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Its being described as Darth Vader: Year, and comes out in June.

http://www.cbr.com/darth-vader-marvel-soule-camuncoli-star-wars/

Thoughts?

http://cbr0.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Darth-Vader-1-vol-2-cover.jpg?auto=format&cs=tinysrgb&q=20&w=720&h=1106&fit=crop

Neat.

I want a Mace comic, Dooku comic, Obi comic, Annie comic.

Stop milking Vader; give the man a rest.

Marvel and their damn relaunches.

Very nice.

http://www.starwars.com/news/in-marvels-new-darth-vader-series-we-will-see-the-sith-lords-rise-the-construction-of-his-lightsaber-and-more

Ok, this sounds bad ass. I thought Gillen's Vader series was good but I wasn't a fan of the "robo-squad". This series, however, sounds far more my style as it seems like it will explore the more mythological elements of SW which I have always preferred. Soule already explored the ancient Sith a bit in the Lando comic and it was quite interesting, so I expect he will do fine here as well.

Originally posted by MythLord
I want a Mace comic, Dooku comic, Obi comic, Annie comic.

Stop milking Vader; give the man a rest.
as the resident skywalker fanboy here, yes.

Originally posted by ares834
Marvel and their damn relaunches.
how babout making vader and the lost command canon

I don't mind Vader taking centre-stage in the new canon, given that Vader has always taken centre-stage in Star Wars.

Still, I do want comics for the characters that Wollf listed. A comic on Ventress would also be nice.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I don't mind Vader taking centre-stage in the new canon, given that Vader has always taken centre-stage in Star Wars.

Still, I do want comics for the characters that Wollf listed. A comic on Ventress would also be nice.
or...
just re;ease already good vader comics as canon and make material for characters whose story is now non existent

Originally posted by MythLord
I want a Mace comic, Dooku comic, Obi comic, Annie comic.

Stop milking Vader; give the man a rest.

I wouldn't mind a Windu or Dooku mini-series, but I don't find either character interesting enough to carry an ongoing. As for Obi and Annie, because of TCW they currently have more content then anyone.

Sounds like shit.

So the reason the previous DV comic got "Cancelled" was just so they could have another #1 Issue to get the rabid fan-atics to buy it in mass?

Vaduuuur.

so bored of vader

Poor Neph.

Originally posted by ares834
I wouldn't mind a Windu or Dooku mini-series, but I don't find either character interesting enough to carry an ongoing. As for Obi and Annie, because of TCW they currently have more content then anyone.

Yeah, but you also think every episode of Rebels is a masterpiece.

Yuck.

Originally posted by MythLord
I want a Mace comic, Dooku comic, Obi comic, Annie comic.

Stop milking Vader; give the man a rest.

Yeah Mace and Dooku seriously need more stuff in the new canon.

Sounds good to me. That's how I've always envisioned their relationship after RotS.

Some preview pages:

https://news.marvel.com/comics/61383/darth-vader-rising/

Even as a Vader mark, I'm not the biggest fan of this. It really changes the feel of that whole scene and not for the better IMO.

I read that yesterday; I doubt they're actually gonna change it. More like this was what was going through Vader's head when he went apeshit.

I doubt they changed it as well, I figured it just happened immediately after the "NNNNOOOOOO!". But, yeah, hopefully it's just a dream or something.

The artwork for Vader sucks.

Personally, I think the art looks great.

All of Anakin's conflict and hesitation vanished when Padme died.

Which is stupid and makes little sense.

Did they forget the whole clone arc from season 6? That clones were programmed to kill the jedi, they didn't want to?

Originally posted by ares834
Which is stupid and makes little sense.
They also apparently have retconned Vader losing his potential, equally stupid and nonsensical

I'm really hating how they're potraying the clones here. Don't give a crap about their "brothers' dying, apparently have lost all their respect for the jedi which they were programmed to kill. And didn't Vader have a soft spot for clones?

A silver lining would be their focus on what the clones would do after the war, ubrara esque

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm really hating how they're potraying the clones here. Don't give a crap about their "brothers' dying, apparently have lost all their respect for the jedi which they were programmed to kill. And didn't Vader have a soft spot for clones?

A silver lining would be their focus on what the clones would do after the war, ubrara esque

Also that one clone acting like a goof and going on about how they can wear the red helmets!

"We can wear the red helmets guys, we just gotta catch this Jedi!"

....Like...what? Royal Guard material they are not..

Also we have...7-10 Clones able to put pressure on Vader?

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
They also apparently have retconned Vader losing his potential, equally stupid and nonsensical
No they didn't. Just he didn't start off as shitty as in Legends.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No they didn't. Just he didn't start off as shitty as in Legends.
Nah, lookie here:
https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/833437960934662145

Seen it. Doesn't mean Vader's potential was curbed (it was) - just that he started off where Anakin left off.

Chee's word isn't official Canon anyway, so that's subject to change too.

Leeland Chee is a member of the staw wars story group that controls canon.

It seems they're going that direction with chee making it a possibility, saying Lucas's word on the topic is subject to being retconned, we have vader becoming more powerful in LOTS, and then off course we get this new comic where the first page has Vader tking someone who in legends he had no buisness even touching.

Why can't disney just respect the old lore?

Doesn't make his statements auto-Canon.

Besides, Anakin's potential was literally "tear apart the very fabric of the universe" level.

Vader isn't touching that. He grew less in 23 years as a Sith than Anakin did in a year of the Clone Wars.

Thus, to me, it's obvious that he was massively capped off, hence why the Emperor was so disappointed in him.

I agree with you that, overall, Vader's being poorly represented, though.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Doesn't make his statements auto-Canon.

Besides, Anakin's potential was literally "tear apart the very fabric of the universe" level.

Vader isn't touching that. He grew less in 23 years as a Sith than Anakin did in a year of the Clone Wars.

Thus, to me, it's obvious that he was massively capped off, hence why the Emperor was so disappointed in him.

I agree with you that, overall, Vader's being poorly represented, though.
Fair points.

It sems they forget about the clones being programmed to kill the jedi against their will rather than freely betraying them which kinda sucks since the characterization of the clones was one of TCW's strongest points.

I wonder what they're going to be doing with Windu, something revolving around his relationship with dooku would be nice. As well as some dooku level feats for an apparently dooku+character

Also are they really saying that Jedi who did this Baraah thing weren't even hunted down despite being Jedi? Or maybe I'm reading it wrong but that's kinda dumb.

This Jedi Vader is gonna go after though seems interesting, but if he never trained then how would his purpose be just to fight? Training is part of fighting, it's needed.

Also, having the sole purpose of fighting doesn't seem v]like part of the jedi code.

I'm interested in what hapened to the jedi organizations outside of the order that we are exposed to in one of the tcw novels(don't recall which one)

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Fair points.

It sems they forget about the clones being programmed to kill the jedi against their will rather than freely betraying them which kinda sucks since the characterization of the clones was one of TCW's strongest points.

I wonder what they're going to be doing with Windu, something revolving around his relationship with dooku would be nice. As well as some dooku level feats for an apparently dooku+character
My perception was that once the chip was activated, it never turned off. Otherwise, the clones would kill the Jedi and then scream in shock over what they did. But they didn't - they continued serving the Empire.

I'd love for them to explore Dooku and Windu's relationship - although preferably in a TV format with a show dedicated to it (along with other TPM-era shit).

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Also are they really saying that Jedi who did this Baraah thing weren't even hunted down despite being Jedi? Or maybe I'm reading it wrong but that's kinda dumb.

This Jedi Vader is gonna go after though seems interesting, but if he never trained then how would his purpose be just to fight? Training is part of fighting, it's needed.
Hm? They survived since no clones were around them. This is just a few days after Order 66, so obviously they haven't killed all the Jedi left. The purge takes place across many years.

By training, I assume they mean in other fields of Jedi knowledge besides lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Hm? They survived since no clones were around them. This is just a few days after Order 66, so obviously they haven't killed all the Jedi left. The purge takes place across many years.

By training, I assume they mean in other fields of Jedi knowledge besides lightsaber combat.

Yeah but Vader was talking about this Barash thing or whatever, like it was some kinda failsafe and those Jedi that survived were just ignored. But maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

I was thinking that, but then the issue singles out Jedi diplomacy and research as something he didn't do, ontop of training.

But eh, I guess we'll see what this Jedi Master is made of, he looks pretty cool.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Yeah but Vader was talking about this Barash thing or whatever, like it was some kinda failsafe and those Jedi that survived were just ignored. But maybe I'm just reading it wrong.

I was thinking that, but then the issue singles out Jedi diplomacy and research as something he didn't do, ontop of training.

But eh, I guess we'll see what this Jedi Master is made of, he looks pretty cool.
I mean, it's obvious they weren't just ignored, but I imagine they weren't a priority compared to active Jedi. I imagine those sorts of Jedi would really become prioritized with the Inquisitors and whatnot.

TBH, you're thinking too deeply into it, lol.

Apparently he's more powerful than Obi-Wan (maybe Mace too, depending on how you read the blurb).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I mean, it's obvious they weren't just ignored, but I imagine they weren't a priority compared to active Jedi. I imagine those sorts of Jedi would really become prioritized with the Inquisitors and whatnot.

TBH, you're thinking too deeply into it, lol.

Apparently he's more powerful than Obi-Wan (maybe Mace too, depending on how you read the blurb).

Eh maybe I am.

Hmm...you think so? Though why Mace? Doesn't it refer to the Jedi Vader has fought? He hasn't fought Windu.

Mace doesn't count. Kenobi does. which is really thematically stupid. Obviously though this wouldn't apply to Rebels/ANH Kenobi...
Assuming Vader doesn't need a tpm Kenobi esque cheapshot to win(which would be even stupider).

We shall see then. Hopefully it'll be an awesome fight.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Doesn't make his statements auto-Canon.

Besides, Anakin's potential was literally "tear apart the very fabric of the universe" level.

Vader isn't touching that. He grew less in 23 years as a Sith than Anakin did in a year of the Clone Wars.

Thus, to me, it's obvious that he was massively capped off, hence why the Emperor was so disappointed in him.

I agree with you that, overall, Vader's being poorly represented, though.



Plus Maul also didn't progress much post TPM, so that backs you up.

Maul's potential was great, but it seems he capped off way ahead of schedule, much like Anakin, due to the fact so much of him is now machine. As I said, it looks like the major difference is that getting refitted with mechanical limbs doesn't start you way back behind like it did in Legends - just that you now can't progress forward very much.

Further, while Vader is likely "more powerful" than Anakin as of his prime, assuming he starts off directly after ROTS with his power like it seems to be the case, that doesn't mean he's better. As we seen with Anakin in TPM and AotC, Luke in ESB and ROTJ, and Rey in TFA, your Force potential is a major factor in combat since it provides you with unnatural (even compared to the best of the best) reflexes and augmentation, especially in crucial moments. Thus, I'd favor ROTS Anakin over Vader in a contest, even if Vader can lift the heavier object, and I think the Emperor would too (especially if ROTJ Luke did beat Vader in a fair fight, which seems to be how the new Canon is heading).

Oh wait, I get what you mean.

That clone characterization tho...

This new kind of Jedi philosophy... very interesting. Was hoping this jedi's design was more different from your average human male, like I was expecting an alien, but ok

Originally posted by Total Warrior
This new kind of Jedi philosophy... very interesting. Was hoping this jedi's design was more different from your average human male, like I was expecting an alien, but ok

Those clones though. "We can wear the red helmets!"

Yeah, those two clones were really funny, why did Vader kill them?

Also what's the deal with this new canon thing apparently suggesting if a Force User doesn't have a lightsaber, they are suddenly weaker?

I mean sure, I can understand to a point that without a lightsaber they lose a defense piece.

But I mean...they still have The Force, that is their main weapon not their lightsaber and you can't just get rid of it by knocking it out of the guy's hands or grab it from their belt. It's far greater than a lightsaber.

Without their lightsaber, throats can still be crushed, objects can still be thrown, could still speedblitz etc.

Uh... Pretty sure that's not a thing.

Originally posted by ares834
Uh... Pretty sure that's not a thing.

It seems like it.

Poor Vader got his ass kicked.

Anyway, another subpar issue. This series is nowhere near as good as the last.

Well that was....something, also did I read right that Vader's ship was damaged by...art? Really?...Marvel/Disney...the hell are you doing?

Vader got stomped hard.

By whom?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
By whom?

By Jedi Master Kirak Infil'a. Though Vader was damaged before the fight.

Still though and his ship was damaged by artwork.

https://media.giphy.com/media/uY0zZnQqZD8Jy/giphy.gif

Yoda > Kirak > Vader > Sidious.

Well, it's okay for Vader to lose since he's still adjusting himself to his cybernetics but fug, he was completely dominated. Looked like Dooku vs Obi Wan in AotC.

http://share.gifyoutube.com/Kjrnbg.gif

GG no re.

Is it a powerup if he just beats him because he's fully recovered rather then losing because he was injured/weakened?

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Well, it's okay for Vader to lose since he's still adjusting himself to his cybernetics but fug, he was completely dominated. Looked like Dooku vs Obi Wan in AotC.

Purge series did it better tbh, he was still adjusting yet still kicked major butt.

He sustained damage when tons of water hit him when the dam let loose, was attacked by those massive birds, survived a ship crash, and wasn't even using his real lightsaber. So yeah.

Yea, lmao at anyone who tries to pass that off as a valid victory. The dude didn't actually do anything to him, Vader's leg just got broken because of prior damage.

Still, this series has sucked so far

All that is needed for anti-Vader fanatics.

If he does not completely dominate ever opponent he automatically loses to their favorite character.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yea, lmao at anyone who tries to pass that off as a valid victory. The dude didn't actually do anything to him, Vader's leg just got broken because of prior damage.

Still, this series has sucked so far

Those clones last issue though haha.

Ya'll talking shit when that guy probably Dooku level.

So far its decent but not as good as the other Vader series.

Nice to see Vader actually struggle.

Actually, at a first glance I tought Kirak had destroyed Vader's leg but looking a second time it, indeed, broke due prior damage. Pretty lame still.

On a note, it kinda reminds me of that one Legends Tales comic where Maul came across Siolo'urmanka in that one Tales comic. The isolated Jedi Master who kept away from the Jedi Order and was considered one of their best fighters. Maul gets his butt beat, but then second round he comes in with the win.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Ya'll talking shit when that guy probably Dooku level.
I mean, the quote implies he's> ROTS Kenobi

Originally posted by Zenwolf
On a note, it kinda reminds me of that one Legends Tales comic where Maul came across Siolo'urmanka in that one Tales comic. The isolated Jedi Master who kept away from the Jedi Order and was considered one of their best fighters. Maul gets his butt beat, but then second round he comes in with the win.
*via cheapshot after being pathetically stomped a second time

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
*via cheapshot after being pathetically stomped a second time

Well yeah. Maybe something similar shall happen. Or just random Vader powerup comes.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Well yeah. Maybe something similar shall happen. Or just random Vader powerup comes.
why doesn vader need a powerup? The loss wasn't legitmate and we've already seen he's more powerful given his ability to choke him

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
why doesn vader need a powerup? The loss wasn't legitmate and we've already seen he's more powerful given his ability to choke him

Which the guy then promptly got out of that choke. But we shall see, hopefully it's not lame.

Tbh though, not really getting why in these last couple of issues, Vader's armor has been treated as if it were paper.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
why doesn vader need a powerup? The loss wasn't legitmate and we've already seen he's more powerful given his ability to choke him

Vader tried to choke him but was repelled hard. The Force Push Vader received was as legit as the Force Choke he tried to apply on Kirak.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Vader tried to choke him but was repelled hard. The Force Push Vader received was as legit as the Force Choke he tried to apply on Kirak.
Fair enough actually.

This guy is essentially Dooku 2.0: Exclusively spends his entire life doing nothing but practicing lightsaber technique, and is seen blocking Vader's TK (albeit Vader was injured). However, IDK why people don't think Vader should be able to kill him. We saw what peak Vader can do, and that's hurl Sidious back against the wall and pin him there. Granted the circumstance of that will be hard to replicate (Vader realized he lost everything and Sidious betrayed him), but if you bring that Vader, with that level rage and hatred, against this Jedi, I'd favor Vader.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This guy is essentially Dooku 2.0: Exclusively spends his entire life doing nothing but practicing lightsaber technique, and is seen blocking Vader's TK (albeit Vader was injured). However, IDK why people don't think Vader should be able to kill him. We saw what peak Vader can do, and that's hurl Sidious back against the wall and pin him there. Granted the circumstance of that will be hard to replicate (Vader realized he lost everything and Sidious betrayed him), but if you bring that Vader, with that level rage and hatred, against this Jedi, I'd favor Vader.

Eh I can't see Vader bringing that level frankly against some Jedi Master who he holds no relations with.

Then again stranger things have happened in these new SW comic series soo...who knows.

Maul was never stomped, let alone twice. MAUL was caught off guard in the first fight and let himself be beat in the second one.

...

Words cannot describe how terrible that fight was....hell it wasn't even a fight. I mean I get it, cause Vader was damaged and everything. But..I mean, it was still so disappointing.

He's so focused in killing the Sith that destroyed the Jedi but can't even set his priorities straight...

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
He's so focused in killing the Sith that destroyed the Jedi but can't even set his priorities straight...

Well he's still a Jedi, preventing harm to innocent people is kinda their Achilles heel.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Well he's still a Jedi, preventing harm to innocent people is kinda their Achilles heel.

He can't prevent harm to innocent people when he's dead. That was probably one of the dumbest moments I can even remember in the mythos. It also felt contradictory that a very introspective Jedi that prepared himself for that moment would be triggered so easily.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
He can't prevent harm to innocent people when he's dead. That was probably one of the dumbest moments I can even remember in the mythos. It also felt contradictory that a very introspective Jedi that prepared himself for that moment would be triggered so easily.

True.

@Ares, yeah...and apparently from what I've read, Marvel has some of their best talent working on the SW comics?...Doesn't really seem like it.

But yeah, how can I care for the character...if they don't really do anything. Vader vs the Ninth Assassin in Legends was great, cause you got to also know the Assassin and the end fight was great because of that.

I mean overall I found the issue fine, characters not too much.

I thought it was cool, tbh. It wasn't changing the world but it was entertaining.

Canon is failing really hard in the realm of comics and novels, it seems.

The only comic that I've really liked so far is the Kanan comic. I haven't read a lot of the others, but the pre-TPM Maul one was pretty mediocre and the first couple of issues from the 2015 Vader series didn't grasp me.

As for novels, the only genuinely good ones that I have read have been Bloodline and Thrawn (I'll be reading Lost Stars soon though which I hear is great). The rest, pretty underwhelming. But I'd agree that the quality isn't that much below Legends.

Unfortunately, Canon is focusing way too much on the main characters, like you said. Even with the anthology films, they seem to have a preference for continuing stories with the main characters. Rogue One seems to have just been a welcome one-off, tbh -- hopefully, they continue down the road of RO, but I doubt they will.

Completely forgot about the Kanan comics. Those were quite good.

While I think Canon and Legends are pretty much equal if we're talking overall quality... By the end there Legends had tightened up into a lean mean machine who's content was generally pretty high quality. Canon doesn't match late Legends in content.

Give it some time. Barring Tales of The Jedi and The Thrawn Trilogy, Legends was ehhh for 20+ years, lel.

It wasn't until the 2000's did Legends continuity really take off.

I just read all four issues of this comic and holy ****, that Jedi was retarded.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
While I think Canon and Legends are pretty much equal if we're talking overall quality... By the end there Legends had tightened up into a lean mean machine who's content was generally pretty high quality. Canon doesn't match late Legends in content.

Huh? Legends was absolute shit by the end. LotF/FotJ and SWTOR pretty much ruined anything good they had.

Talking novels and comics.

Well FotJ are novels. As for the comics, pretty much everything near the end was forgettable. They didn't have a good recurring series since Legacy ended in 2010 (and I was no fan of that).

I didn't mind FotJ personally. Mediocre but not terrible. Same with the comics.