Which universe has the most formidable A.I.?

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Zack M
In DC's corner:

Amazo
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Hourman 1M
http://i68.tinypic.com/1zexu8z.jpg

Pulsar Stargrave
http://i66.tinypic.com/knms1.jpg

Brother Eye
http://i67.tinypic.com/24evntw.jpg

Computo
http://i66.tinypic.com/344sdo2.jpg

Tomorrow Woman
http://i66.tinypic.com/28k0mzn.jpg

Metal Men
http://i64.tinypic.com/23sdvm.jpg

Solaris
http://i63.tinypic.com/r9eadf.jpg

Zack M
In Marvel's corner:

Ultron
http://i68.tinypic.com/xmvjv4.jpg

Additions always welcome.

DarkSaint85
Lol.

byrdgang21
lol!


Ultron still stomps

Galan007
Originally posted by Zack M
In Marvel's corner:

Ultron
http://i68.tinypic.com/xmvjv4.jpg

Additions always welcome. laughing out loud

Smurph
Lol, wellllllll

Marvel had:

Super Adaptoid
Archenemy
The Fury
The Alephs, I guess
The Phalanx
Bastion / Nimrods
The Unit thing from X-Men...

mmm

celeyhyga17
Worldmind

Zack M
Don't forget Vision and Machine Man for Marvel.

Some of the ones I forgot on DC side are:

Mageddon
Kilg%re
Mother one
OMACs

SquallX
With the Worlogog, Hourman has no equal.

Amazo comes next after he copied the Worlogog

Brainiac with the Miracle Machine is third.

Amazo is next depending on his power set.

abhilegend
baka

Mindset
Classic Golgo.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Zack M
Don't forget Vision and Machine Man for Marvel.

Some of the ones I forgot on DC side are:

Mageddon
Kilg%re
Mother one
OMACs YOU "FORGOT"!!!

Henry_Pym
Pym should win, his tech killed 99.99% of all Ai

He did this with a simple wave of his hand.

Zack M
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Pym should win, his tech killed 99.99% of all Ai

He did this with a simple wave of his hand.

It's not which single character wins, but which universe has the most formidable AI. Besides there isn't anything Amazo can't copy, including tech.

DarkSaint85
Formidable would be the Fury, I guess.

Mageddon was sure powerful, but was relatively simplistic in terms of AI.

The Phalanx, on the other hand, were an entire race.

So I would say, Marvel.

Although, Golgo, you missed one of the most formidable AIs on DC...

Zack M
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Formidable would be the Fury, I guess.

Mageddon was sure powerful, but was relatively simplistic in terms of AI.

The Phalanx, on the other hand, were an entire race.

So I would say, Marvel.

Although, Golgo, you missed one of the most formidable AIs on DC...

I would put Fury in the top 5 for sure, but I'm not sure I'd put it over a competent Amazo. TMazo would be my #1 pick, with Fury at #2, and Hourman at #3.

DarkSaint85
It was formidable - but without an external amp (giving it the Worlogog, for example), it's not all that in terms of AI.

I mean, you might as well ask who is more formidable, Jimmy Olson or Deathstroke......

Except Jimmy has the Worlogog.

Zack M
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It was formidable - but without an external amp (giving it the Worlogog, for example), it's not all that in terms of AI.

I mean, you might as well ask who is more formidable, Jimmy Olson or Deathstroke......

Except Jimmy has the Worlogog.

We're not using Amazo with the Worlogog. But it shows that Amazo can copy uber things like an artifact such as the Worlogog. Why couldn't Amazo copy Fury's abilities?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Zack M
We're not using Amazo with the Worlogog. But it shows that Amazo can copy uber things like an artifact such as the Worlogog. Why couldn't Amazo copy Fury's abilities?

Fury would just develop countermeasures against copying stick out tongue

You forgot to mention Imperiex probes, btw. Pretty much soloed DCU.

Zack M
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fury would just develop countermeasures against copying stick out tongue

You forgot to mention Imperiex probes, btw. Pretty much soloed DCU.

It would be an endless stalemate of copying, then.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Zack M
It would be an endless stalemate of copying, then.

But Amazo would simply copy the defensive measures Fury developed - he wouldn't get AROUND it.

For example, he copies Superman - he doesn't suddenly develop Kryptonite.

Zack M
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Amazo would simply copy the defensive measures Fury developed - he wouldn't get AROUND it.

For example, he copies Superman - he doesn't suddenly develop Kryptonite.

Why couldn't Amazo adapt too?

Galan007
An AI thread without Brainiac?

For shame. srsly

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Zack M
Why couldn't Amazo adapt too?

Quickdraw - IOW, it's Fury's to lose.

Also, oh yeah, Brainiac. But he was a Coluan who just augmented himself, right?

Galan007
^ Depends which version is being used.

Pretty much all versions became AI to *some* extent, though.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Depends which version is being used.

Pretty much all versions became AI to *some* extent, though.

I'm using the non-AI version, obv.

Zack M
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Quickdraw - IOW, it's Fury's to lose.

Also, oh yeah, Brainiac. But he was a Coluan who just augmented himself, right?

It only takes a thought, so it's anyone's game, IMO.

Galan007
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm using the non-AI version, obv. thumb up

Honestly shocked Zack hasn't mentioned B13 yet.

...."Yet" being the key word.

Henry_Pym
Originally posted by Zack M
It's not which single character wins, but which universe has the most formidable AI. Besides there isn't anything Amazo can't copy, including tech. copying Ultron's tech would be an instant win for Pym/Ultron. The virus was created to destroy all Ultron's tech except Vision and it worked on every version of Ultron outside the shell on the Eternals planet.

Zack M
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
copying Ultron's tech would be an instant win for Pym/Ultron. The virus was created to destroy all Ultron's tech except Vision and it worked on every version of Ultron outside the shell on the Eternals planet.

I don't think that would work on a competent Amazo
.

Surtur
The truth is both DC and Marvel have AI that could potentially become massively powerful, without any real limit. It's hard to choose one godlike robot over the other.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by Galan007
An AI thread without Brainiac?

For shame. srsly Team DC doesn't need more guys. This is a Prep-man thread after all

Q99
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Fury would just develop countermeasures against copying stick out tongue

You forgot to mention Imperiex probes, btw. Pretty much soloed DCU.

Are those even AI? I thought they were more like extensions of a cosmic being.

krisblaze
The Mastermind computer (the one that fury absorbed) was able to orchestrate Roma's capture and would've taken over as lord of otherworld if Captain Britain hadn't stopped him.

That's some pretty solid A.I thumb up

Henry_Pym
Originally posted by Zack M
I don't think that would work on a competent Amazo
. okay? Why?

It's literally an adaptive code that shuts off anything with Ultron's code?

Zack M
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
okay? Why?

It's literally an adaptive code that shuts off anything with Ultron's code?

Tmazo would just wish away the virus. TMazo is the most formidable AI in comics, IMO. Unless you think the virus can overcome the Worlogog.

KingD19
If Fury could adapt beyond a being as powerful as 616 Jaspers, "This version of Jaspers. Is too powerful, too dangerous. His counterpart could at least be halted, even if it meant destroying his entire continuum. This one is not so easily containable. And if he cannot be defeated, then the omniverse shall fall into chaos, and a new and hostile god shall play dice with matter." A threat to the entire omniverse adapted for(tanking and evolving beyond every trick Jaspers could think of) and you think Amazo is better?

Zack M
Originally posted by KingD19
If Fury could adapt beyond a being as powerful as 616 Jaspers, "This version of Jaspers. Is too powerful, too dangerous. His counterpart could at least be halted, even if it meant destroying his entire continuum. This one is not so easily containable. And if he cannot be defeated, then the omniverse shall fall into chaos, and a new and hostile god shall play dice with matter." A threat to the entire omniverse adapted for(tanking and evolving beyond every trick Jaspers could think of) and you think Amazo is better?

Like I said, TMazo could send him to the Timepoint with a thought. No way you can teleport out of that.

Mindset
Fury can.

Nibedicus
Aren't cosmic cube beings "technically" AI?

How about the Technarcy?

Zack M
Mother Box's would be considered AI, too, I guess. DCnU MB's are pretty damn impressive so far.

Nibedicus
Soooo...

CCU beings
Fury
Technarcy
Future Ultron (if we're using future characters from DC)
Phalanx
Worldmind

From Marvel?

KingD19
Originally posted by Mindset
Fury can.

Hahaha indeed. Fury teleported one of the most powerful reality warpers in Marvel outside of reality itself against his wishes; after evolving beyond being warped along with reality. He can adapt out of the Timepoint.

Zack M
So, the ones I have on DC's side are:

Amazo/TMazo
Brainiac 13
Solaris
Hourman 1M
Mageddon
Mother One
Pulsar Stargrave
Mother Box
Brother Eye
Computo
Tomorrow Woman
Kilg%re
Technospaiens
Manhunters
Metal Men
OMAC
OMAC Prime

Marvel's Side:

Ultron
Archenemy
Fury
Super Adaptoid
The Alephs
The Phalanx
Bastion
Worldmind
Nimdrod

Zack M
Originally posted by KingD19
Hahaha indeed. Fury teleported one of the most powerful reality warpers in Marvel outside of reality itself against his wishes; after evolving beyond being warped along with reality. He can adapt out of the Timepoint.

Any examples of teleporting out of a prison like Timepoint?

Nibedicus
You forgot the Technarcy and CCU beings.

:-p

KingD19
You're missing some Marvel people.

Zack M
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You forgot the Technarcy and CCU beings.

:-p

Didn't know CC's were AI.

KingD19
Originally posted by Zack M
Any examples of teleporting out of a prison like Timepoint?

Does there need to be? Is it harder to escape Timepoint than wrestle MJJ out of time-space and all reality against his will? After tanking everything he could throw at you? THe guy who could destroy the Omniverse?

Amazo copies powers. Fury adapts to become immune to them and evolve a way to beat the person using those powers against him. Or to solve whatever situation or crisis it's in.

Zack M
Originally posted by KingD19
Does there need to be? Is it harder to escape Timepoint than wrestle MJJ out of time-space and all reality against his will? After tanking everything he could throw at you? THe guy who could destroy the Omniverse?

I guess he could adapt, but there is still the fact that Amazo can copy his adapting abilities on top of the Worlogog and JLA abilities. Amazo would be stacked, too.

Nibedicus
Originally posted by Zack M
Didn't know CC's were AI.

CCU's are artificially created items which gained sentience.

Sounds like an AI to me (untinentional AI, but AI nonetheless). :-p

Zack M
Originally posted by Nibedicus
CCU's are artificially created items which gained sentience.

Sounds like an AI to me (untinentional AI, but AI nonetheless). :-p

Ok, list updated:

Amazo/TMazo
Brainiac 13
Solaris
Hourman 1M
Mageddon
Mother One
Pulsar Stargrave
Mother Box
Brother Eye
Computo
Tomorrow Woman
Kilg%re
Technospaiens
Manhunters
Metal Men
OMAC
OMAC Prime

Marvel's Side:

Ultron
Archenemy
Fury
CC
Technary
Super Adaptoid
The Alephs
The Phalanx
Bastion
Worldmind
Nimdrod

KingD19
Originally posted by Zack M
I guess he could adapt, but there is still the fact that Amazo can copy his adapting abilities on top of the Worlogog and JLA abilities. Amazo would be stacked, too.

And Fury would simply evolve again. Fury will always be more powerful due to the simple fact that no matter what Amazo copies, Fury can go beyond that. Amazo takes Fury to Timepoint? Fury makes sure Amazo can't leave.

Besides, you said in the first page Amazo doesn't have the Worlogog, why is it even in the conversation?

Zack M
Originally posted by KingD19
And Fury would simply evolve again. Fury will always be more powerful due to the simple fact that no matter what Amazo copies, Fury can go beyond that. Amazo takes Fury to Timepoint? Fury makes sure Amazo can't leave.

Besides, you said in the first page Amazo doesn't have the Worlogog, why is it even in the conversation?

And Amazo will adapt to be even beyond Fury. It can go both ways. We've seen Amazo copy powers and use them more intelligently than the actual user.

Zack M
Update list:

Amazo/TMazo
Brainiac 13
Solaris
Hourman 1M
Mageddon
Mother One
Pulsar Stargrave
Mother Box
Brother Eye
Computo
Tomorrow Woman
Kilg%re
Technospaiens
Indigo
Thinker
Manhunters
Spartan
Red Tornado
Red Torpedo
Red Volcano
Red Inferno
Metal Men
OMAC
Skeets
OMAC Prime

Marvel's Side:

Ultron
Archenemy
Fury
CC
Technary
Super Adaptoid
The Alephs
The Phalanx
Jocasta
Bastion
Vision
Machine Man
Jim Hammond
Worldmind
Nimdrod

Nibedicus
TechnarCHy:-p

We should cut it down to top 10 IMO. Else this is going to get rather long.

Mindset
Golgo is DC's most powerful AI.

Zack M
Originally posted by Nibedicus
TechnarCHy:-p

We should cut it down to top 10 IMO. Else this is going to get rather long.

Ok:

IMO with the lists:

Top 10 in DC:

1. Amazo/TMazo
2. Brainiac 13
3. Solaris
4. Hourman 1M
5. Brother Eye
6. Mageddon
7. Pulsar Stargrave
8. OMAC Prime
9. Computo
10. Spartan

In Marvel:

1. Fury
2. Ultron
3. Archenemy
4. Phalanx/Warlock
5. Nimrod
6. Super Adaptoid
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10. ?

I think DC's is a little bit more impressive, IMO.

Smurph
Originally posted by Mindset
Golgo is DC's most powerful AI. thumb up

Zack M
Originally posted by Mindset
Golgo is DC's most powerful AI.

I have feelings. sad

Smurph
Originally posted by Zack M
I think DC's is a little bit more impressive, IMO. Archenemy was winning against the combined might of all the lords of hell. Marvel has some key players, but fewer numbers, because you started this thread with 9 - 1.

So yeah, I guess you think DC probably does look better.

Zack M
Originally posted by Smurph
Archenemy was winning against the combined might of all the lords of hell. Marvel has some key players, but fewer numbers, because you started this thread with 9 - 1.

So yeah, I guess you think DC probably does look better.

I've read the Magik mini series with Archenemy, but he was specifically built to take on magic beings. I'm not sure how I'd rank him against Brainiac 13 or Amazo (who can copy his abilities), or even Hourman 1M. Archenemy is still a powerful player, but there are a few on DC's side who can take him, IMO.

Nibedicus
Top 5 Marvel would be (IMO)

Fury (omniversal)
CCU beings (universal)
Future Ultron (???)
Technarchy (planetary+++ , Warlock was a Technarch and they can get a lot stronger)
Phalanx

Dunno where to place the rest.

Smurph
Yeah, Magus of the Technarch was pretty powerful.

Zack M
I'll take out Spartan or Computo and place the Imperiex Probes on the list. They were wreaking havoc across the universe.

DarkSaint85
Golgo, you forgot the Thought Robot.

Zack M
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Golgo, you forgot the Thought Robot.

Not really an AI, right? If we count that, it's easily at the top of the list (Even above Fury), but I don't consider that a true AI.

Zack M
Forgot a recent one. The Metal from Swamp Thing. Like the Green, Metal is pretty formidable.

http://i68.tinypic.com/33jspyw.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/v7bc46.jpg

nwg202
Originally posted by Smurph
Yeah, Magus of the Technarch was pretty powerful.

http://i.imgur.com/xosnB79.png

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