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Saber, force all out.

Hego wins

Plagueis 6 / 10

I doubt Windu could get a single round, personally.

This has been done so many times...

Plagueis slaughterhouse.

New Rule : Windu amped by Vaapad.

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In that case, Windu wins in a pure duel without too much trouble, if not easily, considering how Plagueis hated duels and didn't train himself for over 30 years, but the latter still stomps with the Force.

Well, it's reassuring to know that Mace Windu fans now accept that he can only fight beings like Sidious/Plagueis with a plot device, rather than off his own merit.

Nah, Mace might actually be capable of defeating Plagueis.

Not without a plot device.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Nah, Mace might actually be capable of defeating Plagueis.



And Vaapad amplification is nothing like a temporary amp or like a territory advantage, it is belong to Mace's power set.

That is why Lucas himself said that Windu can be a challenge to the Emperor.

Lol.

Originally posted by Marco1907
New Rule : Windu amped by Vaapad.

Wouldn't that be an assumption? Windu can use vapaad whenever he wants to.

I would have normally gone with Windu, but now I'm no longer sure.

In Windu's corner:

Vapaad + superconducting loop was enough to beat Palpatine
Plagueis is not known for his bladework, nor has he ever fought anyone of Windu's ability. He also has no knowledge of vapaad (whilst it isn't too difficult to buy that his apprentice, himself a form VII practitioner, prepped for a possible duel with the jedi master)
Plagueis has his vulnerable breathing apparatus

In Plagueis's corner:

It's possible he has access to esoteric Force abilities and sorcery of which Windu is unaware of
The RotS novelization suggests that Windu was fighting Palpatine at a level far beyond his base due to his heightened emotional state.
It's also suggested that Windu would have fallen soon after the other masters had he not sunken into vapaad, so, in the absence of such fodder Plagueis could end the duel early if he has Palpatine's speed

I'm still going with Mace, simply because I don't think Plagueis is as dangerous in a one v. one scenario as his apprentice, who was as much a master of the lightsaber as he was of the Force.

Originally posted by Skybreaker
Wouldn't that be an assumption? Windu can use vapaad whenever he wants to.


Mace has been shown to be afraid of sinking into Vapaad because he doesn't want to be consumed by darkness. In Shatterpoint, when he was on a dark-side nexus, he pretty much chose to almost die rather than use Vapaad.

Of course, I don't think Mace would have as much of a reservation towards using it against someone like Plagueis, but I'd still give Plagueis the win.

Originally posted by red8
Mace has been shown to be afraid of sinking into Vapaad because he doesn't want to be consumed by darkness. In Shatterpoint, when he was on a dark-side nexus, he pretty much chose to almost die rather than use Vapaad.

Of course, I don't think Mace would have as much of a reservation towards using it against someone like Plagueis,

I don't think he would either, especially if he is aware of the sith lord's identity, and the whole "unbalance the Force" machinations.



How so? Windu knocked a significantly deadlier Palpatine on his ass, and deflected his lightning right back at his face. Plagueis is a scholar, not a warrior, and typically gets away with this because all of his enemies are pathetically weaker than him.

The only manner in which I see Plagueis winning is if he either has some arcane sith bullshit he can pull from his ass, or if Windu really was so far beyond his baseline when he was fighting Palpatine.

Good fight

Plagueis.

all out goes to Plaguies easily; studious took a dive, wind has never been a threat to a sith lord of either of these guys' caliber

George Lucas kinda disagrees tbh.

Darth Plagueis.

Plagueis.

Plagueis, great fight

Wasn't Plagueis stronger than Sidious before he died? Sidious used poison or something to take him out iirc, but it has been a while since i read the novel.

Plagueis was stronger then pre-prime Sidious. Sidious became stronger since TPM.

As I remember, Lucas was asked why B-team members died so easily, and quote about Yoda and Mace was actually a part of his answer to that question. Which may mean, that Lucas was talking about sword fight, not all-out. And lightning part is that one, when Sidious fakes his weaknes.

Windu should takes sabers.
Plagueis takes the Force and should take all-out as well.