SSJ3 Goku (Start of Super) vs Mystic Gohan (Buu Saga)

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cdtm
Who wins?

Ridley_Prime
Since it's not Pussyhan but Gohan at his prime pre-Super, he wins.

StiltmanFTW
Gohan dies.

Ridley_Prime
Only if a Toriyama plot demanded it, but here in versus threads CIS is generally excluded.

Damborgson
So Mystic Gohan vs Ssj3 Goku? Gohan should beat the hell out of him.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Only if a Toriyama plot demanded it, but here in versus threads CIS is generally excluded.

DBS started pretty much right after the Buu Saga, right? Or there was some time gap of any siginificance?

Gohan went Mystic and got b!tched with utter ease in the BoG retelling, so... either he got weaker... or Goku got stronger... or Gohan, even at his absolute best, was really nothing to write home about in the first place grin

Tondemonai
Gohan

Dark-Kenshin
Goku via warp kamehameha spam.

vansonbee
Goku probably gonna lose here, he had some extra training to his ssj3 form, but Gohan still to much for him. Gohan in BOG was confirmed not to have access to his mystic form until way later on with Piccolo training in Super.

Ridley_Prime
In BotG, both the movie and Super arc version, it looked like he was using his Mystic form power. However, he no doubt lost it by RoF, much as some tried to deny it.

Inedian
Looking at official Dragon Ball Timeline, Super is four years after Majin Buu Saga. Revival of F is only one year after BoG.

Gohan in DBS was never on a level of his Mystic Self. After training with Piccolo, it was first time in years he came on that level (and currently even above it).

cdtm
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
Goku via warp kamehameha spam.

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Those warp attacks are a great equalizer. Gohan would need to be so far above Goku that he could tank his best Kamehameha point blank.

Kento
Originally posted by cdtm
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Those warp attacks are a great equalizer. Gohan would need to be so far above Goku that he could tank his best Kamehameha point blank. which he could. laughing

It's basically the ssj3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan Buu saga all over again.

And Mystic Gohan was at least 10x more powerful. And we seen how well Gohan wrecked Cell being maybe 3x more powerful if not just 2x.

Damborgson
Yeah, Mystic Gohan was well above Goku. Goku admitted to being below Super Buu, even with Vegetas help.

Henry_Pym
Goku, hell SSJ Vegeta in his Rage mode probably slaps him to death. Piccolo pretty much told us that Gohan was a terrible fighter but just had alot of power which makes sense as he was born with incredible power and has had alot of haxx power ups (potential unleash, SSJ2 asspull, Mystic form not to mention his child forms rage mode and Oozaru forms. )

NewGuy01
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
DBS started pretty much right after the Buu Saga, right? Or there was some time gap of any siginificance?

Gohan went Mystic and got b!tched with utter ease in the BoG retelling, so... either he got weaker... or Goku got stronger... or Gohan, even at his absolute best, was really nothing to write home about in the first place grin

Dark-Kenshin
Originally posted by Kento
which he could. laughing

It's basically the ssj3 Goku vs Mystic Gohan Buu saga all over again.

And Mystic Gohan was at least 10x more powerful. And we seen how well Gohan wrecked Cell being maybe 3x more powerful if not just 2x. As we saw against Perfect Cell, off guard attacks are supreme. And unlike Cell, Gohan won't have the benefit regen. And as we saw with the recent Gohan vs Piccolo battle, getting Gohan off his guard is like shooting fish in a barrel.

cdtm
Krillin vs Gohan rematch:

I'm wearing sunglasses against you.

Here I come! Kame-hame--

LOL, that can't hurt me! Look, you even missed!

Boomerang-hameha!

Re-rematch:

Little side mirrors attached to my sunglasses!

UNDERGROUND KIENZEN.

re-re-rematch:

Glasses, mirror, fighting in the sky.

Lool over there!

Huh?

JUSTICE PUNCH!

Kento
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
As we saw against Perfect Cell, off guard attacks are supreme. And unlike Cell, Gohan won't have the benefit regen. And as we saw with the recent Gohan vs Piccolo battle, getting Gohan off his guard is like shooting fish in a barrel. The vastly inferior Vegeta was able to harm Cell with a Final Flash. Cell never needed to be the most durable, when he had regen also. I mean look at Buu, the worst durability in the series. It would be more like ssj Goku vs Broli. Gohan would tank that blast like nothing. Gohan, until Super, never lost because he wasn't able to tank the attacks. Gohan lost because he didn't finish his opponent off right away. It's the exact opposite of Goku, who wins because his opponent doesn't finish him off right away.

Oh wait, nope Goku wins.

Dark-Kenshin
Originally posted by Kento
Oh wait, nope Goku wins. More or less.

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Here, we see for ourselves what a random ki blast from Piccolo can do to an off guard Mystic Gohan. If Piccolo can do that with a random ki blast, just imagine what a fully charged up super kamehameha from SSJ3 Goku could do (not that it's necessary to win here in light of the above clip). Not to mention that if it's a fight to the death, just trade out the kamehameha with a destructo disc and Goku has this in the bag.

Durability in DB seems to be tied around active concentration. When your guard is up, attacks that could destroy a planet won't even scratch your chin (see SSJ Goku vs Frieza). When your guard is down, you can be mortally wounded by a random ass lazer gun (see SSJB Goku vs Golden Frieza circa ROF arc). When Goku fought Majin Vegeta, it was a stalemate. However, the minute Goku let his guard down, Vegeta effortlessly KO'd him in one blow. Hell, this series has even gone to truly asinine lengths with this concept (ordinary machine gun bullets scratching current Goku's arm and piercing current Krillin's).

Kento
Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
More or less! Check this out:

RqVfg627fTs

Follow the dialogue closely. Here, we see for ourselves what a random ki blast from Piccolo can do to an off guard Mystic Gohan. If Piccolo can do that with a random ki blast, just imagine what a fully charged up super kamehameha from SSJ3 Goku could do (not that it's necessary to win here in light of the above clip). Not to mention that if it's a fight to the death, just trade out the kamehameha with a destructo disc and Goku has this in the bag.

Durability in DB seems to be tied around active concentration. When your guard is up, attacks that could destroy a planet won't even scratch your chin (see SSJ Goku vs Frieza). When your guard is down, you can be mortally wounded by a random ass lazer gun (see SSJB Goku vs Golden Frieza circa ROF arc). When Goku fought Majin Vegeta, it was a stalemate. However, the minute Goku let his guard down, Vegeta effortlessly KO'd him in one blow. Hell, this series has even gone to truly asinine lengths with this concept (ordinary machine gun bullets scratching current Goku's arm and piercing current Krillin's). Yes, but Gohan thought the fight was over, Goku warp kamehameha wouldn't be thinking fight was over. Also Gohan isn't Goku, and Goku is the one who is always getting hurt or whatever by guard downs. Majin Vegeta, Sorbet, Freeza in the newest episode, a rock to the head by Krillin. Gohan is the opposite, he goes Vegeta's route, and gets overly cocky when he is stronger than someone. The difference is, Vegeta lets them get stronger, and against Gohan they just pull out something that he can't stop and get away from him and then end up more powerful.

Zack Fair
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Gohan dies.

Seriously.

Gohan dies.

dvampire
The planet is made up of mostly rock. So a ki energy that hits the earth will break it apart causing a chain reaction. Not the same with some types of metals. If ki was very lethal, trunks sword would have incinerated a long time ago.

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