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Spider-man/green Goblin
Superman/Lex Luthor
Reed Richards/Dr. Doom
Batman/Joker
Captain America/Red Skull

If you can round out a LEGIT top 10 thats great, but if not then just these 5.

The only rivalry in that list is Reed vs Doom. Superman/Lex is entirely one-sided since Luthor just hates on Kal, Batman and the Joker cannot be compared or whatsoever, Steve and Schmitt don't compete on anything. Spidey and GG, while superior to Bats/Joker in everyway, are not really rivals so to speak.

Well, thats not how i see it, so thanks for posting and not ranking them.

Originally posted by Bentley
The only rivalry in that list is Reed vs Doom. Superman/Lex is entirely one-sided since Luthor just hates on Kal, Batman and the Joker cannot be compared or whatsoever, Steve and Schmitt don't compete on anything. Spidey and GG, while superior to Bats/Joker in everyway, are not really rivals so to speak.

Agree with this - I guess it depends on how different a 'rival' is to an 'enemy' but Reed and Doom definitely stand head and shoulders above the others.
What about Bullseye and Daredevil, I'd say they were rivals. In the same vein, Hal Jordan and Sinestro were always rivals. Both of those pairs had a 'something 'they were trying to prove against the other based around their skill sets, and for me that's got a lot to do with a 'rivalry'.

If I had to rank your five Riv, I'd put Reed/Doom at one, then Cap/Red Skull, Batman and Joker, Superman/Luthor, Spidey/GG . The reason for putting Cap/Skull high up is that they were well-matched physically and at loggerheads ideologically, both fighting for their version of political 'rightness'. So, rivals.

Man you come up with some good thread ideas Riv.

Good thread ideas till the first response focuses on one word and misses/ignores the main thrust of the OP.

I'm interested in your own ranking of the ones you listed, and your reasons why they make great rivalries.

What about Thor/Loki - two siblings fighting for the approval of their father? That's a pretty classic rivalry right there, plus they have been at it for a long time and when they do throw down it is usually pretty spectacular, not like two normal brothers arguing about whose turn it is to wash the dishes.

Or am I still missing the main thrust of the OP?

Let's not rank non-rivalries as rivalries at all only to please the OP, when I enter KMC I expect high quality threads that can stand to a heavy amount of nitpicking. We need to have some standards.

Thor and Loki is an actual rivalry, good choice. Sinestro and Hal works too.

Silly me, i expect people to not fixate on a single word and derail threads because they're bored. I have standards too.

Originally posted by riv6672
Silly me, i expect people to not fixate on a single word and derail threads because they're bored. I have standards too.

Ok, let's ignore what's posted on the actual thread and just focus in what you want.

If I focused on rivalries it was because I found the idea more appealing. Sorry for caring.

Originally posted by wuleecat
I'm interested in your own ranking of the ones you listed, and your reasons why they make great rivalries.

What about Thor/Loki - two siblings fighting for the approval of their father? That's a pretty classic rivalry right there, plus they have been at it for a long time and when they do throw down it is usually pretty spectacular, not like two normal brothers arguing about whose turn it is to wash the dishes.

Or am I still missing the main thrust of the OP?
No you got it.

I'd have to put Batman/Joker at the top. These two almost cant exist without the other.
Spidey/Goblin is right below. This is a blood feud pure and simple. It evolved so naturally in universe its scary.
Luthor/Superman and Doom/Reed are pretty even for me. The villains here might not even be villains if not for their obsession with the heroes, and the heroes have to deal with the fact that these people will always be in their lives.
Cap/Skull are war enemies who never grew old and died. Thats a special kind of hatred, as each hates not just the person but the ideology that person represents.

Pretty good reasons there.

What about Manta/Aquaman? I know Manta is a rubbish character and all, but the way he hates Aquaman so very very deeply makes this a bit more than your average good-guy/bad-guy dynamic.

The DCnu versions of Aquaman/Manta have a pretty deep hatred for each other. It was really well built up during the first year or so of the new book.
I'd put Manta over Ocean Master in this category.

Manta is not rubbish...

Not at all. Suffered from Super Friends Syndrome though.
The DCnu has been good to the Aquaman mythos.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Manta is not rubbish...

Matter of opinion.
I just can't get past the stupid-looking helmet. And I think most of the dialogue he comes out with is pretty bleh.

Originally posted by wuleecat
Originally posted by -Pr-
Manta is not rubbish...

Matter of opinion.
I just can't get past the stupid-looking helmet. And I think most of the dialogue he comes out with is pretty bleh.

We need a silly headgear thread. Manta's hemet, star Lord's hemet, Barda's....

Manta, sure, the helmet is stupid. But he had an awesome arc during I think it was PADs run, and he's been excellent in the DCNU imo.

Ah dang it j forgot about PAD's take on him. Good good call!

Originally posted by -Pr-
Manta, sure, the helmet is stupid. But he had an awesome arc during I think it was PADs run, and he's been excellent in the DCNU imo.

To be honest, I am basing my opinion on some older appearances of Manta's than the ones you mention, ones where he just seemed like an angry psycho without much motivation besides hate (like in "Justice". I guess I need to get a bit more up to date.

And then I think about that helmet again...

Rive, start that thread please.

Sinestro and Hal
Wolverine and Sabertooth
Spiderman and Venom
Cyclops and Sinister
Hulk and Abomination
Superman and Darkseid
Joker and Batman
Odin and Mangog
Galactus and Tyrant
Captain America and Red Skull

LOBO/Etrigan the Demon

Rivalry for WHO Da BIGGEST BAD ASS!

at least it was back in the good old day before DC comcs went all CW channel

Originally posted by wuleecat
To be honest, I am basing my opinion on some older appearances of Manta's than the ones you mention, ones where he just seemed like an angry psycho without much motivation besides hate (like in "Justice". I guess I need to get a bit more up to date.

And then I think about that helmet again...

Rive, start that thread please.

Well yeah, at one point the character's sole existence was defined by how much he hated Aquaman.

After COIE though, I thought he was much better.

Hey, the helmet got straight up wrecked by Arthur not so long ago

Carver and on panel proof
Carver and logic

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Carver and on panel proof
Carver and logic


In this you admitting logic is an evil villain?

Originally posted by Bentley
In this you admitting logic is an evil villain? no I'm admitting it's carvers. It seems understanding is your evil.

Originally posted by Bentley
In this you admitting logic is an evil villain?

Originally posted by carver9

Spiderman and Venom

Superman and Darkseid

I disagree with these two. They're good, but these villains will never have Goblin/Luthor impact.

Originally posted by riv6672
I disagree with these two. They're good, but these villains will never have Goblin/Luthor impact. I think Doc Ock has the easiest argument to be made right now for the position of 'Spider-Man Rival'.

1. Batman / Joker

2. Superman / Lex Luthor

3. Goku / Vegeta

4. Professor X / Magneto

5. Cap / Red Skull

6. Reed Richards / Dr Doom

7. Thor / Loki

8. Hal Jordan / Sinestro

9. Spider Man / Green Goblin

10. Aquaman / Black Manta

I hate ranking....

Superman/Lex
Carnage/Venom
Hal/Sinestro
Cap/Skull
Wolverine/Sabretooth
Spidey/Gobby
Damian Wayne/Grayson
Daredevil/Bullseye
Hulk/Rulk/General Ross
Reed/Doom.

Honourable mentions: Batman/Joker, Flash/Zoom

In all media:

Batman/Joker
Superman/Lex Luthor
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Spiderman/Green Goblin
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Everything else.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I hate ranking....

Carnage/Venom


Thanks for ranking, you!

I was going to let this go off to page 2, but i has to say, Carnage/Venom is one i never would have thought of...

What's great about Superman/Lex Luthor's rivalry?

I love Superman, and I still think it's a shit rivalry.