Superman - Crisis to Crisis [revamped]

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One_Angry_Scot
Awesome respect thread Philosophia.

Been reading it as you added more each time and it's really good. Awesomely detailed.

Good introduction for anyone who wanted to look into Superman thumb up

Galan007
Wow, someone finally took the time to make a true Superman respect thread. Excellent work... I applaud the effort. thumb up

abhilegend
Great googly moogly, this thread is AWESOME!!


I will be posting a few feats which Phil has overlooked.

abhilegend
First, let me start with statements about power.

Energy Superman is stated to be less powerful than normal Superman and yet among the four most powerful beings on Earth. J'onn says that at normal levels Superman could do what the whole group of them could do. Alone.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534193/Genesis_2_pg01.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534201/Genesis_2_pg14.JPG.html


Superman is described as the most powerful mortal on earth.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534411/Superman_v2_Annual_07_-_48.jpg.html

Batman says it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534117/20.jpg.html

Narration states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534348/Superman_Batman_32-02.JPG.html

Metron states it.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/thenext01b.jpg


Spectre states that Superman/Wonder Woman are two mightiest beings in universeS!

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/soulwar01a.jpg


Quintessence state it. Notice Shazam agreeing that and stating that Superman would cause the death of his next champion.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/actioncomics794p06vg0.jpg

Alan Scott states it.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/08-09.jpg

Jimmy olsen states that Martian Manhunter is "almost as powerful as Superman."

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534124/Action_823_23.jpg.html
Eclipso states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534142/Adventures_Of_Superman_Annual_04-45.jpg.html

The Weird states it.

http://i.imgur.com/Lshr8OA.jpg

Batman states it again.

http://i.imgur.com/eiER9bc.jpg

A being who has the files on every metahuman on earth states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534164/AdventuresOfSuperman517p22.jpg.html


Narration states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15924929/JLA-80PageGiant2-42.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15924931/JLA-80PageGiant2-43.jpg.html

Lana Lang states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16568565/Action811_14.jpg.html


Waverider states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16561910/Superman_v2_Annual_03-07.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16561921/Superman_v2_Annual_03-08.jpg.html

Kents state it. While showing Martian Manhunter and Hal Jordan.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16545150/Superman_-_Secret_Files__Origins_01_16.jpg.html

Superman himself states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16562861/ManOfSteel101p01.jpg.html

Ganthet states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16563156/Green_Lantern_1995-64-09.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16563157/GreenLanternv3064a.jpg.html


Ancient League state it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16563540/jla_74_-_kebbin_07.jpg.html

"Their best is down."
Hal Jordan state it.


http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14808068/db444e7b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14808069/0c899a70.jpg.html


Maxima states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16573495/jla-v2-annual-06-41hacsa.jpg.html

krisblaze
Good job Philerino!

Mandrakk fight was an instant classic. Loved it ever since.

Rao Kal El
I really like it how you separated Superman in periods.

Great job, I will add some when time allows it

but AWESOME job Phil

paisapower
Very nice, and it only took you 4 years ! 😉

Kamahamaha
Brilliant Thread, it shows two clear things, Superman has some pretty exotic high end powers and his basic power set as a combination for speed, strength etc. I much higher than his peers.

CatL18
It is Awesome Respect thread!
I am new to this forum, but I appreciate this new respect thread.
Good job Philerino!

By the way, Isn't there other telepathic resistance feat in Hero era?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Respect. thumb up Awesome thread, 26 years of feats, damn, you are the best!

Warrior Madness
Originally posted by abhilegend
First, let me start with statements about power.

Energy Superman is stated to be less powerful than normal Superman and yet among the four most powerful beings on Earth. J'onn says that at normal levels Superman could do what the whole group of them could do. Alone.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534193/Genesis_2_pg01.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534201/Genesis_2_pg14.JPG.html


Superman is described as the most powerful mortal on earth.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534411/Superman_v2_Annual_07_-_48.jpg.html

Batman says it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534117/20.jpg.html

Narration states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534348/Superman_Batman_32-02.JPG.html

Metron states it.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/thenext01b.jpg


Spectre states that Superman/Wonder Woman are two mightiest beings in universeS!

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Crazy%20Feats/soulwar01a.jpg


Quintessence state it. Notice Shazam agreeing that and stating that Superman would cause the death of his next champion.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/actioncomics794p06vg0.jpg

Alan Scott states it.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/08-09.jpg

Jimmy olsen states that Martian Manhunter is "almost as powerful as Superman."

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534124/Action_823_23.jpg.html
Eclipso states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534142/Adventures_Of_Superman_Annual_04-45.jpg.html

The Weird states it.

http://i.imgur.com/Lshr8OA.jpg

Batman states it again.

http://i.imgur.com/eiER9bc.jpg

A being who has the files on every metahuman on earth states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534164/AdventuresOfSuperman517p22.jpg.html


Narration states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15924929/JLA-80PageGiant2-42.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15924931/JLA-80PageGiant2-43.jpg.html

Lana Lang states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16568565/Action811_14.jpg.html


Waverider states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16561910/Superman_v2_Annual_03-07.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16561921/Superman_v2_Annual_03-08.jpg.html

Kents state it. While showing Martian Manhunter and Hal Jordan.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16545150/Superman_-_Secret_Files__Origins_01_16.jpg.html

Superman himself states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16562861/ManOfSteel101p01.jpg.html

Ganthet states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16563156/Green_Lantern_1995-64-09.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16563157/GreenLanternv3064a.jpg.html


Ancient League state it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16563540/jla_74_-_kebbin_07.jpg.html

"Their best is down."
Hal Jordan state it.


http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14808068/db444e7b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14808069/0c899a70.jpg.html


Maxima states it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16573495/jla-v2-annual-06-41hacsa.jpg.html

Awesome! And some fanboys still want to contest it... cool

Mindship
Excellent job, Philosophia. Haven't read it all yet, but the organization really gives a handle on the Big Picture of the Icon.

-Pr-
Phil... Nicely done.

bluewaterrider
I'm almost scared of what the answer might be, but, in that scene on page 1 where Supes is fighting Mongul, given that Mongul has no chest plate or upper body ray devices like Iron Man or even Kraven the Hunter, where exactly is Mongul firing a beam from?

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Warrior Madness
Originally posted by abhilegend
First, let me start with statements about power.

Energy Superman is stated to be less powerful than normal Superman and yet among the four most powerful beings on Earth. J'onn says that at normal levels Superman could do what the whole group of them could do. Alone.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16534201/Genesis_2_pg14.JPG.html


Abhi; could you please post this link again or tell me which issue this is from? Thanks.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Warrior Madness
Abhi; could you please post this link again or tell me which issue this is from? Thanks.
Genesis 2.

Time Immemorial
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Time Immemorial
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Delta1938
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm almost scared of what the answer might be, but, in that scene on page 1 where Supes is fighting Mongul, given that Mongul has no chest plate or upper body ray devices like Iron Man or even Kraven the Hunter, where exactly is Mongul firing a beam from?

confused

IIRC Mongul had a weapon surgically implanted into his chest.

sta8541
This thread is totally awesome. Thank you, so much, for the work that went into it, & for sharing it with us.

panthergod
This thread is nearly PEFECT!. The ONLY issue i have is with a couple timeline placements; I'd say Morrison's JLA was BEFORe the Mongul trainin upgrade at the beginning of Loeb/ Berganza era.

abhilegend
Not that anybody doubts it but Kyle admits he is not as powerful as Superman.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23684094_P00008.jpg

big grin

Zack Fair
boner alert.

Really like the layout and organization. great job phil

abhilegend
A 15 yer old Clark who had his powers jumpstarted, oneshots a white martian.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23977916_The_Legion_030-14.jpg http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/23977917_The_Legion_030-16.jpg

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abhilegend
Ok, its often asked just how powerful Sundipped Superman was compared to normal Superman in OWAW.

So first lets see how Normal Superman, Captain Marvel, Captain Atom and Wonder Woman were faring against mere hardlight constructs of Warworld.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028860/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg09.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Not great it seems. Entropy Aegis comes and oneshots all of them in one panel.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

Now Warworld's tendril that was connecting to Earth. It was so strong that a suicide attempt by Maxima and Massacre was just enough to send a shiver through it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028862/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg10.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028865/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg11.jpg.html

Entropy Aegis severed it in one attack though. The tendrils healed back.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028866/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg12.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028868/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg13.jpg.html

And even Themyscira thrown to the tendril barely caused any trouble to it.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028871/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/24028872/Man_Of_Steel_117_pg15.jpg.html

Superman, Captain Marvel and Captain Atom were unable to do anything to it apparently, so they went in to divert B13's attention. So far so good.

Until B13 makes the tendrils a hundred times more powerful and even Entropy Aegis is useless.

http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/24028971_Action_Comics_782_pg12.jpg

Superman sundipped and effortlessly broke the conduits/tendrils magnified hundredfold in power when normal Superman couldn't take it on at normal level along with several top tiers.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips3.jpg
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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips6.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips7.jpg
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http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips11.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips12.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips13.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips14.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/supessundips15.jpg

Superman was at least powered up by a factor of hundreds.

abhilegend
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Philosophía
Some updates from Convergence.

Superman vs the Flashpoint versions of Captain Marvel (i.e. Captain Thunder), Abin Sur and Cyborg:

Round I:

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20001-016_zpssbooeb6a.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20001-017_zpsoyccxarc.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20001-019_zps5lsdjsqr.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20001-020_zpss6wtonxe.jpg


Round II:

http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20002-004_zpsjmndzqiv.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20002-005_zpsg9rdpfum.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20002-006_zpsxvc7aneg.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20002-007_zpszgxjswua.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20002-008_zpsy3aoykpj.jpg
http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w403/Philosophia/Convergence%20-%20Superman%202015%20002-009_zpsewh0guow.jpg

abhilegend
This is a doozy. You know when Superman ripped Darkseid from source wall? That has happened once before and it took Metron weakening source wall and a fricking Promethean Giant to do it.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266596_12348428_1298533090164179_1728995677_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266597_12583660_1298533130164175_1241665760_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266598_12584051_1298533170164171_451684533_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266599_12596093_1298533120164176_1746329233_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266601_12607226_1298533150164173_934500139_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266602_12625616_1298533143497507_1127676140_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266603_12625671_1298533123497509_456328724_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266604_12647780_1298533116830843_62271549_n.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/25266600_12596245_1298533133497508_1649076982_n.jpg

That shows how insane that feat was. And the feat where Superman destroys a planet size chunk is even more insane.

abhilegend
Survives a red sun supernova.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27025929_235_Adam_Strange_01_Page_11.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27025930_235_Adam_Strange_01_Page_12.jpg http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/27025931_241_Adam_Strange_07_Page_10.jpg

dvampire
That's a speed feat. He's in the galaxy to warn ran of the supernova but evacuated before it hit him. He's very fast.

CatL18
How do you interpret Cosmic Armor Superman's metafictional feat in Superman Beyond 3D?
Some said that he is far beyond DC "story" and above even Presence or WF mxy because they are still within DC "story".
Others said that Cosmic Armor is only Skyfather level because of statement about "heat of 10 billion sun".
What tier do you put him?

Galan007
^ Thought-Robot was =/> than Mandrakk I, who represented the essence of 'evil story' on a metatextual level, and had been siphoning the multiverse's Bleed into himself for eons. Due to Thought-Robot's adaptive/dynamic nature, he and Mandrakk continuously became more and more powerful as the story progressed. The battle finally ended when Thought-Robot pushed Mandrakk into the Overvoid -- the mind of the Primal Monitor.

To put the original Mandrakk's power into perspective, even his vastly weaker iteration was >> Spectre+Radiant. It ultimately required a wish from the Miracle Machine, in conjunction with direct intervention from SuperJudge Nix Uotan(who was acting in a multiversal capacity), to overcome him.


That being said, Thought-Robot was about as powerful as a character/item/object can be within the realm of in-universe story... Beyond multiversal. The notion that it was Skyfather-level is absurd, and likely propagated by people who either a.) are trying to downplay it by any means(no matter how ridiculous), b.) simply did not comprehend the source material, OR c.) a mixture of both.

CatL18
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Thought-Robot was =/> than Mandrakk I, who represented the essence of 'evil story' on a metatextual level, and had been siphoning the multiverse's Bleed into himself for eons. Due to Thought-Robot's adaptive/dynamic nature, he and Mandrakk continuously became more and more powerful as the story progressed. The battle finally ended when Thought-Robot pushed Mandrakk into the Overvoid -- the mind of the Primal Monitor.

To put the original Mandrakk's power into perspective, even his vastly weaker iteration was >> Spectre+Radiant. It ultimately required a wish from the Miracle Machine, in conjunction with direct intervention from SuperJudge Nix Uotan(who was acting in a multiversal capacity), to overcome him.


That being said, Thought-Robot was about as powerful as a character/item/object can be within the realm of in-universe story... Beyond multiversal. The notion that it was Skyfather-level is absurd, and likely propagated by people who either a.) are trying to downplay it by any means(no matter how ridiculous), b.) simply did not comprehend the source material, OR c.) a mixture of both.
Thank you for your response, Galan.

In fact, i can understand that power level of Cosmic Armor depends on how people interpret metafictional concept by Grant Morrison in Superman Beyond 3D and other Morrison's story(because Morrison's story are related to each other).
So, i can understand that there are difference about how people interpret CAS, and there are people who treat CAS as ridiculous.
But, considering only that Bleed space encompasses DC "story"(because Bleed is ink) and how tiny is Bleed space from higer sphere, CAS being only Skyfather level is nonsense, i think.

Do most people discussing CAS in all over the internet actually read Final Crisis and Superman Beyond 3D(and Supergods written by Morrison)?
Or, do people misunderstand Superman Beyond 3D because it is too metafictional?
Or, do people discuss without reading?

Philosophía
So, I'm in a dilemma.

I can either:

a). Update the thread with post-Crisis/pre-Flashpoint Superman feats post-Rebirth

or

b). Wait until mid-year after the Superman crossover/Rebirth reveals are done, to see what's the deal with New 52 Superman/this version .

Now, my assumption is that they will merge/it will be revealed that they're the same character, in which case:

1). I have to update this thread with New 52 Superman feats
2). Also add the feats from Rebirth up to the merging/reveal.

CosmicComet
I would go with B.

-Pr-
Same.

Philosophía
thumb up

I'll come back to this thread as soon as the explanation is revealed.

Ptr_Grifin
Out of curiosity, what is leading you to that assumption? Admittedly, I'm not very well kept up on comics lately.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Out of curiosity, what is leading you to that assumption? Admittedly, I'm not very well kept up on comics lately. The blatant connection to Superman Red/Blue that they have, and strongly insinuating that they're both part of a whole.

Hell, they're literally shown as Red/Blue in the solicits for April:
http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/AC_Cv976.jpg

With this solicit:



Not to mention that the whole deal about Rebirth is that ALL of the heroes are the same as they were Pre-Flashpoint, they just don't remember it. Somehow, the Superman are two different characters, which gets me to the above point.

Then you have the solicit of the aftermath of the crossover:



Then you also account for the changed costume..

I'm 95% sure they're merging, and I really hope that's the case.

Ptr_Grifin
Oh wow. I haven't seen that cover or those solicits yet. I can definitely see what you are saying. Its kind of neat seeing the two Supermen drawn together. I hope they don't do away with Lois. When Wally returned, I was wondering how the two Supermen would play out.

Thanks for posting that.

panthergod
The merged Superman should be the Authentic Superman-- the Pre-Crisis Superman with full memories of his entire history from the Golden Age, SILVER Age, Post Crisis, Post Zero Hour, Post Birthright, Post IC, And Nu52 integrated. Anything else is another continuity error AGAIN.

Philosophía
As predicted, Post-Crisis Superman and New 52 are literally the same guy and they've become whole again in today's issue of Action Comics.

I will be updating the thread with New 52 and DC Rebirth feats, as they're valid going forward for a single character.

abhilegend
Superman is outright stated to be more powerful than Hal Jordan.

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/35463990_RCO014_1469626189.jpg

Philosophía
It's easy to miss this, due to the fact that it's not put an emphasis on, but an astronomical durability feat.

For reference, Darkseid's sum is at this point:

- Anti-Life Equation, which when inside Steve, the eye beams have one-shotted Mobius :

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/35657959_Justice_League_2011-_049-019.jpghttps://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/35657960_Justice_League_2011-_049-020.jpghttps://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/35657961_Justice_League_2011-_049-021.jpg

- Omega Effect, which Luthor has matched Mobius output:

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/35657958_Justice_League_2011-_049-006.jpg

- All of the Gods that the Justice League got possessed by



https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5661/23135259745_a5ddcff676_o.jpg

What happens when Darkseid's attack is directed at the league?
Superman shields everybody by tanking his attack :

https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t/35657962_Justice_League_2011-_050-026.jpg

Yeah...

abhilegend
You missed one thing, Superman even matched Darkseid's blast with HV.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/27591968/Justice_League_2011-_050-028.jpg.html

Last panel.

Philosophía
I didn't post it because Darkseid's beams seemed to be winning, and it would only distract from this ridiculous tanking feat.

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