Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
lol, Don't worry bantha, I have faith that i will bring ya down a notch
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Anyway, the video showed that despite being hindered by Rosh, Jaden was still able to catch up with him despite Rosh having a significant head start.
Perhaps Jaden may not match Gnost's speed, but he is a practitioner of it and has other abilities at his disposal to combat Gnost. Force repulse and his potent TK, i have no doubt that Gnost himself is a powerful practitioner of TK, however Jaden is far more impressive in that regard.
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As duelists, I feel we're underrating Jaden a bit, Gnost is a generalist, using and chaining all of the seven forms in sequence, however it seems that his preferred forms are Soresu, Djem So and Juyo. While Jaden himself is a practitioner of The fast style and Medium Style, two hybrid forms incorporating various elements from the old traditional Lightsaber forms.
Note: The forms that are in bold are the ones that Gnost has used before.
Soresu: Soresu would not be something Jaden would struggle with himself as the Fast Style is the defensive form of the NJO and carries traces of Soresu as does the Medium Style
Djem So:: Djem So would not be something that would catch Jaden off guard as The fast style incorporates Shien/Djem So into it's arsenal and Jaden was trained by Kyle Katarn, the battlemaster of the NJO and a master of Djem So and Jaden himself is a skilled practitioner of Shien.
Ataru: Like with Djem So and Soresu, Ataru is also incorporated into the fast style and Jaden himself demonstrates his prowess with it against Alora and the Jedi master Relin.
Niman: The medium style incorperates Niman along with Shii-Cho into it's sequences and the form it self is considered the "Jack-Of-All-Trades" style of the NJO.
Juyo: This is one i find to be a bit difficult, Jaden has faced highly aggressive fighters such as Alora & Marka Ragnos however, Alora was a practitioner of the fast style and Ragnos lived in an era were swords were still common so his style would be highly unpredictable, He has also fought against the Alpha clone who was relentless in his assault(which could have been Juyo)
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Makashi is a form he recognized, granted he might know it, however he does not showcase his prowess with the form in the book(not to my knowledge at least, please correct me if am wrong)
Shii-Cho is a form most are expected to learn, yet few continue to use after apprenticeship/initiation, so while he may know it, he is not a master of the form, nor has he showcased his prowess with it(again correct me if i am wrong)
If anything, Gnost would be the one unfamiliar with Jaden's form due to the hybrid nature of The Fast and Medium styles.
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Ugh try as still might this looks so damn disorganized. Sorry about that Bantha & Viewers.
*cracks his knuckles and neck* okay lets got to work.
I disagree with a lot of what you have said. First off I believe that Gnost Durals main style is Niman. In my opinion he uses Niman as the default style when ever he goes into a fight and then he switches styles to adapt to the needs of the battle.
In almost all of his fights Gnost has been depicted using the Force in tandem with his lightsaber. Example being throwing his lightsaber, Force Pushing Darth Karrid, Force Wave against the apprentices, and many examples of him throwing soldiers about with the Force. And that is one of the core elements of Niman.
And also with a fighting style like his own, one that switches styles all the time, I believe Niman would be the perfect starting point. It is the style that has no weaknesses and therefor would be a good opening style for any situation.
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As far as Force Speed goes, Jaden seeing the laser fire slow and stretch is very impressive, But Gnost has proven his speed multiple times. The space station feat was only the beginning
As you pointed out for me Karrids apprentices had enhanced strength and SPEED. And in this next quote, one of those apprentices is in the room with him.
Gnost-Dural reacted with the superior reflexes and blinding speed of a true Jedi Master, already in motion before the others even realized something had gone wrong. -annihilation
And then there is his less than a second feat which I am sure you are familiar with.
The apprentice blocked two overhand strikes, but then overreacted when the Kel Dor feigned a third, leaving himself vulnerable down low. The Jedi turned his wrist and spun to his left, reversing the direction of the blade too quickly for the apprentice to recover, and removed him from the battle with a deep slash across the midsection that nearly severed the man in two.
The entire sequence took less than a second...
- annihilation
Jaden may be a skilled practitioner of Force Speed but he is not on the level of Gnost Dural, as far as that power goes at least
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Now as for Jadens fighting forms go I would like to point out that Jaden doesn't actually know any of the forms Gnost knows except for Form 5 IIRC. Jaden knows fast and medium style which carry ELEMENTS of the forms that Gnost uses, but Jaden cannot wield Soresu or Ataru for example, he can wield Fast Style.
But something I would like to point out is that since the NJO forms are based off of the classical jedi forms both Jaden and Gnost would be able to recognize elements from the other persons fighting styles.
Now lets talk about the styles that you were mentioning.
Soresu. I have already provided a quote that stated that Gnost's Soresu is perfectly executed, nearly impenetrable, and can hold off multiple opponents with a variety of styles at once. I think its pretty clear that Gnost has the superior defensive capabilities.
Djemn So: now I believe this is the classical style that Jaden knows correct? If so then yea Jaden shouldn't be familiar with the style and know better how to combat it than the other styles.
Ataru: This style is interesting for Gnost Dural. It seems that Gnost was able to slip in moves from Ataru while simultaneously using Soresu and the only other time that Gnost used it was when he was hoping to put a quick end to the battle, no doubt because he wasn't feeling so hot after the torture session.
Niman: *see what I had to say about this style above*
Juyo: IMO this style is going to be the most dangerous for Jaden to combat. Gnost Dural specifically tooled this style towards lightsaber dueling and that would make it very dangerous for Jaden when Gnost decides to whip it out.
Makashi: Gnost did recognize the stlye but there is also this quote when gnost was talking to one of Karrids apprentices (idk why this isn't in my respect thread.)
Gnost Dural recognized the weapon he had forged while still a padawan on Coruscant. She had witnessed his lightsaber skills during their battle; now it seemed she was intent on finding some explanation in his weapon. Gnost Dural sensed and sympathized with her confusion; she had been raised to believe the power of the dark side dwarfed that of the light, and she was unable to convince herself that a jedi could have so easily bested her in combat without some kind of inherit advantage.
"I could teach you how to use that." He said.
Startled, she glanced up at the prisoner, taking a moment to realize he was drawing on the Force to "see" her.
"I know how to use a lightsaber." She said defensively.
"I could teach you how to use it properly," He explained. "Not as a clumsy weapon guided by hate and anger, but as an extension of yourself that protects and defends those in need."
-Annihilation Page 306
Gnost Dural said that he could teach the apprentice (a Makashi practitioner) how to wield the lightsaber properly.
Shi Cho:
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One of Gnosts advantages is that he knows all seven forms where as Jaden only knows 3 forms. Even though those styles are based off of the styles that Gnost knows, that doesn't make Jaden know or even familiar with Gnosts forms. He can recognize elements from them and Gnost can do the same in Jadens style but in the end of the Gnost knows more forms.
Good luck to both of you.
