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http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/15306399/

This guy went into detail, trying to break down current DC's cosmology, but what does everyone else feel? What do they make of it?

Wow, nice thread.

as always with these attempts at overarching definitions, it is based on the use of some, and ignoring of other, evidence. hang ups on terminology will always lead to arguments. i've no doubt that if someone wanted to contend the issue regarding omniverse, they could do so by posting evidence showing a DIFFERENT interpretation. it appears the current map of the multiverse ALREADY threw a monkey wrench into all that effort. is there support for what they are saying? sure there is. but could contradictory evidence paint a different picture? i've very little doubt it could. imo this type of effort can make for some entertaining discussion, but should never be taken--nor take itself--too seriously.

Since DC hasn't given us their official definition of an omniverse, it almost seems like some writers use the terms "multiverse" and "omniverse" interchangeably, as a means of simply describing an infinite amount of universes.

Here's another very recent/blatant example from Klarion #1:
http://i.imgur.com/6GKQP4I.jpg
"The multiverse is awesome. An infinity of choice."


Now the real question is: will Convergence build upon the current DC continuum(ie. add infinite universes to the existing infinite universes), or will it simply expand upon the infinitude of possibilities that are already present? I suppose we'll find out soon enough, though I *hope* it's the latter.

Shit, did Operator create that thread? It's pretty extensive. Shows a bunch of high abstract beings DC has.

Originally posted by leonidas
as always with these attempts at overarching definitions, it is based on the use of some, and ignoring of other, evidence. hang ups on terminology will always lead to arguments. i've no doubt that if someone wanted to contend the issue regarding omniverse, they could do so by posting evidence showing a DIFFERENT interpretation. it appears the current map of the multiverse ALREADY threw a monkey wrench into all that effort. is there support for what they are saying? sure there is. but could contradictory evidence paint a different picture? i've very little doubt it could. imo this type of effort can make for some entertaining discussion, but should never be taken--nor take itself--too seriously.

The guy posted a scan of booster gold mentioning a megaverse, and also he included the definition of the metaverse used in some superman comic. AND he showed that in final crisis secret files there was a mention of multiple multiverses. He ALSO posted a scan where it showed that sloane from the earth 2 worlds end series mentions a neighboring multiverse.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
The guy posted a scan of booster gold mentioning a megaverse, and also he included the definition of the metaverse used in some superman comic. AND he showed that in final crisis secret files there was a mention of multiple multiverses. None of this is relevant to current DC cosmology, as those are all pre-Flashpoint examples.

Originally posted by Galan007
Since DC hasn't given us their official definition of an omniverse, it almost seems like some writers use the terms "multiverse" and "omniverse" interchangeably, as a means of simply describing an infinite amount of universes.

Here's another very recent/blatant example from Klarion #1:
http://i.imgur.com/6GKQP4I.jpg
"The multiverse is awesome. An infinity of choice."


Now the real question is: will Convergence build upon the current DC continuum(ie. add infinite universes to the existing infinite universes), or will it simply expand upon the infinitude of possibilities that are already present? I suppose we'll find out soon enough, though I *hope* it's the latter.

I know Marvel has an index of terminologies, and DC doesnt, hence DC seems to constantly change between terminologies. We know from Didio that every reality throughout the history of DC exists now, we know that they cannot exist within the new 52 multiverse as it would be inconsistant to the new 52 new gods and the 5d imps, so those realities must exist outside the multiverse. Convergence also canonizes all of DC's past continuities, and in final crisis secret files it was stated that the bleed barrier contains multiverses. Superman: the next mentions the metaverse alongside its definition and in 52 #52 Booster Gold mentions a future threat as the megaverse. Surely this should add to DC's definition of an omniverse.

Also Earth 2 Worlds End #5 has terry sloane mentioning a neighboring multiverse. So at the very least, DC's definition of an omniverse must be multiple multiverses.

This is not suprising as Scott wrote the krypton returns story arc, which featured the most mentions of the omniverse, ironically scott is also writing convergence.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Shit, did Operator create that thread? It's pretty extensive. Shows a bunch of high abstract beings DC has.

Seems like it, though im not sure....spacebattles has a great formation for threads, characters can be linked form 100 pages away.

Originally posted by Galan007
None of this is relevant to current DC cosmology, as those are all pre-Flashpoint examples.

Every Reality prior to flashpoint, including the pre-crisis multiverse, are now canonized. Besides theres also a link to a quote from terry sloane from the Earth 2 worlds end series, issue 5 to be precise.

Opoc-AjMlww

Originally posted by Astner
Opoc-AjMlww

yeah thats no longer canon, and has been retconned, it completely contradicts the new 52's continuity. Also i would argue thats a map of the preflashpoint multiverse, but whatever i guess.

Also look up convergences week 1 line up, didio posted it on his facebook page, one of the quotes labels, fight between multiverses, and fight for infinite earths.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Also i would argue thats a map of the preflashpoint multiverse, but whatever i guess.
That map was given out for the Multiversity story-line which took place in the New 52.

It's a quite recent map as well, four months old? But time will tell I suppose.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Also look up convergences week 1 line up, didio posted it on his facebook page, one of the quotes labels, fight between multiverses, and fight for infinite earths.
I'll read it when it comes out.

Originally posted by Astner
That map was given out for the Multiversity story-line which took place in the New 52.

It's a quite recent map as well, four months old? But time will tell I suppose.


I'll read it when it comes out.

Actually all the multiversity comics take place in pre-52 realities.....so yeah......

Special thanks to operator for lending me a few scans.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
yeah thats no longer canon, and has been retconned, it completely contradicts the new 52's continuity. Also i would argue thats a map of the preflashpoint multiverse, but whatever i guess.

Also look up convergences week 1 line up, didio posted it on his facebook page, one of the quotes labels, fight between multiverses, and fight for infinite earths.

Uh, no it's canon. It's pretty much brand new.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Actually all the multiversity comics take place in pre-52 realities.....so yeah......

Again, nope.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XHsSx26JLiQ/VJrdbc8LI-I/AAAAAAAG_q0/gJIqv56VE30/s1600/p8_2.jpg

Essentially Infinite realities.

http://shelf-life.ew.com/2015/01/14/dc-reveals-convergence-1-cover-and-synopses-for-first-four-issues-exclusive/

"Rip Hunter and the missing Time Masters, who could be their only hope of escape from this apocalypse for Infinite Earths!"

right, so like i said, people will be able to contest any overarching 'theory' and will fit in what best supports said theory.... evidence you say? look at this thread and the posts in that thread itself. a lot of work, well supported, but.....whatever. contradictions have and will happen as they always have. seems pointless to me as it really settles nothing at all. makes for good discussion as i said, but any trying to pass that info off as 'official' needs to have their head examined.

It' a pretty good read from Space Battle,

Originally posted by Golgo13
Shit, did Operator create that thread? It's pretty extensive. Shows a bunch of high abstract beings DC has.

No. I don't have any account on other sites. But the guy did copy/paste many of my posts (word for word, even) which i made here on KMC. Not that i particularly mind, i just find it a bit funny....and weird, i guess.

@VastoLord1234, ill respond to your questions later on, im currently busy and can't engage in extensive debates.

Originally posted by operator616
No. I don't have any account on other sites. But the guy did copy/paste many of my posts (word for word, even) which i made here on KMC. Not that i particularly mind, i just find it a bit funny....and weird, i guess.

@VastoLord1234, ill respond to your questions later on, im currently busy and can't engage in extensive debates.

its why me and golgo thought that spacebattle thread was yours.....
Ofcourse, whenever you're free and able, thanks again

Originally posted by leonidas
right, so like i said, people will be able to contest any overarching 'theory' and will fit in what best supports said theory.... evidence you say? look at this thread and the posts in that thread itself. a lot of work, well supported, but.....whatever. contradictions have and will happen as they always have. seems pointless to me as it really settles nothing at all. makes for good discussion as i said, but any trying to pass that info off as 'official' needs to have their head examined.

Well one things fot sure, current DC is either an omniverse of multiple multiverses or a multiverse of infinite universes; whats your pick?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Every Reality prior to flashpoint, including the pre-crisis multiverse, are now canonized. Okay, so potentially the pre and post-Crisis multiverses might be brought back into continuity during the story--we already knew that months ago. But acting as though terms/definitions that have been used one time in the history of DC(like "metaverse" are going to play any sort of role in this event is silly, imo. They might, but it's extremely doubtful.

Also, you seem pretty dead-set on what you think current DC cosmology is(ergo you ignoring recent evidence like Morrison's official map of the multiverse), so why did you even create this thread?


On a sidenote, World's Funnest did the same basic thing like 15 years ago--it 'canonized' pre and post-Crisis DC, as well as pretty much every alternate dimension/earth we've ever seen, by having Mxy and Bat-Mite hop-into(and subsequently destroy/recreate) ALL of them.... Yet some of you people are acting like the plot of Convergence is some fresh/cutting-edge concept way ahead of its time. g007_teehee

That's pretty neat, him making a dc cosmics thread. We have a couple of those but it's not all pieced together like that one. This is still the main site for that stuff though with our respect threads. He is def using operators words and what looks like galans scans, and prob other things from here also lol. We need a dominus and kismet thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
Okay, so potentially the pre and post-Crisis multiverses might be brought back into continuity during the story--we already knew that months ago. But acting as though terms/definitions that have been used one time in the history of DC(like "metaverse" are going to play any sort of role in this event is silly, imo. They might, but it's extremely doubtful.

Also, you seem pretty dead-set on what you think current DC cosmology is(ergo you ignoring recent evidence like Morrison's official map of the multiverse), so why did you even create this thread?


On a sidenote, World's Funnest did the same basic thing like 15 years ago--it 'canonized' pre and post-Crisis DC, as well as pretty much every alternate dimension/earth we've ever seen, by having Mxy and Bat-Mite hop-into(and subsequently destroy/recreate) ALL of them.... Yet some of you people are acting like the plot of Convergence is some fresh/cutting-edge concept way ahead of its time. g007_teehee

Potentially? its already confirmed, the first four weeks will be stories about the pre-flashpoint and the pre-crisis multiverses.

Im not saying that terms like metaverse and megaverse are objective, im only saying that current DC consists of more than one multiverse at the very least, this is due to several terminologies used in the new 52, such as terry sloane mentioning a neighboring multiverse or scott continuously using the term omniverse, scott who's also writing convergence stories.

Im not dead-set on anything, im curious thats all, but what i am dead set against, is people using morrisons map to say that current DC is only 52 universes, thats the only thing im dead-set against, since it contradicts everything that has come after. Heck i'd even argue that map is the map of the pre-flashpoint multiverse. Especially when multiversity is basically about pre-flashpoint stories.

I know absolutely nothing about Worlds Funnest, heck im surprised at what you just said; scans for proof?

Originally posted by kevdude
That's pretty neat, him making a dc cosmics thread. We have a couple of those but it's not all pieced together like that one. This is still the main site for that stuff though with our respect threads. He is def using operators words and what looks like galans scans, and prob other things from here also lol. We need a dominus and kismet thread.

Pretty much every internet forum uses killermovies as its source, cause it has the top debaters. Heck Deadliest Fictional Wik and Outskirts Battledome made wikias dedicated to killermovies, explaining how killermovies is the best site for comic fans, and has the most knowledgeable posters.

Even before i joined killermovies, i knew about the top posters like mrmaster, galan, operator etc etc.

I didnt even know there was a DC cosmology thread on KMC, im well aware of mrmasters marvel one. Thats a good thing about the other forums, they're structures are made to be easy, you can access feats 100 pages away simply by linking the comment.

Im sure the guy also explained that he used killermovies as his basis..........what if he's reading this thread right now?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Heck i'd even argue that map is the map of the pre-flashpoint multiverse. Especially when multiversity is basically about pre-flashpoint stories. Meh, even in the '52-era' there were still infinite universes, as confirmed by Rip Hunter:
http://i.imgur.com/YCDpNH8.png

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I know absolutely nothing about Worlds Funnest, heck im surprised at what you just said; scans for proof? Basically, Mxy and Bat-Mite spend the entire issue fighting, whilst hopping through, and subsequently destroying, numerous universes/dimensions(both pre and post-Crisis.) This book reached its crescendo when Mxy became hyper-enraged and destroyed ALL of DC(its pre-Crisis past, its post-Crisis present, its distant future, and every alternate reality in between) in one fell swoop:
http://i.imgur.com/G3Xc2UY.png

http://i.imgur.com/6ucadVU.png


And he had already wiped out EVERY numbered dimension in existence earlier in the book:
http://i.imgur.com/lxNryh0.png


At the end, he recreated all of it with a snap, and made plans to do the very same thing "next Tuesday":
http://i.imgur.com/edJy9ym.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z0FNjry.jpg

Yeah that is true. This place is pretty well known and rightfully so. There's a few but their not like mrmasters.

Originally posted by Galan007
Meh, even in the '52-era' there were still infinite universes, as confirmed by Rip Hunter:
http://i.imgur.com/YCDpNH8.png

Basically, Mxy and Bat-Mite spend the entire issue fighting, whilst hopping through, and subsequently destroying, numerous universes/dimensions(both pre and post-Crisis.) This book reached its crescendo when Mxy became hyper-enraged and destroyed ALL of DC(its pre-Crisis past, its post-Crisis present, its distant future, and every alternate reality in between) in one fell swoop:
http://i.imgur.com/G3Xc2UY.png

http://i.imgur.com/6ucadVU.png


And he had already wiped out EVERY numbered dimension in existence earlier in the book:
http://i.imgur.com/lxNryh0.png


At the end, he recreated all of it with a snap, and made plans to do the very same thing "next Tuesday":
http://i.imgur.com/edJy9ym.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z0FNjry.jpg

I dont know about that scan, granted Rip said that, but thats a one time deal, while as the new 52 comics have referenced an infinite number of universes atleast 10 times. Krypton returns (story arc) also showed that time travel creates another universe, which i think is hypertime, if thats what hypertime is.

Wow, that was pretty BA for an OP imp.....lol this is the first im seeing feats like that from mxy, every numbered dimension? i thought theres only 5.

Originally posted by kevdude
Yeah that is true. This place is pretty well known and rightfully so. There's a few but their not like mrmasters.

I guess that spacbattles thread finally did a DC cosmology thread right, though im not sure why no one in KMC has done a DC thread as extensive as mrmasters marvel thread. Im sure Galan and operator alone could accomplish an extensive DC thread if they wanted to.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I dont know about that scan, granted Rip said that, but thats a one time deal, Rip Hunter isn't just some random joe who randomly spouts nonsense. He is the chief authority on DC cosmology--his word is about as irrefutable as an in-universe source can get. He is, after all, the character who originally discovered/decoded Hypertime:
http://i.imgur.com/D3exfmY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0y4mkuy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hRlURuy.jpg
...A concept not even the Linear Men could grasp.


On that note, Hypertime still existed in the '52-era' as well--as confirmed by Skeets:
http://i.imgur.com/8B0slTP.jpg

The comic that panel is from(52 #27) wasn't written by a bunch of no-name hacks, btw, it was written by Johns+Morrison+Rucka+Waid. That said, it implied that there were still infinite universes in DC, even before Rip Hunter explicitly stated as much in the scan I posted above.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Wow, that was pretty BA for an OP imp.....lol this is the first im seeing feats like that from mxy, every numbered dimension? i thought theres only 5. There are a lot of dimensions in DC. Kid Devil, for example, once traveled to the 52nd dimension:
http://i.imgur.com/Cv5eqqZ.jpg


Heck, even back during OWAW, humans were aware of at least "12 1/3" dimensions, as well as the multiverse-proper:
http://i.imgur.com/MgjEJDX.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Rip Hunter isn't just some random joe who randomly spouts nonsense. He is the chief authority on DC cosmology--his word is about as irrefutable as an in-universe source can get. He is, after all, the character who originally discovered/decoded Hypertime:
http://i.imgur.com/D3exfmY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0y4mkuy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hRlURuy.jpg
...A concept not even the Linear Men could grasp.


On that note, Hypertime still existed in the '52-era' as well--as confirmed by Skeets:
http://i.imgur.com/8B0slTP.jpg

The comic that panel is from(52 #27) wasn't written by a bunch of no-name hacks, btw, it was written by Johns+Morrison+Rucka+Waid. That said, it implied that there were still infinite universes in DC, even before Rip Hunter explicitly stated as much in the scan I posted above.

There are a lot of dimensions in DC. Kid Devil, for example, once traveled to the 52nd dimension:
http://i.imgur.com/Cv5eqqZ.jpg


Heck, even back during OWAW, humans were aware of at least "12 1/3" dimensions, as well as the multiverse-proper:
http://i.imgur.com/MgjEJDX.jpg

So even back then DC was still an infinite multiverse due to hypertime? But that doesnt make sense, if the 52 core universes are the NOT the result of hypertime, wouldnt that mean that each of the 52 universes would be subjected to hypertime? wouldnt this lead to 52 multiverses instead?

So 12 1/3 is the maximum DC's dimensions has gone to?

Heres whats funny, most of the time (if not all), the ones who throw around terminologies like hypertime, metaverse, megaverse, omniverse, are the same people who are the top dogs of DC, like lobdell, didio, waid, johns, morrison etc etc, yet those are the same guys who have not even constructed a DC index of terminologies and as a result, write contradictory stories regarding DC's cosmology.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
So even back then DC was still an infinite multiverse due to hypertime? But that doesnt make sense, if the 52 core universes are the NOT the result of hypertime, wouldnt that mean that each of the 52 universes would be subjected to hypertime? wouldnt this lead to 52 multiverses instead? DC never really stopped being a multiverse. Metron himself(another chief authority on DC cosmology) directly referenced the multiverse in JSA #13:
http://i.imgur.com/494G9hX.jpg


And Spectre alluded to a multiverse(and beyond) during the Emperor Joker arc:
http://i.imgur.com/l66l0LZ.jpg

There are other examples, but what I've posted should suffice as more than enough proof.

Hypertime merely expanded upon the already present multiverse by canonizing all timelines/universes/dimensions that did, do, or would ever exist(even pre-Crisis ones.) This is pretty much the same concept we'll see in Convergence, by the looks of it.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
So 12 1/3 is the maximum DC's dimensions has gone to? No, that's the maximum number that human scientists were aware of at the time. Kid Devil, however, hopped all the way to the 52nd dimension... So we know there were at least 51 other numbered dimensions in pre-Flashpoint DC.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Heres whats funny, most of the time (if not all), the ones who throw around terminologies like hypertime, metaverse, megaverse, omniverse, are the same people who are the top dogs of DC, like lobdell, didio, waid, johns, morrison etc etc, yet those are the same guys who have not even constructed a DC index of terminologies and as a result, write contradictory stories regarding DC's cosmology. That's comics for ya.

Originally posted by Galan007
DC never really stopped being a multiverse. Metron himself(another chief authority on DC cosmology) directly referenced the multiverse in JSA #13:
http://i.imgur.com/494G9hX.jpg


And Spectre alluded to a multiverse(and beyond) during the Emperor Joker arc:
http://i.imgur.com/l66l0LZ.jpg

There are other examples, but what I've posted should suffice as more than enough proof.

Hypertime merely expanded upon the already present multiverse by canonizing all timelines/universes/dimensions that did, do, or would ever exist(even pre-Crisis ones.) This is pretty much the same concept we'll see in Convergence, by the looks of it.

No, that's the maximum number that human scientists were aware of at the time. Kid Devil, however, hopped all the way to the 52nd dimension... So we know there were at least 51 other numbered dimensions in pre-Flashpoint DC.

That's comics for ya.

So basically convergence will canonize the definition of hypertime? From DC's website we know that convergence takes place outside space and time, we also know that the current new 52 multiverse possesses infinite universes, and quantum mechanics produces more. We know that the new 52 new gods are retconned, does that mean these pre-flashpoint realities make up they're own multiverse? or is it still apart of one multiverse? (which would still be contradictory)

Appreciate your time and effort with the scans BTW

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
So basically convergence will canonize the definition of hypertime? Hypertime was essentially the canonization of every universe/dimension/timeline that has, or will, ever exist throughout DC's history(which is what the basis of Convergence seems to be, yes.) Hence why we saw pre and post-Crisis universes, as well as alternate dimensions, in the Hypertime splash-page:
http://i.imgur.com/oaGwFrq.jpg


Rip then went on to explain the general concept of Hypertime:
http://i.imgur.com/SQI5WaA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YDYeYu5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WcCndoa.jpg


Hypertime was so vast/overwhelming, in fact, that Matthew Ryder(a Linear Man who spends his time roaming the timestream) couldn't even handle briefly gazing upon it:
http://i.imgur.com/noVXxgx.jpg

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
does that mean these pre-flashpoint realities make up they're own multiverse? or is it still apart of one multiverse? (which would still be contradictory)

Appreciate your time and effort with the scans BTW Pre-Flashpoint DC was a multiverse. Pre-Crisis DC was also a multiverse. If those are brought back, then it means 2 more infinite multiverses will be tacked onto DC's current infinite multiverse(s).

Originally posted by Galan007
Hypertime was essentially the canonization of every universe/dimension/timeline that has, or will, ever exist throughout DC's history(which is what the basis of Convergence seems to be, yes.) Hence why we saw pre and post-Crisis universes, as well as alternate dimensions, in the Hypertime splash-page:
http://i.imgur.com/oaGwFrq.jpg


Rip then went on to explain the general concept of Hypertime:
http://i.imgur.com/SQI5WaA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/YDYeYu5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WcCndoa.jpg


Hypertime was so vast/overwhelming, in fact, that Matthew Ryder(a Linear Man who spends his time roaming the timestream) couldn't even handle briefly gazing upon it:
http://i.imgur.com/noVXxgx.jpg

Pre-Flashpoint DC was a multiverse. Pre-Crisis DC was also a multiverse. If those are brought back, then it means 2 more infinite multiverses will be tacked onto DC's current infinite multiverse(s).

Both multiverses possessed infinite universes, right?
From what i could recall the post crisis multiverse wasnt a complete reboot as the new gods were the same new gods from the pre-crisis multiverse? is that true? and thus WF mxy affected the pre-crisis multiverse as well? wouldnt that mean that the pre-crisis and the post crisis multiverse were one and the same? via hypertime?

I recall you mentioning some character with some madusa mask or something; who re-created the pre-crisis multiverse?

Wouldnt that be contradictory as it would mean both multiverses were seperate? yet they were one?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Well one things fot sure, current DC is either an omniverse of multiple multiverses or a multiverse of infinite universes; whats your pick?

that's the kind of pigeon-holing that always comes from looking too closely at these things. from one pov it is purely an issue of semantics. from another, EACH is actually supportably accurate. me, i'd as soon leave it alone and not bother with even trying to formally categorize it--which was my initial point. from a purely outsiders stand point, what is happening (and appears on the verge of happening) is a re-visualizing of the hypertime concept that dc wasted so badly. it was a brilliant concept that was relegated to, essentially, the junk heap and now they are just bringing it back in a shinier package--maybe. what would you consider hypertime? as you can see, coming to a consensus on the issue will be impossible. i do believe that despite the contradictions that it presents, the new map will be dc's OFFICIAL stance though, and that regardless of evidence to the contrary that really is that, imo. but like i said, it does stimulate interesting discussion.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234


Even before i joined killermovies, i knew about the top posters like mrmaster, galan, operator etc etc.

they're overrated. sneer

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Both multiverses possessed infinite universes, right? Yes.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
From what i could recall the post crisis multiverse wasnt a complete reboot as the new gods were the same new gods from the pre-crisis multiverse? is that true? The original/prime infinite multiverse was initially rebooted into a singular universe after the original Crisis. The higher dimensional planes which exist outside the prime multiverse(like the 4th World/home of the New Gods) were unaffected by said reboot.

But as I explained above: DC was still an infinite multiverse prior to Flashpoint--it evidently grew into one over the years. /shrug

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
and thus WF mxy affected the pre-crisis multiverse as well? wouldnt that mean that the pre-crisis and the post crisis multiverse were one and the same? via hypertime? The introduction of Hypertime amalgamated/merged pre and post-Crisis DC--it placed them under the same unit of cosmology. Prior to this, they were entirely separate.

However, it was established soon thereafter that it is well within a 5D being's power to manipulate Hypertime to their whim:
http://i.imgur.com/lBwOO7A.jpg


...Which might help explain how Mxy did... What he did.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Wouldnt that be contradictory as it would mean both multiverses were seperate? yet they were one? Convergence appears to be treating pre and post-Crisis DC as two separate entities--two separate multiverses. We won't know for sure until the event commences, but I doubt Hypertime will be referenced. Hopefully it will be, but I'm not holding my breath.

Originally posted by leonidas
they're overrated. sneer Your face is overrated!

bat

hrm. with an ascot and a wig i could look good too. sneer

Originally posted by leonidas
that's the kind of pigeon-holing that always comes from looking too closely at these things. from one pov it is purely an issue of semantics. from another, EACH is actually supportably accurate. me, i'd as soon leave it alone and not bother with even trying to formally categorize it--which was my initial point. from a purely outsiders stand point, what is happening (and appears on the verge of happening) is a re-visualizing of the hypertime concept that dc wasted so badly. it was a brilliant concept that was relegated to, essentially, the junk heap and now they are just bringing it back in a shinier package--maybe. what would you consider hypertime? as you can see, coming to a consensus on the issue will be impossible. i do believe that despite the contradictions that it presents, the new map will be dc's OFFICIAL stance though, and that regardless of evidence to the contrary that really is that, imo. but like i said, it does stimulate interesting discussion.

So you only believe in 52 universes and thats it? to each his own but its clear cut to me that at the very least there are infinite universes.

Originally posted by leonidas
they're overrated. sneer

Well i also knew you, are you overrated?

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes.

The original/prime infinite multiverse was initially rebooted into a singular universe after the original Crisis. The higher dimensional planes which exist outside the prime multiverse(like the 4th World/home of the New Gods) were unaffected by said reboot.

But as I explained above: DC was still an infinite multiverse prior to Flashpoint--it evidently grew into one over the years. /shrug

The introduction of Hypertime amalgamated/merged pre and post-Crisis DC--it placed them under the same unit of cosmology. Prior to this, they were entirely separate.

However, it was established soon thereafter that it is well within a 5D being's power to manipulate Hypertime to their whim:
http://i.imgur.com/lBwOO7A.jpg


...Which might help explain how Mxy did... What he did.

Convergence appears to be treating pre and post-Crisis DC as two separate entities--two separate multiverses. We won't know for sure until the event commences, but I doubt Hypertime will be referenced. Hopefully it will be, but I'm not holding my breath.

Well one things for sure, the new 52 multiverse is its own entity, due to the fact that the new gods and the 5d imps are retconned.

Do you have scans confirming that the new gods werent affected by the original crisis? also do you have scans of that character using that mask to re-create the pre-crisis multiverse?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Well one things for sure, the new 52 multiverse is its own entity, due to the fact that the new gods and the 5d imps are retconned.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Do you have scans confirming that the new gods werent affected by the original crisis?
http://i.imgur.com/BAHBTGX.png

-Firestorm v2 #58

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
also do you have scans of that character using that mask to re-create the pre-crisis multiverse?
http://i.imgur.com/XMdbbGy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6xyGAgG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/A7BdQpn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/if93ZkP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZyxDMf3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D2ijimC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ymQa302.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NJi4zEe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jRJ6xWn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u41AeMf.jpg


It can all be summed up by these two panels:
http://i.imgur.com/zBfWbbI.png http://i.imgur.com/ecUeKg6.png

-Animal Man #23-24

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
So you only believe in 52 universes and thats it? to each his own but its clear cut to me that at the very least there are infinite universes.

that's not what i said. at all. you're attempting to force a choice where making either choice can be proven wrong--or right. so....why would i make a choice at all? what i said was the newest map will be canon, and will--in all likelihood--be the official stance of the dcu, so now we're saying the company's own stance is incorrect? i'm well aware of the contradictions, i'm just not sure they mean much and they will always be open for debate. galan's already thrown a wtf monkey wrench into all the work done on that site with only a few scans. THAT was my original point. the site is very well done, and i commend the effort and time put into it. but it is not 'definitive'. it can't be. dc has ALWAYS been a cosmological disaster. i don't think there is a tidy answer to your question.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Well i also knew you, are you overrated?

yes. sneer

It is said to be that Monitor was send to DC creation when the story of Superman was born. So, It means that Monitor has been there from Golden Age to Final Crisis. and Nix Uotan of DCnU seems to be same person as Nix Uotan of Final Crisis. So Does this mean that Monitor Sphere dwarf Pre-Crisis multiverse, Pre-Flash point multiverse,DCnU multiverse?

Originally posted by Galan007



http://i.imgur.com/BAHBTGX.png

-Firestorm v2 #58


http://i.imgur.com/XMdbbGy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6xyGAgG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/A7BdQpn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/if93ZkP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZyxDMf3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/D2ijimC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ymQa302.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NJi4zEe.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jRJ6xWn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/u41AeMf.jpg


It can all be summed up by these two panels:
http://i.imgur.com/zBfWbbI.png http://i.imgur.com/ecUeKg6.png

-Animal Man #23-24

Events like that really gets my psyched. One quick question; top 10 most powerful DC artifacts

Originally posted by leonidas
that's not what i said. at all. you're attempting to force a choice where making either choice can be proven wrong--or right. so....why would i make a choice at all? what i said was the newest map will be canon, and will--in all likelihood--be the official stance of the dcu, so now we're saying the company's own stance is incorrect? i'm well aware of the contradictions, i'm just not sure they mean much and they will always be open for debate. galan's already thrown a wtf monkey wrench into all the work done on that site with only a few scans. THAT was my original point. the site is very well done, and i commend the effort and time put into it. but it is not 'definitive'. it can't be. dc has ALWAYS been a cosmological disaster. i don't think there is a tidy answer to your question.

You're speaking in riddles
That map isnt by the company, its by grant morrison, and he created that map so other writers can use it as a guide, yet its funny how none of the writers used that map and how Didio, a monthor 2 later, came out with the synopsis of convergence with a cosmology completely mocking that map.

But then there was an explanation, that map was from multiversity, every multiversity issue that has come out so far, has been stories about the pre-flashpoint multiverses, considering how the final poster of convergence depicted the cartoon universe as one of the universe captured by braniac, and that same cartoon universe was one of the universe on the map, its safe to say that map is the map of the pre-flashpoint multiverse.

Originally posted by leonidas
yes. sneer

There there, dont be soo harsh on yourself

Originally posted by CatL18
It is said to be that Monitor was send to DC creation when the story of Superman was born. So, It means that Monitor has been there from Golden Age to Final Crisis. and Nix Uotan of DCnU seems to be same person as Nix Uotan of Final Crisis. So Does this mean that Monitor Sphere dwarf Pre-Crisis multiverse, Pre-Flash point multiverse,DCnU multiverse?

Then again the map contradicts most of DC's inconsistent and damaged cosmology; so i wouldnt be surprised with what you said, then again hypertime could easily fix everything, like how galan gave examples.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Events like that really gets my psyched. One quick question; top 10 most powerful DC artifacts There are so many... The Genesis Box, the Medusa Mask, Thought Robot, Worlogog, Anti-Life Equation, Spear of Destiny, Books of Magic, Central Battery(pre-Johns), Miracle Machine, Heart Stones, Concentrator, Heart of Darkness, Batman's leg, Matter-Eater Lad's stomach, etc. etc. etc.

Originally posted by Galan007
There are so many... The Genesis Box, the Medusa Mask, Thought Robot, Worlogog, Anti-Life Equation, Spear of Destiny, Books of Magic, Central Battery(pre-Johns), Miracle Machine, Heart Stones, Concentrator, Heart of Darkness, Batman's leg, Matter-Eater Lad's stomach, etc. etc. etc.



HA, batmans leg? How many artifacts are there? and how powerful are they?

*I know about the worlogog, the genesis box, anti-life equation, medusa mask and thought robot (though i was surprised with that one, as TR is kinda featless), so i dont need anything on those.

Also if you can then scans wont be bad either

Dc is an Omniverse of it's own, it's neither a Part of Marvel nor our own Universe, as it is only fictionai iow, not real, that's why an oxymoronic thing like multiple Omniverses in multiple companies can exists. You could also call it a Metaverse.

There is an infinite number of Universes in a Multiverse and hence in the Omni- or Metaverse itself. DCnU is I guess an Multiverse of it's own, the PC verse and the Pre DcnU verse too, I hope Darkseid is still above all this and this rectonn is like a thing for his Avatars and the real is still just one being, a Metaversal concept of Evil.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
HA, batmans leg? How many artifacts are there? and how powerful are they?

*I know about the worlogog, the genesis box, anti-life equation, medusa mask and thought robot (though i was surprised with that one, as TR is kinda featless), so i dont need anything on those.

Also if you can then scans wont be bad either I wouldn't say the Thought Robot was featless. It was, after all, a meta-textual piece of technology that, when combined with Superman's story, became the essence/embodiment of a good story--powerful enough to overcome even Mandrakk, who was the essence/embodiment of an evil story.

-The Miracle Machine was used on a multiversal scale during Final Crisis.
-The energies of the GL Central Battery(pre-Johns) made Hal/Parallax and Kyle/Ion universal+ forces.
-The Heart Stones allowed Lady Styx to rival the God.
-The Heart of Darkness gave Eclipso "near-infinite" power, and put him on par with Spectre.
-If the elemental parliaments can be regarded as 'artifacts', then he who controls all of them(like Swamp Thing did) becomes powerful enough to replace the God.

If you want scans of all that, you can probably find them by using the search function. I've made several posts on said items over the years, and I'm sure guys like operator have as well.

Probably the most obscure artifact/technology I mentioned is 'The Concentrator' featured in Adventure Comics v1 #321. With a literal flip of a switch, it was able to instantly absorb ALL forms of energy/power throughout the entire universe:
http://i.imgur.com/FBlFomA.png

http://i.imgur.com/4vbytO3.png

Originally posted by Galan007
I wouldn't say the Thought Robot was featless. It was, after all, a meta-textual piece of technology that, when combined with Superman's story, became the essence/embodiment of a good story--powerful enough to overcome even Mandrakk, who was the essence/embodiment of an evil story.

-The Miracle Machine was used on a multiversal scale during Final Crisis.
-The energies of the GL Central Battery(pre-Johns) made Hal/Parallax and Kyle/Ion universal+ forces.
-The Heart Stones allowed Lady Styx to rival the God.
-The Heart of Darkness gave Eclipso "near-infinite" power, and put him on par with Spectre.
-If the elemental parliaments can be regarded as 'artifacts', then he who controls all of them(like Swamp Thing did) becomes powerful enough to replace the God.

If you want scans of all that, you can probably find them by using the search function. I've made several posts on said items over the years, and I'm sure guys like operator have as well.

Probably the most obscure artifact/technology I mentioned is 'The Concentrator' featured in Adventure Comics v1 #321. With a literal flip of a switch, it was able to instantly absorb ALL forms of energy/power throughout the entire universe:
http://i.imgur.com/FBlFomA.png

http://i.imgur.com/4vbytO3.png

But what does meta-textual mean, what is "the story", what is the impact of embodying stories, its too deluded and Shakespearean for my taste. Aside from the miracle machine, there goes any notion of DC possessing a multiversal artifact. Marvel wins in the artifacts department, i assume? Thanks for the scans btw.....one more question, small one, top 10 most powerful beings in the history of DC's entire existence (and what versal they are)

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Dc is an Omniverse of it's own, it's neither a Part of Marvel nor our own Universe, as it is only fictionai iow, not real, that's why an oxymoronic thing like multiple Omniverses in multiple companies can exists. You could also call it a Metaverse.

There is an infinite number of Universes in a Multiverse and hence in the Omni- or Metaverse itself. DCnU is I guess an Multiverse of it's own, the PC verse and the Pre DcnU verse too, I hope Darkseid is still above all this and this rectonn is like a thing for his Avatars and the real is still just one being, a Metaversal concept of Evil.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what convergence does to DC's cosmology. right now everythings up for speculation, everyones got their own theory, i believe in multiple multiverses, galan believes in hypertime, leon believes in....something, i dont know, you and operator believe in an omniverse and golgos in the same department as leon.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
You're speaking in riddles
That map isnt by the company, its by grant morrison, and he created that map so other writers can use it as a guide, yet its funny how none of the writers used that map and how Didio, a monthor 2 later, came out with the synopsis of convergence with a cosmology completely mocking that map.

But then there was an explanation, that map was from multiversity, every multiversity issue that has come out so far, has been stories about the pre-flashpoint multiverses, considering how the final poster of convergence depicted the cartoon universe as one of the universe captured by braniac, and that same cartoon universe was one of the universe on the map, its safe to say that map is the map of the pre-flashpoint multiverse.



not trying to be all enigmatic. i just think it's silly trying to choose between choices that can both be proven to be accurate. clearly there is a mess, despite the clean up efforts. where does the injustice universe fit in? the fight for the multiverse multiverse? there are obviously multiple multiverses making up dc currently. but how they work and fit in relation to each other is anyone's guess. i do think you're understating the purpose of that map however. dc already has it up on their official website as THE map of THE multiverse--as it is now conceived, in the new dc. on it is listed EARTH-0 and the official description has earth-0's first appearance being nu justice league #1. it would seem they intend it to stand as the map of the dcnu....

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I guess we'll have to wait and see what convergence does to DC's cosmology. right now everythings up for speculation, everyones got their own theory, i believe in multiple multiverses, galan believes in hypertime, leon believes in....something, i dont know, you and operator believe in an omniverse and golgos in the same department as leon.

ha! no one's called me leon for a long while....

summing up my beliefs is hard, only because, as i said, there are different right answers to the question. there is certainly, by evidence, more than one multiverse. but how do they relate? impossible to say imo. when hypertime existed it made things much easier and the relationship was easy to understand. now? not so much. i FAVOR a hypertime explanation, but it is not one supported by dc--especially as it currently stands. my hope is that convergence will sort out the catastrophe that is dc's cosmology.

Shut up, leon.

nutkick

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Then again the map contradicts most of DC's inconsistent and damaged cosmology; so i wouldnt be surprised with what you said, then again hypertime could easily fix everything, like how galan gave examples.
Which is higher, Hypertime or Monitor Sphere?

Originally posted by leonidas
ha! no one's called me leon for a long while....

summing up my beliefs is hard, only because, as i said, there are different right answers to the question. there is certainly, by evidence, more than one multiverse. but how do they relate? impossible to say imo. when hypertime existed it made things much easier and the relationship was easy to understand. now? not so much. i FAVOR a hypertime explanation, but it is not one supported by dc--especially as it currently stands. my hope is that convergence will sort out the catastrophe that is dc's cosmology.

I prefer Leon, it sounds cool; that is if you dont mind me calling you that

Anyway about DC, its cosmology is a mess, but i want to know your views, how does the map fit with convergence and the new 52's current line-up of terms?

Originally posted by Galan007
Shut up, leon.

One more thing galan, whats the stance on mageddon?

Originally posted by CatL18
Which is higher, Hypertime or Monitor Sphere?

Monitor sphere is essentially its own realm, hypertime is DC's quantum mechanics. So hypertime is bigger, logically that is.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/16202437/

I think he/she noticed our reaction to that thread, i gotta say though i commend him for putting time into that thread.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
One more thing galan, whats the stance on mageddon? What do you mean?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
http://forums.spacebattles.com/posts/16202437/

I think he/she noticed our reaction to that thread, i gotta say though i commend him for putting time into that thread.


http://i.imgur.com/hHTwMPI.png

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Monitor sphere is essentially its own realm, hypertime is DC's quantum mechanics. So hypertime is bigger, logically that is.
But Didn't Didio say that each earth has divergent time line. Isn't is quantum mechanics? and they are within Breed.
I can't decide which is bigger, But isn't it irrelevant that Hypertime is bigger because Hypertime is quantu mechanics?
And Monitor Sphere is The outermost realm in DC multi or metaverse that is near the Overvoid which dwarf every DC's creation including Hypertime.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
One more thing galan, whats the stance on mageddon?

I think its an antiquated technology and the government should stop propping it up with useless subsidies .

Originally posted by Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/hHTwMPI.png



we have a superiority complex?

not sure who has been going around boasting, but i for one find the whole comparing of forums thing pretty hilarious tbh. i've never posted on other forums not because i have any sense that this is a 'superior' forum. rather, because i'm too damn lazy. besides that, the forum IS open, so, if someone likes it, they should, you know, maybe join in? shrug we don't bite. well maybe titan does, but whatever. i've never understood the animosity i see sometimes when people talk about other forums...

back on topic--leon is fine, leo is just the norm.

as for my views--i've intentionally stayed out of it, but give me a couple days (leaving for indiana tomorrow morning) and i'll try and give you something closer to what you're looking for if i can get my stuff together. you've already got some good stuff, not sure what i'll add, but i'll see what i can do.

I have a question to debater of this thread.
Is Monitor Sphere of New52 same as Pre-Flashpoint Monitor Sphere?
The Monitor was send to creation by Overvoid when The Story of Superman was born for the first time.And Nix Uotan in Multiversity is same person as him in Final Crisis. So Theoritically, They and Sphere of Monitor have been there from Pre-Crisis multiverse to DCnU.
But, Pre-Crisis multiverse, pre-Flashpoint multiverse,DCnU multiverse, They are different multiverse. What does it mean?
Is it because of that Monitor Sphere dwarf them all? or Does it mean that Each Multiverse has Monitor Sphere(and Source Wall),and Monitors move between them?

Originally posted by Galan007
What do you mean?

I heard the mageddon is a new god tech, a universal threat, is that true?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think its an antiquated technology and the government should stop propping it up with useless subsidies .

I barely know a thing about the mageddon

Originally posted by leonidas


we have a superiority complex?

not sure who has been going around boasting, but i for one find the whole comparing of forums thing pretty hilarious tbh. i've never posted on other forums not because i have any sense that this is a 'superior' forum. rather, because i'm too damn lazy. besides that, the forum IS open, so, if someone likes it, they should, you know, maybe join in? shrug we don't bite. well maybe titan does, but whatever. i've never understood the animosity i see sometimes when people talk about other forums...

back on topic--leon is fine, leo is just the norm.

as for my views--i've intentionally stayed out of it, but give me a couple days (leaving for indiana tomorrow morning) and i'll try and give you something closer to what you're looking for if i can get my stuff together. you've already got some good stuff, not sure what i'll add, but i'll see what i can do.

Enjoy your stay in Indiana.

Leon reminds me of leon from resident evil, it sounds cool,

I remember how intimidated i was about joining killermovies at first, mainly cause most, if not all, comic knowledge came from here, i felt like a 3rd grader trying to hang out with college jocks, so i spent some time trying to up my comic knowledge, and somehow i made a good impression by adding to the rune lord respect thread.

Most forum members are intimidated or too nervous to join here, so they merely stalk the forums and take what they can and flee to other forums. Im with every forum on the internet, save for the OBD and the lounge. So im speaking for those forum members. But i got to say, KMC is by far the most friendliest forum ive been to, and also i stood corrected, its the library haven for comics.

Originally posted by CatL18
I have a question to debater of this thread.
Is Monitor Sphere of New52 same as Pre-Flashpoint Monitor Sphere?
The Monitor was send to creation by Overvoid when The Story of Superman was born for the first time.And Nix Uotan in Multiversity is same person as him in Final Crisis. So Theoritically, They and Sphere of Monitor have been there from Pre-Crisis multiverse to DCnU.
But, Pre-Crisis multiverse, pre-Flashpoint multiverse,DCnU multiverse, They are different multiverse. What does it mean?
Is it because of that Monitor Sphere dwarf them all? or Does it mean that Each Multiverse has Monitor Sphere(and Source Wall),and Monitors move between them?

The only time we've seen the monitor sphere or even a monitor/s, in the new 52, is in multiversity. According to the map the monitor sphere dwarfs everything, but theoretically hyperitme/ DC's quantum mechanics, extends across everything, we know from convergence that the pre-flashpoint realities exist outside time and space, its why braniac wants to get to vanishing point; so theoretically hypertime, and the overall cosmos should dwarf the monitor sphere, but again its all hypothesis.

I gotta say though, in every forum, including facebook, freaking facebook of all groups, and youtube, DC is extremely underrated, mrmaster helped clear marvels cosmology, we need someone to help clear DC's cosmology. Operator and Galan, you guys could easily pull it of.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I heard the mageddon is a new god tech, a universal threat, is that true?

No he is a semi-sentient weapon left over from the Old Gods.

Originally posted by kevdude
No he is a semi-sentient weapon left over from the Old Gods.

Is it the same one as the JLA world war 3 story arc one? how powerful is it?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
I heard the mageddon is a new god tech, a universal threat, is that true? Potentially a universal threat, perhaps.

Anyway, Mageddon was created by the Old Gods of Urgrund, and used during their own Ragnarok. Its mere presence would amplify the hostilities of every sentient being on a planet, and turn them against one another--essentially, the planet's populace would destroy itself:
http://i.imgur.com/zqIgiSR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dHJ7gZO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tzYJ4yA.jpg

Bio:
http://i.imgur.com/77ffQws.jpg

It was basically a global ALE-generator.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Operator and Galan, you guys could easily pull it of. Probably. My issue, however, is devoting that much time to the forum--it's a rarity for me these days.

Originally posted by Galan007
Potentially a universal threat, perhaps.

Anyway, Mageddon was created by the Old Gods of Urgrund, and used during their own Ragnarok. Its mere presence would amplify the hostilities of every sentient being on a planet, and turn them against one another--essentially, the planet's populace would destroy itself:
http://i.imgur.com/zqIgiSR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dHJ7gZO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tzYJ4yA.jpg

Bio:
http://i.imgur.com/77ffQws.jpg

It was basically a global ALE-generator.

Probably. My issue, however, is devoting that much time to the forum--it's a rarity for me these days.

Im compiling as much from DC as i can, i sorted them out in albums per character, per era, my imgur profile, i could easily hand you my imgur account, you could continue to add one character/ artifact per day (which should take atleast 5 minutes, im slow and it takes me 5 mins), after you compile everything you can, i can open up the thread and add everything from imgur. Spending 30 minutes perday would lead to atleast 63 characters per week..........sounds simple right?

Thanks for the mageddon scan Galan........im hoping i can come to you whenever i need help?

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Im compiling as much from DC as i can, i sorted them out in albums per character, per era, my imgur profile, i could easily hand you my imgur account, you could continue to add one character/ artifact per day (which should take atleast 5 minutes, im slow and it takes me 5 mins), after you compile everything you can, i can open up the thread and add everything from imgur. Spending 30 minutes perday would lead to atleast 63 characters per week..........sounds simple right? Tbh, it's just not a commitment I can make.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Thanks for the mageddon scan Galan........im hoping i can come to you whenever i need help? Sure.

I don`t see how it would be an omniverse,as that would include everything.

If Galan was a real alpha, he would quit his work, leave his family and do it.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
The only time we've seen the monitor sphere or even a monitor/s, in the new 52, is in multiversity. According to the map the monitor sphere dwarfs everything, but theoretically hyperitme/ DC's quantum mechanics, extends across everything, we know from convergence that the pre-flashpoint realities exist outside time and space, its why braniac wants to get to vanishing point; so theoretically hypertime, and the overall cosmos should dwarf the monitor sphere, but again its all hypothesis.
So Do yo think that each multiverse has Monitor Sphere and Monitors move between them?

Originally posted by Galan007
Tbh, it's just not a commitment I can make.

Sure.

Alright, its fine, ive already compiled 70+characters, ive compiled everything regarding DC's cosmology, alongside its references, and i added your hypertime scans too, if you do plan on making an extensive DC thread, ive made more than half the job easy for you

Awesome, im your customer and you're the dealer
Thanks though, much appreciated.

Originally posted by zom1967
I don`t see how it would be an omniverse,as that would include everything.

Whats your definition of an omniverse?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
If Galan was a real alpha, he would quit his work, leave his family and do it.

WOW

Originally posted by CatL18
So Do yo think that each multiverse has Monitor Sphere and Monitors move between them?

Na, that would be way to contradictory, convuluted and confusing, though i do think that the new gods of the new 52 are different to the new gods of the pre-flashpoint/crisis new gods.

Originally posted by VastoLord1234
Na, that would be way to contradictory, convuluted and confusing, though i do think that the new gods of the new 52 are different to the new gods of the pre-flashpoint/crisis new gods.
Thanks
I thought each multiverse has orrery of worlds and Sphere of God, and Limbo and Monitor Sphere dwarf them.
But it is only hypothesis too. So We should wait for Convergence.

Originally posted by CatL18
Thanks
I thought each multiverse has orrery of worlds and Sphere of God, and Limbo and Monitor Sphere dwarf them.
But it is only hypothesis too. So We should wait for Convergence.

The pre-flashpoint and the pre-crisis new gods are the same, so they likely shared the same continuity.

Speaking of which, didn't Dan DiDio say that DC effectively abandoned the concept of Hypertime just recently? (Source,) and even before that I recall Mr Master posting an interview where Dan DiDio said it wouldn't be used in future titles.

If you plan to make and maintain a DC cosmology thread like Mr Master did for Marvel, then you'll have to address those statements. You can't just compile the scans and author statements that you like to infer one model and then ignore the scans and statements that contradicts that model.

Originally posted by Astner
Speaking of which, didn't Dan DiDio say that DC effectively abandoned the concept of Hypertime just recently? (Source,) and even before that I recall Mr Master posting an interview where Dan DiDio said it wouldn't be used in future titles.

If you plan to make and maintain a DC cosmology thread like Mr Master did for Marvel, then you'll have to address those statements. You can't just compile the scans and author statements that you like to infer one model and then ignore the scans and statements that contradicts that model.

I do have all the counter-arguments and the arguments against, via source, heck right now in this thread, we all just solved the 52 universe problem; but i had no idea that didio said that about hypertime, do you have a link?

A book created from the shadow of the destiny's true book
was said to have the power to control and destroy all the known and unknown universes and all of space and time in the creation

https://i.imgur.com/26yKFeQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IiD0etO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CjFXqJX.jpg
https://imgur.com/vAlfKT3