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I'm kind of bored.

Figured I'd see how you all play connect the dots around here, given I would like to decisively suggest Traya's above Nyriss, but available data sort of has me viewing them as interchangeable in terms of raw power at least if nothing else.

Kind of annoying given Traya's superior character.

Make the battlefield Raxus Prime, because why not?

Traya one shots.

Funny you just made that, I just repolished by Darth Nyriss Respect Thread:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nyriss-respect-thread/95301/ (click link to experience)
I give Darth Traya an edge on Malachor IV, but Darth Nyriss an edge on neutral grounds.
Also, make it in the rules Darth Traya can't use Force Drain since members take it as auto-win.

Originally posted by Trocity
Traya one shots.

I see the one line posters are an omnipresent plague where ever I post :maybe

I appreciate activity, but maybe some substance would be appreciated?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Funny you just made that, I just repolished by Darth Nyriss Respect Thread:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nyriss-respect-thread/95301/ (click link to experience)
I give Darth Traya an edge on Malachor IV, but Darth Nyriss an edge on neutral grounds.
Also, make it in the rules Darth Traya can't use Force Drain since members take it as auto-win.

I'll take a look later, beats GRE prep...

Curious, but what about a location would make someone more able to draw upon the power of a given nexus? The energy is kind of there for everyone to sponge off of.

Why do they take it as an auto win? As far as I can tell, rate of consumption is kind of an issue if the target of the attack has deep reserves to draw from?

Or would they suggest Traya could instantly sap someone like Goku at the end of the Buu Arc of his power despite possessing more than enough to blow up planets?

Have they never heard of the derivative logical fallacy "no limits fallacy"?

Yes, I note my example is extreme, Nyriss doesn't feasibly possess that kind of stamina anyway, but I'm curious as for WHY its an instant win.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123

Curious, but what about a location would make someone more able to draw upon the power of a given nexus? The energy is kind of there for everyone to sponge off of.
What do you mean (can you reword it so I get what you are saying )?

Why do they take it as an auto win? As far as I can tell, rate of consumption is kind of an issue if the target of the attack has deep reserves to draw from?

Or would they suggest Traya could instantly sap someone like Goku at the end of the Buu Arc of his power despite possessing more than enough to blow up planets?

Have they never heard of the derivative logical fallacy "no limits fallacy"?

Yes, I note my example is extreme, Nyriss doesn't feasibly possess that kind of stamina anyway, but I'm curious as for WHY its an instant win.
*motions to the Jedi Council drain*

He's asking why Malachor would boost Traya more than Nyriss.

Ah okay, thanks mother. It wouldn't, and sorry for not being more specific, that's not what I meant...
I meant Darth Traya as represented on Malachor IV (aka including her feats) should beat Darth Nyriss with much difficulty.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
What do you mean?

Why would Nyriss be any less efficient at drawing on the energy of Malachor's nexus than Traya?



Impressive

Fails to actually address my stance though

That council's best show of energy was stasising Surik before her final power up

Traya's already established as having more power than peak Surik (namely the ***** that stood on Nathema and killed the Greater Storm beast of a species of creatures that barely survived the first activation of the MSG).

What about this council gives them the reserves of force energy to withstand her force drain for prolonged periods?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ah okay, thanks mother. It wouldn't, and sorry for not being more specific, that's not what I meant...
I meant Darth Traya as represented on Malachor IV (aka including her feats) should beat Darth Nyriss with much difficulty.

I tend to think in joules when judging feats, so I might be missing why you all consider her showings on Malachor more impressive than what we know she gets from powerscaling from Surik's raw stats anyway :hmm

Nothing particularly trumps resisting sub-atomic destruction on Nathema or killing the Storm Beast as far as raw power goes, the rest is a bunch of powerscaling.

Speaking of, your Nyriss thread's missing the fact she an Scourge stood on Nathema.

EDIT - what epithets does this forum sensor? Seems b itch is one, but what are the others I should be aware of?

I'm kind of crass, don't want to needlessly throw around words that could screw me over with mods or whatever now :hmm

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I can't speak in behalf of the people who believe Darth Traya can do her Force Drain to anyone instantly, so I won't because maybe I am misunderstanding them. From what I gathered, they consider Darth Traya instantly draining the Jedi Council (each with more feats then stasising Surik, actually) somehow gives ample proof she can do it to say... Malak. Hopefully someone who supports the motion can help clarify their fallacious ideas. I will mention however you are vastly underrating Surik if you consider the two you listed her best feats (as you seen, I don't care much for the Nathema stuff, even if it is cool), and hopefully Selenial can jump in and start spamming some of her better feats. Namely her biggest one is fighting through "legions" of Sith Assassins in a world as corrupted as Malachor V. The circumstances behind such a fight somewhat take away the impressiveness when comparing it the Star Forge slaughter or other accomplishments, but none can simply deny the existence of all the dead corpses in what remains of the Trayus Academy.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
EDIT - what epithets does this forum sensor? Seems b itch is one, but what are the others I should be aware of?

I'm kind of crass, don't want to needlessly throw around words that could screw me over with mods or whatever now :hmm
Meh, the mods are extremely laid back here. You can do everything short of saying "Bane dies" or creating an Islamic cult.

Kinda like no one can deny how Nyriss made Surik her personal *****.

I'd consider both Traya and Nyriss a ways more powerful than her. As for this fight, Nyriss definitely has the better combat feats, but Traya seems to be more powerful--I'm inclined to side with her, if only because of the implications of how powerful the Entity was.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

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I can't speak in behalf of the people who believe Darth Traya can do her Force Drain to anyone instantly, so I won't because maybe I am misunderstanding them. From what I gathered, they consider Darth Traya instantly draining the Jedi Council (each with more feats then stasising Surik, actually) somehow gives ample proof she can do it to say... Malak. Hopefully someone who supports the motion can help clarify their fallacious ideas. I will mention however you are vastly underrating Surik if you consider the two you listed her best feats (as you seen, I don't care much for the Nathema stuff, even if it is cool), and hopefully Selenial can jump in and start spamming some of her better feats. Namely her biggest one is fighting through "legions" of Sith Assassins in a world as corrupted as Malachor V. The circumstances behind such a fight somewhat take away the impressiveness when comparing it the Star Forge slaughter or other accomplishments, but none can simply deny the existence of all the dead corpses in what remains of the Trayus Academy.

They have more feats, but as far as raw power goes, it's the only one that shows they have more or comparable to Surik at that time. She gets her better feats later on after her last power up.

Hopefully they'll explain though, because this interpretation of the attack without support seems like a giant joke :hmm

Nah, I imagine I overrate them by your board's standards.

Bear in mind, to sub-atomically destroy a human sized amount of carbon, you're talking megatons of energy. The energy a given storm beast had to tank upon Malachor's destruction is well above megatons at the low end of the spectrum too. If you work with the fact the planet flew apart at sub-relativistic speeds, you're talking high gigatons to a teraton or 2.

Like I said, I think in joules. High school physics being how I figure shit out.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
They have more feats, but as far as raw power goes, it's the only one that shows they have more or comparable to Surik at that time. She gets her better feats later on after her last power up.

Hopefully they'll explain though, because this interpretation of the attack without support seems like a giant joke :hmm

Nah, I imagine I overrate them by your board's standards.

Bear in mind, to sub-atomically destroy a human sized amount of carbon, you're talking megatons of energy. The energy a given storm beast had to tank upon Malachor's destruction is well above megatons at the low end of the spectrum too. If you work with the fact the planet flew apart at sub-relativistic speeds, you're talking high gigatons to a teraton or 2.

Like I said, I think in joules. High school physics being how I figure shit out.
I'm not sure science laws apply to Star Wars: especially works like TSL, but still a very interesting point. However I recall the beasts survived by hiding deep within Malachor IV's surface.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm not sure science laws apply to Star Wars: especially works like TSL, but still a very interesting point. However I recall the beasts survived by hiding deep within Malachor IV's surface.

Then how do you determine who's feats are more impressive?

Without science for comparison, you're just subjectively judging shit with your own biased views with little basis for any real comparison.

I don't pretend fiction anywhere is consistent with all or much of physics, but what we can use of it is what we use to determine what is and isn't powerful (TK and Force Lightning feats come to mind)

And fluff would have likely clarified if the species all went underground to survive, so per laws of parsimony, I'm going to work with the premise they tanked it much like anything else had to (its less assumption to assume they survived where ever they might have been as opposed to miraculously being underground when shit hit the fan with no warning).

Traya states that there's no defense against the technique, hence the concept that Nyriss is quite defenceless against her.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Then how do you determine who's feats are more impressive?
We compare character's feats to the ones they are put against:

Character A can bring down a building but cannot bring down a mountain.
Character B can bring down a building and a mountain.
Character C can bring down a ceiling and a wall.

Character B is hence the more powerful character.

Ant it's Malachor V not Malachor IV, learn Roman numerals honey.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We compare character's feats to the ones they are put against:

Character A can bring down a building but cannot bring down a mountain.
Character B can bring down a building and a mountain.
Character C can bring down a ceiling and a wall.

Character A is hence the more powerful character.

Uh, ya sure about that?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We compare character's feats to the ones they are put against:

Character A can bring down a building but cannot bring down a mountain.
Character B can bring down a building and a mountain.
Character C can bring down a ceiling and a wall.

Character A is hence the more powerful character.

That makes about as much sense as 90% of your Revan arguments, indeed.

Typos are fun.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Traya states that there's no defense against the technique, hence the concept that Nyriss is quite defenceless against her.

Am I saying it won't effect her?

Hell, am I even referencing drain in relation to her?

Try reading my posts over while I'm at dinner :maybe

I'll be back in a bit.

Originally posted by Selenial
Ant it's Malachor V not Malachor IV, learn Roman numerals honey.
I knew that, trust me. Today hasn't been a strong day for me. I knew it looked goofy writing IV today. Every other day of my life I wrote V, I promise.

Edited. In reference to my previous 'typo', I was merely expressing the logic of Nephthys. I see now it is best to represent the majority. All is good.
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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
We compare character's feats to the ones they are put against:

Character A can bring down a building but cannot bring down a mountain.
Character B can bring down a building and a mountain.
Character C can bring down a ceiling and a wall.

Character A is hence the more powerful character.

And without joules, why is any of that any more impressive than the other?

What if the wall was reduced to vapor, yet the building was only large chunks of rubble? Which is more impressive then?

Why is tugging a mass of an ISD more impressive than tugging an X-wing?

I can levitate Australia with a kiloton so long as it's moving at the speed of continental drift and all.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Edited. In reference to my previous 'typo', I was merely expressing the logic of Nephthys. I see now it is best to represent the majority. All is good.

Nice save.

Note: You know you spend too much time debating Star Wars when your phone corrects "Sava" to "Savage" not "Save"

Originally posted by Selenial
Nice save.
I take pride.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
And without joules, why is any of that any more impressive than the other?

What if the wall was reduced to vapor, yet the building was only large chunks of rubble? Which is more impressive then?

Why is tugging a mass of an ISD more impressive than tugging an X-wing?

I can levitate Australia with a kiloton so long as it's moving at the speed of continental drift and all.
Then we take into consideration the circumstances, and if we are unsure, we debate about it until we hopefully reach a conclusion by explaining why A is better then B by using canonical sources (in Star Wars, of course) or using other feats and comparing them again.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Am I saying it won't effect her?

Hell, am I even referencing drain in relation to her?

Try reading my posts over while I'm at dinner :maybe

I'll be back in a bit.

I don't actually care.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't actually care.
? The dude was being nice, what's your problem now?

Um, sorry but I don't care?

We are here for you.
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jk, love you broski.

I'm 24. I'm sure you might find that useful since you are like a baby person but I think I know how to deal with a period by now.

I use it once a month. I made a pocket-size version so I never forget.

You get your first period once a month?

Ok..... freak. crackers

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't actually care.

That's a good attitude with this silly hobby, yes :maybe

Still kind of against the spirit of posting though

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I take pride.


Then we take into consideration the circumstances, and if we are unsure, we debate about it until we hopefully reach a conclusion by explaining why A is better then B by using canonical sources (in Star Wars, of course) or using other feats and comparing them again.

That's kind of a non answer

To explain why one or the other is more impressive, you need a standard basis for comparison

Communal consensus is great, but by this method no conclusion you all will reach will have any meaning if you were to try posting elsewhere in theory, because you may or may not have common grounds to judge shit.

Pro tip, if you're young enough that it's your first, never ask a friend. Ever.

That's so unbelievably stupid.

Originally posted by Selenial
Pro tip, if you're young enough that it's your first, never ask a friend. Ever.

That's so unbelievably stupid.
Pro tip from a dude: always ask your friend.

Derailed as this has become, this is still more amusing than GRE prep

I kinda wanna go with Darth Nyriss since she along with TOR Sith have direct training from Ancient Sith sources and Traya thinks she's meh compared to the Ancients.