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Fernus vs HP Doomsday

Who wins?

IIRC both defeated impressive JLA teams.

Can Fernus replicate Chester's feat? I think he can.

Fernus ftw.

Ches simply planted an idea in DD's mind and set him loose(he essentially made DD think the Probes were Superman.) Even IF Fernus could duplicate that feat, it likely wouldn't help him for very long in a forum setting, given the default battlefield on KMC is a relatively small, featureless environment. That said, it probably wouldn't take long for DD to realize that Fernus is the only being on the field for him to attack. As for actually trying to control DD's mind to any extent: that usually doesn't end well... For anyone. /shrug

Imo.




...But more importantly...

Fernus vs. Plastic Man:
https://s29.postimg.org/sya2e4yyb/JLA_088_2003_digital-_Empire_017.jpg https://s29.postimg.org/hag0jl9tf/JLA_088_2003_digital-_Empire_018.jpg https://s29.postimg.org/ryjrifjsj/JLA_088_2003_digital-_Empire_019.jpg https://s29.postimg.org/5cj1jfvg3/JLA_088_2003_digital-_Empire_020.jpg https://s29.postimg.org/rn2b5o3cj/JLA_089_2003_digital-_Empire_004.jpg https://s15.postimg.org/p2q92p2s7/JLA_089_2003_digital-_Empire_005.jpg


Doomsday vs. Plastic Man:
http://i.imgur.com/xgjhUMml.jpg


haw-som

yeah, fernus might make some type of suggestive attack, but....with no one around to nudge him towards, this would end quickly and badly for fernus. that's assuming he wouldn't have simply evolved beyond that type of attack. /shrug

Didn't Brainiac mind control Doomsday? Not permanently, obv, but long enough to count as a forum win?

^ While DD was in a stasis, yes.

Even Brainiac made it quite clear that the 'procedure' would NOT have worked otherwise(and like you said: his control ultimately failed anyway, because DD's mind cannot be controlled for long.)

Brainiac's peon took him out of stasis. Iirc, DD started trashing Brainiac's lab right before Brainy transferred his mind into DD. He did mind control him for quite some time.
Darktaint may have something here.

^ That was very case-specific, though, as DD had just come out of a complete stasis literally seconds before Brainiac overtook him. I certainly don't think that equates to Fernus being able to waltz up and mind-rape a fully raging DD or w/e -- especially given the instances where extremely uber telepaths, like Maxima and Bloodwynd/J'onn, were explicitly unable to phuck with DD's mind, due to him being "rage incarnate" or whathaveyou. Even Eradicator, who is pure energy/information, was only able to overtake the unconscious mind/body of a clone of the original Doomsday for a few minutes, before it spit him out for the same reason(s)... Doomsday's mind may be relatively simplistic, but it is also extremely formidable. /shrug

That said, is it possible that Fernus can insert subtle telepathic suggestions into DD's mind, like Ches did? Most likely. Would that help him much in this specific battle? Probably not. Tbh, I'd wager that even IF it worked, DD(especially THIS iteration) would swiftly evolve immunity to Fernus' TP -- it certainly wouldn't be the only esoteric power he's adapted beyond on the fly. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
^ That was very case-specific, though, as DD had just come out of a complete stasis literally seconds before Brainiac overtook him. I certainly don't think that equates to Fernus being able to waltz up and mind-rape a fully raging DD or w/e -- especially given the instances where extremely uber telepaths, like Maxima and Bloodwynd/J'onn, were explicitly unable to phuck with DD's mind, due to him being "rage incarnate" or whathaveyou. Even Eradicator, who is pure energy/information, was only able to overtake the unconscious mind/body of a clone of the original Doomsday for a few minutes, before it spit him out for the same reason(s)... Doomsday's mind may be relatively simplistic, but it is also extremely formidable. /shrug

That said, is it possible that Fernus can insert subtle telepathic suggestions into DD's mind, like Ches did? Most likely. Would that help him much in this specific battle? Probably not. Tbh, I'd wager that even IF it worked, DD(especially THIS iteration) would swiftly evolve immunity to Fernus' TP -- it certainly wouldn't be the only esoteric power he's adapted beyond on the fly. /shrug
Wasn't he basically in full rage mode when Brainy transferred his mind into DD?
DD was trapped in stasis immediately after the point he was sent to the end of time by Supes/Waverider.
The moment the stasis was dropped, he went straight into trashing the place.
I guess this comes down to whether Fernus's tp is on par with Brainy's?

Also I think it was only Max who tried mind phukking DoS DD on panel. Bloodwynd seems to have let her do it because he was being secretive about his powers.

^ 'Full' rage-mode? No. His 'standard' rage-mode? Possibly.

I was more referring to Doomsday Rex(a FAR inferior clone of the original) outright beating J'onn's telepathy:
http://i.imgur.com/qa7oMWJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Aq7WMbg.jpg

*And before anyone says: "that's only cuz Rex wuz intelligent!!!!!" -- I would remind you that it was made abundantly clear that Rex's intelligence/sentience only made him WEAKER than the original.

Sharing fts?

#DoomsdayisDoomsday

^

Originally posted by carver9
Sharing fts? I would love to hear your explanation as to why that isn't usable... Then I will follow-up with the facts.

DD.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ 'Full' rage-mode? No. His 'standard' rage-mode? Possibly.

I was more referring to Doomsday Rex(a FAR inferior clone of the original) outright beating J'onn's telepathy:

*And before anyone says: "that's only cuz Rex wuz intelligent!!!!!" -- I would remind you that it was made abundantly clear that Rex's intelligence/sentience only made him WEAKER than the original. No your absolutely right. In superman v2 #175 it was specifically mentioned that dd rex was literally cloned from the remnants of the original dd after imperiex killed him in owaw. Only difference is that rex was also spliced with a bit of kryptonian DNA to make him more controllable via kryptonite exploitation. He was also more intelligent than the original but like you said that only made him weaker.

Tldr; rex's feats are absolutely indicative of what the original dd can do. The original was far superior afterall.

Originally posted by Galan007
I would love to hear your explanation as to why that isn't usable... Then I will follow-up with the facts.

Do I really need to answer this question?

Originally posted by carver9
Do I really need to answer this question? If you're against my using it, then yes, I want you to give me a logical explanation.

...After you rant nonsensically, I will give you the facts.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
No your absolutely right. In superman v2 #175 it was specifically mentioned that dd rex was literally cloned from the remnants of the original dd after imperiex killed him in owaw. Only difference is that rex was also spliced with a bit of kryptonian DNA to make him more controllable via kryptonite exploitation. He was also more intelligent than the original but like you said that only made him weaker.

Tldr; rex's feats are absolutely indicative of what the original dd can do. The original was far superior afterall. Indeed.

Rex even had the original's memories, ffs.

Originally posted by Galan007
If you're against my using it, then yes, I want you to give me a logical explanation.

...After you rant nonsensically, I will give you the facts.

Indeed.

Rex even had the original's memories, ffs.

Lol...so now we are calling debating ranting?

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so now we are calling debating ranting?

No, you're calling your ranting debating. Big difference.

Every thread takes a turn once Carver9 posts

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...so now we are calling debating ranting? Still waiting on your "logical explanation".

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Every thread takes a turn once Carver9 posts

That's art. Expect 9 pages of me and Galan going back and forth with me providing facts while Galan turn red in the face due to anger (because of my stompage).

Your faux-trolling is cute as always.

Once again...
Originally posted by Galan007
Still waiting on your "logical explanation".

Get him, carver. Don't be scared of this e-bully.

Originally posted by Galan007
Doomsday vs. Plastic Man:
http://i.imgur.com/xgjhUMml.jpg


haw-som

Such great writing...

Shut up Stilt. Carver is going to finally rid us of the Galan menace.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Such great writing... ikr?

They just don't make em like that anymore...

Originally posted by Galan007
^ 'Full' rage-mode? No. His 'standard' rage-mode? Possibly.

I was more referring to Doomsday Rex(a FAR inferior clone of the original) outright beating J'onn's telepathy:
http://i.imgur.com/qa7oMWJ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Aq7WMbg.jpg

*And before anyone says: "that's only cuz Rex wuz intelligent!!!!!" -- I would remind you that it was made abundantly clear that Rex's intelligence/sentience only made him WEAKER than the original.
Rage mode in H/P is pretty phukkin scary full or not.
U did say Bloodwynd and Max so obviously I thought u meant the instance in DoS.

One would think Fernus is > J'onn no? Even in tp...?
In any case, that was a pretty gud feat for Brainiac the way he fully took over H/P DD's mind/body.

Originally posted by Galan007
Your faux-trolling is cute as always.

Once again...

The same reason we don't use OWAW Superman in a standard Superman thread or all of Green Scar fts in a WWH thread or...

All of these beings are the same character with memorization of everything that happened beforehand but it is still not acceptable per KMC (not carver9).

You get the point. It's not like HP doesn't have enough fts of his own to cling too in this thread.



Now does that seem like ranting?

Forum rules:



So STRONGER incarnations of Hulk can, more often than not, accomplish what weaker versions can accomplish.



So in THIS thread, a STRONGER version of DD etc etc.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
One would think Fernus is > J'onn no? Even in tp...? He'd have to be many times more powerful than J'onn to even have a shot at significantly affecting DD's mind, given that a far inferior version of the original was entirely unaffected by a head-on telepathic attack. /shrug

Originally posted by carver9
Now does that seem like ranting? No, just sounds like you legitimately do not have a clue what you're talking about.

Originally posted by carver9
The same reason we don't use OWAW Superman in a standard Superman thread or all of Green Scar fts in a WWH thread or...

All of these beings are the same character with memorization of everything that happened beforehand but it is still not acceptable per KMC (not carver9).

You get the point. It's not like HP doesn't have enough fts of his own to cling too in this thread.



Now does that seem like ranting? I dont think ur understanding the logic here. dd rex -the version who shrugged off mm's telepathy in superman 175- is much much weaker then the original. So why on earth wouldnt the infinitely stronger version of dd in this thread be able to at least duplicate the feats of one of its weaker clones?

ESPECIALLY, Deadpool, once you get some context of carver's butthurt.

He's a massive Hulk fan, who always argues that all Hulks are the same - Savage, WWH, WBH etc.

IOW, everytime there's a Hulk in a thread, he has the ability to go WBH and stomp, therefore, Hulk should always have WBH's feats. Hence, the forum ruling which he is so passionately and eloquently ranting against.

for real? how's he lasted almost 13 years here then?

that is a great question. mmm

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
for real? how's he lasted almost 13 years here then? He's an admin

Originally posted by carver9
I was still here before him though. My Derrick acct (forgot the password) was registered back in 2001.

http://i65.tinypic.com/f2j3bm.jpg

^ For comparison, here's Rexxx's registration date

If this place is the universe, he only lost ultimate powers due to ineptitude

Either carver made the account just as he got out of his mother's womb, or he's a 30ish years old retard.

I'm not sure which is better.

Then again, quanchi was like 30+ also, and he was indistinguishable from a 9 year old? So things like this happen.

Just stop.

Originally posted by carver9
Just stop.

I agree. This says it well about the outrageous and unfair way people treat you.

Originally posted by cdtm
People troll him.

With knowledge.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
He's an admin



http://i65.tinypic.com/f2j3bm.jpg

^ For comparison, here's Rexxx's registration date

If this place is the universe, he only lost ultimate powers due to ineptitude

Goddamn it, you made me laugh out loud in public.