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Setting: The place with obelisks where Dooku was training Savage.

Both are bloodlusted.

They start 20 feet apart.

1) Sabers
2) Force
3) All-out

Should be close in dueling skill, though Savage beating Gallia and fighting evenly with Ventress are better feats than Bane never beating a high tier duelist/never beating anyone other than Sirak. Bane is an inferior duelist, but has an edge in lightning. Bane's TK feats are inferior and won't budge or harm Savage in any way, but his lightning might do something.

Savage beats Bane in a duel, but Bane's lightning might give him some rounds. Savage on the other hand can likely send him flying via TK though, I'm leaning Savage 6-7/10 with a few rounds to Bane due to lightning

Originally posted by carthage
Should be close in dueling skill, though Savage beating Gallia and fighting evenly with Ventress are better feats than Bane never beating a high tier duelist/never beating anyone other than Sirak. Bane is an inferior duelist, but has an edge in lightning. Bane's TK feats are inferior and won't budge or harm Savage in any way, but his lightning might do something.

Savage beats Bane in a duel, but Bane's lightning might give him some rounds. Savage get likely send him flying via TK though, I'm leaning Savage 6-7/10 with a few rounds to Bane due to lightning Are you trying to give Neph a heart attack or something?

Lol, but yeah, Savage wins unless Bane chooses to abuse his lightning, which I don't think he will for a majority.

Bane stomps.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
Bane stomps.

I don't see any reason why Bane is faster, they're on the same speed tier with Bane's only non nexus speed feat being moving his shield fast enough to form a shield. Bane couldn't even deflect rain drops by doing that, and had to use evasive maneuvers . Savage has redirected blaster fire from scores of droids, which is an equivalent feat to Bane's massively overrated rain feat/superior somewhat. There is no speed difference between the two, Savage is just more skilled, somewhat more powerful, and has far better dueling feats than Bane.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
Bane stomps.

Originally posted by carthage
I don't see any reason why Bane is faster, they're on the same speed tier with Bane's only non nexus speed feat being moving his shield fast enough to form a shield. Bane couldn't even deflect rain drops by doing that, and had to use evasive maneuvers . Savage has redirected blaster fire from scores of droids, which is an equivalent feat to Bane's massively overrated rain feat/superior somewhat. There is no speed difference between the two, Savage is just more skilled, somewhat more powerful, and has far better dueling feats than Bane.
Exactly.

Deflecting blaster bolts > deflecting rain drops

Also bear in mind that Savage is bloodlusted in this fight. Last time it happened he was pushing back Kenobi and Anakin.

I don't think there are enough words in the world that describe just how badly Savage loses.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
You must keep in mind, however, that Bane deflected rain for a full 10 minutes, and while droplets of rain might be slower than blaster bolts, obviously many more of them would fall from the sky.

That's a feat of endurance not a feat of speed. Bane not being able to deflect slow moving water droplets is embarrassing on his part. Also as anyone should expect there are no coherent arguments from the Bane crowd.

Savage deflecting omnidirectional blaster fire from dozens of shooters, however brief, is better in terms of raw speed than deflecting.. rain. There shouldn't really be a speed disparity anyway.

Nah, Savage being bloodlusted at least makes this close.

Casually choking Dooku and Ventress + Waving Kenobi/Skywalker

Bane was so fast he appeared to wield a dozen lightsabers at once to a powerful Force user. There absolutely is a speed disparity here.

Also the speed for the rain deflection was calculated and it was insane.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane was so fast he appeared to wield a dozen lightsabers at once to a powerful Force user. There absolutely is a speed disparity here.

Also the speed for the rain deflection was calculated and it was insane.

He only did so while amped by Orbalisks, he never replicated creating 12 afterimages at all. There is no speed disparity

Yeah, Neph,. please no Orbalisks feats here.

We're trying to assess where DoE Bane stands.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane was so fast he appeared to wield a dozen lightsabers at once to a powerful Force user. There absolutely is a speed disparity here. Wasn't that performed with orbalisks...?

Even non bloodlusted Savage has moved a decent sized ship off a cliff, blown up that prison Cell made of Mandalorian iron, and choked out Ventress/Dooku. Bane has only telekinetically disrupted the insides of guards, hurled guards against a wall, broken a table, broken boxes and tents, and thrown back Zannah with a force scream (unamped and off nexus). His TK feats are plainly inferior, and he is also outskilled as a duelist.

DoE Bane was stated to be faster than he was with orbalisks.

Originally posted by carthage
That's a feat of endurance not a feat of speed. Bane not being able to deflect slow moving water droplets is embarrassing on his part. Also as anyone should expect there are no coherent arguments from the Bane crowd.

The sheer number of the rain droplets should be more than enough to make it a good speed feat.

That still wouldn't change the fact that its not a speed feat, its a test of Bane's endurance which was never in question and hardly relevant to how he'd perform in a duel. Bane has no speed feats that put him above Savage, and redirecting faster moving bolts from all directions is far more impressive than failing to dodge slow moving raindrops.

Bane doesn't have long ass horns, either.

I think we can settle for Savage deflecting blaster bolts = Bane deflecting rain drops.

TBH we should be concentrating on the questions of skill, dueling ability and force power.

EDIT: Savage wins in the poll so far, even though
I accidently voted for Bane having an edge lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
DoE Bane was stated to be faster than he was with orbalisks.

That's a perspective based opinion from Bane and not supported by any feats in DOE that would surpass anything he did with Orbalisks. Bane's own opinion doesn't override what he actually accomplished

Nah.

Bane basically blitzes Savage.

When did Savage block these bolts anyway?

Bane couldn't even blitz Zannah and even with Orbalisks Hetton dodged his lightning. Bane isn't blitzing anyone.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah.

Bane basically blitzes Savage.

When did Savage block these bolts anyway?

That was in Witches of the mist

Originally posted by carthage
Bane isn't blitzing anyone.


Bane also never faced anyone with TK on the level of bloodlusted Savage.

.....

You mean the part where he starts wildly swinging at them and barely manages to deflect more that a few bolts?

Originally posted by Nephthys
When did Savage block these bolts anyway? At the end of his fight with Anakin and Obi-Wan, when droids started closing in on him, he was deflecting omnidirectional fire from dozens of droids for a few seconds but eventually they began overwhelming him.

And lol at Bane blitzing Savage. Come on now.

Originally posted by Nephthys
.....

You mean the part where he starts wildly swinging at them and barely manages to deflect more that a few bolts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmBL_RF1DNk 1:18 - 1:25 he deflects every bolt fired his way barring just one, dozens of shooters.

Speed will not decide this duel. Skill and power will, though.

Originally posted by ILS
At the end of his fight with Anakin and Obi-Wan, when droids started closing in on him, he was deflecting omnidirectional fire from dozens of droids for a few seconds but eventually they began overwhelming him.

And lol at Bane blitzing Savage. Come on now.

Not really, he was blocking the ones in front of him but most of them were just hitting him. He was getting hit by tons of them, lol. I don't see how thats in any way comparable.

I'm not joking. Bane's a lot faster.

Looks like he gets hit by like a dozen right at the end before he blasts them all back lol

Both areas in which Savage outdoes Bane

Savage has beaten Adi Gallia, fought evenly with Ventress, and Halsey and Knox with an axe (without any formal training), and beaten other Jedi knights in the TCW comics I can't recall.

Bane has fought evenly with Zannah and beaten Sirak, Sirak is featless and Zannah as a duelist has only beaten a half trained Jedi knight Set Harth. Bane is an inferior duelist.

I already listed Bane's unamped/non nexus tk feats, and they're all inferior to Savage's as well.

Bane's only realistic way to even claim a few rounds is lightning.

I don't remember saying he wasn't hit by them at the end. He was deflecting them from all directions prior to that, and it's still a better speed feat than deflecting rain.

Speed isn't really a massive issue, except for people who want to over-glorify Bane.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really, he was blocking the ones in front of him but most of them were just hitting him. He was getting hit by tons of them, lol. I don't see how thats in any way comparable.

I'm not joking. Bane's a lot faster.

Its still a better feat than failing dismally to even catch ever drop of slowmoving rain drops with a lightsaber.

lmao

No counterargument then. So be it

Bane fans never provide a counterargument

Originally posted by ILS
I don't remember saying he wasn't hit by them at the end. He was deflecting them from all directions prior to that, and it's still a better speed feat than deflecting rain.

Speed isn't really a massive issue, except for people who want to over-glorify Bane.

Not really, you see him get hit a few times as he's coming into the room as well and multiple times when they form a ring around him. He's not deflecting them from all directions at all, you can see that fairly obviously. His defense seems rather poor.

I already told you why Bane is superior in speed by loads. And why the rain feat is superior.

You told him why he's superior by utilizing amped Orbalisk feats, this is DOE Bane not nexus junkie/Armored Bane. Bane could never replicate those feats and deflecting rain drops is a horrible speed feat to compare to Savage or just about any other force user Bane is compared too.

Yeah, that video wasn't very impressive at all, sorry. Bane is winning on the polls too.

Who cares? No one has even bothered tackling the fact Bane doesn't compare in either skill or power in terms of feats. Its irrelevant how many fanboys vote for it when they can't ever provide an argument to support their vote.

The same thing happened in the Zannah vs Jaina thread.

Originally posted by Trocity
Yeah, that video wasn't very impressive at all, sorry. Bane is winning on the polls too.
Nah, I accidently voted for Bane has an edge option ealier. Counting that, it's still 4 to 3 in favor of Savage

Jaina won that thread, didn't she?

She should have, anyway.

5 to 3 in favor of Bane. Learn to count.

Stop making your threads polls Stigma, it gives the Bane fanboys the illusion of their superiority in numbers

Originally posted by Emperordmb
5 to 3 in favor of Bane. Learn to count.

And no counterarguments to back up their votes.

Originally posted by Trocity
Jaina won that thread, didn't she?

She should have, anyway.

No.

I won.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
5 to 3 in favor of Bane. Learn to count.
Learn to read posts with comprehension. I accidently voted for Bane, yo.

Not that it matters. It's clearly a close fight, for Bane belongs to Savage tier, not, say, Dooku tier.

@Neph


I support you in this thread, Bane is clearly underrated to the extreme on here.

But, Jaina > Zannah

Bane belongs to any tier he wants to because he's Bane, and that's all there is to it.

Originally posted by carthage
And no counterarguments to back up their votes.

Originally posted by carthage
Bane fans never provide a counterargument

Originally posted by ILS
Bane belongs to any tier he wants to because he's Bane, and that's all there is to it.

God of the Sith, bro.

Don't be so salty.

Originally posted by ILS
Bane belongs to any tier he wants to because he's Bane, and that's all there is to it.
Nah, he's not Bandon.


















EDIT: But seriously, so we agree that skill and power goes to Savage?

Originally posted by Stigma


No one counters carthages posts because carthage is trash. Not because we can't or anything, lol.

Which is why you've lost every debate you've ever had with me, Sidious, Ant, Nargaroth, and other posters and been reduced to namecalling .

Originally posted by Stigma
so we agree that skill and power goes to Savage?

Originally posted by Stigma
EDIT: But seriously, so we agree that skill and power goes to Savage? Yes, we all agree. Even the Bane fans are agreeing on the inside.

While speed, intelligence and command of the force goes to Bane

EDIT - Oh, and skill and power, too.

Originally posted by Trocity
While speed, intelligence and command of the force goes to Bane
Not sure about speed tbh, but whatever.

Command means nothing when Savage can push Bane's sh*t in via TK.

Speed doesn't go to Bane. I doubt he's more intelligent in any kind of practical manner. "Command of the Force" is just vague and fails to compensate for Savage's telekinetic superiority.

Bane's best and only bet is lightning.

Bane's shown great intelligence in combat actually.

Originally posted by ILS
Yes, we all agree. Even the Bane fans are agreeing on the inside.

Bane is far more powerful than Savage and can kill him easily with lightning. And he's hugely more skilled than Savage. In particular he knows everything his double-bladed lightsaber can do.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane is far more powerful than Savage and can kill him easily with lightning. And he's hugely more skilled than Savage. In particular he knows everything his double-bladed lightsaber can do. I bet he shits pixie dust too.

If all of those attributes go to Bane then prove that they do by arguing in favor of why you view him to be superior to Savage in those areas.

For all of his supposed "command" of the force, he couldn't even deflect slow moving rain drops, never fought anyone of note, never did anything incredible without a nexus or orbalisks, and none of you have bothered to even hazard to counter the fact Bane is less skilled and an inferior duelist.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane's shown great intelligence in combat actually.



Bane is far more powerful than Savage and can kill him easily with lightning. And he's hugely more skilled than Savage. In particular he knows everything his double-bladed lightsaber can do.

Bane has never killed any force sensitives with lightning, he's only killed fodder non force sensitives and his lightning can at the very least be soaked by a force shield. Nice evasion of the points Stigma bought up though

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane is far more powerful than Savage
Force feats for DoE Bane that suggest that?

Breaking a table, telekinetically disrupting the insides of guards, throwing guards with enough impact to break their bones, i,e trash tier TK

Originally posted by ILS
I bet he shits pixie dust too.

http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/youseemmad_zpsef9af20d.png

Originally posted by carthage
Breaking a table, telekinetically disrupting the insides of guards, throwing guards with enough impact to break their bones, i,e trash tier TK
I see...

I'll never understand why people think taking the piss = anger

Originally posted by Nephthys
:sigh:

I'm not butthurt. I'm really not joking about how Ant has nothing here. The only thing thats getting me feeling slightly frustrated is when people keep saying I'm mad when I'm not. Tempest does it all the freaking time and it bugs the hell out of me. .


Originally posted by Nephthys
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p757/Scenario388/youseemmad_zpsef9af20d.png

Originally posted by ILS
I'll never understand why people think taking the piss = anger
Unless you take angry piss, of course

LOL

Originally posted by Stigma
Unless you take angry piss, of course Peeing kind of takes a load off for me, to be honest. Very relaxing

Originally posted by Stigma
I see...

To quote a friend:

Bane's TK waves violently killing people is way the hell more impressive than Dooku's TK wave just knocking over pykes for a few seconds.

Originally posted by carthage
Breaking a table, telekinetically disrupting the insides of guards, throwing guards with enough impact to break their bones, i,e trash tier TK

You're forgetting that he was still hindered by drugs, though.

Originally posted by ILS
Peeing kind of takes a load off for me, to be honest. Very relaxing
haha, been there.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To quote a friend:

Bane's TK waves violently killing people is way the hell more impressive than Dooku's TK wave just knocking over pykes for a few seconds.
Agreed

Originally posted by Nephthys
To quote a friend:

Bane's TK waves violently killing people is way the hell more impressive than Dooku's TK wave just knocking over pykes for a few seconds.

Bane killed fodder guards with a force wave? Holy shit, its not like Savage or even a trained Padwan of the Jed order could replicate that feat. I've never seen Bane off nexus rain down tons of boulders onto a force user, collapse a cave, bring a massive crane down and destroy a ship, move a ship off a cliff, destroy Mandalorian iron etc.

Bane killing prison guards is nothing impressive

Originally posted by Nargaroth
You're forgetting that he was still hindered by drugs, though. Which reminds me - Dooku was poisoned and still managed to duel Asajj Ventress and two Nightsisters, and cured himself of the Karatos Plague.

Dooku's command of the Force >>>>> Bane's

Originally posted by ILS
Which reminds me - Dooku was poisoned and still managed to duel Asajj Ventress and two Nightsisters, and cured himself of the Karatos Plague.

Dooku's command of the Force >>>>> Bane's



You know that Bane still escaped and killed a ton of guards while drugged AND unarmed right?

Who cares? Killing fodder characters with TK is something any Padwan can accomplish, Bane has only done that his TK is plainly inferior to Savage.

Originally posted by carthage
Bane killed fodder guards with a force wave? Holy shit, its not like Savage or even a trained Padwan of the Jed order could replicate that feat. I've never seen Bane off nexus rain down tons of boulders onto a force user, collapse a cave, bring a massive crane down and destroy a ship, move a ship off a cliff, destroy Mandalorian iron etc.

Bane killing prison guards is nothing impressive
This.


Seriously, no piss contest, what Bane has done in DoE to compare to Savage's TK?

Originally posted by carthage
Both areas in which Savage outdoes Bane

Savage has beaten Adi Gallia, fought evenly with Ventress, and Halsey and Knox with an axe (without any formal training), and beaten other Jedi knights in the TCW comics I can't recall.
/B]

Says that Sirrak and Kas'im are featless, lists two featless kills for Savage

'Cause Savage is killing scores of top-level Jedi with his TK.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You know that Bane still escaped and killed a ton of guards while drugged AND unarmed right? Holy ****, guards?!

Originally posted by ILS
Holy ****, guards?!

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Says that Sirrak and Kas'im are featless, lists two featless kills for Savage

While he was untrained? Bane while being trained got stomped by Sirak, stomped by Fohargh, and almost got killed by random beasts in the wilderness of Korriban. If you hadn't bothered to look I listed him beating Gallia and fighting evenly with Ventress, which are easily superior dueling feats to anything displayed by Bane. If you have nothing else to do or nothing to contribute to the discussion, go post elsewhere please.

And that explains why Dooku failed to do it, and why his own prison escapes, with two Jedi, failed twice in a row.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
'Cause Savage is killing scores of top-level Jedi with his TK.

Bane has never killed any powerful force sensitives with TK unamped and without a nexus . His unamped TK feats as mentioned are also plainly inferior.

Originally posted by Stigma
Seriously, no piss contest, what Bane has done in DoE to compare to Savage's TK?

Originally posted by ILS
Holy ****, guards?!

He didn't have a lightsaber, dork.

I was just pointing out that it's not as if Bane couldn't fight in that condition as well. He still blocked blaster bolts with an ion storm and melted blasters with his power supressed too.

Originally posted by Stigma
Seriously, no piss contest, what Bane has done in DoE to compare to Savage's TK?

You've already been told. But you're probably just trolling so it hardly matters.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You've already been told. But you're probably just trolling so it hardly matters.

You brought up orbalisks feats while Bane was amped, this is DOE Bane. You might want to check the OP, or stop deliberately trying to pass off Orbalisk Bane's feats as something DOE Bane can do.

Originally posted by carthage
If you hadn't bothered to look I listed him beating Gallia and fighting evenly with Ventress, which are easily superior dueling feats to anything displayed by Bane.

Adi Gallia who only dueled On par with Grevious due to her having surprise on her side, what other feats does she have?

Ventress is impressive sure, but he didn't outright beat her plus she didn't have her second saber.

Carthage, you're on ignore for me. So stop talking to me as if I'll listen.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't have a lightsaber, dork. Wait wait wait hold up for a second. You're telling me Bane killed guards with his bare hands?!

Bane SLAUGHTERHOUSE

Originally posted by Nephthys
You've already been told. But you're probably just trolling so it hardly matters.
Killing non force sensitive guards....

From what I've seen, Savage can dish out much more power via his TK.

Pushing a ship, hurling Anakin and Kenobi like ragdolls, force-choking Ventress and Dooku simultaneously are all far superior TK showings.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bane SLAUGHTERHOUSE

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bane SLAUGHTERHOUSE

This is like one of those posts that goes like... how do you do it...
BANE ROFLSLAUGHTERHOUSESSOHARDHE****SSAVAGEINTHEPUSSY

Tbh saying Savage is even two tiers down from Bane is lolworthy.
Though, for some reason Neph is losing this argument, so I will sit here entertained.
Carthage, ISIS, Stigma, Emperordmb, and Nephthys, please continue.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This is like one of those posts that goes like... how do you do it...
BANE ROFLSLAUGHTERHOUSESSOHARDHE****SSAVAGEINTHEPUSSY
This is my favorite post in this thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Tbh saying Savage is even two tiers down from Bane is lolworthy.

True, from what has been presented, they are in ther same tier.

Bane is more skilled but Opress might surprise him with his immense strength. Can go either way.

Almost as funny as this :

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Tbh saying Savage is even two tiers down from Bane is lolworthy.
Though, for some reason Neph is losing this argument, so I will sit here entertained.
Carthage, ISIS, Stigma, Emperordmb, and Nephthys, please continue.

And Joker is the one whose Banned? -_-

Also this thread is already foolish, Savage looses, it's just that simple.

Originally posted by ILS
Wait wait wait hold up for a second. You're telling me Bane killed guards with his bare hands?!

Dooku got captured by pirates.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku got captured by pirates.

And Bane got stomped by mercenaries, got nearly killed by random Sithspawn on Korriban, admitted he was old and weak in DOE.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
And Joker is the one whose Banned? -_-

Also this thread is already foolish, Savage looses, it's just that simple.
Wow there bae, I'm supporting you?
Why do you want me banned now!?!?
What could I have possibly have done in a day.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Tbh saying Savage is even two tiers down from Bane is lolworthy.
Though, for some reason Neph is losing this argument, so I will sit here entertained.
Carthage, ISIS, Stigma, Emperordmb, and Nephthys, please continue.

Maybe not two tiers, but one? Yes. Regardless, it's not enough to stomp Savage with the Force, though I think Bane takes this in a good fight, mainly due to lightning.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Also this thread is already foolish, Savage looses, it's just that simple.

Originally posted by Stigma
Seriously, no piss contest, what Bane has done in DoE to compare to Savage's TK?

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Maybe not two tiers, but one? Yes. Regardless, it's not enough to stomp Savage with the Force, though I think takes this in a good fight, mainly due to lightning.
I mean't saying Savage is any closer then Bane then two tiers is lolworthy, meaning the gap is greater then two tiers.
Though, because I like to keep all my fans happy, I'll say both sides are doing great jobs at debating their respective side.

I don't think that Savage is on Bane's tier. Bane wins solidly.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I don't think that Savage is on Bane's tier. Bane wins solidly.

I mean, people assert it and it's cool. But you have to admit that
pushing back Kenobi and Anakin, choking Dooku and Ventress simultaneously, pushing a spaceship of a cliff with one burst of TK all suggest otherwise.

Savage's TK feats seem better than Bane's in DoE.

Savage also matched superior combatants than Bane did in DoE.

Personally I'd say Kas'im could take Savage, let alone Bane.

This is kind of a spite thread tbh.

Kas'im is an even bigger joke of a lightsaber duelist than Bane is.

He'd get ragdolled or killed like Gallia

Originally posted by Nephthys
Personally I'd say Halsey could take Bane, let alone Savage.

This is kind of a spite thread tbh.

Who the **** is Halsey?

Originally posted by Stigma
I mean, people assert it and it's cool. But you have to admit that
pushing back Kenobi and Anakin, choking Dooku and Ventress simultaneously, pushing a spaceship of a cliff with one burst of TK all suggest otherwise.

Savage's TK feats seem better than Bane's in DoE.

Savage also matched superior combatants than Bane did in DoE.

That's because some of the feats you mentioned (namely, chocking both Ventress and Dooku) are circumstancial, and even if they weren't they are inconsistent, especially because of how Dooku chocked Savage casually.

The Jedi Savage killed with his axe lol.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
That's because some of the feats you mentioned (namely, chocking both Ventress and Dooku) are circumstancial, and even if they weren't they are inconsistent, especially because of how Dooku chocked Savage casually.
Savage was in his bloodlusted mode, that is why I specified in the OP that he is bloodlusted here.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
That's because some of the feats you mentioned (namely, chocking both Ventress and Dooku) are circumstancial, and even if they weren't they are inconsistent, especially because of how Dooku chocked Savage casually.

How is fighting evenly with Ventress circumstantial? And or any less circumstantial than Bane using a nexus to kill featless Kas'im, Bane utilizing a nexus to collapse portions of a badly ruined/semi-destroyed temple, Bane being amped to throw a big rock, Bane geing amped/covered in Orbalisks in practically all of his feats?

Originally posted by ILS
The Jedi Savage killed with his axe lol.

Wow, you really can't take that Bane is better than you thought, huh?

You've provided no evidence that he is, any rational person would think otherwise.

Originally posted by carthage
You've provided no evidence that he is, any rational person would think otherwise.

Originally posted by carthage
How is fighting evenly with Ventress circumstantial? And or any less circumstantial than Bane using a nexus to kill featless Kas'im, Bane utilizing a nexus to collapse portions of a badly ruined/semi-destroyed temple, Bane being amped to throw a big rock, Bane geing amped/covered in Orbalisks in practically all of his feats?

Read better, I said that some of them are circumstancial. Or, to be more precise, chocking Ventress and Dooku together is circumstancial, because they were very clearly distracted.

Originally posted by ILS
The Jedi Savage killed with his axe lol.

Featless fodder Jedi.

Savage is good, but not good enough to give Bane a challenge.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Read better, I said that some of them are circumstancial. Or, to be more precise, chocking Ventress and Dooku together is circumstancial, because they were very clearly distracted.

I gathered that but all of Bane's force feats are far more particular in the manner/circumstances/setting in which they occurred more so than Savage. Even without bringing up choking Ventress/Dooku, Savage has superior TK feats to Bane regardless.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Featless fodder Jedi.

Savage is good, but not good enough to give Bane a challenge.

Bane wasn't even good enough to defeat his apprentice in an all out fight, in spite of Zannah being near featless as a duelist

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bane SLAUGHTERHOUSE

In about 2 hours this thread went up to 7 pages long with more than 130 posts and more than a 1000 views now.

Seems, there still is some flame left in SWVF.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Featless fodder Jedi. Good thing I was joking and not even using that kill as a feat for Savage..

It was in reference to the point in Savage's early career where he killed them in spite of no training, Bane with training got stomped by Sithspawn and humiliated by Sirak and Fohargh (who are just as featless).

Savage holding his own against Ventress is a feat Bane has nothing to compare too

lmao @ this thread

Originally posted by carthage
Bane wasn't even good enough to defeat his apprentice in an all out fight, in spite of Zannah being near featless as a duelist

Can this same logic be applied to Plagueis and Sidious? Sidious had no feats prior to Darth Plagueis, no?

Plagueis, that pathetic example of a DLotS. Am I right?

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Can this same logic be applied to Plagueis and Sidious? Sidious had no feats prior to Darth Plagueis, no?

Plagueis, that pathetic example of a DLotS. Am I right?

Except that Luceno implied that Plagueis would outdo TPM Sidious in a duel. Sidious as of TPM had comparable skill feats like stomping Maul, so Im not sure what skill disparity exists between the two. Bane is all but useless as a lightsaber duelist, he's only ever beaten a featless trainee and fought evenly with Zannah whose only beaten a half trained Jedi knight. They arent even remotely top tier duelists

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Why did you bump this? Neph and DmB already proved Bane wins with their brilliant arguments

I thought that more praise for Bane can always be appreciated?

After some time, I'm undecided who is better. Leaning towards bloodlusted Savage

Bane can just blitz Savage, we all know Rain drops >> force sensitives, Sirak >> Plo Koon/Ventress

Hmm that's a fairly strong and well-reasoned out argument. You probably borrowed it from Bane supporters, didn't you?

Not to mention who did Savage beat/matched? Plo Koon, Ventress, Kenobi. Ha. He has nothing on Bane. Bane is just too unpredictable.