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how this goez?

really? i say flash kills him.

Flash kills him to death.

Nate lobotomize him.

Originally posted by leonidas
really? i say flash kills him. Originally posted by "Id"
Flash kills him to death.
Really? I could have sworn Shaman Nate had some degree of time manipulation (meaning he can at least PERCEIVE the Flash). As long as Shaman knows he's there, what's saving Flash from a mindwipe?

Nate rapes.

Blue Superman wins.

slightly more realistically--it depends if you think nate's ability to perceive time would give him the chance to defend himself. and also on the effects a speed steal would have on thought.

^ When Wally used speed-steal to perma-freeze Inertia(which is the furthest he has EVER taken that technique on panel, mind you), he was still fully conscious -- able to see/hear/think in real time:
https://i.imgur.com/Mj8iAvr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/K1A5yUO.jpg

I can only assume Nate would be left in much the same state if his speed were stolen(which is obviously *bad* for Flash)... But tbh, I'm not quite sure what sort of effect that technique would have on Nate anyway. After all, he isn't a physical being -- he is just pure psionic energy:
https://i.imgur.com/Z8hxMw3.jpg

/shrug

What about Amazo? He had the speed steal performed on him too.

I always read the Inertia scene as Wally taking all his speed away....but deliberately leaving his consciousness active to torture him.

Wally has speed stolen energy as well btw. Kraakl (right?) Blue Superman....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I always read the Inertia scene as Wally taking all his speed away....but deliberately leaving his consciousness active to torture him. That was never stated, though. Even in subsequent issues it was implied that his consciousness remaining intact was just a corollary of Flash perma-freezing him in time. ie. Flash took speed-steal further than EVER before, and that's what happened. /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wally has speed stolen energy as well btw. Conscious, psionic energy?

Originally posted by Galan007
That was never stated, though. Even in subsequent issues it was implied that his consciousness remaining intact was just a corollary of Flash perma-freezing him in time. ie. Flash took speed-steal further than EVER before, and that's what happened. /shrug Speed stealing extends to the speed of the neurons/brain :

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111130781/3890513-9995572434-spedb.jpg

If you stop the neurons from moving, the brain is frozen.
If he wished, he could done the same to Inertia, obviously.

Shown again when Wally lends speed to the perceptions of Hippolyta to be able to keep up with him and Supes/J'onn:

http://i.imgur.com/JjPlF4H.jpg

Since Nate is pure psionic energy his mind should function just fine regardless of the state of his physical brain.

Originally posted by Phil
Speed stealing extends to the speed of the neurons/brain :

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...72434-spedb.jpg

If you stop the neurons from moving, the brain is frozen.
If he wished, he could done the same to Inertia, obviously.

Shown again when Wally lends speed to the perceptions of Hippolyta to be able to keep up with him and Supes/J'onn:

http://i.imgur.com/JjPlF4H.jpg Funny, I know I've seen that Dark Flash scan before -- totally forgot about it, though, so thanks.

Like I mentioned, though: Nate is an energy-being, so I'm not sure what effect speed-steal would have on him regardless..? /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Funny, I know I've seen that Dark Flash scan before -- totally forgot about it, though, so thanks.

Like I mentioned, though: Nate is an energy-being, so I'm not sure what effect speed-steal would have on him regardless..? /shrug Well, like Saint says, he stole some energy beings' speed. Pretty positive it hasn't been as specific as psychic energy, though, so there's nothing concrete in immobilizing specifically Nate's make-up. Psychic energy is presumably on the range of EM spectrum, no? Given that, IIRC, Magneto has mucked with it, and even prohibited long-range telepathy. Given who Flash has stolen from, I wouldn't be surprised if it worked.

I mean, Flash'd have to team-up with somebody just as fast who has feats of doing so in order to be sure..



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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5s5AGDi_g1o/T0Qr340dmCI/AAAAAAAAI38/Z0igxqmhskA/s1600/shift.jpg

i'm not 100% sure even if he stole ALL his speed, including neuronal, that it would stop nate. if he say, sends his consciousness into the astral plane, we get into the debate regarding the mind/consciousness vs the brain.

so, MAYBE it would work. of course, it would be ooc for him to take that much speed anyway so i still think it would come down to his perceptual speed and his ability to defend just being punched unconscious. /shrug