Smurph Post 1
Originally posted by beatboks
The Combination of Comet, Occult and Starman makes me pretty much the supreme energy manipulator. Able to simply use the energy of anyone against them
Well judges, we've seen Captain Comet manipulate Lantern energies and we've seen Dr. Occult shield/absorb (?) against the energy blast from DoJ Spectre. Truly, Beatboks' energy manipulation is impressive...
...so I guess I'm glad I didn't use an energy attack!
I'm happy that Beatboks is happy that he's used three drafts to achieve what Vulcan could do for one. Vulcan would be great against, say, Captain Atom. My approach, however, is more primitive, and more effective.
While he prepares to redirect a wide variety of energy blasts, a cloaked Stormbreaker will blow a hole through his torso.
First, because this is a debate, I'm going to tackle some of the clashes between our OP's, as well as points Beatboks raised in his post. Then I'm going to get back to why this match inevitable ends with Stormbreaker-through-the-torso:
Occult's Disc of the Seven vs. Soulsword
OK, I'm going to expand on how powerful the Soulsword is, but I really don't think it's necessary:
All of Dr. Occult's noteworthy feats have to do with redirecting, or manipulating, magical energy. Beatboks only posted one feat that actually affected a magical item: that is, not a magical blast of energy:
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Dr%20Occult/Black%20Baptism%203%20-%20Page%2019.jpg.html
Dr. Occult amplifies the energies of Wonder Woman's lasso.
He does not drain them.
Obviously, adding to the power of the lasso is a very different beast than undoing the enchantment that powers the lasso. Judges, unless, based off that scan, you believe that Dr. Occult could simply remove the power of the lasso with a wave of his magic symbol, then the scan has no relevance here. Beatboks claims:
...but we have no scans to back up that nonsense.
By all means, Beatboks, amplify the Soulsword and Stormbreaker! Either way, this match only ends one way.
As for comparing the Soulsword to the Disc:
The Soulsword has a wide range of feats that demonstrate its position as the basic antithesis of magic in Marvel.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2293748-ux190_magick.jpg
"No magic entity or spell can withstand it."
The Soulsword has:
Exorcised forces including the Demon Bear (X-Men psychic/supernatural team wrecker), the sorcerer Gravemoss, Kulan Gath's spell, and Magik's own uberpowerful Darkchylde persona:
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/sites/default/files/images/article/soulsword2.jpg
Threatened Mephisto in his own realm
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/2055723-unledvdg.jpg
Reflected spells of Belasco (Hell Lord), among others
Easily severed the Juggernaut enchantment (while in Limbo -- more on this in a moment)
Delivered the killing blow on Archenemy
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Archenemy_(Earth-616)
Been sought after by Dr Doom, among other sorcerers, demons, etc.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108342/3119276-nightcrawler+soulsword.jpg
IMPORTANT CONTEXT NOTES:
When wielded by the ruler of Limbo, the Soulsword is significantly more powerful - which is why severing the Juggernaut enchantment was so easy for Magik to do. Previously, she wouldn't be able to accomplish that outside of Limbo.
However, in Uncanny X-Men volume 2, Magik absorbed the entirety of Limbo inside her.
She no longer needs to port to Limbo to access its power, she now carries it with her. She doesn't know how to wield all that power, so she's currently being tutored by a Dr. Strange from the past:
http://s21.postimg.org/th53ag15f/absorb_limbo_1.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/4rpcq1nmb/absorb_limbo_2.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/hukz9bdub/absorb_limbo_3.jpg http://s21.postimg.org/o704j5gwj/absorb_limbo_4.jpg
It's been shown that, in the future, Magik may become the Sorcerer Supreme for the Galaxy... or something crazy like that.
Now, I want to be really clear here: Magik, with her new power, has not, to my knowledge, done anything beyond the capability of a Low Herald. Further, there isn't a basis for me to extrapolate on all the potential power she might have in order to get a sort of loophole amp for this tourney. I drafted Magik as a low herald because, at this point in time, it's where I believe she belongs.
That said, the only reason I'm going in to all this context is to be upfront about all the little details, as well as to make the following, simple argument:
We know that, in Limbo, Magik's sword is powerful enough to dismiss Juggernaut's enchantment. We know that, outside of Limbo, Magik has done similar feats with similar ease to beings of much less power than Cyttorak (Kulan Gath, Gravemoss, etc), and even accomplished similar highs such as threatening Mephisto, or killing Archenemy.
Therefore, while we may not be able to nail down the average power of the Soulsword - especially now that Illyana carries around Limbo inside of her - we can see that it is a very high average. Dr. Occult, as a caster, simply doesn't measure up. By Beatbok's own admission, Dr. Occult is only powerful when he is able to wield opponent's energy against them - and I am not giving him energy, but rather the pointy end of my sword.
ONE LAST, IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT THE SOULSWORD:
There are some oldschool scans that claim that the Soulsword cannot affect physical beings. The sword has changed, and now this is very far from true:
Renders Black Widow unconscious, not unlike Psylocke's blade)
Cleaves through Sentinel 1
Cleaves through Sentinel 2
...and it's a gigantic Sentinel, and Magik doesn't have super strength.
Beta Ray Bill, however, does.
Beta Ray BEAST! lifts Asgard (with Thor)
...so, not only will the Soulsword destroy Beatboks' magic, it will also just obliterate him physically.
Sensors vs. Stealth
...not much to say here. Firstly, these scans didn't work for me:
but, those scans sound totally irrelevant anyways. Basically, if Beatboks is going to argue that Occult can sense precise magical energies in order to track down concealed opponents, then he needs to prove that Occult can do that. Finding a mysterious route in hell doesn't sound like remotely the same thing, and probably has more to do with the fact that Occult is a f*cking supernatural detective, but hey, what do I know anyways.
It's worth noting that, if I need to conceal magical energies, Magik can cast Cyttorak's Spell of Invisibility, but until Beatboks provides some sort of weight for an argument that Invisible Boy's stealth isn't enough, I'm going to assume that this scan alone will suffice:
http://s578.photobucket.com/user/OdinBorson/media/Johnny%20Storm%20Herald%20of%20Galactus/Stealth-1.jpg.html
"No breach of our defenses by anything detectable by sight, sound, or any electromagnetic frequency whatsoever"
... so Starman and Comet's powers should be utterly useless.
Regarding telepathy:
Smite is shielded by Johnny's shields, which are super versions of Sue Storm's shields (Johnny and Sue swapped powers prior to Johnny's heraldization). Sue's shields have a long history of blocking out mental powers entirely. Johnny's invisibility also apparently blocks out Galactus' own cosmic awareness. I can get further into this if necessary.
Comet's Squishy Stomach vs. Stormbreaker
This is how I imagine the battle ending:
http://s30.postimg.org/ge0if2bj1/reckoning1.jpghttp://s30.postimg.org/5tqkwh719/reckoning2.jpghttp://s29.postimg.org/i1ahoys77/reckoning3.jpg
This is a reckoning, Beatboks.
SMITE! has judged you unworthy.
Stepping outside time is time manipulation, whether or not you can affect the past. Time travel, including traveling outside time, has always been squarely within a forum understanding of time manip. 