Imperiex Probe vs. Thor/Beta Ray Bill

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carthage
The Imperiex Probe that beat up Mongul and Superman in Superman 153 Vs Standard Thor

Fight takes place on neutral terrain
No BfR

abhilegend
The probe destroys both. It defeated 100,000 daxamites too and each of them were described as roughly equal to Power Girl in power.

Pillow Biter
The keys details of the Imperiex vs Daxamite fight aren't fully covered--could be the Probes destroyed the yellow-sun-providing armor of the Daxamites.

That said, Probes were pretty powerful. Their only real weakness is a degree of brittleness--attacks that penetrate their shell will explode them. Of course, their outer shell is well past elite-top-tier levels of invulnerability.

Superman already had to go past his normal levels to beat the first one. And he needed a power stunt. But he was still several levels down from the peak power levels he showed in OWAW.

I think that Thor and BRB do less well than Superman and Mongul here overall, but eventually they figure out how to use the Godblast to beat one. BRB holds the Probe up and Thor sets up the blast. The resulting explosion does to BRB what the explosion did to Wonder Woman. BRB is near death.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
The keys details of the Imperiex vs Daxamite fight aren't fully covered--could be the Probes destroyed the yellow-sun-providing armor of the Daxamites.

That said, Probes were pretty powerful. Their only real weakness is a degree of brittleness--attacks that penetrate their shell will explode them. Of course, their outer shell is well past elite-top-tier levels of invulnerability.

Superman already had to go past his normal levels to beat the first one. And he needed a power stunt. But he was still several levels down from the peak power levels he showed in OWAW.

I think that Thor and BRB do less well than Superman and Mongul here overall, but eventually they figure out how to use the Godblast to beat one. BRB holds the Probe up and Thor sets up the blast. The resulting explosion does to BRB what the explosion did to Wonder Woman. BRB is near death.
They were not. The follow up was shown in JSA Our World's at war where they were full powered and powering Imperiex's ship.

Pillow Biter
I just mean that a single Probe beating 100,000 Daxamites in a simple way--simply overpowering them--doesn't really jibe with the rest of their showings. Even given the inherent variability of the comics medium, one has to assume that a writer would know this is a huge outlier. So given the above, it would be nice to have more details from the battle than we got. Do you think Zod could have beaten 100,000 Daxamites? He beat a Probe.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I just mean that a single Probe beating 100,000 Daxamites in a simple way--simply overpowering them--doesn't really jibe with the rest of their showings. Even given the inherent variability of the comics medium, one has to assume that a writer would know this is a huge outlier. So given the above, it would be nice to have more details from the battle than we got. Do you think Zod could have beaten 100,000 Daxamites? He beat a Probe.
It's only two showings of that particular probe so it's not really an outlier.

It's not shown how Zod beat the probe, one probe was shown beating Bizarro, Ignition and Zod together though.

Damborgson
Thor and Beta Ray have the fire power at their disposal to if they work together though. It all depends on how they fight.

Pillow Biter
There's no indication that Probes have varying power levels.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I just mean that a single Probe beating 100,000 Daxamites in a simple way--simply overpowering them--doesn't really jibe with the rest of their showings. Even given the inherent variability of the comics medium, one has to assume that a writer would know this is a huge outlier. So given the above, it would be nice to have more details from the battle than we got. Do you think Zod could have beaten 100,000 Daxamites? He beat a Probe.

It doesn't jibe and it doesn't happen. In the corner of the picture, we see a probe up against Imperiex's ship with a hoard of Daxamites heading toward it. In the next panel, we see the other probe unleash a blast into the group, yet you can see an entire hoard that has gotten past him and is heading for the ship. That's all we see.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/21012/495263-1.jpg

We don't know how Daxam is defeated. The rest could have reached Imperiex's ship and Imperiex Prime himself dealt with them. But there is no indication that the singe probe defeats them all.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
It doesn't jibe and it doesn't happen. In the corner of the picture, we see a probe up against Imperiex's ship with a hoard of Daxamites heading toward it. In the next panel, we see the other probe unleash a blast into the group, yet you can see an entire hoard that has gotten past him and is heading for the ship. That's all we see.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/21012/495263-1.jpg

We don't know how Daxam is defeated. The rest could have reached Imperiex's ship and Imperiex Prime himself dealt with them. But there is no indication that the singe probe defeats them all.
If only there wasn't a previous page where it was specifically stated that they were fighting one probe only.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5761715-daxam+2.jpg

Imperiex prime didn't awaken until Superman defeated the first probe. There wasn't anyone else to fight the daxamites.

JBL
No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody. He was talking about that many against imperiex, not a single probe.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by JBL
No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody. He was talking about that many against imperiex, not a single probe.

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abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody. He was talking about that many against imperiex, not a single probe. Originally posted by TheHulkster
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Imperiex didn't awaken until Superman turned the probe away. The probe also destroyed Warworld in seconds BTW.

Imperiex prime was larger than his ship which dwarfed planets. The probe which defeated daxamites wasn't that big.

JBL
Originally posted by abhilegend
Imperiex didn't awaken until Superman turned the probe away. The probe also destroyed Warworld in seconds BTW. No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody!!

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody!!
So just because you said it didn't happen?

How does Imperiex prime even fight daxamites when he is shown near planet level in height?

TheHulkster
While being informed of the defeat, Imperiex Prime appears awake and I see nothing suggesting that he has just been awakened (that's the probe going down the tube). His ship doesn't appear to dwarf planets (we see planets in the background) and looks similar to the ship the Daxamites attack:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11121/111217478/4884791-imperiex_probe_9.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5761760-9-8.jpg

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
While being informed of the defeat, Imperiex Prime appears awake and I see nothing suggesting that he has just been awakened (that's the probe going down the tube). His ship doesn't appear to dwarf planets (we see planets in the background) and looks similar to the ship the Daxamites attack:

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11121/111217478/4884791-imperiex_probe_9.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5761760-9-8.jpg
It's like you have taken a vow to be always wrong.

Imperiex's ship is confirmed as big as Jupiter.

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5761996-probe_14.jpg

Imperiex dwarfs even that ship.

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5762004-huge.jpg

That little speck is Superman flying towards him.

So no, he wasn't on daxam. He wouldn't even fit on the whole world.

carver9
How does he fit in his ship if he is bigger than it? Does he ride on top of it?

DarkSaint85
Or that's a giant screen?

Hello!

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
How does he fit in his ship if he is bigger than it? Does he ride on top of it?
Is that a serious question?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by abhilegend
So just because you said it didn't happen?

How does Imperiex prime even fight daxamites when he is shown near planet level in height?
His Friends at DC told him that vin.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
It's like you have taken a vow to be always wrong.

Imperiex's ship is confirmed as big as Jupiter.

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5761996-probe_14.jpg

Imperiex dwarfs even that ship.

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11127/111276547/5762004-huge.jpg

That little speck is Superman flying towards him.

So no, he wasn't on daxam. He wouldn't even fit on the whole world.

The scale of the epilogue image doesn't give the appearance of dwarfing planets, but I will defer to the dialogue and ask how does Imperiex dwarfing planets contradict him defeating Daxam? No one said that he is on Daxam. Don't we see them flying out into space headed toward the ship that he is in (or riding on top of)? laughing

If you conclude from the image that Imperiex dwarfs Jupiter, then apparently Superman, Doomsday and the other probes are each about Earth size.

If he can fight Superman and Doomsday, why can't he fight Daxamites?

JBL
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
His Friends at DC told him that vin. Good, good, thy love for other superman fans is quite amusing😄

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The scale of the epilogue image doesn't give the appearance of dwarfing planets, but I will defer to the dialogue and ask how does Imperiex dwarfing planets contradict him defeating Daxam? No one said that he is on Daxam. Don't we see them flying out into space headed toward the ship that he is in (or riding on top of)? laughing

If you conclude from the image that Imperiex dwarfs Jupiter, then apparently Superman, Doomsday and the other probes are each about Earth size.

If he can fight Superman and Doomsday, why can't he fight Daxamites?
Does the figure on Daxam even looks like it's taller than the daxamites?

Honestly, this is laughable.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Does the figure on Daxam even looks like it's taller than the daxamites?

Honestly, this is laughable.

What are you talking about? What figure? You're flailing now.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
What are you talking about? What figure? You're flailing now.
This figure.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/21012/495263-1.jpg

There were only probes which were shown on different planets destroying it but somehow Imperiex himself went to Daxam when neither the timeline nor the story matches it.

Marvel zombies. SMH

Pillow Biter
There remain many unknowns. However, best evidence suggests all Probes are off approximately equal power levels--nothing suggests otherwise. And high and low showings aside, each Probe seems to be beyond elite top tier level. They are a bit brittle, relative to that power level, though. So lucky wins can happen.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
This figure.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/21012/495263-1.jpg

There were only probes which were shown on different planets destroying it but somehow Imperiex himself went to Daxam when neither the timeline nor the story matches it.

Marvel zombies. SMH

Look at the image. That probe attacks a hoard of Daxamites who have left Daxam and are flying toward Imperiex's ship to attack him. The probe barely makes a dent in their numbers as shown by the large number that have gone well past him. Another probe is shown with his back against the space ship.

There is no evidence that the one probe near the planets surface kills 100,000 Daxamites and that notion contradicts what we see. We never see what happens to the Daxamites that go past him. They could just as easily have been dealt with by Prime himself once they reach the ship. We know that Prime resides in the ship that you say he dwarfs.

Stop making things up D.C. Druid.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Look at the image. That probe attacks a hoard of Daxamites who have left Daxam and are flying toward Imperiex's ship to attack him. The probe barely makes a dent in their numbers as shown by the large number that have gone well past him. Another probe is shown with his back against the space ship.

That's the same probe on a different panel. The dialogue specifically says so.



That's just rubbish. We do see what happened to the daxamites. They were used as a power source after defeat.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470793/JSAowaw_14-15.jpg.html

Here is entire chronology of that scene. On every world only a probe was fighting. Imperiex prime wasn't involved until Superman turned his probe back.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470779/9751339.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470780/4665183.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470781/6122155.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470782/8180728.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470783/5057544.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470784/5215841.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470785/3520808.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470786/670466.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470787/65502.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470788/4594319.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470789/6783744.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470790/5593085.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470791/3055095.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470792/1237010.jpg.html




So you have nothing but nonsense at this point? Prime wasn't there. It was one of the probes' pod.

You are just in denial mode now.

JBL
So next DC superfriends will claim that Superman, DD, WW mother and Zod can each defeat one hundred thousand daxamites since they beat the probes?? A new low for superfriends on it's way soon.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
So next DC superfriends will claim that Superman, DD, WW mother and Zod can each defeat one hundred thousand daxamites since they beat the probes?? A new low for superfriends on it's way soon.
None of them except Superman and Doomsday beat the probe on their own.

Denial followed by sheer desperation? Funny how that works.

carver9
Wonder Woman mother AND Aquaman did beat a Probe and Black Lightning was stalemating one.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman mother AND Aquaman did beat a Probe and Black Lightning was stalemating one.
Hippolyta was amped with gauntlet of ares which amps wearer tenfold. She was still not able to kill it until it ripped itself apart trying to free itself from the lasso of truth.

Aquaman had trident of poseidon.

Black Lightning was amped by B13 weapons.

DarkSaint85
Carver himself said that they were shrugging off attacks from high heralds.

I guess his position changes according to who they fight.

JBL
Originally posted by abhilegend
None of them except Superman and Doomsday beat the probe on their own.

Denial followed by sheer desperation? Funny how that works. Again, no probe beat one hundred thousand anybody.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by JBL
Again, no probe beat one hundred thousand anybody.

Well, according to some biased Super lovers in here...

Originally posted by carver9
And Imperiex probes are being drafted even though they were shaking off damage from high heralds.

Some people here think they were easily trans-level characters.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
Again, no probe beat one hundred thousand anybody.
Looks like denial to me.

Pillow Biter
There aren't enough details on the Daxam fight to safely conclude that 1 Probe went in and took 100,000 Superman-class characters down in a straight brawl. It's possible, but it doesn't jibe with the rest of what we saw.

Bottom line: Does it not seem clear that Probes are trans tier, on average?

DarkSaint85
If that's the case, then Superman and HP Doomsday were fighting countless swarms of them. If they're truly trans level....the implications are staggering.

THAT'S why people don't want to say they're trans.

Pillow Biter
It's because people have a flawed view of how comics work.

Superman really was at a staggeringly high power level at the peak of OWAW. The writers spent a long time exploring the dynamic nature of his power, and then they had him peak at an insane level.

That said, there was a clear rationale for why Superman cannot normally perform at that level. Furthermore, this view of Superman represents one group of writers and editors, at one time. Just because Superman hit Trans, even Skyfather level, in one scene does not mean all writers today feel he is capable of that, even under ideal conditions.

It's perfectly logical to give Superman credit for his power levels shown in OWAW and still not think he is typically capable of such power, even under the same conditions.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the same probe on a different panel. The dialogue specifically says so.



That's just rubbish. We do see what happened to the daxamites. They were used as a power source after defeat.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470793/JSAowaw_14-15.jpg.html

Here is entire chronology of that scene. On every world only a probe was fighting. Imperiex prime wasn't involved until Superman turned his probe back.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470779/9751339.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470780/4665183.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470781/6122155.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470782/8180728.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470783/5057544.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470784/5215841.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470785/3520808.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470786/670466.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470787/65502.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470788/4594319.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470789/6783744.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470790/5593085.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470791/3055095.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/35470792/1237010.jpg.html




So you have nothing but nonsense at this point? Prime wasn't there. It was one of the probes' pod.

You are just in denial mode now.

If that's the same probe, why do you keep saying that it is standing on Daxam? And if that is a pod, then we see a hoard of Daxamites that have gotten past the probe and the pod and headed into space. Thus, they are eventually defeated by something they encounter on the way. Probably whatever they are targeting.

Pillow Biter
Maybe we should just drop the Daxam issue as it doesn't really matter.

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hippolyta was amped with gauntlet of ares which amps wearer tenfold. She was still not able to kill it until it ripped itself apart trying to free itself from the lasso of truth.

Aquaman had trident of poseidon.

Black Lightning was amped by B13 weapons.

Her being amped 10 times still wouldn't put her anywhere close to Superman, Hulk, hell, even Ikaris level. She was amped, yes, but not top tier amped. Doesn't matter how she beat them, we just know that she took out more than one.

Hell, she was going fist cuff with one and wraps it up and snatch it's head off...

https://m.imgur.com/dFmpdV1

DarkSaint85
I'm nowhere near Mike Tyson level.

But I reckon I could garrotte him with a magical lasso.

JBL
Boy the excuses. Lol

JBL
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
It's because people have a flawed view of how comics work.

Superman really was at a staggeringly high power level at the peak of OWAW. The writers spent a long time exploring the dynamic nature of his power, and then they had him peak at an insane level.

That said, there was a clear rationale for why Superman cannot normally perform at that level. Furthermore, this view of Superman represents one group of writers and editors, at one time. Just because Superman hit Trans, even Skyfather level, in one scene does not mean all writers today feel he is capable of that, even under ideal conditions.

It's perfectly logical to give Superman credit for his power levels shown in OWAW and still not think he is typically capable of such power, even under the same conditions. False. That would place Zod,DD WW mother and aquaman at the same level as you claim for Superman. Totally false claim you made.

h1a8
Originally posted by JBL
False. That would place Zod,DD WW mother and aquaman at the same level as you claim for Superman. Totally false claim you made.

We don't know how Zod beat a probe. It could have taken him hours (like Superman did on his first encounter).

Aquaman used a hax piercing weapon and so did Hippolyta. Plus they only killed a single probe. Superman was going through many of them like fodder.

Hp DD has always been skyfather level in physicality. He nearly killed Darkseid in a matter of seconds.

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
We don't know how Zod beat a probe. It could have taken him hours (like Superman did on his first encounter).

Aquaman used a hax piercing weapon and so did Hippolyta. Plus they only killed a single probe. Superman was going through many of them like fodder.

Hp DD has always been skyfather level in physicality. He nearly killed Darkseid in a matter of seconds.

He/Zod beat a gang of them by blitzing them and taking hours to do it? What does have have to do with anything. Iirc, I thought Superman and Doomsday were fighting the probes for days?

DeadpoolXXX
i think the probes win but its not easy at all.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
He/Zod beat a gang of them by blitzing them and taking hours to do it? What does have have to do with anything. Iirc, I thought Superman and Doomsday were fighting the probes for days?

What are you talking about? Zod beat a probe (singular) off panel. We have no clue how he did it and how long it took. It took Superman a very long time in his first encounter with one. He couldn't even damage it in the slightest at first (using all of his might). His face was straining like he was taking a shit.

Later on, in his amped mind frame, he was one shotting them instantly.

panthergod
Originally posted by carver9
Her being amped 10 times still wouldn't put her anywhere close to Superman, Hulk, hell, even Ikaris level. She was amped, yes, but not top tier amped. Doesn't matter how she beat them, we just know that she took out more than one.

Hell, she was going fist cuff with one and wraps it up and snatch it's head off...

https://m.imgur.com/dFmpdV1

She downed Orion with one punch. At standard levels.

At 10x power she was absolutely top tier.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
If that's the same probe, why do you keep saying that it is standing on Daxam? And if that is a pod, then we see a hoard of Daxamites that have gotten past the probe and the pod and headed into space. Thus, they are eventually defeated by something they encounter on the way. Probably whatever they are targeting.
So your argument is that despite the dialog confirming there was only one being against Daxamites and Imperiex sending probes to countless worlds, he was somehow at Daxam when nothing ever was shown or implied?

Yeah, desperation. Nothing else.

Damborgson
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm nowhere near Mike Tyson level.

But I reckon I could garrotte him with a magical lasso.

I reckon you couldn't take any amount of abuse from him, even how he is now, to get in any sort of position to pull that off.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Her being amped 10 times still wouldn't put her anywhere close to Superman, Hulk, hell, even Ikaris level. She was amped, yes, but not top tier amped. Doesn't matter how she beat them, we just know that she took out more than one.


What nonsense is this? A mere human (Cassie Sandsmark) survived attacks from Doomsday clone which was kicking Diana's ass with the gauntlets. Her mother drew blood from Hercules with the gauntlets.

Hippolyta has beaten Wonder Woman at normal power, beaten Captain Marvel Jr in arm wrestling and is quite close to Diana in strength by her own admission. At ten times strength? She would kick someone like Kurse's head in.

And even then she died from explosion of one probe. And the probes destroyed themselves.



The probe destroyed itself. You can't be this stupid.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
False. That would place Zod,DD WW mother and aquaman at the same level as you claim for Superman. Totally false claim you made.
None of them beat any probe under their own power.

kevdude
Imperiex-Probe destroys them. It was one Probe vs the Daxams. Prime was in his ship during most of the war, it seems to be one of his 'hollowers' in the scan. Imperiex-Prime sits in the middle of his ship, that is an analog to the brain, = him to God in what some people view.

abhilegend
Here is how powerful GOA makes the wearer. Diana oneshots a Doomsday clone who was stronger than her and Hercules combined and then started doubling in power with each step.

Originally posted by Galan007
Like most versions of Doomsday, this version was ultimately beaten by the finest PIS in the industry:

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ww_dd10.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ww_dd11.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ww_dd12.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ww_dd13.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ww_dd14.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ww_dd15.jpg http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x402/galanpics/th_ww_dd16.jpg

Oneshotted into dust.

Galan007
Originally posted by kevdude
Imperiex-Probe destroys them. It was one Probe vs the Daxams. Prime was in his ship during most of the war, it seems to be one of his 'hollowers' in the scan. Imperiex-Prime sits in the middle of his ship, that is an analog to the brain, = him to God in what some people view. thumb up

The heavy implication is that no one was aware of Imperiex Prime's existence until he physically appeared much later in OWAW -- they initially thought the Probe(s) they'd encountered early on were Imperiex himself:
http://i.imgur.com/81uUg3x.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ULCQILM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KYd8gej.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CMk0qs0.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about? Zod beat a probe (singular) off panel. We have no clue how he did it and how long it took. It took Superman a very long time in his first encounter with one. He couldn't even damage it in the slightest at first (using all of his might). His face was straining like he was taking a shit.

Later on, in his amped mind frame, he was one shotting them instantly.

Ok, you obviously do not know what you're talking about.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
So your argument is that despite the dialog confirming there was only one being against Daxamites and Imperiex sending probes to countless worlds, he was somehow at Daxam when nothing ever was shown or implied?

Yeah, desperation. Nothing else.

The dialogue confirms that the single being is Imperiex Prime since he is referred to as the Devourer of Galaxies (no probe devours a galaxy) and the dialogue specifically stats that the "Devourer of Galaxies" in in the Daxamite's sector. Can you show where the probes are spread out across the universe? Imperiex has to be present to absorb the energies after a hollowing.

JBL
Anybody that think a single probe beat one hundred thousand daxamites is either crazy or a bigger superman sucker than I thought.

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The dialogue confirms that the single being is Imperiex Prime since he is referred to as the Devourer of Galaxies (no probe devours a galaxy) and the dialogue specifically stats that the "Devourer of Galaxies" in in the Daxamite's sector. Can you show where the probes are spread out across the universe? Imperiex has to be present to absorb the energies after a hollowing. Originally posted by Galan007
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The heavy implication is that no one was aware of Imperiex Prime's existence until he physically appeared much later in OWAW -- they initially thought the Probe(s) they'd encountered early on were Imperiex himself:
http://i.imgur.com/81uUg3x.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ULCQILM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KYd8gej.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CMk0qs0.jpg
Nobody even knew of Imperiex prime at that point.

Imperiex wasn't absorbing power from galaxies
That was another misconception among heroes.

Desperate enough, huh?

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
Anybody that think a single probe beat one hundred thousand daxamites is either crazy or a bigger superman sucker than I thought.
ermm

Your bitching is amusing if nothing.

kevdude
Originally posted by JBL
Anybody that think a single probe beat one hundred thousand daxamites is either crazy or a bigger superman sucker than I thought.

It was only one Imperiex-Probe that beat one hundred thousand Daxamites, its in the comic book, it was only one that destroyed the one hundred other galaxies like Maxima's. Imperiex-Prime didn't use his numerous other Probes until his attack on Topeka, Kansas. Nobody even knew there was other Probe's and a much larger and more powerful omnipotent Imperiex-Prime until afterwards.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody even knew of Imperiex prime at that point.

Imperiex wasn't absorbing power from galaxies
That was another misconception among heroes.

Desperate enough, huh?

Liri Lee clearly knew. Does the Daxam killing probe carry Daxam to the big ship in order to connect it as a power source? Or is it evident that the big ship is in the sector?

So now the heroes are wrong when they say Imperiex absorbs energy of galaxies. And I'm desperate?

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Liri Lee clearly knew. Does the Daxam killing probe carry Daxam to the big ship in order to connect it as a power source? Or is it evident that the big ship is in the sector?


Liri Lee didn't tell anyone because it was according to the plan of Linear Men.

Obviously, do you have any scans or implications that Imperiex prime was suddenly near Daxam? The probes destroyed that whole galaxy.

Yes, the heroes were wrong. Clearly shown.

How about you show those scans of Imperiex prime defeating Daxamites?

kevdude

Galan007
Originally posted by abhilegend
Liri Lee didn't tell anyone because it was according to the plan of Linear Men. thumb up

Liri Lee(along with The Linear Men) viewed Imperiex's destruction/recreation of the universe as part of the normal cosmological cycle. They felt it needed to happen so that natural order and cosmic consonance could be preserved.

That's why Liri and The Linear Men actually tried to convict Superman of a phucking CRIME against the universe after he thwarted Imperiex prematurely:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481829_8103927.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481830_956504.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481831_5152452.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481832_865148.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481833_1281339.jpg


tl;dr
Liri Lee didn't want Imperiex to be stopped. That's why she never warned the heroes about him. smile

Surtur
Am I the only one that dislikes Imperiex Probes?

Juntai
LOL how many times can these guys be wrong about the same story in one thread?

TheHulkster
I see. So Daxam is defeated by the hollower.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
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Liri Lee(along with The Linear Men) viewed Imperiex's destruction/recreation of the universe as part of the normal cosmological cycle. They felt it needed to happen so that natural order and cosmic consonance could be preserved.

That's why Liri and The Linear Men actually tried to convict Superman of a phucking CRIME against the universe after he thwarted Imperiex prematurely:
https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481829_8103927.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481830_956504.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481831_5152452.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481832_865148.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t1/35481833_1281339.jpg


tl;dr
Liri Lee didn't want Imperiex to be stopped. That's why she never warned the heroes about him. smile
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Also worth noting that Spectre says that Quintessence is a higher authority than his own.

Galan007
Yes indeed. thumb up

I've been posting that for years -- really puts the judgement rendered by the Quintessence into perspective.

Rao Kal El
Damn! OWAW Superman is way stronger than I thought!

Will have to re-read the whole arc again. thumb up

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
Yes indeed. thumb up

I've been posting that for years -- really puts the judgement rendered by the Quintessence into perspective.
And Entropy Aegis, a burnt out Imperiex probe tanked their combined attack.

nutnut

Galan007
I like how the E/A was able to simply...bust into the realm where Superman's trial with the Quintessence was taking place:
http://i.imgur.com/ZagPpip.jpg


I mean, it's not like it was just down the street, lol:
http://i.imgur.com/BvJtKKi.jpg

kevdude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I see. So Daxam is defeated by the hollower.

No... you asked how the planet got into the ship, it's not like the hollower helped the Imperiex Probe vs the Daxamites. laughing out loud

TheHulkster
Originally posted by kevdude
No... you asked how the planet got into the ship, it's not like the hollower helped the Imperiex Probe vs the Daxamites. laughing out loud

But that's the only outcome shown. Is there another scan showing defeated Daxamites?

kevdude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
But that's the only outcome shown. Is there another scan showing defeated Daxamites?

Nope, the hollower isn't doing anything, the Imperiex-Probe is next to it then powers himself up and blasts the Daxamites. We don't see the Probe use the hollower at all for the fight, the only reason its there is to use it on Daxam to move. Ish-Tar said 'a hundred thousand warriors against a single being. I pray we had a million more to send against him. Imperiex was the threat.

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JBL
That single being was imperiex prime as described in DC data base. No probe beat one hundred thousand anybody. This question has been answered in interviews and laughed at by many. They laughed because if it were true, that would mean Zod, WW mother,Aquaman, DD and superman among others can defeat one hundred thousand daxamites. Trust me, it was funny as hell to see the reaction of crazed fans not being able to comprehend a freaking comic.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JBL
That single being was imperiex prime as described in DC data base. No probe beat one hundred thousand anybody. This question has been answered in interviews and laughed at by many. They laughed because if it were true, that would mean Zod, WW mother,Aquaman, DD and superman among others can defeat one hundred thousand daxamites. Trust me, it was funny as hell to see the reaction of crazed fans not being able to comprehend a freaking comic.
Could you please post this data base scan and interview where they laughed at it?

TheHulkster
Originally posted by kevdude
Nope, the hollower isn't doing anything, the Imperiex-Probe is next to it then powers himself up and blasts the Daxamites. We don't see the Probe use the hollower at all for the fight, the only reason its there is to use it on Daxam to move. Ish-Tar said 'a hundred thousand warriors against a single being. I pray we had a million more to send against him. Imperiex was the threat.

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I see. So Daxam being attached to Imperiex's mothership is separate from the probe's battle with the Daxamites, thus the planet's connection to the mother ship is no indication of the battle results? Cool.

Thus, since we never see the conclusion, nor the results of the probe's confrontation with the Daxamites, one cannot conclude that the probe defeats them.

TheHulkster
Is this the database?

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Imperiex-Prime_(New_Earth)

abhilegend
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I see. So Daxam being attached to Imperiex's mothership is separate from the probe's battle with the Daxamites, thus the planet's connection to the mother ship is no indication of the battle results? Cool.

Thus, since we never see the conclusion, nor the results of the probe's confrontation with the Daxamites, one cannot conclude that the probe defeats them.
laughing out loud

There was only one probe to fight them. The sheer denial is amazing here.

Juntai
"'a hundred thousand warriors against a single being. I pray we had a million more to send against him."



Guy thats been proven wrong left and right all thread long: Clearly there is more to this that happened off panel, a single probe didnt do that, even though I have nothing to back me up.

TheHulkster
^LOL at the crying.

A single probe didn't do what?

Galan007
It's odd to me that people would think Imperiex Prime(who hadn't even appeared to anyone in the DCU at the time, mind you) would have resorted to engaging in an extended PHYSICAL battle with the Daxamites... When he could have simply done THIS:
https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35488434_Adventures_of_Superman_1986-2006_594-017.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35488435_Adventures_of_Superman_1986-2006_594-018.jpg
...and wiped-out the entire race in a matter of seconds. srsly


The Probes, however, ALWAYS engaged their opponents physically. smile

Juntai
Originally posted by TheHulkster
^LOL at the crying.

A single probe didn't do what? Crying? Lol. No, the level of wrongness of each post is funny.

Just like how you just deleted your massive reply to the others and changed it to this because you realized how stupid it was.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Juntai
Crying? Lol. No, the level of wrongness of each post is funny.

Just like how you just deleted your massive reply to the others and changed it to this because you realized how stupid it was.

Noah, I added the crying part later to show how a possible adult cries over comics like a dweeb.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Galan007
It's odd to me that people would think Imperiex Prime(who hadn't even appeared to anyone in the DCU at the time, mind you) would have resorted to engaging in an extended PHYSICAL battle with the Daxamites... When he could have simply done THIS:
https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35488434_Adventures_of_Superman_1986-2006_594-017.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/35488435_Adventures_of_Superman_1986-2006_594-018.jpg
...and wiped-out the entire race in a matter of seconds. srsly


The Probes, however, ALWAYS engaged their opponents physically. smile

Not sure if anyone has done that here.

Galan007
mhmm
Originally posted by JBL
That single being was imperiex prime as described in DC data base. No probe beat one hundred thousand anybody. mmm

Surtur
Originally posted by Surtur
Am I the only one that dislikes Imperiex Probes?

In fact, I dislike the OWAW story itself.

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by Surtur
In fact, I dislike the OWAW story itself.

I disliked the design of Imperiex a bit but the story was kind of entertaining, not like great literature or brainphuck but in a more innocent way.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Surtur
In fact, I dislike the OWAW story itself.

Why?

carver9
Don't let the people here make you hate the story. It was a good read. Anyways, a serious Thor or Bill would destroy a Probe based off their fts. They have showings proving they could destroy the shell, easily. Either solos.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Surtur
In fact, I dislike the OWAW story itself.

It's absolute trash.

The ridiculous art doesn't really help it either.

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