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From your article
Wow, sounds like Obamacare is really successful, protecting consumers from the rampant abuses that were prevalent before the ACA.
Additionally the problems these articles talk about are not because of Obamacare, but because of the opposition of Republican led states to it. Idiots like Rick Perry (lol) reject the expansion of Medicaid, even though it is free money from the federal government to their state, and thereby leave some people without subsidies and without medicaid. Yes, your precious Republicans ****ed up Health Care for some people who are now a bit worse off, and that should be changed, but don't blame Obama for that, blame who is actually at fault (Republicans).
Overall Obamacare is a huge success, as your articles agree, people who are now covered with medicare and people that receive subsidies are all considerably better off, the only places it fail is where Republicans work hard to keep some people uncovered, which is pretty ****ed up if you think about it.
__________________ Darwin's theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought. It is large, completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.-Dr. David Berlinski, Philosophy
Most people believe Evolution not because they themselves are dumb, but cause they trust the "experts" who are feeding them evolutionary fast food, and so they don't bother questioning whether or not it's true.
People need to shop for the best Health Insurance for them (price wise and coverage wise), surely that's something Republicans must like, competition and all.
The biggest problem facing people is still the Medicaid gap caused by state governments.
There are about five hundred thousand people in Kentucky on the Kynect exchange plan.
The people of the State of Kentucky (87% White, 7% African-American) with a median household income of $41,693 (# 47 on the rankings) just went out and elected a governor who has promised to repeal the ACA low-income Medicaid subsidies, which will kick about 400 thousand people out the Health Insurance System.
There is minimal upside for the Democratic Party to help those people. Either they don’t show up at the polls, or when they do, they vote for the Republicans. These people keep voting against their economic self-interest on a regular basis. They are being screwed by the GOP. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
Kills me that some people want to ride a hype train attempting to act like the issues of attempting to roll out universal health coverage, one, outweigh the good, and two, are the worst of the issues created by the government in general.
TI, as usual you see things as you want to rather than looking at the facts, but you do you.
He posts facts and data- including ones from the article *Time* posted, ironically- you laugh without understand 'em.
I'd say the joke's on you, but it's more kinda sad? You just laugh whenever anyone disagrees with you, because you think anything disagreeing with you is automatically comically wrong.
If you never consider you may be wrong, that means you have no way of checking whether you're right.
I think though for some people the bottom line comes down to: Obama told people they could keep their plans and doctors.
Is this true? If not then did Obama lie or was he just mistaken?
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Yes, it's true, and the answer is, it's hard to say since he made the promise before the ACA's final form.
But to go into it further on what happened, you could keep your plans, unless the 'plan' turned out to be a piece-of-crap not-really-plan that'd screw you over if you ever got really sick or hurt and leave you millions in debt. You can keep your doctor unless they were only attached to such a plan (which is not overly common but does happen) or the doctor decided to pull out for whatever reason. The vast majority of cases, plans and doctors were kept, speaking in generality, most people were able to keep both.
Also, even if it's a lie? It's a lie upward.
It's like saying, "You can keep your boat!" and then turning around and when the plan hits, replacing any boat with holes in it or that is otherwise about to sink. What was actually done is better than what was said.
Personally, I'm relatively fine with people doing better than what's promised, even if it's not what was originally said.
"Hey, this isn't my worn-out guitar!"
"Haha, you now have a vintage les paul!"
"This isn't candy corn!"
"Snickers for you this halloween!"
"This isn't Star Trek V!"
"Nope, Wrath of Khan!"
Inaccurate information give through either error or deceit? Yes. This horrible thing we should be hating President of the United States Barack Obama for? Noooot so much.
Note how when people bring it up, they like to avoid going into the practical effect of what happened as a result, and there's a definite reason for that. "Someone replaced the crappy bits," is not the greatest attack in the world.
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That was suggested by some, but it doesn't really work out- insurance costs alone are in large part dependent on drug costs and such which are unaffected by direct regulation of the insurence companies, and it'd still leave the uninsured up a creek, and dealing with the uninsured is a large part of the cost of the system.
It's not a bad idea or anything, it'd still help sone, but it just won't provide as big savings without something also being done about coverage. And of course, savings is itself secondary to making sure people are treated and kept in health.
Though there is an alternative out there: Getting rid of medical insurance entirely. Just make it automatic, you go in, you get treated, the bill gets covered. It eliminates all the paperwork costs and such of insurance, is what other countries do, and does successfully, much cheaper than the US's old way.
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