KMC Tournament - DarkSaint vs beatboks

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Power Level & Format: 2-character amalgam. Low Herald each.

Post Limit: 5

CIS & PIS is OFF!: We are drafting 2 characters, and its abilities. You the participant take ownership of how said characters & abilities will be realized in combat.

Character Knowledge: Contestants are fully aware the characters drafted, including its history, and weaknesses.
Also the Amalgam can use powers as good as the originals.

Amping Rules: Disallowed. Materials that aid a power (i.e. Jeffries/adamantium) are allowed. Power amping is not (i.e. The Ray + Kara)

Note: Amping is a state of empowerment fueled by some source source, that increases a characters physical prowess or ability.

Tech Creation & Non-Autonomous Constructs/Summons: Low Herald limit.

No you can not summon an entire realm or dimension.

You are in control of the character, but you are also confined to what that character has accomplished historically.

You can't borrow feats from someone else, even if your similar characters.

X-Man can not Borrow Feats Cable.
G.L. Hal can not Borrow Feats from G.L. John.

Prep: You are given time to raise shields. Otherwise NO prep time.

Creating gear can only take place in the heat of battle, after the bell has rung.

TP: Low Herald

Speed: Up to lightspeed.

Banned Powers: Reality Warp, Time Manip., Duplication, Power Copying, Autonomous Constructs (tech or magic), Memory Retention

Note: Space Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, and the Speed Force is allowed provided that the drafted characters are low herald and below.

Functional Immortals are Banned: Functional immortals such as Lobo, Mr. Immortal, Deadpool are disallowed or voided.

Standard Gear Rule Character comes in with what he is historically known for caring.

Non standard gear must be created you NOT grab it from your lab, and equip yourself with it.

BFR BFR is banned.

Self BFR is only good for phasing.

Good for 1 second.


Date: July 15 - July 29
DarkSaint vs beatboks
DarkSaint: Winter & Mortal Hercules
beatboks: Arion & Animal Man
Location: Earth - Roman Colosseum
Judges: Bentley, Digi, quanchi112


beatboks: Arion & Animal Man

So only prep allowed is to throw up shield, Obviously I'm doing that before entering the battlefield

Once on the battlefield using Arion's illusions i will create an image of myself in my current position as I use his ability to dimensionally travel with magic to a secluded place on the battlefield where I will also create a concealment spell to hide me. I will further cast a spell that makes another illusion of me appear elsewhere on the battlefield any time my adversary starts to realize it's an illusion he's going after.

During the teleportation I will maintain the shield around the illusion while erecting a new one around my true location.
Here we see Arion maintaining a shield around part of Atlantis under attack while also fighting several others. Showing he can have shields elsewhere while using his magic on another task.

While Hidden I will use the spell of Ra (equivalent to using Strange's eye of Agmotto or Fate's Orb) to learn all I can about my adversary.
I will Simultaneously use Animal man's powers to stack animal powers to make myself as strong, fast and durable as the limits of the tourney will allow. I will also increase mu reaction time by altering relative time rate and gain Shape shifting power from a Protien as well as the power to control my mass, emit sonic attacks, and energy attacks. All my five senses will also be increased to the maximum as well as regeneration
Here in Rotworld with access to most of the animals he'd use for speed denied because they simply don't exist he can still make himself fast enough to come close to a weakened Flash. This is stacking the powers of creatures NOT known for speed.
Here he alters his respective time rate to make his reactions "10 times". He didn't even choose the animal with she shortest life span.
Mass control

Using Arion's magic I will alter my sword (Arion's only standard gear aside from his chest gem) to become the most durable metal that exists.

Arion's magic will summon the dimensional serpent like entity that he used once against a wizard Conqueror to attack my adversary.

I will also set all the elements against my adversary
I'll also be using the second tactic in that scan to dull my opponents attack.
Not mind wipe per se, just to make them slow their attack as my adversary in this doesn't have a "primitive mind" like these beasts.

Before I attack I will conjure a few more illusions to attack and distract my foe.

Another dimensional hop behind my opponent I will employ the sword skills of Arion to sever limbs of Darksaint (one of the things Hec has trouble healing from) with my indestructible sword wielded by herald level strength and near light speed and by a master swordsman.
Arion literally became master of the sword in only two lessons. he was a natural swordsman and as shown her could fight even without sight. There are other scans of him before this training matching and beating trained warriors after only having watched Wynde and Chian fight.

Combining my strength, speed, skill with the ability to vastly increase my mass (as well as that of my sword) I can achieve a highly "IMS" In this case the I stands for increased not Infinite and the S instead of P stands for strike not punch. An indestructible sword striking my opponent at near light speed with the mass of said strike vastly increased will have little to no problem severing all my opponents limbs in my opening attack.

This will be while my opponent is busy fighting the elements, dimensional serpents, multiple illusions of me attacking him.

He literally won't know what hit him and with the Eyeof Ra Spell, I'll no exactly where to amke teh most devastating strikes.

Post 1

Beautiful, just as anticipated my opponent has prepare dfor completely the wrong type of attack. Expecting that I would attack with magical spells, and magical energy attacks that he could turn back in me.

What a shame I am not foolish enough to have made such attacks against someone who could use them against me. All he has is a protective field protecting an illusion that he would send against the illusion. Or illusions that cannot harm but only distract and occupy him so when absorbed and sent back are of no harm to me.

Seriously relying on invisibility and thinking that somehow prevent me from targeting him? If only I were limited to mere sight as a means of sense. Does my opponent forget that with animal mans powers I have and can stack the senses of the entire animal kingdom, throughout I might add the entire universe??

How does invisibility protect you from the radar sense of a bat, the smell you will give off that a dog (not to mention several animals with far greater sense of smell) can detect. Does his heart stop beating ?? With the stacked hearing senses I will have with animalmans powers my hearing will make Daredevil look deaf as well as blind.

Darksaint's own scans prove that his invisibility doesnt protect him from the senses other than sight or Shaw would not have struck him. It wont matter how stealthy you are when I can hear you sweat or you hear beating from miles away. Can smell the faintest scent you give off, can boumce sound waves off your physical form and know your exact position from them.

What does this mean, it means you will be ckmpletely and utterly surprised and unprepared whe I disect you into a dozen pieces because you would not even know I can find you. When I originally sent my write up to Id I was going to make the sword admantium, I decided instead to just say the most durable metal so I had room to play/ alter based on the attack (thinking about the energy attacks of Winter). I'm glad I did because the sword will be an alloy, made of admantium, vibrainium, nth metal and promethium. The durability of admantium and vibrainium will ensure it can cut through anything, the ability of promethium, Nth, and vibrainium to absorb energy and disperse it will mean the inly defense you could have against it (even if you were capable of reacting to my speed and my completely unexpectedly accurate attack) in Winter'sWinter's energy blasts will be all but nought.

End thread, I won before the battle began. I have destroyed you the instant I attacked and you had no means to defend yourself



posting for fouled image links (as best I remember)

Burned out power first time

Weaved to many colored threads 1
Then again towards the end of his run. Warned not again
Multiple magic effect at once
split magic several ways senses danger and to is source
Repost of the one from opener where he sensed danger (page 9)
two pages of story later having flown to it
not even sure why I loaded this one

Animal man
tags flash showing reaction increased with speed
Universal animal link
reconnected with all
I think that was it


long pig
Reading it all

Post 3.1

So let me guess, the plan is to keep pushing the same argument that has been proven flawed and hope that the judges just forget the flaws??

Doubtless with the sun gem your referring to things like this
During his sun powered era the Gem was bright when his power was high and dark when it wasn't. Once he completely expended his stellar driven energy to stop the ice age that was no longer the case.
As I said, all he has is his life force which is all the stone truly is
His sun gem stone was the "ball of crimson life energy" that is Arion.
For proof
See how bright and red the "Sun Gem" looks here. In the very same panel that states he's lost his power.

So post the loosing of his stellar connection, no more power than any normal human from it.

Even if there were any real energy "within" Arion as part of my build you wouldn't see it
Only the second sight of a sorcerer can see the many colored threads that are Arion's power. Please show me when Winter exhibited such a second sight??
as for heat in illusions
Animals are instinctual, they would not have flown from an illusion of fire without heat.
Granted the illusions he casts when he is completely depowered (no many colored threads etc) are quite wanting and were stated to not. I didn't come into a low herald match with him at street level/low meta status.
So I don't have any energy for you to sense. Even if I did it is a type that can only bee seen by the second sight of magic.

All of which is forgetting the fact that i said my very first move before teleporting is a concealment spell. my energy would be concealed from you

So you wont sense me.

Oh, you'll GIVE me the power I drafted will you. There are so many powers that Animal man gives that I really don't think you have a concept of what I'm capable of.

By taking on the power of a protien, I became a shape shifter. or How about
Here, by using the M-field power that is Bwanna Beast's Baddy alters his white blood cells. You talk about Winter absorbing energy and healing himself, How does he manage this when I merge say you white blood cells with the most dangerous virus' or bacteria in existence??? Effectively turning any healing factor into sure death.

I could also take another line with this.
Buddy being the animal rights activist he is would never do this, But I am not so bound. I could turn this power to ramp up the killer instincts of every animal and bird for miles and have them attack you.

Other attacks open to me.
Create a narcotic fog to put you to sleep.
Bind you in "Deedra's chains " (Arion's equivalent of the crimson bands of Cyttorak, even when Garn was captured to free himself he had to call on a powerful darklord.

So far my opponent has failed to come up with a viable means of countering me.

what we have are a lot of "not gonna works"

1. He will sense me because of my energy. Energy I don't have and will be anywhere BUT where my build is.
2. He will absorb my energy attacks and wield them against me, OH wait. That's right, I didn't use any.
3. He will absorb by kinetic energy to save himself from my physical attacks. Light speed (limit for the tourney and I AM capable of building my speed to more). light speed times 40 Tons using the mass altering on Overdrive) IMO would be severely beyond the limits shown for the characters I fight.
4. Somehow an inpenitrabel shield can always block an attack going speed of light, can also protect from teleportation.
It would be literally childs blay to get behind you and attack where you aren't ready for it.


Post 4

There wont even be "human level energy" for you to find due to the concealment spell. the only energy you can detect on the battlefield will be anything but myself.

Actually I realized from the outset. this was why I purposely chose a wording that was broad and "ALL ENCOMPASING". Had I said invisibility spell then I would be limited to protection from sight. Had I said cloaking that would only add sound protection. I did this for two reasons
1. So that you would waste much of you beginning counters carrying on about how you would discern my location, which I could easily shoot down.
2. To offer the very protection of being found by ANY means i may not have been aware of.

So it appears it was actually my team that drafted Midnighter and manipulated you. You have so nicely done everything I would have expected and left yourself without a leg to stand on.

To answer your question is three fold.
1. You have shown nothing that proves that Winter detects "life" energy. This isn't energy in the conventional sense. It's that spark of an essense like the soul.
2. My scans categorically state that the many colored threads are only visible to mages with second sight. Clear indication that they aren't like other magic.
3. The magic Arion uses (the many colored thread) is old beyond time and long since forgotten or used by any other. Any feat for Winter absorbing magic, doesn't prove anything against a form of energy that was not used since before recorded history. arions%20many%20coloured%20threads%20anciect%20and

The threads were used to create the energy of magic now used today and are nothing like it.

let's say for the sake of the argument you can detect the energy I am "using from around the area". That energy isn't from where I am, it isn't necessarily going to where I am. It's going to where the effect is. To cast a concealment spell could just as easily be sending out from everywhere a distortion to anything that can detect to prevent it. So the energy is in the trees, the birds, the blades of grass and near you. How does that help you find me???

He created an antibody in that feats. An antibody is part of a bacteria. The anti body he created was also from a vastly enhanced strain of anthrax (so it was for the "deadliest bacteria known). The rules say I'm not limited by their morals and to their feats and the feat does what I need. big grin

I'll cover the rest in bullet point (because it's not worth any great deal of attention)

1. the only energies i've used that are detectable (not "concealed, as the concealment spell is around me) are away from me or in positions i formerly held. Therefore no use in attacking or defending from me.
2. The animals are a distraction, while your dealing with them, the weather, etc etc you focus is taken from me (and you NEED your focus on me)
3. In the scan of Buddy tagging Barry, he was limited to drawing speed and stacking speed from animals of Rot, like cockroaches. Animals not even known for speed. It stated on panel that barry was half speed and he goes much FTL, so even half speed is near light speed. Actually having access to the animals that do have speed to stack means I can go much faster than light but that is the limit by the rules.
4. Aiming arrows - couldn't care less
That's a depowered Arion with no more than normal human stats catching an arrow fired from behind him in flight. Add the enhanced speed and reaction of Animal man and I am not worried about arrows.
5. Absorbing kinetic energy from something near light speed with vastly increased mass won't stop it from making it cut. Never mind that i can simply make it intangible and then solid once it's in your heart
6. It doesn't really matter if the metal isn't those specifics there are metals in the real world that allow enough of what I need.
7.I have allowed you to wale on now for 3 of your 5 posts about how you can detect energy and will know my position all because you failed to take full consideration of the semantics I used in the opening post. Concealment literally means to hid from all means of detection. You've dug your hole and now have to turn to a completely new strategy with very little time. Since you've already done all this and wasted so much time that I likely have already removed your legs, arms head, infected you with a bacteria you have no hope of fighting, undermined your bodies healing factor (BTW, prove it doesn't work that way- it's how healing factors work). By the time you adopt any strategy that has a chance of success your already dead.


Post 5 - final post

First to fix a fouled scan from my last post

For some reason an animal man one loaded twice.

Ahh my friend, Chi isn't "life force". and it isn't magic. The fact that he has no problem absorbing Chi, but magic is the "spicy food" for him proves this. It (magic) hurts him going in and out. Speaking of which it's time to address that elephant in the room, and in doing so put this to bed.

I've deliberately ignored this fact throughout so that you can push the non existent line of using Winters energy absorption un-impunned so that I could pull this rug from under you in the closing moments, leading your debate by the nose. Your own scan shows that he was in flight and fighting the magic and when he absorbed it was on the ground in pain. That is going to be a truly effective way of fighting my build isn't it???

When I'm ready to make my final attack I will unleash a vast magical strike against you that will leave you in pain and helpless to defend yourself. At this point I will slice off all your appendages finishing with your head. So you see everything else I've said is mere smoke and mirrors. Leading you to make your debate as I would have you. Making you commit to a course of action that was failed from the outset. You have completely wasted your entire first four posts because in your own opening, you disclosed how magic affects you adversely and will win this for me. I have made you repeat how many times that you will absorb the magical energy around you?? How many times have you caused yourself pain in this debate without me even doing a thing??

Every single thing you have stated throughout this debate of how you would face me will cause you pain. IF your successful, you defeat yourself, if not I defeat you.

Now to another "contextually questionable" feats you've posted. You claim that you can absorb energy even when unconscious, so you ingore the fact that to do so required your unconscious body being lifted into the path of an energy attack?? Did you bring someone along with you to the battle to be able to do this?? Not that it really matters since absorbing Arion's magic will cause you pain and disorient you (as it did in your own evidence)

Tug away at that thread, as with your own evidence you've completely ignored the context (which I already pointed out for you). In the rot world feat Buddy was limited to drawing on animals of "ROT". It specifically stated cockroaches and the like. The top speed of a cockroach is 2 miles an hour. Can you even contemplate how many cockroaches Buddy had to stack to achieve even 1/5 the speed of light??? Considering that in this battle I have access to ALL of buddy's powers and can access hundreds of thousands of animals that speed to several orders of magnitude greater, I could easily achieve FTL speed, only the rules prevent me from doing so. There is NO MAYBE in the feat, when you consider exactly how limited he was during it.

considering that the modern version of the energy lays him low (your scans not mine) an ancient and very different type may very well end him. Regardless since absorbing magic hurts him enough to have him from flying to being face planted on the ground with definite impact marks in the space of a panel, I don't think I have much to worry about.

Your counter to my slicing and dicing you is absorbed kinetic energy. To support this you offer absorbing the kinetic energy of a bullet. A bullet that weighs maybe 3 grams moving maybe 300m/s. Somehow this allows you to absorb a mass of potential tons (mass altering of Animal man) moving at light speed??? Talk about a no limits fallacy.

My opponent relies on
1. being unseen - busted as I have shown Arion sensing things without normal senses and Animal man can have every sense of teh animal kingdom stacked
2. Magic Energy absorbing - busted as his own scans show it drops him like a rag doll to absorb magic.
3. Kinetic energy absorbing - yeah a bullet is really on the league of what he's
4. Combat skills and weapons that he has conceded we are equals in and I have shown even depowered (which I am far from here)I can catch.

He has present no attack that is viable where his own evidence doesn't undermine.

He has also presented no defense to my attacks other than failed attempts to say the feats I've presented don't make them possible when they actually make vastly more possible, and his own feats actually prove to be as he states mine are.

Judges I could have shot his argument to pieces at any time but chose to wait until he was utterly committed to it. He now has no out, not back door to climb through to present a different means of viable offense or defense.




Supermutant's Vote

DS strategy--I don helmet of Hades, the bell rings, and I take to the air. I fire my arrows at the opponent. Arrows tipped with the feather of the Stymphalian birds and dipped in the blood of the Hydra. When opponent uses shields and magic counters, I then planned to soak up the energy, and return it to him in its negative form as a massive explosion.

BB strategy--Magical shield, concealment spell to hide me, multiple illusions, teleport to secluded location, stack animal speed, altered time rate. Then magical and most durable metal sword, summon the dimensional serpent like entity, elemental attack combined with "dull mind spell." Finally, teleport behind opponent and cut off limbs.

First note, I don't think believe BB will have the time and/or concentration/power to do everything in the beginning. That's a whole lot of multi-tasking. I prefer DS simpler strategy although simpler isn't always better.

Second note, BB would be able to hear and sense his opponent w/out the need for sight using Animal Man. Also Animal Man can access the powers of Alien animals. He did it on DC earth, he can do it here.

Third note, Winter should be able to track energy signatures, magic does give off a signature. Although would he be tracking a real opponent or an illusion. Also how long can BB stay intangible and he would have to become tangible to strike opponent.

For me this comes down to can Winter absorb magic and still be in fighting condition? BB definitely has speed on his size and both of you claim magical swords. Herc sword can definitely cut Arion's going by the feats shown.

This is very tough and a testament to the great job you guys did. There's really only one scan that showed Winter absorbing magic and he wasn't looking too good from it. His ally even said, "he couldn't win the way things were going."

If there were a couple more scans of Winter absorbing magic w/out so much strain, my vote would be different, but I vote for beatboks. excellent match

Beatboks wins, and advances to the next round.

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