes to have some fun, not instantly obliterate.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He blitzed Surter as well during Walt Simonson's run IIRC.

He blitzed Surter? Scans. Goku out raced the solar flare but I still want to see that scan.

I never understood how Thor vs characters from DBZ is even a questionable debate. Mjolnir is like...the DBZ-verse kryptonite. I love DBZ but sometimes it's wanked to hell lol.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
He really doesn't. He doesn't pull a single win tbh. He isn't fast enough, strong enough, or durable enough to fight Broly. This fight would be over as soon as it started.

Who is the most energy resistant hero in the MU? Thor? Oh.

Broly also, while incredibly fast, is a straight line Blitzer. In the DBU, he's essentially a juggernaut when he charges, but if he runs into Mjolnir, he's going to be hurting.

And he's not faster than some of the guys Thors fought anyway. Thor would be able to react.

Not to mention Broly is a sadist. He likes to have some fun, not instantly obliterate.

He isn't tanking what Broly isn't throwing out.

Straight line Blitzer? Are you saying he isn't fast? He didn't have trouble hitting Goku, someone who is much faster than Thor. Someone that was moving at super speed against him.

Mjlonir will hurt anyone but I can see him tanking it tbh.

Who has Thor fought at Super speed? Being serious here because Wolverine and Spiderman has fought fast people as well. Hell, Cannonball has fought a guy FTL and tagged him. Honestly, what does that mean.

I agree with you on Broly's personality.

Originally posted by Yamcha
I never understood how Thor vs characters from DBZ is even a questionable debate. Mjolnir is like...the DBZ-verse kryptonite. I love DBZ but sometimes it's wanked to hell lol.

In character how does people like Goku fight? In character how does Thor fight?

Originally posted by carver9
He really isn't stronger unless you are basing this off of one showing and if that's the case I sure as hell can do the same to Thor.

Provide some combat speed fts that's even close to what Goku has done. Hell, prove that he can even hit Goku. I would argue that Master Roshi is faster as shown here.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eLlf235XyGM 1 min and 54 sec.

Roshi and Krillin perform an entire tournament of fighting in less than 1 forth of a second. Thor doesn't have anything comparable to this. NOTHING.

Lol...show me Thor redirecting blasts that coming at him at Super speed. He did less than twenty blows in about a quarter of a second.

Even if he moved a kilometer twenty times (He didn't) that would be only 80,000 meters per second. Aka mach 233.

Thought I had the scans of speed in my photobucket but guess not, lemme see if I can find them.

No. Lol. Thor crosses spans of multiple light years in seconds mid fight, and intercepts moons being thrown at him at those speeds.

Broly's punches wouldn't even tickle, and while he's got very powerful energy projection it's 100% countered by Mjolnir and would actually need to hit Thor.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He did less than twenty blows in about a quarter of a second.

Even if he moved a kilometer twenty times (He didn't) that would be only 80,000 meters per second. Aka mach 233.

Thought I had the scans of speed in my photobucket but guess not, lemme see if I can find them.

First i want to see that scan, second are you comparing that to Roshi? Don't even need to bring up Goku.

I want to see this scan.

Originally posted by carver9
He blitzed Surter? Scans. Goku out raced the solar flare but I still want to see that scan. Nah that's okay. I'd have to go to my sister's computer (Used to be the shared one before I bought my own), find one page out of hundreds, upload it to photobucket, etc, when God knows I don't care to.

Originally posted by carver9
First i want to see that scan, second are you comparing that to Roshi? Don't even need to bring up Goku.

I want to see this scan. Hold on my dumb friend, I need to find it and upload it first.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No. Lol. Thor crosses spans of multiple light years in seconds mid fight, and intercepts moons being thrown at him at those speeds.

Broly's punches wouldn't even tickle, and while he's got very powerful energy projection it's 100% countered by Mjolnir and would actually need to hit Thor.

Ok, I asked you for combat speed not flight aka acceleration aka adding real world logic to comics. Do you have any COMBAT showings. Simple question. By the way Mjlonir is flying, not Thor.

Ironman punches hurt and Broly is stronger than him?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah that's okay. I'd have to go to my sister's computer (Used to be the shared one before I bought my own), find one page out of hundreds, upload it to photobucket, etc, when God knows I don't care to.

I want to see this. I'll be here waiting.

Originally posted by carver9
Who is the most energy resistant hero in the MU? Thor? Oh.

Broly also, while incredibly fast, is a straight line Blitzer. In the DBU, he's essentially a juggernaut when he charges, but if he runs into Mjolnir, he's going to be hurting.

And he's not faster than some of the guys Thors fought anyway. Thor would be able to react.

Not to mention Broly is a sadist. He likes to have some fun, not instantly obliterate.

He isn't tanking what Broly isn't throwing out.

Straight line Blitzer? Are you saying he isn't fast? He didn't have trouble hitting Goku, someone who is much faster than Thor. Someone that was moving at super speed against him.

Mjlonir will hurt anyone but I can see him tanking it tbh.

Who has Thor fought at Super speed? Being serious here because Wolverine and Spiderman has fought fast people as well. Hell, Cannonball has fought a guy FTL and tagged him. Honestly, what does that mean.

I agree with you on Broly's personality.

Thor's person, would not tank it, but Mjolnir can absorb it. And he's tough enough to take some of Broly's shots without going comatose.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Broly also, while incredibly fast, is a straight line Blitzer.

I said he's incredibly fast. But he's a straight line blitzer. It's his thing. It's not like anyone he fought could do a thing about it. He'd also be a huge target rushing at Thor looking to get countered.

If Broly rushes into Mjolnir, he will be stunned at least. This isn't Gohan's fist, it's mother****ing Mjolnir.

Hyperion, Quicksilver, Silver Surfer, Sentry, etc. Thor's got his low moments of course, we all know that, but they're just low moments.

Tien "light speed fury punches". Arms literally turns to light.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250689-ten_lightspeed_punch_1_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=3
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250690-ten_lightspeed_punch_2_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=4
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250691-ten_lightspeed_punch_3_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=5

Originally posted by carver9
He really isn't stronger unless you are basing this off of one showing and if that's the case I sure as hell can do the same to Thor.

Provide some combat speed fts that's even close to what Goku has done. Hell, prove that he can even hit Goku. I would argue that Master Roshi is faster as shown here.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eLlf235XyGM 1 min and 54 sec.

Roshi and Krillin perform an entire tournament of fighting in less than 1 forth of a second. Thor doesn't have anything comparable to this. NOTHING.

Lol...show me Thor redirecting blasts that coming at him at Super speed.

Every blast that comes his way comes with ftl speed... and he absorbs or redicrects them

But be my guest and show me a single lifting feat that puts a DBZ char above Thor?

The best I saw was a quarter or part of a city where a SSJ4 Goku had trouble holding it up. DBZ chars are strong with energy projection but weak physically compared to real heralds.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I asked you for combat speed not flight aka acceleration aka adding real world logic to comics. Do you have any COMBAT showings. Simple question. By the way Mjlonir is flying, not Thor.

Ironman punches hurt and Broly is stronger than him?
I'm referring to God of Thunder where Old Thor blasts Gorr lightyears away and the Thors follow him in only a few moments. Gorr can of course track their massively FTL movement and attacks them as they approach. Guess what that means? Guess what it means when they easily react to it?

It's Thor's arm swinging the hammer, not Mjolnir.

Originally posted by carver9
Tien "light speed fury punches". Arms literally turns to light.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250689-ten_lightspeed_punch_1_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=3
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250690-ten_lightspeed_punch_2_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=4
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250691-ten_lightspeed_punch_3_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=5


I have a move like that too. I call it my "light speed ***** slaps" my arms also appear very blurry.

Tien is an anime martial artist. He's going to have fancy names for his attacks.

Originally posted by carver9
I want to see this. I'll be here waiting.


This is the closest I can see to Thor blitzing Surtur. He uses Mjolnir to travel at high speeds while dodging every hit which he then strikes. Or the first page but both show examples of him using speed.

http://i.imgur.com/qh5fPaZl.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
He isn't tanking what Broly isn't throwing out.

Straight line Blitzer? Are you saying he isn't fast? He didn't have trouble hitting Goku, someone who is much faster than Thor. Someone that was moving at super speed against him.

Mjlonir will hurt anyone but I can see him tanking it tbh.

Who has Thor fought at Super speed? Being serious here because Wolverine and Spiderman has fought fast people as well. Hell, Cannonball has fought a guy FTL and tagged him. Honestly, what does that mean.

I agree with you on Broly's personality.

Thor's person, would not tank it, but Mjolnir can absorb it. And he's tough enough to take some of Broly's shots without going comatose.



I said he's incredibly fast. But he's a straight line blitzer. It's his thing. It's not like anyone he fought could do a thing about it. He'd also be a huge target rushing at Thor looking to get countered.

If Broly rushes into Mjolnir, he will be stunned at least. This isn't Gohan's fist, it's mother****ing Mjolnir.

Hyperion, Quicksilver, Silver Surfer, Sentry, etc. Thor's got his low moments of course, we all know that, but they're just low moments.

Mjlonir can absorb it but again, he isn't going to be reacting to the amount of blast a coming at him. Also, what blasts has Thor absorbed that's comparable to Broly's blasts that usually take up the entire battle field?

If Broly rush Thor 10/10 he is going to land his attack along with whatever else attack he dishes out. This isn't Superman or Gladiator, someone that you can use the 'in character' argument against. Broly will use his speed (especially since he will have info on Mjlonir per forum rules).

So when Thor fought these people, they were fighting like DBZ characters. I feel got darn safe at saying that if a Z fighter doesn't want Thor seeing them, it ain't hapoening.

Originally posted by carver9
Tien "light speed fury punches". Arms literally turns to light.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250689-ten_lightspeed_punch_1_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=3
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250690-ten_lightspeed_punch_2_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=4
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250691-ten_lightspeed_punch_3_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=5 Attack names = Feats

This thread will make Carver cry, sooner or later, once he sees how wrong he is and how weak DBZ chars are compared to heralds, even mid heralds.

Originally posted by carver9
Tien "light speed fury punches". Arms literally turns to light.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250689-ten_lightspeed_punch_1_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=3
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250690-ten_lightspeed_punch_2_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=4
http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/250691-ten_lightspeed_punch_3_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=5 Broly obliterates Thor.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Every blast that comes his way comes with ftl speed... and he absorbs or redicrects them

But be my guest and show me a single lifting feat that puts a DBZ char above Thor?

The best I saw was a quarter or part of a city where a SSJ4 Goku had trouble holding it up. DBZ chars are strong with energy projection but weak physically compared to real heralds. Why do they need lifting feats?
Their punches hurt often more times than their blasts. Of which Broly could casually destroy planets with his blasts.
Even if they could only lift a ton, their punching force is easily answered by the speed in which it's being delivered ala Flash.

Originally posted by carver9

Mjlonir can absorb it but again, he isn't going to be reacting to the amount of blast a coming at him.

What does this mean? Not only can Mjolnir draw in energy and absorb it from all directions but Thor is more then capable of reacting to energy blasts.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, what blasts has Thor absorbed that's comparable to Broly's blasts that usually take up the entire battle field?

Lol, common.

You aren't even trying here man.

Thor punches a hole in him. Thor is astronomically stronger than Goku.

Originally posted by carver9
I want to see this. I'll be here waiting. Don't hold your breath Suzy, I'm not digging up old scans that don't matter just because you want them. Maybe you should actually read the comics?

Anyway:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/Pyronftw/Thorfast_zps5c8e8c99.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/Pyronftw/Thorfast1_zpsd88d7529.jpg

Hey look Gorr tracking two very small FTL moving bodies and throwing chunks of moon at them which they shatter, proving both sides of the battle have FTL reaction-time and combat speed.

On a more coincidental note (As in I found it on accident):

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/Pyronftw/STARS_zpsa6b6e519.jpg

Apparently Thor simply flying can make stars far away "flicker".

What I'm saying is Thor wins. Broly is a mere planet buster. Thor makes stars flicker by flying.

Like the star that killed Broly for example.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Broly obliterates Thor.

Why do they need lifting feats?
Their punches hurt often more times than their blasts. Of which Broly could casually destroy planets with his blasts.
Even if they could only lift a ton, their punching force is easily answered by the speed in which it's being delivered ala Flash.

No he doesn't, the opposite is true.

Why. Their punches hurt because they are energy fighters and energytanks, they suck physically comapred to heralds. Their punches hurt more because their blunt force durability isn't on the same level as their energy one. SSJ4 Goku couldn't lift a city, a part of it was too much. Their strength isn't good enough to even scratch someone like thor. They would break their bones. When Thor with his planetary strength hits a DBZ char they would most likely die. Like you pointed out, a punch hurts them more.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor's person, would not tank it, but Mjolnir can absorb it. And he's tough enough to take some of Broly's shots without going comatose.



I said he's incredibly fast. But he's a straight line blitzer. It's his thing. It's not like anyone he fought could do a thing about it. He'd also be a huge target rushing at Thor looking to get countered.

If Broly rushes into Mjolnir, he will be stunned at least. This isn't Gohan's fist, it's mother****ing Mjolnir.

Hyperion, Quicksilver, Silver Surfer, Sentry, etc. Thor's got his low moments of course, we all know that, but they're just low moments.

Mjlonir can absorb it but again, he isn't going to be reacting to the amount of blast a coming at him. Also, what blasts has Thor absorbed that's comparable to Broly's blasts that usually take up the entire battle field?

If Broly rush Thor 10/10 he is going to land his attack along with whatever else attack he dishes out. This isn't Superman or Gladiator, someone that you can use the 'in character' argument against. Broly will use his speed (especially since he will have info on Mjlonir per forum rules).

So when Thor fought these people, they were fighting like DBZ characters. I feel got darn safe at saying that if a Z fighter doesn't want Thor seeing them, it ain't hapoening.

Mjolnir doesn't need to be physically at every blast to absorb it, if he had to constantly move his hammer to catch the energy, then yes I agree he'd be overwhelmed, but Mjolnir can just draw the blasts into it.

Broly's blasts take up the entire battlefield, once they detonate.

In their initial form, they're usually not anything more than small spheres of energy that would easily get sucked into Mjolnir.

He definitely could, he could also run into an uppercut that cracks his jaw /shrug.

They were actually indeed fighting more or less like Broly lol. Very fast bullrushes that ended in counters.

Why do none of you know how to quote a post properly?

****.

I'm too lazy to care /shrug

They usually get the gist.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No he doesn't, the opposite is true.

Why. Their punches hurt because they are energy fighters and energytanks, they suck physically comapred to heralds. Their punches hurt more because their blunt force durability isn't on the same level as their energy one. SSJ4 Goku couldn't lift a city, a part of it was too much. Their strength isn't good enough to even scratch someone like thor. They would break their bones. When Thor with his planetary strength hits a DBZ char they would most likely die. Like you pointed out, a punch hurts them more.
Something like this. Repeated and recurring gravity training (from 10 to IIRC a maximum of 300 Gs) and and base Goku's on panel struggle with 40 tons during the Buu saga say a fair bit about the relative power of their muscles v.s. their ki blasts, which can end planets weighing in the sextillions of tons. shrug There's some serious discrepency between the two.

Which incidentally points to a single hammer blow killing Broly.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You seem stressed LoB. Do I need to send you to the Isle of Silence till you cooldown?

Your deflectiion won't work!

BROLY or Thor?

CHOOSE!

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No he doesn't, the opposite is true.

Why. Their punches hurt because they are energy fighters and energytanks, they suck physically comapred to heralds. Their punches hurt more because their blunt force durability isn't on the same level as their energy one. SSJ4 Goku couldn't lift a city, a part of it was too much. Their strength isn't good enough to even scratch someone like thor. They would break their bones. When Thor with his planetary strength hits a DBZ char they would most likely die. Like you pointed out, a punch hurts them more. Get some backing on that and get back to me. Physical weakness just because they get hurt, lol. Energy fighters/tanks is the excuse I'm asking for proof of btw.

And SS4 is overridden considering Bills destroyed like 4 or so planets in a second by flying through them. Or because it's non canon.
Or Goku in a base state slowing down a massive island that Frieza tk chucked at him at high speeds with no flight being used.

Again though, even if they were weak it's easily explained to be the same as Flash. Lol at Broly not even scratching Thor though when the exact argument can be made for the many people under even 100 tons have hurt him. Backed up by people who have been going lightspeed since Dragonball.

Just dropping by real quick:

Space FTL is a damn trope. It can't be seriously referred to as real perception/reflex speed because it would make far too many damn characters have nigh infinite reflex speed if you take the all the implications into account.

For phuck's sake, even Godzilla has enemies that are lightspeed+...in space. On the ground they wouldn't even be able to outrun an F1 race car, or just barely keep up, maybe.

John Stewart was FTL in justice league unlimited, in space, he was still obviously much slower than a Wally that was lightspeed at absolute best when he was cutting loose, and still slower than even the more usual triple digit mach Wally.

Vilgax and Aggregor were massively FTL in space in Ben 10. Both slower than even a triple digit at best mach alien like Fasttrack.

Thor was clearly much slower than a triple digit mach Quicksilver. Who easily dodged Thor's lightning and mocked his speed, and noted that he's been dodging lightning since he was a kid as a reason for why he could easily dodge Thor's. --Thor is obviously not going to move faster than his own lightning on the ground.


Thor is fast, no doubt. But you are never going to see him do practical speed feats like punching in a nanosecond (which would make him a few times faster than light), do something massively FTL like rebuilding an entire city or evacuating an entire city from a nuclear explosion in a small time frame or anything like that. Though he does have a feat where he built some tower by hand, brick by brick, in what was maybe a few minutes. He also casually caught a tank shell fired at him.

He also has an extremely old feat of throwing a punch in a moment the narration called a 'microsecond', but it may have been hyperbole, flowery embellishment due to the era, IIRC, even Steve Rogers had moments where his movements would be called in extremely quick time frames like microseconds or lower, obviously hyperbole.

Haha, "planets".

DIqaorJdIbA

I'd clear more distance walking to the closest Walmart to my house than I would walking those planets' circumference.

Goku in his base state slowed down a massive island? When's that? The anime I'd imagine, since no lifting feat nearly that good exists in the manga. The anime is also noncanon by the way, but so is Broly, so arguably anime feats could apply to him.

It's funny, for all people talk about the "striking strength" of DBZ characters (Who aren't FTL until the time of Battle of Gods), no one here has even mentioned the best one in the manga, which I horde in secret like a kid at fat camp does a candybar.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Just dropping by real quick:

Space FTL is a damn trope. It can't be seriously referred to as real perception/reflex speed because it would make far too many damn characters have nigh infinite reflex speed if you take the all the implications into account.

For phuck's sake, even Godzilla has enemies that are lightspeed+...in space. On the ground they wouldn't even be able to outrun an F1 race car, or just barely keep up, maybe.

John Stewart was FTL in justice league unlimited, in space, he was still obviously much slower than a Wally that was lightspeed at absolute best when he was cutting loose, and still slower than even the more usual triple digit mach Wally.

Vilgax and Aggregor were massively FTL in space in Ben 10. Both slower than even a triple digit at best mach alien like Fasttrack.

Thor was clearly much slower than a triple digit mach Quicksilver. Who easily dodged Thor's lightning and mocked his speed, and noted that he's been dodging lightning since he was a kid as a reason for why he could easily dodge Thor's. --Thor is obviously not going to move faster than his own lightning on the ground.

Thor is fast, no doubt. But you are never going to see him do practical speed feats like punching in a nanosecond (which would make him a few times faster than light), do something massively FTL like rebuilding an entire city or evacuating an entire city from a nuclear explosion in a small time frame or anything like that. Though he does have a feat where he built some tower by hand, brick by brick, in what was maybe a few minutes.

He also has an extremely old feat of throwing a punch in a moment the narration called a 'microsecond', but it may have been hyperbole, flowery embellishment due to the era, IIRC, even Steve Rogers had moments where his movements would be called in extremely quick time frames like microseconds or lower, obviously hyperbole. If Thor in GoT only flew that fast you'd have a point. Since he also reacted while doing so to an attack that homed in on him flying that fast you don't have one.

It is just one feat though. God of Thunder Thor was definitely faster than most incarnations of the character. Thor's obviously slower than other people in his weight class like, say, Superman. I was just showing carver that the feats do exist.

You're a **** by the way.

Where in his fight with Gor is he ever reacting to a FTL attack?

Him knocking Gorr light years away and then following him is simply still linear flight speed, just following an attack. Ergo, still a damn trope feat.

Even so, something like throwing an attack while flying FTL doesn't give FTL reflexes. Especially if that guy you are attacking is moving equally FTL to you.


& You won't think I'm a ***** once you see these GoW speed feats and statements I've uncovered. ; ) Respect thread back on, I'm squeezing in time finally in-between classes, career, and fiance.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Where in his fight with Gor is he ever reacting to a FTL attack?

Him knocking Gorr light years away and then following him is simply still linear flight speed, just following an attack. Ergo, still a damn trope.

Even so, throwing an attack while flying FTL doesn't give FTL reflexes. Especially if that guy you are attacking is moving equally FTL to you.


& You won't think I'm a ***** once you see these GoW speed feats and statements I've uncovered. ; ) Respect thread back on, I'm squeezing in time finally in-between classes, career, and fiance. Read the post where I posted the scans and you might find out.

Thor everytime

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Where in his fight with Gor is he ever reacting to a FTL attack?

Him knocking Gorr light years away and then following him is simply still linear flight speed, just following an attack. Ergo, still a damn trope feat.

Even so, something like throwing an attack while flying FTL doesn't give FTL reflexes. Especially if that guy you are attacking is moving equally FTL to you.


& You won't think I'm a ***** once you see these GoW speed feats and statements I've uncovered. ; ) Respect thread back on, I'm squeezing in time finally in-between classes, career, and fiance.
Things work differently when they're moving FTL in a direction opposing the direction you're moving. They're not keeping pace, there's only a brief window of intersect.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I'm referring to God of Thunder where Old Thor blasts Gorr lightyears away and the Thors follow him in only a few moments. Gorr can of course track their massively FTL movement and attacks them as they approach. Guess what that means? Guess what it means when they easily react to it?

It's Thor's arm swinging the hammer, not Mjolnir.

No one is denying that Mjlonir will allow Thor to fly faster than light or Ironman boosters allows him to fly FTL or Firelord staff allows him to TRAVEL at light speed. Wait a minute, do you know the difference between travel and combat speed?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Read the post where I posted the scans and you might find out.

I've read the entire fight with Gorr plenty of times, and it it is a complete stretch.

Thor blasts/knocks him light years away, linearly.

They follow, linearly, Gorr can sense their presence, magic/godly energy that he feeds on and all that, he throws chunks of moon at them in the only direction they are coming from...straight on.

He had seconds to react to them following the attack, to start throwing chunks at them. That's not a miniscule amount of time at all.

Maybe if the Thors dodged the chunks flying at them while they were travelling FTL, then it would be something, but they got hit by the first one, and then stopped to assess that 'hey, that guy seems to be throwing moon chunks at us'.

FTL in space is a trope by and large.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Every blast that comes his way comes with ftl speed... and he absorbs or redicrects them

But be my guest and show me a single lifting feat that puts a DBZ char above Thor?

The best I saw was a quarter or part of a city where a SSJ4 Goku had trouble holding it up. DBZ chars are strong with energy projection but weak physically compared to real heralds.

Broly crushed a freaking near indestructible space craft with his bare hands (that had his father it a and threw it out of orbit effortlessly with one arm. Get out of here. Then that's not including him punching Goku through mountains.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Haha, "planets".

DIqaorJdIbA

I'd clear more distance walking to the closest Walmart to my house than I would walking those planets' circumference.

Goku in his base state slowed down a massive island? When's that? The anime I'd imagine, since no lifting feat nearly that good exists in the manga. The anime is also noncanon by the way, but so is Broly, so arguably anime feats could apply to him.

It's funny, for all people talk about the "striking strength" of DBZ characters (Who aren't FTL until the time of Battle of Gods), no one here has even mentioned the best one in the manga, which I horde in secret like a kid at fat camp does a candybar.

This is the anime we are discussing

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Broly- Super Saiyan

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/194/3/8/broly___the_legendary_super_saiyan_by_brolylssj2-d5lguw3.jpg

VS

Thor

http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Thor_06.jpg

NO BFR

1) To K.O.
2) TO THE DEATH! Get this crap out of the CBvF. facepalm

Moved.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does this mean? Not only can Mjolnir draw in energy and absorb it from all directions but Thor is more then capable of reacting to energy blasts.



Lol, common.

You aren't even trying here man.

What is means is blasts at super speed will be coming at Thor from 'all angles'. He has never shown the ability to react to something like that. Do you need examples?

Originally posted by carver9
No one is denying that Mjlonir will allow Thor to fly faster than light or Ironman boosters allows him to fly FTL or Firelord staff allows him to TRAVEL at light speed. Wait a minute, do you know the difference between travel and combat speed? Do you? I'm not talking about travel speed, I'm talking about this part:

"Gorr can of course track their massively FTL movement and attacks them as they approach. Guess what that means? Guess what it means when they easily react to it? "

If you're moving one direction and something intersects with your path perpendicularly, there is only a very brief window where you're within reach to hit that thing with a hammer. Thor did this at massively FTL speeds.

Vilgax sliced a spaceship in half while travelling FTL. Does not obviously have FTL reflexes. (As much as I would like him to).

The Green Lantern Corp was able to react to the incoming Amazo who was travelling at FTL speeds in Justice League Unlimited, obviously they don't have FTL reflexes.

Deriving reaction speeds from an abused trope like FTL space flight is not reliable by itself.

Now had the narration explicitly stated something like 'they traded blows in the femtosecond window of time they had while they criss-crossed each other', then that would be irrefutable.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Vilgax sliced a spaceship in half while travelling FTL. Does not obviously have FTL reflexes. (As much as I would like him to).

The Green Lantern Corp was able to react to the incoming Amazo who was travelling at FTL speeds in Justice League Unlimited, obviously they don't have FTL reflexes.

Deriving reaction speeds from an abused trope like FTL space flight is not reliable by itself.

Now had the narration explicitly stated something like 'they traded blows in the femtosecond window of time they had while they criss-crossed each other', then that would be irrefutable.

Thank you! I'm glad someone finally f**king gets it!

Did you give up Carv?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Your deflectiion won't work!

BROLY or Thor?

CHOOSE!

Don't make me kill you...

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I've read the entire fight with Gorr plenty of times, and it it is a complete stretch.

It's only a stretch because Thor having FTL feats like Superman makes you uncomfortable, lol.



What if they turned slightly a few lightyears back?



It is when your opponents are traveling over a million times faster than light.



So you're saying that rather than Gorr being fast enough to chuck rocks at something flying millions of times faster than light, he instead used his super cosmic awareness to predict where they would be and managed to throw the chunk just before they arrived despite apparently being considerably slower than they were flying in terms of reaction-time, and the two Thors just happened to keep a consistent direction going rather than changing course at any point?

Nah, they could react and fight faster than light.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Vilgax sliced a spaceship in half while travelling FTL. Does not obviously have FTL reflexes. (As much as I would like him to).

The Green Lantern Corp was able to react to the incoming Amazo who was travelling at FTL speeds in Justice League Unlimited, obviously they don't have FTL reflexes.

Deriving reaction speeds from an abused trope like FTL space flight is not reliable by itself.

Now had the narration explicitly stated something like 'they traded blows in the femtosecond window of time they had while they criss-crossed each other', then that would be irrefutable. Do you have any evidence against Thor in this specific run having FTL reflexes?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Did you give up Carv?

Nope...just got back. About to respond.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No he doesn't, the opposite is true.

Why. Their punches hurt because they are energy fighters and energytanks, they suck physically comapred to heralds. Their punches hurt more because their blunt force durability isn't on the same level as their energy one. SSJ4 Goku couldn't lift a city, a part of it was too much. Their strength isn't good enough to even scratch someone like thor. They would break their bones. When Thor with his planetary strength hits a DBZ char they would most likely die. Like you pointed out, a punch hurts them more.

Lol at them sacking physically when their hits are destroying the surrounding area. Hell, Goku and Buu punched either other so hard that it changed the entire landscape. I don't think you know much about DBZ.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at them sacking physically when their hits are destroying the surrounding area. Hell, Goku and Buu punched either other so hard that it changed the entire landscape. I don't think you know much about DBZ. Thor and Gorr were punching each other so hard they were breaking worlds.

Provide a DBZ feat that matches this.

Also Broly is weaker than Buu.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Do you? I'm not talking about travel speed, I'm talking about this part:

"Gorr can of course track their massively FTL movement and attacks them as they approach. Guess what that means? Guess what it means when they easily react to it? "

If you're moving one direction and something intersects with your path perpendicularly, there is only a very brief window where you're within reach to hit that thing with a hammer. Thor did this at massively FTL speeds.

You're still not making sense. How about this, King Ki was able to track Goku ship that was flying to Namek at FTL speed but he was unable to track Goku and Frieza fighting. Does that make Goku FTL speed during the Saiyan saga.

Also, Goku was in the heart of a Nuke before it went off, the HEART OF IT, and out raced it before it even touched him. Can Thor do this? Can Thor move so fast that punches and blasts appears as if it is going through him? If so, provide evidence. What if Goku disappeared right in front of him, can Thor track him? If so, provide proof.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor and Gorr were punching each other so hard they were breaking worlds.

Provide a DBZ feat that matches this.

Also Broly is weaker than Buu.

Thor best showing. Too bad Thor will not even hit Broly. Broly ruined a Galaxy in short time (didn't say destroy). Prove that Thor can tank multiple planet busting attacks at super speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor best showing. Too bad Thor will not even hit Broly. Broly ruined a Galaxy in short time (didn't say destroy). Prove that Thor can tank multiple planet busting attacks at super speed. Prove it was a "short time".

Thor doesn't need to physically touch Broly to harm him, as seen by Thor devastating planets and making stars flicker on accident.

Bro, Thor just needs to fly around and he'll kill Broly on accident.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Don't make me kill you...

The power of The House of El is too strong!

You can't harm me!

However, the pain of choosing between Broly and Thor is overwhelming you.

YOU'RE WELCOME!

Originally posted by carver9
You're still not making sense. How about this, King Ki was able to track Goku ship that was flying to Namek at FTL speed but he was unable to track Goku and Frieza fighting. Does that make Goku FTL speed during the Saiyan saga.

Also, Goku was in the heart of a Nuke before it went off, the HEART OF IT, and out raced it before it even touched him. Can Thor do this? Can Thor move so fast that punches and blasts appears as if it is going through him? If so, provide evidence. What if Goku disappeared right in front of him, can Thor track him? If so, provide proof. Arguably, but that actually is a prolonged long distance flight, unlike when Thor fought Gorr.

He wouldn't need to be mach 100 to do that, lol.

Which nuke is that btw?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove it was a "short time".

Thor doesn't need to physically touch Broly to harm him, as seen by Thor devastating planets and making stars flicker on accident.

Bro, Thor just needs to fly around and he'll kill Broly on accident.

How many yrs would it take someone to go planet by planet destroying everything in every solar system to the point that it ruined a galaxy. Add that to Broly age. Now Broly was either going many times faster than light to achieve what he did or he ruined a Galaxy within a short time. Your choice. By the way, how do you always find DBZ characters threads vs DC Marvel? Do you smell threads that is involving the characters so that you can go in them and low ball like usual?

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's only a stretch because Thor having FTL feats like Superman makes you uncomfortable, lol.

Terrible appeal to motive fallacy attempt.

And no, I'm about as objective as I can be. I gave Thor a majority over Superman years back when I believed he was close enough to Superman in speed. But he's not. Not even remotely close. FTL flying in space is not a reliable basis for combat speed, not without specific narration, or else thousands of characters would have basically infinite reflex speed.

Hell, I'd have to be worried about Cartoon Teen Titan Starfire being FTL reflexes for demonstrating space flight of that speed too.




The went the shortest route. Straight ahead. They have all of space to maneuver in front of them.




Umm...reaction time is based on the *time* it takes to react.

Gorr clearly had seconds to react. That is plenty of time.

It took them several seconds to get to where he is. Their speed is irrelevant to the time he has to do something.




What kind of crazy gymnastic lingo are you even trying to do here?

Gorr and the Thor's have comparable reaction time obviously.

He landed on a moon. Had seconds before they got there. Clearly its known that he can sense Godly energy. Locking on to something that obvious to him is not anything remotely important or indicative of great reflexes.

Else King Kai would have FTL reflexes for being able to pin-point Goku's ki and talk to him while he's on a FTL ship going to Namek.

He started throwing chunks while they are seconds away, knowing where they were coming, they run into said chunks (not even outmaneuvering it), and thus we are left with no reflex feats that amount to FTL whatsoever.

Easily summed up without any need for FTL reflexes, other than what we'd have to award for hundreds if not thousands of characters that don't demonstrate it with limb speed on land yet can conveniently call upon the fly-very-fast-in-space trope.

I once thought Carver was some horrible dbz Fanboy and made a bad name for its fans. Then I met the other supporters of DBZ.

I now know Carver is actually a very moderate and reasonable fellow

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The power of The House of El is too strong!

You can't harm me!

However, the pain of choosing between Broly and Thor is overwhelming you.

YOU'RE WELCOME!

Answer my message , betrayer of the House of El.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
I once thought Carver was some horrible dbz Fanboy and made a bad name for its fans. Then I met the other supporters of DBZ.

I now know Carver is actually a very moderate and reasonable fellow

Lol... I'm always reasonable.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Do you have any evidence against Thor in this specific run having FTL reflexes?

Do you have any for Thor or Gorr that demonstrate explicit FTL reflexes? Not you deriving something independently that comes from a trope feat as the base?

No. There were none in that arc.

Originally posted by carver9
How many yrs would it take someone to go planet by planet destroying everything in every solar system to the point that it ruined a galaxy. Add that to Broly age. Now Broly was either going many times faster than light to achieve what he did or he ruined a Galaxy within a short time. Your choice. By the way, how do you always find DBZ characters threads vs DC Marvel? Do you smell threads that is involving the characters so that you can go in them and low ball like usual? Or he could use his FTL space ship.

Carver, are you being intentionally ironic when you accuse me of lowballing?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Arguably, but that actually is a prolonged long distance flight, unlike when Thor fought Gorr.

He wouldn't need to be mach 100 to do that, lol.

Which nuke is that btw?

Doesn't matter how long it was. The ship was going FTL.

Prove he can do it. By the way, Jeice and Burta attack is faster than Roshi attack.

Frieza Nuke.

So Carver you agree that thor can fly via Mjolnir, at FTL speeds.


Do you think the initial Hammer rush would hit him? Even if the others don't.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Or he could use his FTL space ship.

Carver, are you being intentionally ironic when you accuse me of lowballing?

Lol...so he destroyed a planet, closed the door, opened it again, destroyed a planet, closed the door, rinse and repeat? Are you crazy or something? During that entire film we never saw Broly in a space ship, he flew around space the entire time. STOP LOW BALLING.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So Carver you agree that thor can fly via Mjolnir, at FTL speeds.


Do you think the initial Hammer rush would hit him? Even if the others don't.

Hell no. This is from a pissed Thor.

http://s1096.photobucket.com/user/Fernando072295/media/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg.html

Also, again, people like Broly and Goku would see Thor in moving in slo mo. Hell, Burta moved so fast that time went to a halt for him. Now compare Burta to the upper tier people. Now again, what if Broly disappeared right in front of Thor, is there proof Thor could track him?

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
So Carver you agree that thor can fly via Mjolnir, at FTL speeds.


Do you think the initial Hammer rush would hit him? Even if the others don't.

Thor still has to spin to get it to that speed, and there is a scan someone posted before of Odin telling Thor that Mjolnir can spin faster than light.

Thor is unsure, he tries for a little bit, doesn't start too great, and then he keeps trying and it suddenly goes faster than light, and he is surprised.

That set the precedence for the idea that it is Mjolnir's magic that causes it to spin that fast, not really Thor's physical speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell no. This is from a pissed Thor.

http://s1096.photobucket.com/user/Fernando072295/media/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg.html

Also, again, people like Broly and Goku would see Thor in moving in slo mo. Hell, Burta moved so fast that time went to a halt for him. Now compare Burta to the upper tier people. Now again, what if Broly disappeared right in front of Thor, is there proof Thor could track him?

Not seeing how that scan is bad. Since you also think that Hulk will counter a blitzing flash irc.

Originally posted by carver9
Hell no. This is from a pissed Thor.

http://s1096.photobucket.com/user/Fernando072295/media/hulkvsavengers01_zps487bcb53.jpg.html

Also, again, people like Broly and Goku would see Thor in moving in slo mo. Hell, Burta moved so fast that time went to a halt for him. Now compare Burta to the upper tier people. Now again, what if Broly disappeared right in front of Thor, is there proof Thor could track him?

Carver, when did Burter and Jeice ever move that fast?

Burter and Jeice would not have been more than a few multiple times faster than Gohan, Krillin at that point scaling from power levels. Both of whom got stopped dead in their tracks by Guldo's time freeze.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Terrible appeal to motive fallacy attempt.

And no, I'm about as objective as I can be. I gave Thor a majority over Superman years back when I believed he was close enough to Superman in speed. But he's not. Not even remotely close. FTL flying in space is not a reliable basis for combat speed, not without specific narration, or else thousands of characters would have basically infinite reflex speed.

Hell, I'd have to be worried about Cartoon Teen Titan Starfire being FTL reflexes for demonstrating space flight of that speed too.


It's only an appeal to motive my friend if I use it to support my argument. I'm not bringing up your transparent motives in an attempt to do anything of the sort. I am simply bringing them up.

You're getting too defensive, it's okay man. I think Superman is on average much faster than Thor too.



I see you didn't get the point.



All right, let me spell this out to you.

How far away would you wager the Thors were from Gorr when the chunk of moon reached them? Ten planetary diameters maybe?

Now, Gorr somehow managed to pick up a huge chunk of the moon, and toss it at them at about an equivalent speed when they were that close. While they were moving millions of times faster than the speed of light.

And you somehow believe Gorr can't have FTL reaction-time?



Good, at least we agree on this.



K.



I don't recall King Kai having to react to Goku's speed, he just had to sense his Ki.



So you believe he chose to throw the rocks very very slowly, rather than at the full speed he could muster?

This reminds me of when people used to argue Zeus chose to throw slow lightning bolts at Kratos.



It's a much more complicated, far more brainless explanation without need for FTL reflexes, sure.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor best showing.
World Engine, Celestials, Surtur, etc.

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't matter how long it was. The ship was going FTL.

Prove he can do it. By the way, Jeice and Burta attack is faster than Roshi attack.

Frieza Nuke. No, it does. People can track the paths of things much faster than they are because it's over such a long distance.

He's moved faster than the speed of light, of course he can do it.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so he destroyed a planet, closed the door, opened it again, destroyed a planet, closed the door, rinse and repeat? Are you crazy or something? During that entire film we never saw Broly in a space ship, he flew around space the entire time. STOP LOW BALLING. We see him fly through space to another world once.

We actually see him use a space ship more times.

Glad to know you can't prove he flew to those planets himself though.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Carver, when did Burter and Jeice ever move that fast?

Burter and Jeice would not have been more than a few multiple times faster than Gohan, Krillin at that point scaling from power levels. Both of whom got stopped dead in their tracks by Guldo's time freeze.

Burta moved that fast when Vegeta threw the Dragonball and Burta chased after it. Krillin and the crew wasn't as fast as the Ginyu force during that time.

Originally posted by carver9
Burta moved that fast when Vegeta threw the Dragonball and Burta chased after it. Krillin and the crew wasn't as fast as the Ginyu force during that time.

Wasn't it shown that the dragonball catch, guldo stopped time for?

Originally posted by NemeBro
We see him fly through space to another world once.

We actually see him use a space ship more times.

Glad to know you can't prove he flew to those planets himself though. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114283/3156048-frieza+statement.jpg
Saiyans can't survive in space, of course he needed a frigging space ship, Carver.

@Cosmic...

We do have this showing as well. Krillin and Gohan firing an attack and they out race it to its destination.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/303411-fat_super.jpg.html?sort=9&o=12

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114283/3156048-frieza+statement.jpg
Saiyans can't survive in space, of course he needed a frigging space ship, Carver.

Look at the film. Why are you debating against a character you have no idea of his abilities...let alone seen the film. Broly flew threw space...even as a baby.

Originally posted by NemeBro
We see him fly through space to another world once.

We actually see him use a space ship more times.

Glad to know you can't prove he flew to those planets himself though.

Aaaahhhhh, so he flew threw space on a ship that was going FTL while destroying planets at the same time? That means that his reflexes and his perception is FTL. I can accept that as well.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Wasn't it shown that the dragonball catch, guldo stopped time for?

Burta would have stopped as well. So I guess Burta can move so fast that he can move through time stop.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Not seeing how that scan is bad. Since you also think that Hulk will counter a blitzing flash irc.

Lol...Hulk blitz all.

Originally posted by carver9
Aaaahhhhh, so he flew threw space on a ship that was going FTL while destroying planets at the same time? That means that his reflexes and his perception is FTL. I can accept that as well. ??? He could stop you know...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
??? He could stop you know...

So again, like I said before, he flew to a planet, stopped, blew it up, flew to another one, stopped, blew it up. How long would it take someone in a ship, opening that slow A** door, to fly to each planet, star in a galaxy and cause enough damage to devastate it (to the point that it was stated that the Galaxy was destroyed)? How old would that make Broly? Then add that age to Goku and Chichi since they are the same age.

Originally posted by carver9
Burta would have stopped as well. So I guess Burta can move so fast that he can move through time stop.

Naw I got it wrong, it wasn't stopped. Still doesn't prove that Burter is FTL

As I don't remember that era Gohan and them having any FTL feats

Originally posted by NemeBro
It's only an appeal to motive my friend if I use it to support my argument. I'm not bringing up your transparent motives in an attempt to do anything of the sort. I am simply bringing them up.

You're getting too defensive, it's okay man. I think Superman is on average much faster than Thor too.

You brought that up in an attempt to discredit my position.




Sorry, but what? On what basis do you have to claim that his toss was at an equivalent speed of their flight? Not to mention, by claiming they were large pieces, you also take away from the supposed accuracy bit you were going for.





Yes, and they all have obviously well sub-lightspeed reaction time.





That's all Gorr would have had to do too. Sense their energy, throw big chunks in the direction that said energy was travelling. Not any huge mental, mathematical calculations he'd have to run in his head about their trajectory or anything. He had seconds to sense them, form retaliation attempt, they were only going in one likely direction afterall (straight at him), and he tossed a huge chunk in that direction.




Lolwut? He was throwing them as fast as he could within the few seconds he had, obviously. They were simply not faster than light.

He flew FTL. So did the Thors. Why is he suddenly assumed to be throwing chunks of the moon FTL though?




If it takes more thought to point out, then it is most certainly not more 'brainless', cretin.

Sure, I suppose you can say 'Occam's Razor', perhaps, but you can't quantify with bullets points to be overwhelmingly in your favor, nor would throwing that term out simply give you carte blanche to think whatever you want when another explanation works just as well, just as easily, and does not create an outlier within Thor's entire FTL-reflexless history.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
Naw I got it wrong, it wasn't stopped. Still doesn't prove that Burter is FTL

As I don't remember that era Gohan and them having any FTL feats

You was correct, lol, time was stopped and Burta moved through time stop and Goku while not even powered up was much faster.

Well, Goku did out race the solar flare as a child and then you have Piccolo attacks being dodged who have on panel showings of shooting FTL attacks and that isn't even comparable to the blasts Frieza was shooting that Piccolo was surprised he couldn't detect (that was much faster than his FTL attack).

Originally posted by carver9
So again, like I said before, he flew to a planet, stopped, blew it up, flew to another one, stopped, blew it up. How long would it take someone in a ship, opening that slow A** door, to fly to each planet, star in a galaxy and cause enough damage to devastate it (to the point that it was stated that the Galaxy was destroyed)? How old would that make Broly? Then add that age to Goku and Chichi since they are the same age. ... I'm unsure what your point is unless you have a real number of planets he destroyed.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
... I'm unsure what your point is unless you have a real number of planets he destroyed.

However many planets and stars that are in a GALAXY to the point that this happened.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W7jEiiT5RDo


Do I honestly have to post the vid on how slow his space ship door open? Do you all really want to lowball? Like for real.

So no you don't have a number.

Lol at slow doors vs roughly 30 years of flying around.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So no you don't have a number.

Lol at slow doors vs roughly 30 years of flying around.

So it would take 30 yrs to devastate a Galaxy when you're stopping at each planet, opening a door that takes longer than it takes for me to type this sentence? Is that what you are saying? Then, when the Galaxy was destroyed, Goku met Broly the next day. That's the fastest ship in existence since again, it stopped, the door opened, and Broly had to blast, etc...and that would still mean his reflexes are FTL. Also, we see the Galaxy destroyed in seconds as shown on the vid.

Show him in frame moving faster than light, he has 3 movies if he could it would have shown it.

He got killed by a Goku punch a guy who maxes out at well below Thor.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Show him in frame moving faster than light, he has 3 movies if he could it would have shown it.

He got killed by a Goku punch a guy who maxes out at well below Thor.

at maxing out below Thor. Also Goku had power added to his own from the other Z fighters which is the reason he was able to defeat Broly.

Also, why do I need to prove how fast Broly is when I can prove Master Roshi is faster than Thor.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/3559755-thorvswolverine02_zpsc5a391d9.jpg.html?sort=9&o=51

Flight speed doesn't equal combat speed. At all. So stop using it as evidence.

Also, where does Super Saiyan Goku maxes out at?

You prove goku can lift the earth we will start there.

Does Thor fly through planets in space or are you just salty that you have no argument?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
You prove goku can lift the earth we will start there.

Does Thor fly through planets in space or are you just salty that you have no argument?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G3qThJ_9090

56 minutes. Goku and Cell licks were so hard that the entire area around them were shaking as if it was an Earth quake. Boulders and everything around them were being destroyed due to the shockwaves of their blows. This happened consistently through DBZ. Wait, let me guess, you're going to result to the Gorr fight for Thor.

Also, Gohan being worried about Videl tapped his foot on the ground while not even in Super Saiyan form and created a city wide Earth Quake FROM A Tap while not even powered up. Wait, let me guess, you're going to bring up the Gorr showing. Goku kicked Frieza so hard that the entire area they were fighting in shook as if it was an Earth quake and two mountains were destroyed during the process. Wait, let me guess, you are going to bring up the Gorr showing. Their hitting power is insane (that's not even their best) and Goku AND Broly would knock Thor the hell out.

So all i heard is "Bro, can't beat the Gorr showing" it's okay dude, the Dbz characters are glass cannons. Akira Toriyama supposedly is going to continue the story from the Buu saga so maybe that will change.

I'd personally put the top tier Z fighters at Namor level physically, able to compete with top tiers but the moment things get serious they get crushef.

ehh... i already see this thread... so yeah thor would destroy broly

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So all i heard is "Bro, can't beat the Gorr showing" it's okay dude, the Dbz characters are glass cannons. Akira Toriyama supposedly is going to continue the story from the Buu saga so maybe that will change.

I'd personally put the top tier Z fighters at Namor level physically, able to compete with top tiers but the moment things get serious they get crushef.

Lol at Namor level.

It's worth mentioning that Broly did not galaxy bust.. just as its also worth mentioning that he didn't go around individually destroying each planet.



The truth of the matter is that the galaxy was not destroyed and the only notion comes from a fancy visual explanation of "Dang that spirals ****ed up". Proven in the first movie itself where several planets are shown perfectly fine, with iirc countless stars shown around.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It's worth mentioning that Broly did not galaxy bust.. just as its also worth mentioning that he didn't go around individually destroying each planet.



The truth of the matter is that the galaxy was not destroyed and the only notion comes from a fancy visual explanation of "Dang that spirals ****ed up". Proven in the first movie itself where several planets are shown perfectly fine, with iirc countless stars shown around.

No one said he completely destroyed it but he did devastate it to the point that the remaining planets that was around was in ruins. Kind if like Odin. It was stated that he destroyed a Galaxy as well but yet he was still fighting on a planet. I would still consider both a Galaxy buster based on the fact that what a level attack they used to devastate it, a second one would most def take it out.

You do know the first Broly movie takes place directly after the frieza saga? The androids did better against the Z fighters than Broly.

Really, we can argue about why DB characters physicality doesn't match up to their ki blasts for hours, but we'd still just be stuck at "mjolnir makes Broly completely ineffective"

Hold your pony my screaming lil Paste, I got a WoT to throw around.



@Carv: Except nothing says any of that. This is all of the official information on this:

1. Original dialogue states the South Galaxy is under attack, by both the narrator and King Kai.

2. Endless numbers of planets/stars shown still in the galaxy.

3. Paragas: "He is wrecking havoc all over an area of the Southern Galaxy with his fearsome power. At his pace, even the New Planet Vegeta that we worked to establish will fall to the Legendary Super Saiyan.."

This tells us that the planet was a mess without Broly's interference (yes part of his plot, but damage-wise it makes sense), that Paragas and co were perfectly fine during this (which rules out any Galaxy razing ideas) and that most of all it was only an area of the Galaxy that was gradually being attacked.

Taking the "wrecking havoc" line along with King Kai saying he was "tearing up" the South adds to this.

4. The slave workers. The kid tells us that the they were taken when Broly wrecked his planet. Again, proof that it was not a galaxy razing event as now we have more showing to be alive during the events, and from a very weak race. Not only that but it shows us that all this destruction was under the command of Paragas, who was obviously in his ship with the crew and slaves.



..That's it. The only thing left is the scene with the galaxy blacking out, which is /directly/ opposed by #2 and #3; The fact that the stars are still everywhere and many survived. That leaves us with a statement of...;

"Planets in a section of the South Galaxy are gradually being attacked."



So this is what really happened;
Paragas in his spaceship traveled around a single area of the South Galaxy, using Broly to create a path of destruction along the way whilst picking up slaves etc.

No evidence or reasoning for either Planet busting+, an AoE above planetary nor FTL speed outside the spaceship itself.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Really, we can argue about why DB characters physicality doesn't match up to their ki blasts for hours, but we'd still just be stuck at "mjolnir makes Broly completely ineffective"

I don't think you're taking Thor's canon into proper account.

Thor's mentality has him almost always attack initially using Mjolnir as a striking weapon. In addition, Thor is a brawler and would seek to trade punches with Broly, a decision he would live to regret.

Taking Broly's combat performance he wil Blitz and given his speed advantage he will land many more shots on the Odinson.

From there you have the makings of an epic battle.

Even the Judas of the Thor Corps, Damborgson, admits to this.

And a single connecting blow will kill Broly.

How? Broly cannot possibly fight someone in Thor's tier physically, the only stat he reaches that level on is energy projection, being a competent planet buster with that. Compared to his ki his physical blows are piss in the wind.


Speed advantage? Broly is slower, unless you count PIS showings to serve lower level characters, usually outside Thor's own comics I might add, there's no way Broly can blitz him, and Broly is breaking his own hands if he tries. IE, you need to lowball Thor for Broly to be on his level speed wise.

If Broly goes into melee range he dies, pure and simple, he doesn't have the durability to survive an attack on that level that isn't ki based.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And a single connecting blow will kill Broly.

How? Broly cannot possibly fight someone in Thor's tier physically, the only stat he reaches that level on is energy projection, being a competent planet buster with that. Compared to his ki his physical blows are piss in the wind.


Speed advantage? Broly is slower, unless you count PIS showings to serve lower level characters, usually outside Thor's own comics I might add, there's no way Broly can blitz him, and Broly is breaking his own hands if he tries. IE, you need to lowball Thor for Broly to be on his level speed wise.

If Broly goes into melee range he dies, pure and simple, he doesn't have the durability to survive an attack on that level that isn't ki based.

This may be a better approach.

What opponent of Thor is comprable to Broly in your opinion?

Could Broly harm Thor with strikes?

What speedblitz(es) has Thor successfully countered?

Thor has been hurt and outstruck by beings who are vastly below Broly even at the level you appear to be placing him.

I've read the vast majority of Thor's canon and I've never seen him handle a speedblitz. The Mongoose battle is pretty definitive, to the point that even the Thor corps will accept the showing. Gladiator easily handled Thor during the first part of their fight using speed.

It's hard to peg a good analogue for Broly or, in fact, most DB characters due to how differently they function than most heralds.

Their energy projection, is without doubt, in the high herald range, able to break planets in the sextillions of tons. Broly is in that range, clearly. But in terms of physicality it's been shown definitively, any time Toriyama decided to give us clear indicators that their physical strength is much, much less.

King Kai's planet, 10x gravity. Training in 100x gravity before fighting Frieza, Broly Happens Here] Vegeta maxing out at 300x gravity in I believe the Android saga, and then reaching 450 by the time of the Buu Saga.

And then there's the Buu saga, which has base Goku struggle with 40 tons, on panel. Yes, it's base Goku, but that's strength you could expect from a decent low meta character from comic books, and it's later on in the series than Broly would've happened were he canon. Incidentally if Vegeta weighed, say, 100 kg or 220 lbs, 450 G's would put him at 49.5 tons. Which lines up pretty closely with what Goku was doing at a similar time.


The flipside of this is that, again, I can't think of a comparably physically frail comic book character that can break planets. Even if we accept the super saiyan multiplier as linearly improving a character's physical strength, and assume Frieza saga base Goku is as strong as Buu saga physically, that leaves us with about 2000 ton strength for Super Saiyan 1 Goku, Broly we could say is well above that, but even at 10 000 tons, it's just not going to work on any level of Thor that isn't jobbing, imho.

So to answer your question definitively: No, I do not believe Broly could harm Thor with strikes.

Your next question is a bit loaded, because speed blitzes are relative. If I could move at mach 1 and react appropriately I could blitz any living human, this isn't quite the same deal for Thor, whose reactions are much better than a human's. When he has been faced with enemies who can blitz he's reacted with AoE attacks to counter them. I don't actually have any comics on my computer atm

The thing is that when he's not on Earth, trying not to make the other Avengers look like dumbasses/avoid killing normal humans, Thor operates at a level where he can fight Surfer reliably and keep up with or outfight a wide swath of his own tier. A tier that exceeds the speed DBZ operates at. Gladiator for example doesn't help Broly's case because Gladiator is much faster than light. shrug

I can't recall Thor being outbrawled by characters that weak? mmm I mean, really, he's had fights where his blows shook all of Asgard, shattered planets indirectly, ****ed around with the world engine, held up the midgard serpent with his bones all mcbroky, fought Hercules in a titty twisting slap fight smashed the demigorge's face open with a hammer toss. On the whole I think his high showings such as above easily outweight the low ones, and on the average, there's simply no way a DB character, if we place Thor at the middle between these two extremes, can handle him in a brawl.

I dunno, what feat would you suggest places Broly at Thor's level physically? Particularly in terms of speed? mmm

Broly's speed in the film clearly outpaces Thor in my opinion.

To the point of strength, if they were bench-pressing; I'd give Thor the advantage. However, coupling Broly's speed with his strength, his strikes should effect Thor.

If we agree on 40 tons for Broly then adding speed to his strikes should multiply their power.

I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Thor is stronger, based on feats, lifting and punching, especially with Mjolnir, would like to see Broly feats that are greater though,

Thor is faster, traveling and even blitzing SS and Galactus.

Thor has the greater energyprojection, the Godblast hurt beings as powerful as Galactus and Celestials.

Everything thrown at Thor energywise can be redicrected or absorbed.

Broly lacks the feats. Lifting, punching etc.
Interesting.

Originally posted by carver9
I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100. Well I guess I no longer have any incentive to respond to you then.

Don't worry CC. Yours is coming soon.

Originally posted by carver9
I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100. That's a funny way of saying that you give up.

Yeah he is sort of a coward.

I broke his spirit.

Think he'll live this down? Comic Versus has to know Carver gave up on a DB character. 131

Originally posted by carver9
I have no interest in this thread anymore since it isn't in the comic vs forum. Lowball away. By the way, Goku is far above class 100. Hell, kid Goku was class 100.

This is unacceptable!

GET CARVER PRIME!

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah he is sort of a coward.
I don't see how that makes him a coward.

Making false claims and when challenged run away? I wouldn't go so far as calling Carv a coward but its definitely cowardice or trolling behaviour.

Can I call the Galaxy/FTL Broly thing debunked then?

Like it wasn't debunked god knows how long ago.....

I mean 100%, and by both sides :T

Yes its debunked.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yes its debunked.

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18800000/Broly-Screaming-broly-the-legendary-super-saiyan-18824273-574-415.jpg

He disagrees.

Image link is borked.

Anybody who thinks Thor is FTL reflex wise should check out Thor vs Angela.

http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Original%20Sin/Thor-Loki003a_zps8baf2faf.jpg.html
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Original%20Sin/Thor-Loki003b_zps44d616c9.jpg.html
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Original%20Sin/Thor-Loki003c_zps764353da.jpg.html
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Original%20Sin/Thor-Loki003d_zpsb6096554.jpg.html
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Original%20Sin/Thor-Loki003e_zpscf8ca1c6.jpg.html
http://s1007.photobucket.com/user/lgu88/media/Original%20Sin/Thor-Loki003f_zpsd663ec1a.jpg.html

Thor isn't anywhere close to lightspeed reflexes. He has feats of flying and reacting but when it comes to actually showcase those "FTL" reflexes, he chokes and burns.

He reacts but doesn't have reflexes?


Isn't it consistently shown that Thor and peers fight heralds all the time?