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(WildBantha88 and Fated Xtasy debate) Gnost-Dural vs Jaden Korr
Here me and Fated Xtasy are going to debate two of our favorite characters. I will be defending Gnost-Dural and Fated Xtasy will be defending Jaden Korr.
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Okay so Jaden Korr is pretty impressive but Gnost-Dural has more experience than Jaden.
Gnost-Dural was also an accomplished warrior; he'd been battling the Sith ever since their startling reemergence on the galactic stage, longer than Theron had even been alive. - SW Annihilation
If anyone doesn't know how these threads work, I believe they originated elsewhere, basically this is a 1 on 1 isolated debate and thus contributions from other members are generally discouraged.
Do correct me if I'm wrong about your intentions, though, OP.
Okay. Gnost is a highly experience fighter, however at this point in his life Jaden has already gone through a great deal. Defeating the disciples of ragnos at the young age of thirteen is one of his most memorable feats. I don't think he lacks experience. He's proven himself to be a match for the Veteran Reborn warriors that lacked skill, but made up for that with "Magnified powers" Keep in mind that this is Jaden at his peak Bantha, not the little bearded thirteen year old
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Gnost had been fighting the sith ever since their return in 3681 BBY until the quote was taken in 3640 BBY. That is 41 years of experience fighting the sith.
Jaden Korr began his jedi carrier at the age of 13 until around the age of 40. That is only 27 years of experience, give or take a few years
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Alright so lets get serious about this. On the point of Jaden Korrs lightning it seems to me as it is something that he cannot summon at will. It seems more to me like it is something he cant control when he starts going over to the dark side.
So unless Jaden is feeling insufficient in the presence of such a great jedi master or gets really frustrated and angry because he cant defeat Gnost, then his lightning shouldn't really come into play. But that is looking up for Jaden because both of those scenarios seem likely to me. HewHewHew
And if Jaden does summon his lightning, Gnost Dural can just absorb it with his lightsaber.
Yes his lightning is bred from fear and/or anger.(And strangely enough it's green in some instances) However he rarely goes over the edge against his opponents and that scenario were he used in fear, was also in part due to his "benighted' force sensitivity.
You're assuming that's the only power in Jaden's arsenal, he's a skilled TK user and knows the force repulse ability.
Yeah, of course Dural can. But that's assuming He'll be able to use Dun Moch or anger Jaden. which i doubt will happen.
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So we both agree that Jadens lightning shouldn't come into play in this battle and is therefor a minor factor. Good to know
Gnost Dural is also a skilled TK user who uses it quite often in combat. As for repulse that is a nice ability But Gnost has Force Waves.
Gnost used intimidation before. Like when he Force chokes an imperial guard under the false alias of a Sith Lord. He is the jedis for most expert on the sith after all and should thusly know how to intimidate. He is also quite manipulative when he needs to be. Like when he planned on getting captured by his apprentice so that he could gloat her into flying her ship right into a trap.
If Gnost Dural does see it necessary to test Jadens anger I have no doubt that he would be able to do so.
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Sure, he can intimidate a non-force user that's a good feat, but he could only manipulate his apprentice because he knew her and trained her. I fail to see how that would work on Jaden dude
I don't see Jaden getting frustrated or angry dude.
But let's move this along. Jaden is an excellent duelist, utilizing the Fast Style( a combination of Ataru, Soresu and Shien/Djem So)and the Medium style( a combination of Niman, Soresu and Shii-Cho) He's an excellent defensive fighter and can dish out a great offense if needed. while i do think Gnost is a great duelist, i doubt he would be able to bring anything outstanding to the table. as Jaden has already faced aggressive foes like Alora and Marka Ragnos as well disarmed Rosh Penin, Alora(as a student) and Tavion Axmis on Korriban.
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He thrust out with a powerful Force Wave sweeping them both [Darth Karrid's apprentices] off their feet.- annihilation
On the contrary Gnost-Dural is bringing quit a lot to the table. He is skiled in all seven forms lightsaber combat and is said to perform Soresu perfectly.
He has also utilized Juyo strictly for lightsaber dueling and was able to defeat a sith apprentice within a matter of seconds with it. Demonstrating that he is leagues above the apprentice in skill.
Oh that's highly impressive, however, Jaden's telekinetic blasts were able to explode the possessed corpses of a great number of species - some ancient, make of that what you will. He has also caught the Telekinetic blast of the Katarn clone Runner and Jaden's own clone - Soldier. Both of whom are skilled TK users(especially Runner)
There's no doubt Jaden would be able to defend against Gnost Dural.
Alright, i'll admit that's impressive. However, Jaden has displayed himself to be a master of Shien/The Fast Style. redirecting blaster and cannon fire.
Well yeah, however Jaden is no mere apprentice, we're talking about a guy, who after being separated from Kyle Katarn, fought through many stormtroopers, cultist and Reborn and then took on on Rosh penin, who was being amp and assisted by two other Dark Jedi
No need bud, i still remember your respect thread.
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that is a good feat but the corpses will have been decaying and fragile. Still a nice feat but Gnost-Dural makes a practice of throwing around soldiers during combat. Most impressively is when he threw 4 heavily armored soldiers back with one force push
Gnost-Dural did something similar. He fought his way through the soldiers on Darth Karrids ship and then took on both of her apprentices at once and then passed up a few chances to kill them just so he could proceed to put Darth Karrid herself on her ass. And this was on a powerful dark side nexus that would give Gnost opponents an edge while it made Gnost feel nauseas
since Gnost knows all seven forms it is highly likely that he also knows Shien as well. But what ever the case, I do believe Gnost defensive capabilities are greater than Jadens are. After enduring 10 hours of torture he was able to engage two fully fledged sith lords (still on the nexus) and said that he would have been able to hold both of them off indefinitely if he had infinite stamina.
Need i bring up Jaden's feat of bring down a large pillar and sending a Boulder flying?
Impressive, However i should note that Jaden has done this several times. on Hoth, Taspir III, Vjun and Korriban to name a few.(Minus the nexus) However as I stated earlier he fought through multiple reborn who had their powers "quadrupled" by the Valley of the jedi and relied heavily on raw power and Cultist who were empowered with dark side energies.
Greater than Jaden's? The Fast Style is the defensive form of the NJO. a hybrid between Shien/Djem So,Soresu and Ataru, being able to deflect cannon fire is nothing to scoff at, keep in mind that his movements were hindered by the spacesuit's lack of mobility and He was still able to redirect it back to the ship. Against the Dark Jedi, Alora. he was able to counter everything she threw at him. Not to mention Jaden has defeated Boba Fett, a bounty-hunter who excels in Marksmanship.
If we're talking about Stamina, we need only look at Jaden when he cleared the Taspir III Base alone and defeated Alora. or When he was sent to Hoth during the start of his career and "neutralized" The Imperial remnants perimeter guard and then forced Alora to retreat.
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Something that will serve Gnost well in this battle is his skill in rolling with the punches when it comes to TK. A good example of this is when Darth Karrid caught him off guard with a Force Push and he was able to roll with it instead of being thrashed about.
Gnost-Dural lunged forward to deliver a coupe de grace, but his momentum was suddenly reversed, and he found himself sailing backward as Darth Karrid hit him with a powerful Force Push. He was able to roll into a back summersault as he hit the ground and spring back to his feet, -annihation
As I already stated Gnosts soresu was said to be performed perfectly and to be nearly impenetrable. So much so that he was able to hold off two sith lords for a substantial period of time after being subject to unspeakable tortures.
Also he was only wearing his boxers at the time Lol
I would also like to point out that Gnost knows more forms than Jaden does as he is skilled in all seven forms where as Jaden only knows three forms IIRC
I will concede that Jaden most likely has better stamina than Gnost seeing as how he is much younger than Gnost. But Gnost, on the other hand, has an insane pain thresh hold and tons of willpower as he was subjected to a darkside torture machine that could make you endure the agony of dying in the most gruesome ways imaginable over and over again. And it took this machine TEN HOURS to break him.
And then once it did bring him to the brink of insanity, it only took him a few minutes to recover his sanity.
That's impressive, However Jaden's TK is much more potent than that of Darth Karrid, as i stated before, he has used Telekinesis to bring down a pillar, has sent a boulder flying and was able to defend against two powerful clones, which are able to "feed" off one another's emotions, with his own Telekinetic blast.
"The emotions of the other clones reached through their community’s shared empathic connection and bombarded him with feeling. He felt their glee, their ecstasy, their anger. His emotions fed on theirs, and theirs on his, a never-ending feedback loop, an ouroboros of emotional energy that made him feel as if he were boiling inside, filling with emotional steam that he could vent only in bestial shouts, in discharges of lightning. The cargo bay was chaotic. Only his concern for the children kept him grounded. He stood over them protectively"
- Star Wars: Riptide
That's true, however the text also stated that prolonged battle would not end well for him(I'm paraphrasing) as Soresu was Perfect for dealing with multiple opponents, but would tire the user. I might be wrong on that, so please correct me if i'm wrong.
lmao, why is it you always read the SW books where the characters are nearly always half-naked?
That's wrong, EvanNova's assumption that Jaden only knows Shien, Ataru and Shii-cho is only half right. As stated earlier The Fast Style incorporates, Shien/Djem So, Soresu and Ataru into it's skill set, while The Medium Style is a combination of Niman, Soresu and Shii-Cho, Making Jaden a practitioner of Five of the traditional Lightsaber forms.
I will say that is incredibly impressive, though i feel i should note that Jaden was able to continue to fight after his fingers were cut off and was able to block the strikes of Runner(The Katarn clone) while simultaneously defending against Soldiers(his Clone) force lightning. though i should note he failed to stop them.
Oct 19th, 2014 01:24 AM
Good luck to both of you.
But Gnost has Force Waves.
