Cooler vs Frieza

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Damborgson
http://k44.kn3.net/DA19A393A.jpg

vs


http://users.telenet.be/cesar.nunez/frieza.gif

who wins?

StiltmanFTW
Final form Cooler vs. Namek Frieza?

Cooler destroys him.

Galan007
If we only use their battles against n00b SSJ Goku as a reference, then Freeza wins.

SquallX
Cooler wins cause he's Cooler. shifty

Ridley_Prime
Originally posted by Galan007
If we only use their battles against n00b SSJ Goku as a reference, then Freeza wins.
There's still the whole "I can gather energy a lot faster than my brother" death ball/supernova attack though, which Namek Frieza would certainly have more trouble with than the noob SSJ... Such ki moves aside though, Frieza might be able to beat him physically, yeah.

Galan007
Yeah, but n00b SSJ Goku stomped 5th form Cooler with laughable ease. Cooler wasn't even a challenge.

Freeza, on the other hand, could at least put up a decent fight.

Ridley_Prime
Eh, yeah...

As far as ki/energy output, I'd have to say Cooler wins if both tried using death ball/their ultimate attack, while in a physical strength assault, Frieza wins.

KingD19
Keep in mind the Goku that Cooler fought was at least several times stronger in the movie. This was a time after Namek, and probably around the Android preparation arc.

So Cooler lost to a more powerful, more experienced(with SSJ), no screwing around Goku and had to be blasted into the sun.

Frieza lost to a brand new SSJ Goku who was merciful enough to leave him alive.

Galan007
Originally posted by KingD19
Keep in mind the Goku that Cooler fought was at least several times stronger in the movie. This was a time after Namek, and probably around the Android preparation arc.

So Cooler lost to a more powerful, more experienced(with SSJ), no screwing around Goku and had to be blasted into the sun.

Frieza lost to a brand new SSJ Goku who was merciful enough to leave him alive. It was Namek-era SSJ Goku.

Not only did it take him a considerable amount of time/effort to transform, but his aura is also indicative of the Namek-era.

Here is his SSJ aura upon initially transforming in the film:
http://i.imgur.com/zutFxQSl.png

Here is his SSJ aura upon initially transforming on Namek:
http://i.imgur.com/bYXNl5c.png

Damborgson
Originally posted by KingD19
Keep in mind the Goku that Cooler fought was at least several times stronger in the movie. This was a time after Namek, and probably around the Android preparation arc.

So Cooler lost to a more powerful, more experienced(with SSJ), no screwing around Goku and had to be blasted into the sun.

Frieza lost to a brand new SSJ Goku who was merciful enough to leave him alive.


He didn't HAVE to be blasted into the sun, he just happened to be killed that way. Goku could've done it other ways.

Ridley_Prime
Sending Cooler's ball of death back at him took everything Goku had though; he was completely maxed out, much less able to move and get up afterward (had to have Piccolo save him from Salza), so if Cooler hadn't been blasted to the sun from that all out attack, Goku would've been out of luck.

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, but n00b SSJ Goku stomped 5th form Cooler with laughable ease. Cooler wasn't even a challenge.

Freeza, on the other hand, could at least put up a decent fight. Movies are generally shit though in terms of even fighting.

Villain stomps, powerup of some sort for the heroes, immediate end to the fight. Bojack, Broly, Android 13, Cooler, Janemba, Dragon Fisting the Dragon, Lord Slug, I forget the other movie villains but probably there too.

That being said, Goku should be around the timeframe where he was fingering Trunk's sword so he was a ways more powerful than when he fought Frieza. With that said, it was implied that Cooler trained to get his new form, so naturally he's a ***** in the long run compared to Frieza.
Plus I think it was said in the power levels that Cooler was somewhere along 470 million in his new form or something. Did he show it? lol

Ridley_Prime
Yeah... All the movie villains had to suffer from the pre-BotG movie formula. sick The fights with them were never really drawn out like the fights with anyone in the actual episodes, which left me sour.

Galan007
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Goku should be around the timeframe where he was fingering Trunk's sword It would be closer to Namek-era Goku than Yardrat-era/'one year later' Goku, judging by the time/effort it took him to transform into a Super Saiyan. IF he was more powerful than his Namek-era self, the difference would have been marginal.

Ridley_Prime
Well, there was the zenkai boost Goku got after he healed from his back getting fried by Cooler's eye beams with a senzu bean.

Galan007
Was it stated that he received a zenkai, though? Can't remember.

Ridley_Prime
Don't recall if it was directly stated, but making Salza's scouter break unlike before when he was powering back up sure seemed to imply a zenkai.

Galan007
Dunno. I took that scene as Goku getting pissed and just powering up more intensely than before... Because when he first engaged Cooler's Squadron, he didn't really power up much at all. /shrug

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Galan007
It would be closer to Namek-era Goku than Yardrat-era/'one year later' Goku, judging by the time/effort it took him to transform into a Super Saiyan. IF he was more powerful than his Namek-era self, the difference would have been marginal. Nah, it was the same year Trunks killed Frieza but after
http://magikarp46.com/dragonball/guidebooks/07-chronology.php

That being said, he didn't really have difficulty transforming, he just yelled a lot. Certainly less effort expended than when we saw Trunks transforming against KK and Frieza.

Plus, even if it was before Trunks came, he still would have got a massive boost from the Frieza fight, the training afterwards, and the near death from Cooler.



Though it'd be interesting to see how many days or hours of training it would take Frieza to match Cooler. It would have been fun to see the similar form brothers fighting in animated form as well.

Bentley
Frieza trains a month and solos Cooler and the Android Saga.

Crimson Dragoon
Cooler absolutely slaughters his younger brother



Goku flat out says Cooler's ki is stronger than Freeza's when Cooler transformed. Goku in Movie 5 is also suggested to be much stronger than in the canon timeline because Cooler said he saw how he could've beaten Freeza after fighting Goku, who was still in base. Plus SSJ Goku strained himself immensely in the process of overpowering Cooler's Supernova, to the point of reverting back to base and passing out.

Galan007
Ah, cool beans. Totally forgot about that line. embarrasment

Cooler wins. thumb up

NewGuy01
Is the 470,000,000 quote from a reliable source?

It is rather odd, though, that Form IV Cooler is only as strong as Base Goku, but Form V is SSJ-tier. Unless the power changes are different, Cooler in Form I would have to be in the ballpark of a Ginyu Force member--it's no wonder why he remained in his fourth all the time.

StiltmanFTW
Goku apparently has become stronger, he's also seen training kamehameha waves on Kamesennin's island.

Galan007
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Is the 470,000,000 quote from a reliable source? It was stated in one of the promotional power level guides for the film--the same guides that listed LSSJ Broly at 1.4b and SSJ Gogeta at 2.5b.

The notion that n00b Goku's PL had more than tripled since the events of Namek, however, is completely unbelievable... So I don't buy the 470m thing for Cooler.

bbrem123
Just rewatched cooler's revenge and man goku can take a beating

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Galan007
It was stated in one of the promotional power level guides for the film--the same guides that listed LSSJ Broly at 1.4b and SSJ Gogeta at 2.5b.

The notion that n00b Goku's PL had more than tripled since the events of Namek, however, is completely unbelievable... So I don't buy the 470m thing for Cooler.

But he was fingering blows from Trunks' sword, who claimed that those blows would have anihilated Frieza.

Galan007
Originally posted by NewGuy01
But he was fingering blows from Trunks' sword, who claimed that those blows would have anihilated Frieza. Trunks was holding back with those strikes:
http://i.imgur.com/W9ws7F9m.jpg

KingD19
That doesn't necessarily mean Goku still couldn't have done the same thing if he himself put out more energy to match Trunk's full swing.

Galan007
Goku said Trunks was not going all-out, therefore Trunks was not going all-out.

What-ifs don't mean much.

KingD19
But just like saying what-if's don't mean much, that statement doesn't mean much. What proof do we have Trunks went all out against Freiza and King Cold? What level of "holding back" was he at? Was he almost full strength? Half? Etc...

Galan007
There was no implication that he held back when he sliced Freeza.

NewGuy01
Galan's right, my confusion was because of a translation error where Trunks said "those" strikes could have slaughtered Frieza.

Regardless of that fact, it seems clear enough to me that such a feat is well above what he would have been capable of on Namek.

Ridley_Prime
Bump!

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https://i.imgur.com/DVqdyf0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KW1nMhs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Moqialg.jpg

I wonder if Cooler had to train some months to get that, or if he attained Golden form just by willing it. Would be dumb if the latter, tho I guess they figured it didn't have to make much sense if it's just a fanservice anime, and Cooler's non-canon anyway, so...

I think this Cooler would beat noob Golden Frieza from RoF, but current GF from the ToP, would give it to Frieza. Will have to see I guess if Cooler gets anymore feats/moments during the remainder of the show's run.

Regardless of the continuity, Super DB Heroes has actually been pretty fun so far imo, despite how hard some tried to shit on it in the beginning, but like it or hate it, it gives us more versus thread material to go with now. shrug Broly ****ed the continuity anyway.

Galan007
I've not watched this show(and don't plan to), but based on the screen-caps you provided, it seems like Cooler just willed himself into a Golden form.

Granted, it was stated in Movie 5 that Cooler was a far better energy collector/manipulator than Freeza... Apply that ability to the DBS scaling system, and I'd imagine that it was indeed the basis for Cooler *poofing* into a Golden form, lol.

Estacado
Golden Cooler looks so much coola....

One Big Mob
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Bump!

https://i.imgur.com/NpuTEQi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/DVqdyf0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KW1nMhs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Moqialg.jpg

I wonder if Cooler had to train some months to get that, or if he attained Golden form just by willing it. Would be dumb if the latter, tho I guess they figured it didn't have to make much sense if it's just a fanservice anime, and Cooler's non-canon anyway, so...

I think this Cooler would beat noob Golden Frieza from RoF, but current GF from the ToP, would give it to Frieza. Will have to see I guess if Cooler gets anymore feats/moments during the remainder of the show's run.

Regardless of the continuity, Super DB Heroes has actually been pretty fun so far imo, despite how hard some tried to shit on it in the beginning, but like it or hate it, it gives us more versus thread material to go with now. shrug Broly ****ed the continuity anyway. Cooler's final form was on par with SS2 Goku. He was definitely a lot more powerful than before, and likely had training.

Estacado
That was an amped SSJ2 however...

cdtm
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Movies are generally shit though in terms of even fighting.

Villain stomps, powerup of some sort for the heroes, immediate end to the fight. Bojack, Broly, Android 13, Cooler, Janemba, Dragon Fisting the Dragon, Lord Slug, I forget the other movie villains but probably there too.

That being said, Goku should be around the timeframe where he was fingering Trunk's sword so he was a ways more powerful than when he fought Frieza. With that said, it was implied that Cooler trained to get his new form, so naturally he's a ***** in the long run compared to Frieza.
Plus I think it was said in the power levels that Cooler was somewhere along 470 million in his new form or something. Did he show it? lol

Piccolo vs trio was better then Goku vs anyone.

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