POST THE SECOND
is tony faster than i am? yes. be stupid to deny it. however, nate is NOT slow, as i already illustrated. does he have a ton of speed feats? no, not really, but he does have thought-speed reaction time as shown above, even BEFORE he evolved into the shaman. here he easily bends and redirects bullets away from him after they are fired:
and how fast ARE his thoughts: they can cover GALACTIC DISTANCES in an instant, as shown here when he communicates through a HOLOGRAM to the REAL majestrix, "safe" on her home world:
so, again, he is not slow by any measure--and his thoughts are nearly indescribably fast. coupled with the perceptual advantage that allows him to LITERALLY break time down into the tiniest imaginable increments and SEE these increments, he would absolutely have time to react and then ACT before tony gets to him. his precog would help as well.
and let's not forget--tony is NOT blitzing me.
instead he is attempting the VERY RISKY gambit of negating my inertia. again, in the single instance that ability was demonstrated, he was in direct contact with the object.
jumping to the conclusion that he could negate inertia at a distance is a logical fallacy.
so, while he tries, and fails, to steal my inertia, i have plenty of time to port out of the way. as for why he gets hit by ares and venom? well, it IS a comic, he IS a hero and they ARE villains. ask superman or flash why THEY get hit.... that's not a great line of argument i'm afraid...
CONTROLS THE NARRATIVE??
not much to really say about this one. the ability is so esoteric and vaguely described, as to be effectively useless in a battle scenario. in the scans he seems to have lead the eleos to a point in his OWN history that he wanted them to see, but....that doesn't mean, in any way at all, that he can somehow....control time?? or even perception...??
that scenario was so specific (he was IN the time stream, examining his OWN history) and so ill-defined that drawing conclusions from it, and extrapolating its battle usefulness is impossible, and as such, the whole idea should likely just be dismissed. i don't even know what it would do in a battle....
ok, i'll not bother refuting tony's PHYSICAL senses. they are very good. but they don't matter in this match, at all. i am NOT hiding from him PHYSICALLY. as such, even things like atomic vision won't matter here. even this scan doesn't help:
"HE ALTERS THE ATOMIC STRUCTURE OF OBJECTS HE IS LOOKING AT.....
a telepathic cloak has no "atomic structure", at least not in any provable way. the purpose is to direct all physical senses AROUND its presence. of course it shields against psi powered senses as well, as we saw earlier when he hid from the very powerful EXODUS. in any event, i wouldn't be the first to prove able to hide from him. he couldn't see inside this alien ship for example:
and here, qubit actually cloaked his entire HEADQUARTERS from tony for a period of weeks with a determined tony constantly searching for it:
even when he KNEW where to look he couldn't see it. rather he had to follow the sound of the signal to get there! so yes, it is absolutely possible to hide/cloak to the extent that a herald can't sense you....
and judges, don't forget: i only need moments to touch his mind and find the necessary memories to take him down for good.
also important to recall? my ILLUSIONS. once i teleport, tony wouldn't even be looking for me initially. he'd be far too busy dealing with the illusions i leave in my place. the illusions would ensure i have the very small amount of time i'd need to locate those memories of his that i'm looking for....
as far as nate exuding energy that tony can sense:
they didn't recognize his energy signature until AFTER he dropped his guard. all those tp's present and they couldn't detect his energy until he LET them. that scan only further SUPPORTS nate's ability to mask his power....
as far as this bit of strawman:
lol nate was shielding them in an effort to keep the monster out, not cloaking them to hide them. the thing already knew where they were and was hunting them long before nate arrived, having already killed one of the telepaths. it was also coming at them from a different UNIVERSE. iow--that scene has no bearing at all on...anything as regards this match.
i confess to being impressed by id's attempts at countering my attack. i didn't know just how he was gonna approach it. he did well actually--just not quite good enough.
somehow getting into gazer's mind (whose power was pretty small-fry) is....significantly different from trying to keep out someone who can stretch his power ACROSS THE MULTIVERSE to find a few specific minds....
i mean, seriously? she had scattered her mind across the muthaphukcing MULTIVERSE and nate...collected all the facets and brought them together. that really is a near-cosmic type feat...
and here nate actually reads the mind of all the telepaths in the room i showed above--and they had shielded themselves!
"whoop-de-doo, leo!" you say, "they were probably low level chumps!"
powerful enough collectively to travel the multiverse and the timestream! that is DAMN impressive. they were powerful, experienced AND shielded, and nate effortlessly touched their minds.
assuming tony has some measure of tp in the true sense, it wouldn't matter in the least. to someone of nate's level and experience, his mind would be an open book with extra large font.
the eleos: the scans are kinda cool i guess, but--like so much related to tony--we really don't know just how capable they are. i mean here nate reads the mind of a GREAT BEAST:
i've already shown him getting into the higher being and world breaker, QABIRI's mind. in the past, we've seen xavier phukc with GALACTUS's mind:
and nate is even stronger than charles:
so, again, though the eleos feat is sorta cool, it might simply reflect the fact that eleos can't get into the heads of other eleos. we really have no idea how impressive, or irrelevant, that scene is.
what we DO know: nate has feats that are FAR greater and FAR more concrete. while tony fiddles with my illusions, nate scans his mind, finds the memory of his entrapment, and forces him to relive it, forever. (i noticed too that he still mentioned the black hole again. that was sufficiently debunked in my initial post, but didn't want anyone thinking i didn't attend to it.)
COUP DE GRACE
let's say despite the overwhelming evidence in support of the fact that nate CAN get into tony's head, you STILL don't believe it. as soon as nate sensed the resistance, he could simply do this:
in those scans, nate DRAINED THE ENTIRE GROUP OF THEIR PSIONIC ENERGY. and he did it easily and quickly. of course, as we all know by now, tony's powers are ALL psionically based:
so, while the trap using his own memories is more elegant, it is far from my only move in this match. i could always use the moves in combo if needed--if i sense his mind is resisting, i could drain and weaken him THEN find the memories i want and end this thing. or i just KEEP draining him until there is nothing left.
my perceptions (breaking time down, seeing the immediate future) and my own speed, coupled with his decision NOT to blitz at the start, give me MORE than sufficient time to teleport and cloak, leaving illusions behind in my place.
illusions set, my superior psi powers let me touch his mind, nearly instantly understand his history, find memories to use against him, and trap him in them. if he resists, i drain his psionic power to weaken him, or i drain him dry. his senses and ill-defined powers are not enough to overcome my concrete, proven levels of power.
created to destroy WORLDS. not interested in worlds--just gonna destroy plutonian.