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Looks like the prices keep going up.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/02/obamacare-prices-increase-for-those-who-dont-get-subsidies.html

Prices rise three times faster then fed claims

http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/01/obamacare-premiums-to-soar-3-times-faster-than-feds-claim/

http://www.hngn.com/articles/146572/20151103/obamacare-premiums-to-increase-three-times-more-than-government-predicted-according-to-analysis.htm

And guess what you still don't get to keep your doctor as Obama promised.

That makes him a liar.

How did people really give this the "OK" when the guy who wrote it said it was a cadillac tax and a fraud on the American people.

This sucks

From your article



Wow, sounds like Obamacare is really successful, protecting consumers from the rampant abuses that were prevalent before the ACA.


Additionally the problems these articles talk about are not because of Obamacare, but because of the opposition of Republican led states to it. Idiots like Rick Perry (lol) reject the expansion of Medicaid, even though it is free money from the federal government to their state, and thereby leave some people without subsidies and without medicaid. Yes, your precious Republicans ****ed up Health Care for some people who are now a bit worse off, and that should be changed, but don't blame Obama for that, blame who is actually at fault (Republicans).

Overall Obamacare is a huge success, as your articles agree, people who are now covered with medicare and people that receive subsidies are all considerably better off, the only places it fail is where Republicans work hard to keep some people uncovered, which is pretty ****ed up if you think about it.

http://obamacarefacts.com/medicaid-gap/
http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacares-medicaid-expansion/





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^LOL

Originally posted by Star428
^LOL

His only reason for existence is to and talk to me when I made it pretty clear we would never speak again. Kinda pathetic actually.

You do talk a lot about not speaking to me though...at any rate, I posted on topic...

Also this article is also pretty good: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/shop-for-better-insurance-plan-prices-federal-health-officials-urge-consumers/2015/10/30/510fabde-7f31-11e5-beba-927fd8634498_story.html

People need to shop for the best Health Insurance for them (price wise and coverage wise), surely that's something Republicans must like, competition and all.

The biggest problem facing people is still the Medicaid gap caused by state governments.

"You can keep your doctor, and your plan!"

Obama care died

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426550/obamacare-failures

Adverse selection is wrecking many of the co-ops and I would wager most of the participants in Obamas plan are in socal, ny, florida.

Overall its terrible legislation.

Population of KY is about 4.4 million. So it's probably not those receiving the benefits of an affordable health plan that voted in that assclown.

edit: NVM, you're talking about lazy voter turn out.

Kills me that some people want to ride a hype train attempting to act like the issues of attempting to roll out universal health coverage, one, outweigh the good, and two, are the worst of the issues created by the government in general.

TI, as usual you see things as you want to rather than looking at the facts, but you do you.

Originally posted by Star428
^LOL


He posts facts and data- including ones from the article *Time* posted, ironically- you laugh without understand 'em.



I'd say the joke's on you, but it's more kinda sad? You just laugh whenever anyone disagrees with you, because you think anything disagreeing with you is automatically comically wrong.


If you never consider you may be wrong, that means you have no way of checking whether you're right.

I think though for some people the bottom line comes down to: Obama told people they could keep their plans and doctors.

Is this true? If not then did Obama lie or was he just mistaken?

Originally posted by Surtur
I think though for some people the bottom line comes down to: Obama told people they could keep their plans and doctors.

Is this true? If not then did Obama lie or was he just mistaken?


Yes, it's true, and the answer is, it's hard to say since he made the promise before the ACA's final form.


But to go into it further on what happened, you could keep your plans, unless the 'plan' turned out to be a piece-of-crap not-really-plan that'd screw you over if you ever got really sick or hurt and leave you millions in debt. You can keep your doctor unless they were only attached to such a plan (which is not overly common but does happen) or the doctor decided to pull out for whatever reason. The vast majority of cases, plans and doctors were kept, speaking in generality, most people were able to keep both.

Also, even if it's a lie? It's a lie upward.

It's like saying, "You can keep your boat!" and then turning around and when the plan hits, replacing any boat with holes in it or that is otherwise about to sink. What was actually done is better than what was said.



Personally, I'm relatively fine with people doing better than what's promised, even if it's not what was originally said.

"Hey, this isn't my worn-out guitar!"

"Haha, you now have a vintage les paul!"

"This isn't candy corn!"

"Snickers for you this halloween!"

"This isn't Star Trek V!"

"Nope, Wrath of Khan!"



Inaccurate information give through either error or deceit? Yes. This horrible thing we should be hating President of the United States Barack Obama for? Noooot so much.

Note how when people bring it up, they like to avoid going into the practical effect of what happened as a result, and there's a definite reason for that. "Someone replaced the crappy bits," is not the greatest attack in the world.

I think mandatory reforms on medical insurance costs and practices would have been a more effective way of providing healthcare.

Speaking of health care this is what I specifically use, it is called CountyCare.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150509/ISSUE01/305099986/the-insurance-plan-that-got-cook-county-health-off-life-support

I've paid literally zero.

Looks and sounds good

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I think mandatory reforms on medical insurance costs and practices would have been a more effective way of providing healthcare.


That was suggested by some, but it doesn't really work out- insurance costs alone are in large part dependent on drug costs and such which are unaffected by direct regulation of the insurence companies, and it'd still leave the uninsured up a creek, and dealing with the uninsured is a large part of the cost of the system.


It's not a bad idea or anything, it'd still help sone, but it just won't provide as big savings without something also being done about coverage. And of course, savings is itself secondary to making sure people are treated and kept in health.


Though there is an alternative out there: Getting rid of medical insurance entirely. Just make it automatic, you go in, you get treated, the bill gets covered. It eliminates all the paperwork costs and such of insurance, is what other countries do, and does successfully, much cheaper than the US's old way.

ACA is a failure and Obama is a failure.

Originally posted by Q99
Yes, it's true, and the answer is, it's hard to say since he made the promise before the ACA's final form.


But to go into it further on what happened, you could keep your plans, unless the 'plan' turned out to be a piece-of-crap not-really-plan that'd screw you over if you ever got really sick or hurt and leave you millions in debt. You can keep your doctor unless they were only attached to such a plan (which is not overly common but does happen) or the doctor decided to pull out for whatever reason. The vast majority of cases, plans and doctors were kept, speaking in generality, most people were able to keep both.

Also, even if it's a lie? It's a lie upward.



Are you talking about individual plans that were held by people that didn't offer maternity or are you trying to site mini-medical plans?

Because with as many times as Obama had to explain his plan he could have easily broadened his explanation but was advised to not explain policy just bullet points. Hence why even Time magazine went after obama and gruber as liars.

Many of the co-ops are in death spirals, the ACA is terrible.

My money is on the idea that the ACA has increased the average and median American's medical costs and bullshit statistics that say "market price plans have even decreased this year! Derpy dooo!" are very misleading.


Why is no real research ever done for these types of things? Is there not a super strong incentive to measure the actual out of pockets costs for medical care (which includes insurance premiums)? I mean, clearly, there is. You'd think the GOP would want to prove how poorly the ACA has helped the Americans they claim it was for. Let's not forget that the ACA should have been a universal healthcare solution (and I think Rick Perry even supported the idea of a universal healthcare solution a la expanding medicare/medicaid so it is not as though the major players in the GOP oppose a universal option).




For those Americans that it has helped, financially: great!!!! Amazing. Terrific! For those which it has harmed, financially (which I think is a majority), that's too bad.




TI is correct: we needed healthcare and insurance reform, first, before we got something like ACA. Some people say ACA is a stepping stone to universal coverage. I hope so.

Originally posted by Mindset
ACA is a failure and Obama is a failure.

Originally posted by Surtur
Speaking of health care this is what I specifically use, it is called CountyCare.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150509/ISSUE01/305099986/the-insurance-plan-that-got-cook-county-health-off-life-support

I've paid literally zero. Oh Lordy! You and that didactic memory!

These fcking ACA costs, man TI is da man

You literally said:

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Looks and sounds good

Originally posted by Surtur
Speaking of health care this is what I specifically use, it is called CountyCare.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20150509/ISSUE01/305099986/the-insurance-plan-that-got-cook-county-health-off-life-support

I've paid literally zero.



"Thanks Obama"

Originally posted by Bashar Teg


"Thanks Obama"

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Meltdown in 3...2.....1.....

Guys, the fact that no one is heaping praises on me for how right I was, years ago, is making me upset. How dare you not pat me on the back.

PUBLIC HEALTHCARE IS SOCIALISM

PAYING YOUR GOVERNMENT IN TAXES THAT GO TO ANYTHING ELSE THAN PRIVATE CORPORATIONS IS SOCIALISM

TAXES ARE MEANT ONLY TO SUPPORT PRIVATE PRISONS AND ARMS DEALS WITH MIDDLE EAST

AMERICA WAKE UP

COMMUNISM IS DESTROYING YOU

Caps lock

EVERYTHING WAS TYPED ONLY HOLDING SHIFT BUTTON

THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN FEEL YOUR ANGER AT THE COMMUNISTS VENTING AS YOU TYPE, CAPSLOCK DOESNT PROVIDE THE RELEASE

Originally posted by gold slorg
CAPSLOCK DOESNT PROVIDE THE RELEASE

Back room strip club or maybe just a handy

Originally posted by Robtard
You literally said:

Ikr!

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
"You can keep your doctor, and your plan!"



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