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So who would win in a pure fist fight between these two? Machamp is said to be strong enough to move a mountain with 1 arm, and he has 4. He was also stated to be able to throw 500 punches in one second. Does he stand a chance against Goku at Super Saiyan level 2?

500 punches per second is only supersonic, SSJ2 Goku is in the Mach quad digits

As for strength, well the best feat for SSJ2 tier chars was town level IIRC, meh

Machamp GG

How do you get 1000+ Mach?

Outflying/reacting to ki blasts in the Cell Saga that could reach orbit in seconds and all that fun shit

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Outflying/reacting to ki blasts in the Cell Saga that could reach orbit in seconds and all that fun shit

So are you saying that Machamp wouldn't be able to even hit him? Is that the deal here? 500 punches per second is fast. That's 5000 punches in 10 seconds. Not sure if you realize this, but that's insane.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Outflying/reacting to ki blasts in the Cell Saga that could reach orbit in seconds and all that fun shit videl & hercule have dodged Ki blasts... They are insanely inconsistent.

Originally posted by Stoic
So are you saying that Machamp wouldn't be able to even hit him? Is that the deal here? 500 punches per second is fast. That's 5000 punches in 10 seconds. Not sure if you realize this, but that's insane.

500 punches per second is only Mach 2 or something, so yes, Goku is OoM's faster



Low end showings do not count as valid evidence

Originally posted by StealthRanger
500 punches per second is only Mach 2 or something,
Machamp has four arms, that's 125 punches per second per arm. How did you get that to mach 2?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Low end showings do not count as valid evidence yes they do...

Only an insanely biased person only takes the best feats and pretends it's an average.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
yes they do...

No they don't, they're inaccurate to any character's portrayal



Considering that a hell of alot of anime/manga series are typically defined off a few (or even single) feat, this stance is hypocritical, and is pretty much why a vast majority of debating boards go with the more impressive feats over the delusion of being able to get a "mean" or "average" power level, it simply doesn't work that way

Originally posted by pym-ftw
yes they do...

Only an insanely biased person only takes the best feats and pretends it's an average.
SR is extremely biased.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
No they don't, they're inaccurate to any character's portrayal

Considering that a hell of alot of anime/manga series are typically defined off a few (or even single) feat, this stance is hypocritical, and is pretty much why a vast majority of debating boards go with the more impressive feats over the delusion of being able to get a "mean" or "average" power level, it simply doesn't work that way either yor lying or retarded... It's not some one off thing, characters have been dodging Ki as far back as dragonball. If you go 1v1 with feats the low side has it in spades.

It's the forum rule we use averages... If you don't like it, well tough tamale.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
either yor lying or retarded... It's not some one off thing, characters have been dodging Ki as far back as dragonball.

How has this any relevance to what I said? Humans dodging it does not override ****ing feats of going into orbit in seconds, or Gotenks' feat in the Buu Saga, Mr Satan is a gag character anyways



Yeah, no shit sherlock

Hence why most boards go with the most impressive feats because it grants you a clearer picture of things, if only because what is "average" can be very subjective and lead to varying interpretations of a character/verse's abilities

Hell, Saitama from OPM punched out a meteor, or would you claim that only happened once (and every single punch he ever threw didn't produce ****huge blastwaves that cleaned areas the size of a decent portion western Europe) therefore it's not allowed?

To say nothing of the fact that most things in fiction are unquantifiable



Show me the rule for this or get out

Refer to above "averages are subjective and lead to varying interpretations" point

Vs debating has always been about taking the best feats and assuming them to be definitive

Wanna nitpick every little thing and go with a true mean? We'd get shit like city block skyfathers, building level DBZ, etc

Just for some perspective

Bleach went for most of the decade before it got a quantifiably hypersonic speed feat

It took 580 chapters to get another one. Yet we consider most of the verse scaleable to said feats because of matching/exceeding the performance of the character calc'd to such a level

We have the rules stickied in every forum... I guess your the latter.

Literally nothing you guys have said matters. In the Anime forum, we use the anime versions(or manga) and in the anime Machamp has been one shotted by bubbles.

While this is in the wrong forum anyway, if you wanna use the game version I suggest asking a mod to move the thread.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
We have the rules stickied in every forum... I guess your the latter.

Just looked it up and ctrl+f'd average, saw nothing saying "average showings only"

Also refer to previous "average can lead to subjectivity and a shitload of varying interpretations" point

And by shit like "averages" and "consistency" we generally refer to shit that's on the higher end of the spectrum, is repeated, but isn't Spiderman vs Firelord type shit. Like I said if we were to nitpick every tiny thing and go with actual averages we'd only get low end superhuman shit for characters who can bust up planets and move at relativistic speeds. Shit like that makes me sneer in contempt at people who do the "average showings only!" shit

And besides, it wouldn't be a fictional first for a character/whole verse being scaled to and/or defined (powerwise, ofc) by a few (or even single) feat/s, you know

Goku has no chance here.

Truly he is unable to replicate the power of bubbles.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Truly he is unable to replicate the power of bubbles.

That was a level 28 Machamp. Hardly the cream of the crop since he was traded as soon as he evolved. And that Squirtle was at least a level 73. Ash always presses "B" when Squirtle tried to evolved.

And it was a Bubblebeam. Bubblebeam is a pretty powerful attack. Misty only gives away uber water attacks at her gym.

General Tao wins, since he can throw pillar 2300 km in 15 mins

Is anyone forgetting that Goku in DB threw a mountain sized Piccolo? Or that Goku in DBZ has batted away planet busting attacks with a flick? The amount of force required to bust a planet makes a mountain push look like a single amoeba compared to an ocean.

Goku can bat those away in base form.

He also is ludicrously FTL, being 77,000 times FTL in travel speed on Namek in base form. I can prove it to you all for the hundredth time, if you'd like.

The maker of this thread should perform Sepuku.

Goku isn't FTL

Doesn't need to be in this thread.

Machamp already wins......

Goku stomps... lol

Machamp is only low end supersonic

Machamp solos.

Well yes if Machamp were to win then he'd do it by himself as he has no help.

Machamp has no durability feats and his speed is simply not enough to stop Goku. He is stronger(according to a non anime source) but his feats are lacking in pretty much every regard.

So I guess Goku soloes.