Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, features, and links.

Who wins?

Reeve's Superman. No one beats him.

Smallville wins.

Best strength feat with throwing the larger than Saturn planet. And much better "combat" speed feats, with everyone standing still to him when he uses his speed.

Of course Reeves has moved faster with the spinning the Earth around thing, but never came close to that kind of speed in a fight. Presumably because he can't control that kind of speed.

Reeve's version has on-demand powers.

Originally posted by Robtard
Reeve's version has on-demand powers.

Well that's true!

He could teleport, and form duplicates of himself when required.

LOL. This is a huge ass whooping in Reeve's Superman favor. Smallville Clark was good but, c'mon. Reeve's Superman was about as close to unbeatable as a character can get. He was based on pre-crisis Superman which is waaaaay above Smallville Clark.

Lol I thought this would be a better match.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. This is a huge ass whooping in Reeve's Superman favor. Smallville Clark was good but, c'mon. Reeve's Superman was about as close to unbeatable as a character can get. He was based on pre-crisis Superman which is waaaaay above Smallville Clark. Well, Smallville Clark was faster than light and could easily push away a Saturn sized planet hurdling towards Earth.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. This is a huge ass whooping in Reeve's Superman favor. Smallville Clark was good but, c'mon. Reeve's Superman was about as close to unbeatable as a character can get. He was based on pre-crisis Superman which is waaaaay above Smallville Clark.


Give us the feats bro, instead of just saying he's better.

Smallville Clark was hinted at as being Silver Age Supes.

SM was virtually omnicent with his speed. Adding in his final strength feat of throwing planets is above Reeves. However Reeves had genie powers so this is a hard one.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
SM was virtually omnicent with his speed. Adding in his final strength feat of throwing planets is above Reeves. However Reeves had genie powers so this is a hard one.




????



Reeve's Superman moved the moon without straining several times. In fact,I don't think I ever saw him straining to lift or move anything when he wasn't already weakened. Except for Smallville's Clark final feat anything Smallville Clark did is laughable compared to Reeve's SM feats. See no reason why Reeve's Supes couldn't easily replicate SC's feat since he never seemed to strain when lifting or moving things like the moon, the statue of Liberty, or repairing the San Adreas fault line (like to see SC do that). And speed? OMG, Reeve's Supes reversed time by flying at speeds that'd make SC green with envy.



Let's not forget either that Reeve's Supes was able to overpower 3 other Kryptonians (who were all well above SC) in the Fortress of Solitude and was also able to make multiple fake copies of himself and forced the villains to use threatening to kill Lois to make Superman release Zod. 99% of the villains that SC dealt with on Smallville were laughable compared to the 3 evil kryptonians or the Super villain Lex created in Superman 4. There were a few that weren't a joke but I still wouldn't rank them in the same category as the villains in Superman 2 and 4.



Durability is not close either, to say the least. Lost count how many times I saw Smallville Clark get knocked on his butt or hurt (even without weakness exploitation).


I really like Smallville Clark but Reeve's Superman is just on a higher level.

Tough one, but the "S" shield attack clearly puts this fight in Reeves favor

Originally posted by Star428
????



Reeve's Superman moved the moon without straining several times. In fact,I don't think I ever saw him straining to lift or move anything when he wasn't already weakened. Except for Smallville's Clark final feat anything Smallville Clark did is laughable compared to Reeve's SM feats. See no reason why Reeve's Supes couldn't easily replicate SC's feat since he never seemed to strain when lifting or moving things like the moon, the statue of Liberty, or repairing the San Adreas fault line (like to see SC do that). And speed? OMG, Reeve's Supes reversed time by flying at speeds that'd make SC green with envy.



Let's not forget either that Reeve's Supes was able to overpower 3 other Kryptonians (who were all well above SC) in the Fortress of Solitude and was also able to make multiple fake copies of himself and forced the villains to use threatening to kill Lois to make Superman release Zod. 99% of the villains that SC dealt with on Smallville were laughable compared to the 3 evil kryptonians or the Super villain Lex created in Superman 4. There were a few that weren't a joke but I still wouldn't rank them in the same category as the villains in Superman 2 and 4.



Durability is not close either, to say the least. Lost count how many times I saw Smallville Clark get knocked on his butt or hurt (even without weakness exploitation).


I really like Smallville Clark but Reeve's Superman is just on a higher level.

I agree I think Reeves would probably win due to his genie like powers, but adding in all 10 seasons of feats from Clark along with his final feats make him a contender which makes me think its a hard one. Reeves did turn back time with whatever power that was from flying, however Clarks land speed was just insane. He could be anywhere on the planet instantly.

Originally posted by Inhuman
Tough one, but the "S" shield attack clearly puts this fight in Reeves favor

Ok dickpods.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I agree I think Reeves would probably win due to his genie like powers, but adding in all 10 seasons of feats from Clark along with his final feats make him a contender which makes me think its a hard one. Reeves did turn back time with whatever power that was from flying, however Clarks land speed was just insane. He could be anywhere on the planet instantly.




Honestly, the only episode I can think of that would make him a contender is the very last one. Maybe I'm forgetting certain other episodes that make you believe he's a contender, TI. I do have all of them on blu-ray/dvd though so if u want to direct me to a certain one which shows him doing anything worthy of Reeve Supe's best feats it would be helpful.



I think you're also overrating his speed. He was extremely fast yes but I saw nothing to make me believe he was faster than Reeve Supes. Even if we're talking about running speed I still don't see it.



Have you seen the Richard Donner cut of Superman 2? In it, there was a scene where Lois thought for sure Clark was Superman and she wanted to prove it by jumping out of a window from her office floor. Her belief was that Clark would turn into Superman and save her because she knew he'd never let her die. So,when she jumped Clark zipped out of the office at superspeed (just like Smallville Clark does so often) and ran down to street and got there while Lois was still falling. He then used Superbreath to cushion her fall and thus he was able to save her without proving her right that he was, in fact, Superman. The point though is that he seemed every bit as fast as Smallville Clark. I never saw Clark in Smallville have the ability to be anywhere on Earth "instantly" as you say. He was very fast but so was Reeve's Superman. I think running speed is the only category where they MIGHT be equal or at least very close to equal.

Reeve Superman was so fast he was able to go on two dates at once

Yep. That too. There were also many other instances of him using superspeed like that off camera.

Originally posted by Star428




I think you're also overrating his speed. He was extremely fast yes but I saw nothing to make me believe he was faster than Reeve Supes. Even if we're talking about running speed I still don't see it.


Really? Because I seem to recall him failing to catch 2 nuclear missiles. He could only stop 1 simply because he wasn't fast enough to do that.

The reversing time feat doesn't seem to be the sort of speed he can control in a combat scenario.

He also had trouble dodging missiles in Superman 3 (so this was a consistent thing). And the big missile even knocked him out.



Originally posted by Star428

Have you seen the Richard Donner cut of Superman 2? In it, there was a scene where Lois thought for sure Clark was Superman and she wanted to prove it by jumping out of a window from her office floor. Her belief was that Clark would turn into Superman and save her because she knew he'd never let her die. So,when she jumped Clark zipped out of the office at superspeed (just like Smallville Clark does so often) and ran down to street and got there while Lois was still falling. He then used Superbreath to cushion her fall and thus he was able to save her without proving her right that he was, in fact, Superman. The point though is that he seemed every bit as fast as Smallville Clark. I never saw Clark in Smallville have the ability to be anywhere on Earth "instantly" as you say. He was very fast but so was Reeve's Superman. I think running speed is the only category where they MIGHT be equal or at least very close to equal.


I've seen that. But it doesn't match Smallville Clark disappearing in the middle of a football match to save Chloe, then coming back, and no one even noticed him missing, or even vanishing for a second.


Smallville Superman had the superior strength and speed feats (except for the time reversal).

Reeve Superman however has the random abilities, like teleporting, and making duplicates of himself, shooting random lasers out of his fingers (well that was General Zod & Co).

WTF?! I thought you said you were putting me on "ignore" a while back. Changed your mind? LOL.

Originally posted by Star428
Honestly, the only episode I can think of that would make him a contender is the very last one. Maybe I'm forgetting certain other episodes that make you believe he's a contender, TI. I do have all of them on blu-ray/dvd though so if u want to direct me to a certain one which shows him doing anything worthy of Reeve Supe's best feats it would be helpful.



I think you're also overrating his speed. He was extremely fast yes but I saw nothing to make me believe he was faster than Reeve Supes. Even if we're talking about running speed I still don't see it.



Have you seen the Richard Donner cut of Superman 2? In it, there was a scene where Lois thought for sure Clark was Superman and she wanted to prove it by jumping out of a window from her office floor. Her belief was that Clark would turn into Superman and save her because she knew he'd never let her die. So,when she jumped Clark zipped out of the office at superspeed (just like Smallville Clark does so often) and ran down to street and got there while Lois was still falling. He then used Superbreath to cushion her fall and thus he was able to save her without proving her right that he was, in fact, Superman. The point though is that he seemed every bit as fast as Smallville Clark. I never saw Clark in Smallville have the ability to be anywhere on Earth "instantly" as you say. He was very fast but so was Reeve's Superman. I think running speed is the only category where they MIGHT be equal or at least very close to equal.

I prolly have forgotten most feats from the First 4 so I take your word for it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Really? Because I seem to recall him failing to catch 2 nuclear missiles. He could only stop 1 simply because he wasn't fast enough to do that.

The reversing time feat doesn't seem to be the sort of speed he can control in a combat scenario.

He also had trouble dodging missiles in Superman 3 (so this was a consistent thing). And the big missile even knocked him out.






I've seen that. But it doesn't match Smallville Clark disappearing in the middle of a football match to save Chloe, then coming back, and no one even noticed him missing, or even vanishing for a second.


Smallville Superman had the superior strength and speed feats (except for the time reversal).

Reeve Superman however has the random abilities, like teleporting, and making duplicates of himself, shooting random lasers out of his fingers (well that was General Zod & Co).

Zod shot lasers out of his fingers?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well that's true!

He could teleport, and form duplicates of himself when required.

-Bricklaying vision when he needed to rebuild the Great Wall of China

-Could talk Russian in space when he needed to talk to some cosmonauts

-Saran wrap chest attack when he needed to wrap-up another Kryptonian

-Step out of himself to fight his evil-side

-Somehow protect normal humans from the vacuum of space by holding them

-Memory erasing kiss (this might be in the older comics)

There's probably more that I can't recall off the top of my head right now

He also had telekinesis.

Like I said, he was based off of PC Superman. That's why we saw him doing all that extra stuff that isn't part of his normal powerset. In the comics, the writers were practically making up new powers for him on the fly to overcome enemies or difficult situations. Smallville Clark is just out of his league here. Similar speed of the two is only thing that makes this not a cakewalk and might allow SC to get 1 or 2 wins out of ten but I kinda doubt it.

Apokolips from the Smallville series wasnt all that big really, far from something the size of Saturn (which is MANY times bigger than the entire Earth).

Originally posted by DTM
Apokolips from the Smallville series wasnt all that big really, far from something the size of Saturn (which is MANY times bigger than the entire Earth). It was shown to be the size of Saturn in the show...

Reeves stomps. How can Smallville Clark hope to stop such an attack:

XiN0Lwvi7CA

Originally posted by Star428


WTF?! I thought you said you were putting me on "ignore" a while back. Changed your mind? LOL.


Who me?

Can't remember. But I've never put anyone on "ignore."

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Smallville wins.

Best strength feat with throwing the larger than Saturn planet. And much better "combat" speed feats, with everyone standing still to him when he uses his speed.

Of course Reeves has moved faster with the spinning the Earth around thing, but never came close to that kind of speed in a fight. Presumably because he can't control that kind of speed. In combat Reeve's move so fast you could not see him. This is in Superman II in his fortress when he fought Zod and his companions.

I do not remember all of Smallville feats. It was a long show but what particular feats are better than Reeve's feats?

Originally posted by Kotor3
In combat Reeve's move so fast you could not see him. This is in Superman II in his fortress when he fought Zod and his companions.

Nah that was teleportation.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not remember all of Smallville feats. It was a long show but what particular feats are better than Reeve's feats?

I've said he ran from a middle of a football game to save chloe, hit the bad guy, and back to the game, just as he was supposed to kick the ball.

No one noticed he was gone, or even saw a blurred image for a second. Nothing. And Lex was watching! He was always on the look out for something strange around Clark.

@Darth Thor
A few things:
I will look it up but where does it say that Superman teleported? Zod and his companions all did the same thing. I always saw it as him moving so fast he was not visible. If Superman could teleport then there would be no need for him to fly.

Next moving fast and dogging skills are not the same. Superman got caught off guard, he did not see the missile. Superman is not invulnerable. First I would not expect Superman to move at a certain speed while inside the earth since his ultimate speed feat cause a rift in space and time.

You also spoke of control of his speed. Well, Superman created the rift in space and time using not a spaceship, weapon or machine but his own body and powers (specifically speed). He not only created the rift he was able to control where in time and space he would enter. This shows he has ultimate control of his power of speed as we see shown in part of Superman where he is shown reversing time to a specific moment.

There is absolutely no reason to believe Reeve would lack control of his power of speed in combat. Instead, we would expect him to fight and use his powers as he did in his fight with Zod and his companions in the city, carefully and most likely holding back so as to minimize damage and not kill anyone.

Smallville Clark is up there in power. Remember when he vaporized all that water with heat vision at super speed? That is actually a pretty massive feat.

Then you have feats like him and Lana having sex(when Lana had Kryptonian powers) was shaking the entire town of Smallville.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AsdQ7diPPQ

It's at 1:30. Forgive the terrible music though, might want to turn that off.

Surtur this is better, some better feats and music too
Cheers
FL1Q4cPOJtg

Reeves is awesome, but Smallville stomps

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Surtur this is better, some better feats and music too
Cheers
FL1Q4cPOJtg

Extremely impressive speed feats, but not more impressive than flying so fast it results in time-travel.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Reeves is awesome, but Smallville stomps




In Bizarro world maybe.

Both would stomp the MCU avengers

Damn, now this is the post I wanted retracted.

Post Retracted