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Logos-
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v.s.

The endless-
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utterly unanswerable.

Logos' power is completely unquantifiable at this point. The *only* reason he's gotten so far with his rampage is due to the 'instability' of the current Marvel cosmos. That's why Order&Chaos(individually) were > LT, for example -- cosmology in current Marvel is just WAY out of whack.

For that reason I would have to side with the Endless here. Their power/status/role IS well-established/defined, and they are at THE top of the pecking order in their respective continuity. Moreover, if the *entire* family is included, it means Time(father of the Endless), and Night(mother of the Endless) are here as well... Which makes me even more confident they win.

That cosmic ultimates run look fantastic from everything I see. Is it worth grabbing?

Endless.

Originally posted by Juntai
That cosmic ultimates run look fantastic from everything I see. Is it worth grabbing?

The best stuff Marvel has put out in a long while along with Star Wars. Would definitely recommend.

Originally posted by Juntai
That cosmic ultimates run look fantastic from everything I see. Is it worth grabbing? Definitely. Ewing has done a great job with it.

Originally posted by Juntai
That cosmic ultimates run look fantastic from everything I see. Is it worth grabbing?

i don't love it. least not as much as the others. i still really dislike this lifebringer galactus though, so that is def a part of it, and i wish i could say i liked the ultimates themselves, but....i don't. from the get-go i found the basis of the series ridiculously pretentious. doubly so based on the make-up of the team. so, why do i still read it? lol there is something about the format that i like, and the approach to the story-telling overall. it has an epic 'feel' to it. i just happen to dislike many of the characters IN the epic. /shrug

Definitely the best book out right now.

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't love it. least not as much as the others. i still really dislike this lifebringer galactus though, so that is def a part of it, and i wish i could say i liked the ultimates themselves, but....i don't. from the get-go i found the basis of the series ridiculously pretentious. doubly so based on the make-up of the team. so, why do i still read it? lol there is something about the format that i like, and the approach to the story-telling overall. it has an epic 'feel' to it. i just happen to dislike many of the characters IN the epic. /shrug I'm not a fan of Lifebringer either. What I like most about the series is that Ewing is finally defining Marvel's cosmology, and giving it some much-needed depth... It is very unique in that regard.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not a fan of Lifebringer either. What I like most about the series is that Ewing is finally defining Marvel's cosmology, and giving it some much-needed depth... It is very unique in that regard.

can't wait to see more of the First Firmament.

who do you guys think are the most interesting characters in the ultimates?

The Never Queen and Molecule Man. By far.

Lifebringer would be far more intriguing to me if Ewing had kept him as regular ol' Galactus... This new transformation just seems entirely pointless and unneeded. Galactus has always served a cosmological purpose: his perpetual hunger helps maintain cosmic balance/consonance. It's been that way since his inception... But now that role is randomly thrown out the window?

C'mon. ermm

never queen is def the most intriguing of the characters. and i do like how they refer to the previous iterations of the multiverse. the latest issue was...odd. g's transformation of ego didn't quite work for me. i like the infinaut a lot, and hope to learn more about him.

have any of the recent books touched on the ff and reed and franklin? it was weird too in the latest ultimates that g referred to himself as the only survivor of the previous iteration. there were a few others who'd survived as well, including the maker--who was intro'd in the latest ultimates as well.

Originally posted by leonidas
have any of the recent books touched on the ff and reed and franklin? Not at all, which is really unfortunate. They would fit this book better than most, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
it was weird too in the latest ultimates that g referred to himself as the only survivor of the previous iteration. there were a few others who'd survived as well, including the maker--who was intro'd in the latest ultimates as well. Perhaps Galactus simply doesn't know they survived... Yet..? mmm

Well, Neverqueen is Slott's character. Ewing is the only writer to use her other than Slott and Slott is the only other writer to use Lifebringer Galactus. Those two are on the same page with each other.

Originally posted by leonidas
never queen is def the most intriguing of the characters. and i do like how they refer to the previous iterations of the multiverse. the latest issue was...odd. g's transformation of ego didn't quite work for me. i like the infinaut a lot, and hope to learn more about him.

have any of the recent books touched on the ff and reed and franklin? it was weird too in the latest ultimates that g referred to himself as the only survivor of the previous iteration. there were a few others who'd survived as well, including the maker--who was intro'd in the latest ultimates as well.

Galactus actually specifically references surviving the 6th iteration. The current one is the 8th.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vvJu30AM4kY/WUqL7SzK1fI/AAAAAAAEKtg/qYDQgyj9zgUInpSi1_9gpAYsFvXpH7A3QCLcBGAs/s1600/041_001.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Xispq19P1tU/WUqL9m2OnbI/AAAAAAAEKuU/TWIsd39pYR4Wztn4uUaucm-99sbWfQhfwCLcBGAs/s1600/041_013.jpg

ah yeah, that's right.

I'm trying to remember: was it ever mentioned how Galactus survived the destruction of the last multiverse?

I mean, at least the group of heroes and Cabal had dues ex tech(which was fortified with the f*cking SKIN of LT) on their side...

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm trying to remember: was it ever mentioned how Galactus survived the destruction of the last multiverse? i dont think so. i think he just popped back into the new multiverse again with no real explanation.


Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, at least the group of heroes and Cabal had dues ex tech(which was fortified with the f*cking SKIN of LT) on their side... lmao are u serious!! i dont think i ever realized they covered the liferaft in skin lol. how morbid

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
lmao are u serious!! i dont think i ever realized they covered the liferaft in skin lol. how morbid Indeed they did -- but it wasn't 'skin' in the typical flesh/blood sense...


LT was first shown dead on the moon in New Avengers #8. At the time we had NO idea what could have been powerful enough to kill him, OR how his carcass got there:
http://i.imgur.com/7XLak2Q.jpg

In New Avengers #30, we learned the Beyonders had killed LT; and a sliver of his totality landed on the moon of every universe in the multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/0XLn8vC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HpZbp1j.jpg

When the heroes first started building the Life Raft in Avengers #42, they needed a material capable of weathering the incursions *enter LT's corpse*:
http://i.imgur.com/e2f4Ir9.jpg
"...Then you use what nature provides. Even if it's the skin off the carcass of a dead God."

And this panel from Secret Wars #0 (FCBD) hints at the heroes developing some sort of LT-skin/Vibranium alloy for the Life Raft:
http://i.imgur.com/6iT4uSC.jpg

...Cuz LT alone just wasn't strong enough, lol. g007-psyduck

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm trying to remember: was it ever mentioned how Galactus survived the destruction of the last multiverse?

I mean, at least the group of heroes and Cabal had dues ex tech(which was fortified with the f*cking SKIN of LT) on their side...

just this:

https://marswillsendnomore.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/galactus010.jpg

https://marswillsendnomore.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/galactus011.jpg

i don't think back then they really had any more of an explanation than 'the universe just decided to save him'. why him? right place right time i guess.... shrug

That's how he survived the collapse of his native multiverse(ie. the 6th iteration.) But I am asking how he survived the destruction of the LAST multiverse; which would have been the 7th iteration(remember, we're on the 8th iteration now.) Just wondering how he survived the incursions..?

He didn't. That's why Surfer recreated him using Shaper's power and then destroyed him.

Reed recreating everything must've recreated him.

Yea, Galactus is recreated the same as practically every other being and entity. I don't think that he is among those handful who survive the destruction.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't. That's why Surfer recreated him using Shaper's power and then destroyed him.

Reed recreating everything must've recreated him. That's right! Knew I was forgetting something.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's how he survived the collapse of his native multiverse(ie. the 6th iteration.) But I am asking how he survived the destruction of the LAST multiverse; which would have been the 7th iteration(remember, we're on the 8th iteration now.) Just wondering how he survived the incursions..?

geez, apparently i was dyslexic yesterday. better today.

and technically this really isn't the galactus that survived the 6th iteration then. one more reason to not like him. sneer

As someone who thinks the Endless are garbage characters, any ONE of them wins here.

At least 3 of them are confirmed universe+ level in power : Destiny, Death, Dream. I don't see a reason why the other 4 shouldn't be either. Logos best feat was killing a few Celestials (I mean Reed has done this) and killing the LT (whose power is in flux along with the rest of Marvel's Hierarchy).

Originally posted by zopzop
As someone who thinks the Endless are garbage characters, any ONE of them wins here.

and we'd been getting on so well lately....

Originally posted by leonidas
and we'd been getting on so well lately....
Hey, I gave any of them the win here!

not good enough. sneer