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Imperiex Probe vs. Thor/Beta Ray Bill

The Imperiex Probe that beat up Mongul and Superman in Superman 153 Vs Standard Thor

Fight takes place on neutral terrain
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The probe destroys both. It defeated 100,000 daxamites too and each of them were described as roughly equal to Power Girl in power.

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The keys details of the Imperiex vs Daxamite fight aren't fully covered--could be the Probes destroyed the yellow-sun-providing armor of the Daxamites.

That said, Probes were pretty powerful. Their only real weakness is a degree of brittleness--attacks that penetrate their shell will explode them. Of course, their outer shell is well past elite-top-tier levels of invulnerability.

Superman already had to go past his normal levels to beat the first one. And he needed a power stunt. But he was still several levels down from the peak power levels he showed in OWAW.

I think that Thor and BRB do less well than Superman and Mongul here overall, but eventually they figure out how to use the Godblast to beat one. BRB holds the Probe up and Thor sets up the blast. The resulting explosion does to BRB what the explosion did to Wonder Woman. BRB is near death.

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Originally posted by Pillow Biter
The keys details of the Imperiex vs Daxamite fight aren't fully covered--could be the Probes destroyed the yellow-sun-providing armor of the Daxamites.

That said, Probes were pretty powerful. Their only real weakness is a degree of brittleness--attacks that penetrate their shell will explode them. Of course, their outer shell is well past elite-top-tier levels of invulnerability.

Superman already had to go past his normal levels to beat the first one. And he needed a power stunt. But he was still several levels down from the peak power levels he showed in OWAW.

I think that Thor and BRB do less well than Superman and Mongul here overall, but eventually they figure out how to use the Godblast to beat one. BRB holds the Probe up and Thor sets up the blast. The resulting explosion does to BRB what the explosion did to Wonder Woman. BRB is near death.

They were not. The follow up was shown in JSA Our World's at war where they were full powered and powering Imperiex's ship.

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I just mean that a single Probe beating 100,000 Daxamites in a simple way--simply overpowering them--doesn't really jibe with the rest of their showings. Even given the inherent variability of the comics medium, one has to assume that a writer would know this is a huge outlier. So given the above, it would be nice to have more details from the battle than we got. Do you think Zod could have beaten 100,000 Daxamites? He beat a Probe.

Jul 7th, 2017 07:38 AM

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Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I just mean that a single Probe beating 100,000 Daxamites in a simple way--simply overpowering them--doesn't really jibe with the rest of their showings. Even given the inherent variability of the comics medium, one has to assume that a writer would know this is a huge outlier. So given the above, it would be nice to have more details from the battle than we got. Do you think Zod could have beaten 100,000 Daxamites? He beat a Probe.

It's only two showings of that particular probe so it's not really an outlier.

It's not shown how Zod beat the probe, one probe was shown beating Bizarro, Ignition and Zod together though.

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Thor and Beta Ray have the fire power at their disposal to if they work together though. It all depends on how they fight.

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There's no indication that Probes have varying power levels.

Jul 7th, 2017 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I just mean that a single Probe beating 100,000 Daxamites in a simple way--simply overpowering them--doesn't really jibe with the rest of their showings. Even given the inherent variability of the comics medium, one has to assume that a writer would know this is a huge outlier. So given the above, it would be nice to have more details from the battle than we got. Do you think Zod could have beaten 100,000 Daxamites? He beat a Probe.

It doesn't jibe and it doesn't happen. In the corner of the picture, we see a probe up against Imperiex's ship with a hoard of Daxamites heading toward it. In the next panel, we see the other probe unleash a blast into the group, yet you can see an entire hoard that has gotten past him and is heading for the ship. That's all we see.

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We don't know how Daxam is defeated. The rest could have reached Imperiex's ship and Imperiex Prime himself dealt with them. But there is no indication that the singe probe defeats them all.

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It doesn't jibe and it doesn't happen. In the corner of the picture, we see a probe up against Imperiex's ship with a hoard of Daxamites heading toward it. In the next panel, we see the other probe unleash a blast into the group, yet you can see an entire hoard that has gotten past him and is heading for the ship. That's all we see.

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We don't know how Daxam is defeated. The rest could have reached Imperiex's ship and Imperiex Prime himself dealt with them. But there is no indication that the singe probe defeats them all.

If only there wasn't a previous page where it was specifically stated that they were fighting one probe only.

https://static1.comicvine.com/uploa...715-daxam+2.jpg

Imperiex prime didn't awaken until Superman defeated the first probe. There wasn't anyone else to fight the daxamites.

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No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody. He was talking about that many against imperiex, not a single probe.

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No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody. He was talking about that many against imperiex, not a single probe.

Jul 7th, 2017 07:42 PM

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No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody. He was talking about that many against imperiex, not a single probe.

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Imperiex didn't awaken until Superman turned the probe away. The probe also destroyed Warworld in seconds BTW.

Imperiex prime was larger than his ship which dwarfed planets. The probe which defeated daxamites wasn't that big.

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Imperiex didn't awaken until Superman turned the probe away. The probe also destroyed Warworld in seconds BTW.

No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody!!

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abhilegend
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Originally posted by JBL
No probe ever defeated one hundred thousand anybody!!

So just because you said it didn't happen?

How does Imperiex prime even fight daxamites when he is shown near planet level in height?

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While being informed of the defeat, Imperiex Prime appears awake and I see nothing suggesting that he has just been awakened (that's the probe going down the tube). His ship doesn't appear to dwarf planets (we see planets in the background) and looks similar to the ship the Daxamites attack:

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Jul 7th, 2017 08:16 PM

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While being informed of the defeat, Imperiex Prime appears awake and I see nothing suggesting that he has just been awakened (that's the probe going down the tube). His ship doesn't appear to dwarf planets (we see planets in the background) and looks similar to the ship the Daxamites attack:

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It's like you have taken a vow to be always wrong.

Imperiex's ship is confirmed as big as Jupiter.

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploa...96-probe_14.jpg

Imperiex dwarfs even that ship.

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploa...762004-huge.jpg

That little speck is Superman flying towards him.

So no, he wasn't on daxam. He wouldn't even fit on the whole world.

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