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Krell rapes

What?...Krell clearly takes this, I'm not sure why the GI won that.

GI.

No one is convinced with Krell, just because he cut up some clones :/ Krell ROFL STOMPS this one, his feat against the clones was impressive, people just write him off because we haven't seen enough of him.

The GI isn't standing up to any notably powerful Jedi Masters. Krell hands him the two halves of his ass.

Krell rapes

GI wins, tbh.

Krell molest.

Originally posted by MythLord
GI wins, tbh.

Oh, and Rico shits on the Forcecast, knowledge wise. Aside from maybe Antoine and GreyJedi, I guess.

Rebels inquisitors are made to take down low level knights and padawans... I think the only notable Jedi GI killed was Luminara. Krell would rape Lumi...

Originally posted by MythLord
Oh, and Rico shits on the Forcecast, knowledge wise. Aside from maybe Antoine and GreyJedi, I guess.
Jensaarai has them covered in knowledge.

LOL at Krell raping Unduli. Unduli outclasses him.

And Jen has decent knowledge and a wide array of sources, but the opinions he forms are more personal head-canon.

Just because his opinions are downright gross, it doesn't affect his knowledge. BTW, I've never watch Rico is he any good?

Yeah, it kinda does. What's the point of having knowledge when you'll throw it out the window for headcanon analysis of f**king choreography?

And Antoine actually possesses several sourcebooks/novels Jensaarai doesn't and instead of cherry-picking them, he takes it all in. He's by far the best debater of the Forcecast.

And yeah, Rico's damn good. I'm tellin' you that as someone who has both watched his videos and debated him.

I'll check him out now

Rico has some good matchups I'll give him that. And then there's Jensaarai doing Zannah vs Tholme vids...

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Rico has some good matchups I'll give him that. And then there's Jensaarai doing Zannah vs Tholme vids...

And Yoda VS Malak.

"Dooku is not top tier,-"

I wanna see him using it again.

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Rebels inquisitors are made to take down low level knights and padawans... Are there any actual statements implying this? Originally posted by chingchangwalla
I think the only notable Jedi GI killed was Luminara. Krell would rape Lumi... The Grand Inquisitor executed her when she was in prison, we don't actually know if he captured her through combat. They probably never fought. And no, Krell wouldn't, lol.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Are there any actual statements implying this?

Well he's about above Kanan in S1 even during their final duel.

Also it's a point Antoine Bandele made and as far as I'm concerned he's at the very least a resource. Better than Wookiepedia.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Well he's about above Kanan in S1 even during their final duel.

Also it's a point Antoine Bandele made and as far as I'm concerned he's at the very least a resource. Better than Wookiepedia. Filoni said the best Inquisitor is ~Ventress, so they obviously aren't specifically made to be Padawan / low-Knight level, like everyone says. And before Kanan thought Ezra died the G.I. was kicking their asses, IIRC

I'm supposed to accept a point just because Antoine made it?

Originally posted by |King Joker|


I'm supposed to accept a point just because Antoine made it?


Of course

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Filoni said the best Inquisitor is ~Ventress, so they obviously aren't specifically made to be Padawan / low-Knight level, like everyone says. And before Kanan thought Ezra died the G.I. was kicking their asses, IIRC

I'm supposed to accept a point just because Antoine made it?

What's the specific quote on that? IIRC Filoni said that the best Inquisitor wouldn't exceed Ventress level not that were Ventress level.

Wonder if Filoni thinks Ventress would lose to any member of the Jedi council.

Almost certainly.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Well he's about above Kanan in S1 even during their final duel.

Also it's a point Antoine Bandele made and as far as I'm concerned he's at the very least a resource. Better than Wookiepedia.
I genuinely don't like you.

To be fair Ant, I'm sure that's applied to nearly everyone on this forum at different points in time.

Did you check Skype?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I genuinely don't like you.

You realize I'm just ****ing around right?

Oh come on, you suck off the versus makers on the regular.

Going to go when I get home.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
What's the specific quote on that? IIRC Filoni said that the best Inquisitor wouldn't exceed Ventress level not that were Ventress level. I don't have the exact quote on me, but he basically said the best Inquisitor is Ventress level, but that Ventress is probably more powerful than him/her.

It's worth noting there's a distinction between the power-levels of Canon, and the power-levels of Legends.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Oh come on, you suck off the versus makers on the regular.

Exact opposite if for Evan and Connor. I literally have one of his stupidest quotes in my signature.

For Evan I share his newest videos and even call one "Sidious is not invincible the sequel" so not sure what you mean there.

As for Antoine, his videos are fine although a occasionally disagree with him. I feel bad for him collaborating with Jensaarai on Malgus VS Kenobi. It should've been a really good video but Connor's bias ruined it.

Yeah Filoni said the best Inquisitor is around Ventress level, but probably still a bit below her.

I think he has quite a bit of respect for Ventress level as well, because he says once he doesn't think Grievous could beat someone of Ventress's caliber.

Plus remember in S1 when Ahsoka tells Luminara that no single Jedi can defeat Ventress alone. So I'm sure she's considered at least on par with most Council members.

Based on the new interview from Witwer, I now doubt that the GI was who Filoni was referring to.

Yuck yuck yuck. The Grand Inquisitor is supposed to be good, he's second only to Vader and the Emperor but what have we actually see from GI that's impressive? Losing to S1 Kanan and Ezra?

Also, Ventress is the person who forced Mace to use all of his skills to defeat her. Highly doubt the Grand Inquisitor could do the same.

#1. That quote is Legends and #2. it's a retarded quote anyways that shouldn't be taken seriously.

Yeah take that with a grain of salt. I doubt Mace was ever fully shitting himself but it's safe to say Ventress at the very least pushing him

Even going by that, the Grand Inquisitor's not doing anything similar.

I think he can replicate getting stomped by Windu, personally.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I think he can replicate getting stomped by Windu, personally.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Based on the new interview from Witwer, I now doubt that the GI was who Filoni was referring to.

What interview? Can you give some context?

With very few exceptions, Filoni's opinions are about as reliable as a pensioner's erection.

Originally posted by SunRazer
With very few exceptions, Filoni's opinions are about as reliable as a pensioner's erection.


Unfortunately when it comes to Canon he's working with the story group all the time, and was also Lucas's protege for 10+years.

So he's actually pretty qualified in bridging the gap between Lucas's canon and Disney Canon.

How dare you defend Filoni's tomfoolery

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Unfortunately when it comes to Canon he's working with the story group all the time, and was also Lucas's protege for 10+years.

So he's actually pretty qualified in bridging the gap between Lucas's canon and Disney Canon.

Lucas' canon is more or less Disney canon, lol. Lucas has only ever been an authority on his own movies, nothing else. That said, Luke's definitely portrayed to be better than what Filoni thinks, and Grievous was, too. Filoni randomly inserting in characters like Ahsoka to disrupt continuity and repeatedly breaking continuity (which includes continuity established by Lucas), is also pretty stupid.

Your prior experience doesn't matter if you butcher things. Filoni almost certainly vastly contributed to the Legends/Canon split, since he was butchering Legends continuity so much through sheer ignorance.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I think he can replicate getting stomped by Windu, personally.

Replicate?

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
How dare you defend Filoni's tomfoolery



Not defending his decisions. Just stating what his position is and how he got there.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Lucas' canon is more or less Disney canon, lol. Lucas has only ever been an authority on his own movies, nothing else. That said, Luke's definitely portrayed to be better than what Filoni thinks, and Grievous was, too. Filoni randomly inserting in characters like Ahsoka to disrupt continuity and repeatedly breaking continuity (which includes continuity established by Lucas), is also pretty stupid.



Again, not defending him per se. Just saying it how it is.

I don't know how badly Filoni butchered Luke and Grievous. He's never actually done any work on Luke, it's just his opinion.
But Believe it or not, Grievous getting beaten by Gungans was Lucas's idea. And Filoni kept telling Lucas the fans won't like that, but Lucas insisted (that's Filoni's story at least).

It's also Lucas who said ROTJ Luke was only half trained and not on Vader's level yet. Filoni takes it to another level sure, but Lucas began that line of thought.

Not sure how Ahsoka destroyed continuity. They specifically had her leave the order so she wouldn't be around in ROTS. Sure, she didn't exist previously, but That sort of thing just happens when you make prequels.



Originally posted by SunRazer
Your prior experience doesn't matter if you butcher things. Filoni almost certainly vastly contributed to the Legends/Canon split, since he was butchering Legends continuity so much through sheer ignorance.


Pretty sure the Legends/Canon split was down to Disney.

There's no way they could have made Episode 7, under the Legends continuity, without confusing the heck out of the general audience. Besides Lucas always ignored Legends anyway, even when making the Prequels. At least Disney has dedicated itself to doing things differently from here on out, with every novel and comic book counting equally towards canon.

1. Not saying that he butchered Luke, but he does expose his ignorance of established material on him with his comments.

2. It's not just the Gungans. Filoni's already made it clear that in his book, Grievous isn't all that formidable - strip away the unorthodoxy, strip away the intimidation, and your product isn't all too overwhelming. That's not how he was originally envisioned, either. Unorthodoxy and intimidation were integral parts of his skillset, but he was also supposed to be incredibly formidable even without them. Those (along with his cybernetics) were just the edges to make up for his lack of Force-sensitivity.

3. Ahsoka's a problem because the idea was for Obi-Wan and Anakin to be the best Jedi duo ever, and that was that. Call me hardcore conservative, but putting Ahsoka in ruins the sense of brotherhood and that deep, undisturbed connection that ran between them.

Besides, RotS clearly establishes that Anakin isn't of the mental age/maturity to be taking on his own padawan anyway. Yoda randomly forcing Anakin to accept Ahsoka is hilariously stupid and completely contradicts the way Jedi are supposed to take their padawans - which is an optional thing to begin with.

4. Of course the Legends split was down to Disney, but they wouldn't have had much choice to begin with given Filoni's rampant disregard for continuity.

And no, they could've worked around established Legends continuity, absolutely. There were a number of years that were left completely vacant in the Legends timeline. But of course, it is what it is. The only thing I complain about regarding Legends/Canon is that the new Canon is pretty damn terrible in comparison to Legends, even in terms of starting material. The novels in particular are a bit underwhelming. Fortunately, the comics are pretty good.

Originally posted by SunRazer
3. Ahsoka's a problem because the idea was for Obi-Wan and Anakin to be the best Jedi duo ever, and that was that. Call me hardcore conservative, but putting Ahsoka in ruins the sense of brotherhood and that deep, undisturbed connection that ran between them. I'm not really following. How does Ahsoka's inclusion ruin Kenobi's and Anakin's dynamic? Obi-Wan and Anakin still had the deep sense of brotherhood and connection all throughout TCW, even with Ahsoka's inclusion, and it shows in the episodes when it's just them and not Ahsoka. Plus, there's the fact that Ahsoka left about a year before RotS, which still leaves room for Obi-Wan's / Anakin's relationship to further develop, even if you think Ahsoka ****ed shit up.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Besides, RotS clearly establishes that Anakin isn't of the mental age/maturity to be taking on his own padawan anyway. Yoda randomly forcing Anakin to accept Ahsoka is hilariously stupid and completely contradicts the way Jedi are supposed to take their padawans - which is an optional thing to begin with. I just want to point out that Anakin didn't have to take Ahsoka if he didn't want to. That's pretty much shown in the movie after Anakin and Ahsoka destroy the shield generator and meet up with Kenobi and Yoda again.

Will leave the Ahsoka stuff for Joker to argue.


Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Not saying that he butchered Luke, but he does expose his ignorance of established material on him with his comments.


It's only an expansion of Lucas states though. Like I said he's probably the most qualified at Lucasfilm to bridge the gap between Lucas Canon and the new Disney Canon.

Originally posted by SunRazer
2. It's not just the Gungans. Filoni's already made it clear that in his book, Grievous isn't all that formidable - strip away the unorthodoxy, strip away the intimidation, and your product isn't all too overwhelming. That's not how he was originally envisioned, either. Unorthodoxy and intimidation were integral parts of his skillset, but he was also supposed to be incredibly formidable even without them. Those (along with his cybernetics) were just the edges to make up for his lack of Force-sensitivity.

I mean Unorthodox and intimidation goes back to Dooku's lesson to Grievous in both the OCW and LOE about how he would defeat the best Jedi. And even without them Filoni even outright says Grievous is clearly capable with a Saber.

And again with the Gungan thing, it goes back to my original point, that Filoni actually tries to give Grievous better treatment than Lucas cares to give him.


Originally posted by SunRazer
4. Of course the Legends split was down to Disney, but they wouldn't have had much choice to begin with given Filoni's rampant disregard for continuity.

You say that as if Filoni's in charge of Disney/Lucasfilm and not the other way around.

Originally posted by SunRazer
And no, they could've worked around established Legends continuity, absolutely. There were a number of years that were left completely vacant in the Legends timeline.

I disagree. That's just too much major stuff for the Audience not to be aware of. Things like Palpatine's resurrection, Luke's and Han's kids, the Jedi Academy e.t.c.

Legends/Canon Grievous are clearly just on different levels rather than having different proportions of attributes like unorthodoxy, IMO. The core idea has always been that if you're strong enough in the Force and are able to remain composed against the randomized onslaught Grievous can produce, along with his superhuman physicals, you're in with a chance. TCW undeniably set the bar lower than OCW and LoE. RotS is sort of a sweet spot, with the novel paying homage to Legends and the movie corresponding with TCW.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'm not really following. How does Ahsoka's inclusion ruin Kenobi's and Anakin's dynamic? Obi-Wan and Anakin still had the deep sense of brotherhood and connection all throughout TCW, even with Ahsoka's inclusion, and it shows in the episodes when it's just them and not Ahsoka. Plus, there's the fact that Ahsoka left about a year before RotS, which still leaves room for Obi-Wan's / Anakin's relationship to further develop, even if you think Ahsoka ****ed shit up.

Well, actually, I have gripes with Obi-Wan's treatment in TCW anyway, but that's talk for another day. They did do Anakin quite well at times (and utterly cancerous at other times). And the portrayal of Anakin/Obi-Wan in TCW as a duo is also pretty bad. They're constantly on separate missions (which was supposed to be a first in RotS), you have Obi-Wan fighting Grievous and Anakin fighting Dooku numerous times (which, again, retcons RotS) and the fact that people on this forum can even use TCW as the basis of an argument that Anakin and Obi-Wan's teamwork is shit speaks to how poorly the duo is portrayed together. But enough of that tangent.

As for Ahsoka, she totally disrupts that dynamic. Every single source from AotC-RotS beforehand builds up Obi-Wan and Anakin's relationship as this inseparable, unbreakable and unstoppable duo. The entire idea is to build that up to make the RotS ending as tragic as possible. Ahsoka's sudden and unwarranted interspersion in most of Anakin/Obi-Wan's activities between AotC-RotS absolutely shits all over that exposition. I know you like her as a character, so I doubt this discussion will go anywhere, but surely even you can see just how much of (an unwarranted) retcon she is?



Ahsoka was still pretty much forced on him. Regardless, it's the stupidest thing for anyone (Yoda of all people) to just assign Padawans to Knights. You and you alone choose whether or not you want a Padawan (which is why some Jedi like Saesee Tiin go their entire careers without choosing one).

That's still forgoing the fact that Anakin's barely capable of controlling himself, let alone teaching a Padawan on a regular basis. The idea is that he's still learning. He's barely even Knighted by the end of 22BBY.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's only an expansion of Lucas states though. Like I said he's probably the most qualified at Lucasfilm to bridge the gap between Lucas Canon and the new Disney Canon.

Lucas canon isn't very different to Disney canon to begin with.



Your average Jedi Knight is "capable" with a saber. The distinction is that Grievous is formidable enough to fight elite Council members in LoE/OCW, and it's not just unorthodoxy and intimidation that makes it so.



They both deviate from Grievous' conceptual ability.



It's not a matter of who's in charge. It's a matter of how much damage has already been done to continuity.



Well, if they had set a Legends Sequel Trilogy 30 years after RotJ like TFA was, this wouldn't be overwhelmingly relevant. Luke and Han's kids can be added in with no problem - they did it fine with Kylo Ren. And it's not necessary to have a full backstory on the history of the Jedi following RotJ. Again, in TFA, they managed fine. They'd also manage fine just saying that Luke had rebuilt the Order and allow that to be expanded upon by future material.

Originally posted by SunRazer


Lucas canon isn't very different to Disney canon to begin with.


So really that's what the actual canon was all along. And whatever differences there are between Lucas and Disney Canon, like I said Filoni's kind of the bridge between them.



Originally posted by SunRazer
Your average Jedi Knight is "capable" with a saber. The distinction is that Grievous is formidable enough to fight elite Council members in LoE/OCW, and it's not just unorthodoxy and intimidation that makes it so.

No, but Unorthodoxy and Intimidation were the tools Dooku always said in the OCW and LOE that Grievous would need to defeat the best of the Jedi.

And by the Best, he clearly wasn't referring to Yoda or Mace. Given his teacher himself wasn't even a match for those 2.

That said, the Council Members he came across in TCW usually resorted to Force attacks to defeat him.

Originally posted by SunRazer
They both deviate from Grievous' conceptual ability.


Well TCW was more in line with ROTS tbh. And less in line with the OCW/LOE.

Filoni would always refer to Mace's ROTS line where he states "Grievous is a coward who will always run."

That said, Filoni did always have Grievous give Obi-Wan trouble, and even had GG defeating Kenobi in the unfinished episodes, and challenging Maul in SOD.



Originally posted by SunRazer
It's not a matter of who's in charge. It's a matter of how much damage has already been done to continuity.


Tbh it's Legends continuity that was a mess. They just wanted to make more EU material coming from numerous different authors, with tons of contradictory statements, and no proper Canon panel in place until after tons of damage was already done.



Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, if they had set a Legends Sequel Trilogy 30 years after RotJ like TFA was, this wouldn't be overwhelmingly relevant. Luke and Han's kids can be added in with no problem - they did it fine with Kylo Ren. And it's not necessary to have a full backstory on the history of the Jedi following RotJ. Again, in TFA, they managed fine. They'd also manage fine just saying that Luke had rebuilt the Order and allow that to be expanded upon by future material.


There's just no way they were going to do that just to appease a few fans.

Palpatine's resurrection totally screws with the first 6 movies. Lucas himself always contradicted or outright ignored Legends at will.

Disney/Lucasfilm already Had To include Episodes 1-6 and TCW as Canon (probably part of the deal with Lucas). So why would they cuff their hands further with all the Legends stuff, when even Lucas always ignored that.

That would just make little sense, but like I said, at least they've taken it on themselves to make sure all EU going forward counts. Something Lucas never did.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So really that's what the actual canon was all along. And whatever differences there are between Lucas and Disney Canon, like I said Filoni's kind of the bridge between them.

Well, I'm kind of discussing Legends continuity here. I'm talking about how Filoni ruined it.



Which is true, but Grievous holds his own against the best of the Jedi even without them. And Grievous occasionally challenges Dooku himself prior to the LoE criticisms, as the Count himself notes. It's certainly not unorthodoxy and intimidation which allow him to do that.



Dooku is a match for Mace, and he could've well been referring to them as well, since he does mention them as being among the Jedi that Grievous can't defeat or would have trouble with(when he makes the criticisms in LoE).



Yeah, it's interesting to see him nearly beat Obi-Wan, yet struggle with Ahsoka and Nahdar at times.



Well, RotS kind of goes both ways. The novel especially has Grievous in line with OCW/LoE, and I believe the junior novel does as well. The film has Grievous not looking so deadly, indeed. Which is, of course, an affront to his character's abilities as they were originally intended.



Which doesn't exactly align with his original conceptualization either.



Any large continuity with so many writers eventually gets out of hand and involves retcons and discrepancies. The new Canon won't be free of that, either.

Filoni demonstrates his ignorance/disregard of Legends (and even Canon) continuity on numerous occasions. The implementation of Ahsoka, the way Yoda forces Ahsoka on Anakin, the way Anakin and Obi-Wan keep getting separated or keep fighting Dooku & Grievous, the fact that he had Adi Gallia killed by Savage instead of Grievous, etc. TOR and TCW were some huge offenders that damaged continuity significantly and introduced some really stupid concepts. Some of the early Legacy era was also a problem.

I will agree with you that Lucas made some laughable judgment calls too, though.



30 years after RotJ is about 25 years after DE. It's not necessary to refer to Palpatine. And the rest of your examples were already debunked. It's not impossible - as I said, there were gaps in the Legends timeline that could've easily been filled. It's just that they decided to do the revamp because the timeline was now a mess with all of the retcons. And guess which sources have the most retcons/ignorance of continuity? TOR and TCW.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, I'm kind of discussing Legends continuity here. I'm talking about how Filoni ruined it.


He didn't though. Because he was never following it in the first place. He was only following Lucas, who also never followed Legends. In fact I'd be surprised if Lucas ever even read an entire Legends novel.

That's too much of an undertaking for 1 man who created this whole Universe. It can only work with a Canon panel workign on this from the beginning, which is what they've done with the new Disney Lucasfilm Canon. And as you've mentioned there will still be contradictions and mistakes.


Originally posted by SunRazer
Which is true, but Grievous holds his own against the best of the Jedi even without them. And Grievous occasionally challenges Dooku himself prior to the LoE criticisms, as the Count himself notes. It's certainly not unorthodoxy and intimidation which allow him to do that.

Dooku is a match for Mace, and he could've well been referring to them as well, since he does mention them as being among the Jedi that Grievous can't defeat or would have trouble with(when he makes the criticisms in LoE).



Sure, but he was never truly a match for Dooku. And therefore shouldn't be for Yoda, Sidious, Mace and Anakin either.


Originally posted by SunRazer

Yeah, it's interesting to see him nearly beat Obi-Wan, yet struggle with Ahsoka and Nahdar at times.

Well he did beat Nahdar, and would have beaten Ahsoka had she not escaped. Bear in mind Filoni has Ahsoka challenging Vader.

He's not just nearly beaten, but has actually beaten Kenobi in the unfinished Kyber crystal episodes. And he was only beaten by Maul and Ventress on Dark Side nexuses.

So like I said, apart from the Big 5 I mentioned above, TCW has at least kept consistent with the idea that Grievous is capable of beating any Jedi.




Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, RotS kind of goes both ways. The novel especially has Grievous in line with OCW/LoE, and I believe the junior novel does as well. The film has Grievous not looking so deadly, indeed. Which is, of course, an affront to his character's abilities as they were originally intended.


Yes, the novel gives Grievous much more credit than the film does.



Originally posted by SunRazer
Which doesn't exactly align with his original conceptualization either.


If Lucas didn't agree with that concept then it wouldn't matter.



Originally posted by SunRazer
Any large continuity with so many writers eventually gets out of hand and involves retcons and discrepancies. The new Canon won't be free of that, either.


Addressed above.


Originally posted by SunRazer
Filoni demonstrates his ignorance/disregard of Legends (and even Canon) continuity on numerous occasions. The implementation of Ahsoka, the way Yoda forces Ahsoka on Anakin, the way Anakin and Obi-Wan keep getting separated or keep fighting Dooku & Grievous, the fact that he had Adi Gallia killed by Savage instead of Grievous, etc. TOR and TCW were some huge offenders that damaged continuity significantly and introduced some really stupid concepts. Some of the early Legacy era was also a problem.

I will agree with you that Lucas made some laughable judgment calls too, though.


Again, how can Filoni (or Lucas) ruin Legends when he was never following it in the first place?

It was the fault of Legends to try and incorporate every bit of Canon into it's continuity, including all the Prequels and TCW, despite knowing full well they were completely ignoring Legends.


Originally posted by SunRazer

30 years after RotJ is about 25 years after DE. It's not necessary to refer to Palpatine. And the rest of your examples were already debunked. It's not impossible - as I said, there were gaps in the Legends timeline that could've easily been filled. It's just that they decided to do the revamp because the timeline was now a mess with all of the retcons. And guess which sources have the most retcons/ignorance of continuity? TOR and TCW.



They wouldn't be as free though. I mean the Jedi Order wasn't wiped out 25 years after DE was it? So TFA wouldn't have been possible (not that that would be such a bad thing Lol).

And they obviously want to benefit from their own novels and comics in that time period, and keep the whole history of the Galaxy up until that point a mystery.

Again, why would they keep Legends canon just to satisfy a few fans. When Lucas himself never did? Would make no sense tbh.

Also TOR is all Legends.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
He didn't though. Because he was never following it in the first place. He was only following Lucas, who also never followed Legends. In fact I'd be surprised if Lucas ever even read an entire Legends novel.

That's too much of an undertaking for 1 man who created this whole Universe. It can only work with a Canon panel workign on this from the beginning, which is what they've done with the new Disney Lucasfilm Canon. And as you've mentioned there will still be contradictions and mistakes.

He does, actually. He borrows quite a bit from Legends, and there's some references to Legends in both the films and TCW.



Grievous isn't a match for any of the tier 9's, that much is obvious.



Filoni has a much older and presumably more more masterful Ahsoka challenging Vader, not the one who fought Grievous, lol.

And he only beat Nahdar unfairly by drawing a blaster during a bladelock. I don't recall him even being at an advantage beforehand, tbh.



It's too bad he doesn't keep up this standard consistently, which is another problem TCW has. It's by far the most inconsistent medium in SW.



There seems to be the implication that Eeth Koth is his rough equal. And Grievous doesn't consistently keep up with that standard.



Yes, it does.



I'm pretty sure he did (personally, in fact), but failed to maintain that standard for Grievous.



Legends had to incorporate canon, lol. It began as an expansion of the films. That's no fault at all.

The Prequels did not ignore Legends - it even took some Legends ideas and implemented them. TCW is by far the worst offender. Prior to that, there weren't any major timeline issues or discrepancies.



TFA was the product of a Canon revamp, lol. We're discussing a potential film with Legends intact.



Lucas ignored Legends but still allowed it to flourish, even when he made the Prequels. And yes, TOR's Legends, yet it still offends the continuity drastically.

Lucas didn't ignore Legends entirely, he drew some stuff from it into the movies. Such as Courscant as I recall and the YT-2400, my fav freighter!

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Lucas didn't ignore Legends entirely, he drew some stuff from it into the movies. Such as Courscant as I recall and the YT-2400, my fav freighter!


Yeah but same can be said for Filoni and the new Canon.

They didn't ALWAYS contradict it, and certainly borrowed elements from it (Ergo Thrawn coming to Rebels now), but they contradicted it plenty, because they were never following it in the first place. They just borrow what they like, and ignore/contradict what they don't like.

The Grand Inquisitor has been proven capable of defeating Jedi Council level foes, when he casually brought down Jocasta Nu. Meanwhile, Krell has literally no dueling feats, and caught the clones by surprise when he attacked. Had the clones gotten the drop on Krell, things would have played out way differently. There's no proof that Krell is a truly formidable melee combatant against other capable duelists.

As for the G.I. being bested by Kanan, that was an EXTREMELY situational win on Kanan's part. Just moments before, the G.I. had been easily taking down both Kanan and Ezra like they were nothing, and prior to that, the Grand Inquisitor never even actually needed more than one blade active to tool Kanan. Season 1 Kanan<<<<<<The Grand Inquisitor. Heck, the Grand Inquisitor is well above both the 7th Sister and 5th Brother, both fully trained Jedi Knights who individually rivaled Season 2 Kanan.

I just don't see a valid argument for Pong Krell winning this. He's virtually featless as far as dueling is concerned, and his performance against a bunch of clones who he got the drop on is hardly indicative of his true combative ability.

Krell eviscerates

Originally posted by Underachiever59
Just moments before, the G.I. had been easily taking down both Kanan and Ezra like they were nothing,


I woudlnt say that. Kanan gave his best performance to date against G.I. that whole fight. Even before Ezra was injured he held his own quite well. Especially so considering he had been tortured for days.

That said, I agree it was a peak performance by Kanan, and G.I. always held the TK advantage over him.