HoT V.S Emperor's Wrath !

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Revanchiste
Who win? (Or give up the first...)

ares834
Wrath doesn't need to weaken the Voce to beat it... smile

NewGuy01
Originally posted by ares834
Wrath doesn't need to weaken the Voce to beat it... smile

Nephthys
Wrath is the Emperor's buttslave. Like Scourge, he couldn't handle fighting even a weakened Vitiate. The Hero killed him.

Revanchiste
Hohoho... To me they are equal...

Sinious
HoT in a good fight.

Revanchiste
Why nobody have think to this before?

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by ares834
Wrath doesn't need to weaken the Voce to beat it... smile
Wrath didn't fight Emperor's Voice, rather Sel-Makor.

NewGuy01
Who was wielding the power of Vitiate.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Who was wielding the power of Vitiate.
This isn't the case.

That host was a contested one, neither being properly possessed by Emperor and not Sel-Makor since both were attempting to gain absolute control over it. However, Sel-Makor had advantage in this struggle because of the setting of the event and nature of the host and prevented Emperor from taking full control of this host during the ongoing struggle between them, otherwise, Emperor would have dealt with Sel-Makor on his own accord. In addition, due to setting, Emperor was finding it virtually impossible to leave this host and abandon this fruitless struggle. Therefore, Emperor's Wrath II was called upon by the Emperor during this struggle to aid him in breaking free from it and when the former confronted the "contested" host, Sel-Makor had gained its control.

It is also possible that Emperor helped Emperor's Wrath II to overcome Sel-Makor.

People are wrongly perceiving this clash as a battle between Emperor and his Wrath II. It wasn't.

NewGuy01
Right, Sel Makor was unable to possess Vitiate as the latter was keeping him at bay whilst trapped on Voss.

When the Wrath arrived, however, the Emperor lowered his defenses and was fully possessed by Sel--And he was defeated. Nothing suggests otherwise.

AncientPower
^Indeed.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Right, Sel Makor was unable to possess Vitiate as the latter was keeping him at bay whilst trapped on Voss.
Indeed.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
When the Wrath arrived, however, the Emperor lowered his defenses and was fully possessed by Sel--And he was defeated. Nothing suggests otherwise.
Exactly.

Wrath fought Sel-Makor at this moment, not Emperor. The latter deliberately aided Wrath to overcome Sel-Makor.

NewGuy01
I'm not saying he fought Vitiate, but it still stands that Sel Makor wielded Vitiate's tremendous power, and the Wrath still prevailed.

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm not saying he fought Vitiate, but it still stands that Sel Makor wielded Vitiate's tremendous power, and the Wrath still prevailed.
Nothing implies that Sel-Makor wielded Emperor's tremendous power during this confrontation. A possessed host is just an empty vessel, the possessor brings his own power in to the host while possessing it.

When Emperor possesses a host, it is labeled as Voice, and it doesn't have any power of its own; it have the power of Emperor after possession. This narrative logic is true for all possessions in Star Wars.

Nonetheless, Sel-Makor was an incredibly powerful and dangerous entity and overcoming it in single combat doesn't cheapens Wrath's accomplishments. The nature of this confrontation confuses people however as to whom he dealt with and it wasn't Emperor.

The Merchant
EEE

ares834
After Sel-Makor posses the Voice he says, "Such.... Power!"

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by ares834
After Sel-Makor posses the Voice he says, "Such.... Power!"
Sel-Makor may have bluffed to scare off Emperor's Wrath II.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nothing implies that Sel-Makor wielded Emperor's tremendous power during this confrontation. A possessed host is just an empty vessel, the possessor brings his own power in to the host while possessing it.

When Emperor possesses a host, it is labeled as Voice, and it doesn't have any power of its own; it have the power of Emperor after possession. This same logic is true for all possessions in Star Wars.

Except that the possessed doesn't necessarily inherit the full power of the possessor--Such was the case with Tavion Aximis and Marka Ragnos.

The reason why Vitiate is an exception is because he enhances his hosts via alchemically before possessing them.

If it was just some Voss mystic possessed by Sel Makor, the latter wouldn't have specifically noted how powerful this host was.

ares834
facepalm

S_W_LeGenD
Originally posted by ares834
facepalm
It is a possibility, Sel-Makor seems to psychologically influence its opponents.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Except that the possessed doesn't necessarily inherit the full power of the possessor--Such was the case with Tavion Aximis and Marka Ragnos.
Hmm. Depends upon the nature of possession as well.

When Talzin possessed Dooku and fought Sidious right afterwards, Sidious commented that she lacked skills of Dooku. This development further convinced me that possessed hosts are like empty vessels.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The reason why Vitiate is an exception is because he enhances his hosts via alchemically before possessing them.
He does?

Emperor have the capability to possess hosts without enhancing them though.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
If it was just some Voss mystic possessed by Sel Makor, the latter wouldn't have specifically noted how powerful this host was.
This seems to give the impression that Sel-Makor may have momentarily sensed the power of Emperor during his attempt to fully possess the host in question and made this remark while doing so. However, I don't think that Sel-Makor actually wielded Emperor's power after the possession, it seems illogical for possession dynamic even in Star Wars.

The Merchant
Men

carthage
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Sinious
@NewGuy

Do you honestly believe Wrath II could defeat an Emperor's Voice?

Revanchiste
The wrath beat a dark council member with ease so why not...

Nephthys
He didn't beat any Dark Council members with ease. And the Emperor's Voice is well above any Dark Council members.

Selenial
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I'm not saying he fought Vitiate, but it still stands that Sel Makor wielded Vitiate's tremendous power, and the Wrath still prevailed.

If he possessed the Voice then he has the power of the Voice, not the power that Vitiates spirit would feed it

Revanchiste
Humhum.. So... Holly shit. I do not paid attention to that..
That's mean the empeor wrath ..... glups.... Cannnot imagine...

FreshestSlice
Originally posted by Selenial
If he possessed the Voice then he has the power of the Voice, not the power that Vitiates spirit would feed it
Except Vitiate's power and spirit are inside the Voice now. Not the Voice's. That being said, Vitiate was clearly combating Sel-Makor internally.

Sinious
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Except Vitiate's power and spirit are inside the Voice now. Not the Voice's. That being said, Vitiate was clearly combating Sel-Makor internally.

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Wrath has no chance against the power of the Voice + Makor

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