Originally posted by basilisk
Good fight - some interesting debates going on here.
Can he make opaque shields? Probably he might be able to draw matter into them. But in any case, CM said "certain forms of energy" which may not refer to visible light. Actually magnetic field shielding shouldn't really affect most of the energy CM could transmute to - gamma rays, radio waves etc. Even allowing for Magneto's seemingly extra non-magnetic powers that seem to give some limited effect on these, she may just have better control of her own (non-magnetic) energy while he is the master of magnetism. She also turned into neutrinos on occasion, which Magneto shouldn't have any effect on, and which he has never been shown to be able to control. But CM is a topic for another day just thought it was interesting...
yeah, thing with mags though is he has been shown to be able to control/affect the entire EM spectrum. he's even gone invisible in the past. his shields have held effortlessly against a nuclear detonation and that of course releases...nearly every type of radiation you can think of including gamma and x-rays. even your neutrino example might not be true as they can be affected by strong magnetic fields. of course that's in RL and mags' powers don't always reflect what he could do in the real world. his shields have held against...damn near everything including energy that isn't even em in nature. again, proteus:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/20066/1159001-magnetovsproteus2.jpg
tbh, i've sort of always seen that monica scene as a bit of PIS. he's easily had his shields constantly shifting through frequencies and almost anything she could become he should be able to stop. visible light is the most obvious by-pass imo and explains what happened there. to me at least. had he expected her, based on his feats of the past, i'd say he could keep her out.
could monica's own control though supersede his so she sort of...bludgeon's her way through his shield? maybe. but you're right, that is something altogether different. sersi is not cm in terms of energy manipulation so it's a bit moot. cm vs mags is a good thread discussion though.
well, in galactic storm, she wasn't able to penetrate a force field that surrounded a space ship--not without thor and quasar's help, and pretty sure that would be a pretty basic type of force field.
and here again, she can't transmute the cuffs she's held in, or in fact any of the brethren at all:
https://imgur.com/a/RooQN
and certainly neither the brethren nor their tech is especially awesome. they were tough enough to be sure, but.... like i said to zop--complex structure can cause her powers to fail. his shields, with shifting frequencies, are enormously comlex. and i don't see her being able to challenge his control over the em field in anyway. she's got decent energy control, but this is mags' strength. again, she's not monica.
he was at full power, but he did divide his consciousness by possessing a couple others. he was still capable of altering reality at a whim and magneto himself was actually dying during the battle. if we allow for proteus to be slightly weakened, mags was likely more so, relatively.
his shields would block whatever she threw at him anyway. and you're right, she has pretty good defenses, but it may come down to the better multi-tasker. mag's can easily keep his shields up and fight with his full power--he did it against proteus. she doesn't really have those types of showings to my knowledge. could she shield and attack? i dunno. shrug we know he can though, and has throughout his career.
you're right too in the sense that he may not be able to 'kill' her, or control the iron in her blood, but sheer impact and blunt trauma have been enough to ko her on several occasions, so control of her structure wouldn't mean much if he ko'd her with a blast, like for example blastarr has done, pretty easily, in the past. and mag's powers are definitely on par, at least, with blastarr's.
agreed. if she gets really creative, and he doesn't realize what's happening, she could take him out. i just don't see her turning him into a toad through his shields. her powers were maxxed against exodus, someone else she couldn't affect--in fact her powers were barely enough to hold him, briefly, in their first encounter. if she couldn't penetrate his psionic shields, i don't like her odds of simply bypassing mag's shields.
mostly the way i see it though i'd give magneto the edge here. if it went on for too long she'd win through attrition given her stamina advantage. i just think the majority of her greatest weapons--tp/tk, transmutation--would be fairly useless against him, at least directly. she'd need to be really smart and creative to find a way to bypass his shields while being real careful not to get ko'd before she found something that worked.
