Architect - Neo conversation

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Architect: hello Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix I've been waiting for you.
You have many questions, and though the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human ergo some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not.
Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realise it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. you are the eventuallity of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden asciduously avoided it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you

Neo: You haven't answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting...that was quicker than the others.

(TV "Neo"s:
Others what others? answer my question!)

Architect: The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.

(Tv Neos:
5 ones before me? 4...3..2.. what are you talking about? There are only 2 possible explanations, either no one told me....)
Neo: ...or no one knows.

Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic--creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

(Tv Neos:
You can't contol me!
I'm gonna smash the wall
I'll fukkin kill you!

Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.

Cut to Trinity vs Agent.

Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art...flawless, sublime. And triumphed equally only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus. I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another--An intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its Mother.

Neo: The Oracle.

Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice...even if they were only awar e of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion.

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed--its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existance eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit
(TV Neos:

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured...this will be the 6th time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

Cut to Trinity vs Agent

Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you cary, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to selevt from the matrix 23 individuals--16 females, 7 male--to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility of the death of every human being on this world.
It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar predication--a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific--vis a

Neo: Trinity.

Architect: Appropos, she entered the matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own.

Neo: No...

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end.
There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the matrix, to her and to the end of your Species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you are going to do, don't we? Already, I can see the chain-reaction--the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason--an emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth...she is going to die, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Architect: Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

Architect: We won't.

Neo exits out of the left door.

this is one masive spoiler....and i don't see no spoiler tags. Besides..this is already posted somewhere.

well hopefully someone who hasnt seen the film could read the title of the thread and realize it is a big time spoiler, i hope.

Thanks for posting that.
Now can someone explain it pleasewink

Thanks mariosgr12 for that text. I saw the movie but had a hard time following that segment in the movie(English is not my first language) but none the less opened my eyes to understanding the matrix and its origin.

and why did we need to read the conversation between architect and neo?

because it is relevent to alot of the questions and theories people have been coming up with

oh right. the movie wasn't that hard to understand.

ya i dont think it was too hard either, but it has left the door wide open for what is going to happen next and that is what everyone is kind of trying to come up with.

I dont think it was hard to understand, but I did post this text earlier because I thought that scene was going by a little fast. I got some requests to dig up more so I posted a few other imprtant moments in another thread.

Bespin Bart
Who plays the architect?

Neo chose the left door so according to the architect this "will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix".

did the architect lie about this? if not, do we assume that this crash has already occurred prior to Revolution?

Why will a cataclysmic system crash occur? Is it a slow event or fast?

thanks man. its helps 2 understand d movie better since i lost track of wat he was saying midway:P

i think d matrix varies in complexity depending on wat u think of d movies. if u think its simple its simple but if u think 2 much abt it of cos u can find deeper meanings n themes tat even d wachowski brothers didnt meant it 2 b. apparently d first was alot more straight forward n its so simply becos no 1 knew tat d movie was gonna b such a big hit n if it flopped its a nice sort of ending. but d 2nd movie ends jus like back 2 d future 2 or 2 towers so u know 4 sure tats not d end but only LOR has been from d beginning 3 parts supposed 2 b in 1 n its a literature classic.

It would be a slow event. The Matrix has not been corrected in the way the Architect wants so therefore the anomaly will grow until the whole system crashes.

Why did he give Neo the option?

Why not just say, "off you go through the 'right' door".

The doors were only choices. I guess the whole thing falls apart if Neo doesn't choose what he wants.

What I meant to say was, why give the option to kill off everyone? It doesn't make me anyway.

Because Neo's love for Trinity means that he isn't actually interested in saving the human race. Selfish bastard. So in that sense the doors were a represenation of the dilemmas in his own mind, rather than a literal decision the Architect was presenting to him. Neo knew at that point he could either save humanity or try to save Trinity and I think that was so whether the Architect mentioned it or not. It is all getting rather conceptual at that stage

Strange he can't do both.

I agree that it is good to consult eachother about the released movies, but do you ever ponder that discussing the future of the 3rd instalment may spoil the experience like knowing the present before its received. perhaps this may explain some negative coments on the reloaded movie because you discussed it before it was released.

He can't do both because of time, Raz, remember? He only had five minutes to do his thing. He went to save Tritnity rather than enter the Source.

Would you say that the TV-images of Neo are earlier "incarnations" / versions of him?

Or are they only "projections" that the Architect are able to predict?

I mean, if the earlier "Neos" all look similar, then you can rule out that the french guy was an earlier version of Neo...

(It is hinted in another thread that the french guy was "Neo" in an earlier version of the Matrix.)

Ok... see a flaw with this theory... The french guy (or other versions of Neo) may have changed their appearance wink (if they are as powerful as Neo is)

This guys analysis of the conversation with the architect is right on. What do you think?

The Matrix Reloaded Decoded

I asumed all the screens were the Architect's analysis of Neo's thoughts, and all the many things he was considering as responses to each point (hence 'Bullshit' being his only possible response to Zion falling-as the Architect says, denial is predictable)

let us be reminded that choices have already been made and all neo has to do is to confirm the choice made. him saving trinity and seeming selfish may sound wrong to us, and he may not know why he went ahead to rescue trinity, but he's just living out the choice already made, unconciously. it's either there's a plausible explanation to all this, or the brothers have made a very bad movie, and we are basking in their supposed perfection because we beleive they could never make a flop movie.

Just because the things that made his mind up had already been decided does not excuse him from his action! The reason he went to save Trinity was pure selfishness born out of love. That is why the choice had already been made- that love already existed.

yeah i get it now but it doesnt matter does it? he can do whatever he wants now i guess? trinity died as part of the choice nade but he changed it all didnt he? so if the world gets destroyed, he can bring it all back right?

He's not God, you know.

but thats what they are making us think he is..he raised the dead!

But only ever of people who died in the Matrix. The body cannot live without the mind. The mind dies, the body dies. But Neo can re-make that mind in the Matrix, it seems.

But he could not ressurect someone who had been beheaded in real life for example.

yeah gotcha!

Esoterra - Yeah, there are some neat theories there! Especially on the evolution of programs... Little black boxes.

Ush - Yes, that could be it. (Architect interpreting Neo's thoughts.)


My thoughts too. It can't be previous versions, since Neo is the 6th version of the One (probably version 3.6 of the Matrix).

There IS a problem though...

Here's a quote from the earlier quote wink
---- BEGIN QUOTE ----
Tv Neos:
5 ones before me? 4...3..2.. what are you talking about? There are only 2 possible explanations, either no one told me....)
Neo: ...or no one knows.
---- END QUOTE ----

So, this WOULD seem to be earlier Neos... As they react differently (2 before me, 3 before me... etc.)

Can you explain this?

I will have to watch the scene again to be definitive.

Then he realized that the prophesy it wasnt real coz the other ones were supose to choose the door and then start another Zion with another prophecy belives

That was clever... big grin

Let me think.

Idea: a prediction / analysis program would be fed by historical data.

It makes sense for a program not to rule out any previous reaction from the One, although the chance of repetition is zero (we know this, but the program apparently not).

Keep in mind that all the other screens show different emotions...

Yes, and they were possibles reactions. but neos kept concentrated and decided for himself. Didnt u c when the others reactions came to the monitors, he came back to the present neo. Maybe the architect expected neos to react how hes belived neos gonna do. But Neos doesnt paid attention to the emotions that the architect wants him to do.

Did anyone see the spoof at the mtv movie awards 2003? ninja

been a long time ..
So, clearly the b'tard is lying to him. You would think Neo has that figured out - b'cause if they lied once.... This is like a major A.I. combat. I agree those are mindstates back there on the monitors. But I also agree that ALL THE ONE'S probably looked THE SAME - since it's just a reboot - making the Oracle's cursory exam a bit of an inside joke. FINALLY - the essential deal is he has to run off to save Trin - no time TO NEGOTIATE AN EARLY SETTLEMENT...! Right?

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