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*All-Out
*Starting distance: 6m
*Location: Near a Wrack of a Stardestroyer

TOR Team
*Darth Malgus
*Barsen`thor
*Satele Shan
*Darth Thanathon
*Darth Marr
*Scrouge

NJO Team
*Jaina Solo
*Mara Jade Skywalker
*Kyle Katarn
*Kenth Hamner
*Anakin Solo
*Saba Sebatyne

Malgus easily stomps any duo; his lightsaber affinity is at the absolute list on par with Jaina, and his Force power is something no Jedi can respond to in the slightest, he could ragdoll any Jedi here. With that skillset, he takes any duo easily, and can quite easily take out a good trio too (tho probably not Jaina, Mara and Kyle).

Barsen'thor, on the other hand, stomps anybody 1 on 1. He can kill anybody except Kenth, Mara and Kyle at any moment he wants with the Force.

Same goes for Satele.

Thanaton stomps anybody 1 on 1 with his Force power, sans Kenth.

Marr stomps anybody 1 on 1, and can take most dual-configurations, most of them very easily.

Same goes for Scourge.

Slaughterfest in favor of the TOR team.

NJO, great fight, few survivors

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Team TOR stomps. Satele BM makes it even more unfair.

Hmm... I'll restrict BM.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Team TOR stomps. Satele BM makes it even more unfair.

Team NJO could counter with battle meld.

Anyway,

Jaina > Malgus
Mara >= Barsen'thor given the starting distance
Kyle > Satele? Not sure how good she is in KotFE.
Hamner > Thanaton
Anakin > Marr
Saba > Scourge

NJO wins.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Team NJO could counter with battle meld.

Anyway,

Jaina > Malgus
Mara >= Barsen'thor given the starting distance
Kyle > Satele? Not sure how good she is in KotFE.
Hamner > Thanaton
Anakin > Marr
Saba > Scourge

NJO wins.
I don't see how Barsen'Thor is better than Mara in the force, tbh.

TOR Team. Malgus and 'thor do the heavy lifting.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
TOR Team. Malgus and 'thor do the heavy lifting.
Jaina/Mara>

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Jaina/Mara>

Only in your fanfics.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
TOR Team. Malgus and 'thor do the heavy lifting.

Personally I put Malgus in the TCW Obi Wan tier, and Jaina in between Obi Wan and Dooku.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
I don't see how Barsen'Thor is better than Mara in the force, tbh.

Act I Barsen'thor ragdolled a huge chunck of wreckage worth several tons with terrible ease.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Only in your fanfics.
I should have a debate with Ant now about Malgus vs Jaina, but he is busy.
In my fanfics Jaina is Dooku+ and Caedus still ragdolls her

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Personally I put Malgus in the TCW Obi Wan tier, and Jaina in between Obi Wan and Dooku.

Deceived Malgus = TCW Obi Wan is a decent comparison, I think. Note, however that Obi Wan is far outclassed in the force.

Where is Malgus as a Force user?

Deceived Malgus ~ around RotS Dooku
Illum Malgus ~ by scaling, at least ESB Vader

His feats and accolades support that.

Note that Malgus has some ridiculous showings even pre-Deceived, such as blasting several tons of rubble from himself and following to burn holes in a fully trained Jedi Knight that had his defenses up, with his lightning, while almost fatally injured in Aldeeran.

Dooku has flung around cruisers though, and ESB Vader can be scaled beyond his TFU counterpart and Starkiller/Galen Marek.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Act I Barsen'thor ragdolled a huge chunck of wreckage worth several tons with terrible ease.
Thats...below Hamner, by a fair marigin.
Also, Mara's barrier is awesome.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Thats...below Hamner, by a fair marigin.
Also, Mara's barrier is awesome.

That was just an example for the newbie 'thor.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dooku has flung around cruisers though, and ESB Vader can be scaled beyond his TFU counterpart and Starkiller/Galen Marek.

Dooku was amped. Vader's good all around but difficult to exactly quantify in TFU. Deceived Malgus holding back a ship with it's engines at full power (that can accelerate at dozens or hundreds of G's) is potentially superior to Vader's cathedral and certainly superior to anything Dooku did without amps. And that's still deceived Malgus.

Dooku was amped by a nexus that was almost undetectable by Ruusan, and had gradually weakened over through to the PT.

I don't see how Vader is difficult to quantify in TFU; he was choking and throwing around the same Starkiller that blew up a frigate.

As for holding back those engines, I see no examples of ships ever accelerating at that rate at low altitudes. They almost always use them when they're higher up, presumably to not kill themselves.

And that still isn't as impressive as, say, padawan Anakin's dreadnaught feat.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dooku was amped by a nexus that was almost undetectable by Ruusan, and had gradually weakened over through to the PT.

I don't see how Vader is difficult to quantify in TFU; he was choking and throwing around the same Starkiller that blew up a frigate.

As for holding back those engines, I see no examples of ships ever accelerating at that rate at low altitudes. They almost always use them when they're higher up, presumably to not kill themselves.

And that still isn't as impressive as, say, padawan Anakin's dreadnaught feat.

I'm skeptical about Dooku. He didn't show such magnitude of power before and we don't know how much the nexus affected him. It'd be cool to clarify with the author how nexus affected him.

The engines have the capacity to accelerate at dozens or hundreds of G's. The novel states that they were whining, suggesting they were at full power. How many G's a ship can sustain is debatable, Saturn V, for example, accelerated at 10G's at the launch pad. That's why I said Malgus feat is potentially superior to Vader's cathedral.

Anakin's dreadnaught feat is, too, potentially superior to his Vader's incarnation, even if due to scientific ignorance(depends on it's speed and weight) from the authors (the same argument I used to say that Malgus stalling a ship that can accelarate with such magnitude may be a result of scientific ignorance by Kemp, the same can be extended by Dooku throwing a cruiser)

I compared Vader's cathedral with Malgus' ship because they are the two, most direct telekinetic comparisons that can be made.

Despite being much less documented than either Tyranus or Vader, Malgus feats and accolades support his place among them.

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