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Who would win in a fight?

The God of Thunder or the God Killer?

His Durability and strength is better but she's a better fighter and has more diverse weaponry; she's also much faster. Id say Diana 6/10.

I wouldn't call her a better fighter. Better acrobatics maybe, but not necessarily a better fighter. I do agree she's faster. We can answer this question better after Ragnarok.

Thor actually shows some decent acrobatics and fighting skill in Thor: Ragnarok, in particular during his arena fight with Hulk, his fight at the end with Hela, and the ship chase scene when he and Valkyrie were tearing through their pursuers.

Well, to be honest, even the people who have seen Thor: Ragnarok can't quite call this yet, considering Justice League is dropping soon, so Diana also has new feats coming her way. Because, despite the fact that she has had a solo film, the only feats we actually have for current, present-day Wonder Woman is her part in the Doomsday BvS fight.

Even of we didn't include Ragnarok, Thor still has better melee feats against high end individuals who are also known decent melee fighters. That's why I wouldn't say WW is the better fighter. It's her speed that makes her dangerous.

Yeah Thor has shown far greater combat skills.

Not to mention Mjolnir is > than any weapon she wields.

But yeah it's her speed that's dangerous, but then Thor does have widespread attacks.

Wonder Woman's only advantage is her speed and how deadly her sword can be. Thor being a walking lightning storm now (Plus AOE attacks) render the speed factor not as relevant so it depends on how long Wonder Woman can keep away and approaches it.

Thor's far more durable and just as skilled so her sword is really the only way she can win but if the fight against Hela showed anything, it's that Thor can take a brutal stabbing and keep on going.

Ragnarok isn't usable right now.

Speed and sword = instant win.
WW can win in less than 3 seconds.

Originally posted by h1a8
Speed and sword = instant win.
WW can win in less than 3 seconds.

Spoken like someone that hasn't seen the movies.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ragnarok isn't usable right now.

Yes, it is.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, it is. No it isn't.

Originally posted by h1a8
No it isn't.

It's already been released, that makes it usable. if you don't want to be spoiled you should probably avoid Thor topics until you've seen it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's already been released, that makes it usable. if you don't want to be spoiled you should probably avoid Thor topics until you've seen it. It hasn't been released in the U.S. so it's not usable.

Originally posted by h1a8
It hasn't been released in the U.S. so it's not usable.

Where is that rule stated?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where is that rule stated?

I stated it.
There is no way to verify feats mentioned by other posters, especially if they are misinterpreted, out of context, or even happened. Finally, it is no guarantee that the U.S. version would be exactly the same.

Originally posted by h1a8
I stated it.
There is no way to verify feats mentioned by other posters, especially if they are misinterpreted, out of context, or even happened. Finally, it is no guarantee that the U.S. version would be exactly the same.

You don't make the rules.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't make the rules.

I can state things that are true. Whether that's making the rules is irrelevant.
What I said is 100% true. Just ask a mod and you will see.

Thor's new movie not being usable is just your opinion and your opionion doesn't matter.

Originally posted by h1a8
I can state things that are true. Whether that's making the rules is irrelevant.
What I said is 100% true. Just ask a mod and you will see.

The movie is out already. Just because it's not yet out where we live doesn't mean it's invalid in the forums. To imply that the only important opening is the US opening is actually kind of racist.

LOL at the guy who apparently "forgot" that Loki tried to use the Bifrost to destroy Jotunheim in Thor 1, or that Loki secretly took over the throne at the end of TDW, already assuming that other people will misinterpret or lie about feats in a Thor film, simply because he has not seen the movie.

This pretty comfortably goes to WW. She's significantly faster than Thor and has a sword that could do some serious damage. I'm not seeing Thor having much of a chance here.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
LOL at the guy who apparently "forgot" that Loki tried to use the Bifrost to destroy Jotunheim in Thor 1, or that Loki secretly took over the throne at the end of TDW, already assuming that other people will misinterpret or lie about feats in a Thor film, simply because he has not seen the movie.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The movie is out already. Just because it's not yet out where we live doesn't mean it's invalid in the forums. To imply that the only important opening is the US opening is actually kind of racist.
Did you read this?
Originally posted by h1a8
There is no way to verify feats mentioned by other posters, especially if they are misinterpreted, out of context, or even happened. Finally, it is no guarantee that the U.S. version would be exactly the same.

Originally posted by h1a8
Did you read this?

You don't set the rules.

Originally posted by h1a8
Did you read this?

It's simple really. If you haven't watched it then you refrain from commenting about events of the movie. Same old same old.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't set the rules.

He is just trying to make up excuses to try and invalidate something just because he personally hasn't seen it. And quite frankly, being a racist douchebag about it. Because with his "can't verify" statement, he is basically saying that only US opinions on it are valid. Because apparently multiple posters from various other countries corroborating what they saw (which has already happened in various discussions on the topic) doesn't count.

And if there were going to be any significant differences between the US and international cuts, Marvel would have said so. And they'd be idiotic to do so, because fan outcry would be huge if only certain people got access to certain cuts. At best, some scenes might have small edits because of advertising or whatever. And even that they tend to point out. They've mentioned things like this in the past when, for example, a certain scene or shot had to be removed from a certain screening due to advertising laws, or what have you, of a certain country.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's already been released, that makes it usable. if you don't want to be spoiled you should probably avoid Thor topics until you've seen it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor's new movie not being usable is just your opinion and your opionion doesn't matter. If you believe it's usable then Go ahead. Try to use anything from it.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He is just trying to make up excuses to try and invalidate something just because he personally hasn't seen it. And quite frankly, being a racist douchebag about it. Because with his "can't verify" statement, he is basically saying that only US opinions on it are valid. Because apparently multiple posters from various other countries corroborating what they saw (which has already happened in various discussions on the topic) doesn't count.

And if there were going to be any significant differences between the US and international cuts, Marvel would have said so. And they'd be idiotic to do so, because fan outcry would be huge if only certain people got access to certain cuts. At best, some scenes might have small edits because of advertising or whatever. And even that they tend to point out. They've mentioned things like this in the past when, for example, a certain scene or shot had to be removed from a certain screening due to advertising laws, or what have you, of a certain country.


"There is no way to verify feats mentioned by other posters, especially if they are misinterpreted, out of context, or even happened. Finally, it is no guarantee that the U.S. version would be exactly the same."

Basically you didn't address the first sentence.

Originally posted by Impediment
People have been asking me about Ragnarok threads and I guess it's okay to do so since many people are telling me that they've already seen the film.

A word to the wise: If you haven't seen the new Thor film, STAY OUT OF THE VS THREAD SO YOU WON'T SEE SPOILERS.

You have been warned.


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=489610&pagenumber=981#post16385092

Thor crushes her head like an egg shell. Wonder Woman is so phucking over rated in every facet.

Originally posted by h1a8
"There is no way to verify feats mentioned by other posters, especially if they are misinterpreted, out of context, or even happened. Finally, it is no guarantee that the U.S. version would be exactly the same."

Basically you didn't address the first sentence.

That's what happens when you haven't watched a movie, same with other threads here. If they're discussing a movie you haven't watched, then just don't post there. It doesn't stop people who've actually watched the movie from making posts about it.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's what happens when you haven't watched a movie, same with other threads here. If they're discussing a movie you haven't watched, then just don't post there. It doesn't stop people who've actually watched the movie from making posts about it.

This is why his point is so idiotic. I can't verify what someone else says about a film I haven't seen either. Doesn't invalidate their discussion. The only way he could possibly find it an issue in this particular instance is if he believes that non-US people are inherently dumber and/or more dishonest than people from the US. Otherwise, there would be no need for a US poster to "verify" what multiple others have said. Because, as I already pointed out, if there were going to be any notable difference between the US cut and the international cut, it would have been publicized by now.

And besides, DT posted Imp's view on the matter. Ragnarok is valid, so H1 can cry all he likes.

Originally posted by h1a8
"There is no way to verify feats mentioned by other posters, especially if they are misinterpreted, out of context, or even happened. Finally, it is no guarantee that the U.S. version would be exactly the same."

Basically you didn't address the first sentence.

Contrary to what your mom and wall of participation trophies tell you, the world doesn't revolve around you. As such we don't have to restrict our debates to things you know about.

Well, what has happened before with the one MCU film (might have been with Age of Ultron, but I am honestly not sure) was a few minutes was cut from I think the Chinese release, due to some shots that contained certain product placement that didn't conform to some advertising constraints, or some such nonsense. But it was covered in the media at the time.

But I honestly can't recall the last time where the US release of a big blockbuster film had bits cut that were included in other areas. Especially not an MCU film. The actual film titles (in terms of posters, ads etc.) sometimes vary by country though.

In the vast majority of cases, any instances where there are really notable variations is when it's a cinematic vs extended cut. For example, there are multiple differences, big and small, between the DoFP cinematic release and the Rogue cut.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That's what happens when you haven't watched a movie, same with other threads here. If they're discussing a movie you haven't watched, then just don't post there. It doesn't stop people who've actually watched the movie from making posts about it.

It has to be accessible by all members to discuss. Otherwise, they cannot verify the feats.

The feat's could be lies, misinterpreted, exaggerated, etc.

Originally posted by h1a8
It has to be accessible by all members to discuss. Otherwise, they cannot verify the feats.

The feat's could be lies, misinterpreted, exaggerated, etc.

You don't make the rules. IMP already ruled on this.

Originally posted by h1a8
It has to be accessible by all members to discuss. Otherwise, they cannot verify the feats.

The feat's could be lies, misinterpreted, exaggerated, etc.

What part of "you don't make the rules" are you having trouble understanding?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What part of "you don't make the rules" are you having trouble understanding?

Is he still going on, even after what Imp said? Well, if he is going to ignore the actual Mod's ruling on the topic, then the rest of us are perfectly entitled to ignore his opinion on it.

But what I find the most hilarious is that this complaint is coming from a guy who routinely uses completely unverified statements about himself (such as being a math teacher, making 90+mph backcatches, being a martial arts expert etc.) as part of his arguments in threads.

Originally posted by h1a8
It has to be accessible by all members to discuss. Otherwise, they cannot verify the feats.

The feat's could be lies, misinterpreted, exaggerated, etc.


Get a flight to Europe and go watch it there then. If you can't afford to do that then stop whining about it and discuss the film feats when you are able to watch it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Get a flight to Europe and go watch it there then. If you can't afford to do that then stop whining about it and discuss the film feats when you are able to watch it.

Kinda mean, but yeah, if you haven't seen the movie yet, it's probably better if you stay out of the conversation until you have.

Just because the US doesn't have it yet, doesn't add some special exemption imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Kinda mean, but yeah, if you haven't seen the movie yet, it's probably better if you stay out of the conversation until you have.

Just because the US doesn't have it yet, doesn't add some special exemption imo.

Not really mean, considering H1 is continuing with his shtick despite Imp already making it clear that Thor: Ragnarok is usable. So, he is ignoring a mod ruling and has managed to derail this thread for more than a page in the process.

I was talking about the "can't afford it" part. That was kinda below the belt. The rest was fine.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I was talking about the "can't afford it" part. That was kinda below the belt. The rest was fine.


Come on it's a flight to Europe. That ain't exactly cheap (especially just to go watch a movie lol), so hardly an insult.

I found him saying people that aren't from America opinion as sub par offensive, and I'm American.

Seeing this tonight

Still leaning Diana though from spoilers apparently Surtur is pretty strong and Helas powers are a bit more implied

Surtur and Hela were both great.

Now that I think about it, the Thor films have had the best villains from modern day comic book movies.

At least this decade anyway.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I was talking about the "can't afford it" part. That was kinda below the belt. The rest was fine.

Not as "below the belt" as him implying that movie opinions aren't valid unless cross-checked by people from the US.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Surtur and Hela were both great.

Now that I think about it, the Thor films have had the best villains from modern day comic book movies.

At least this decade anyway.
Best or most powerful? It's a must if you mean the latter, because Thor is the most powerful Avenger

seeing thor on saturday, but to those that watched already, how is tessa thompson? does cate steal the film?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
seeing thor on saturday, but to those that watched already, how is tessa thompson? does cate steal the film?

You really want to know?

Not really a spoiler. Tessa is fine and no she doesnt.

Thor steals it. He's front and centre.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Not really a spoiler. Tessa is fine and no she doesnt.

Thor steals it. He's front and centre.


thanks

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Come on it's a flight to Europe. That ain't exactly cheap (especially just to go watch a movie lol), so hardly an insult.

Oh, I misunderstood then. My bad.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not as "below the belt" as him implying that movie opinions aren't valid unless cross-checked by people from the US.

This. Thor: Ragnarok has already made over $100 million in other countries. So, a lot of people outside the US have actually seen it. There are already dozens of threads, across various forums, Reddit etc. where people are discussing the film and feats from it. To imply that all of that is invalid simply because it didn't get someone from the US' seal of approval is, quite frankly, massively insulting to non-US people.

But hey, this just means that every time H1 makes personal claims, like being able to bench press 200lbs or more, back catching fast balls, being a martial arts expert etc. in arguments, we can point this thread out to him. After all, as far as the rest of us know, it could all be lies, exaggerated etc.

Not that it matters, Thor will be released tonight

Originally posted by -Pr-
1. Yes he did.



2. Holds no water to YOU.

1. Ok, I'll take your word on it.

2. Correct, and anyone else who has doubts.
Feats can't be verified. Feats are exaggerated, given out of wrong context, or misinterpreted. It's impossible to just go by someone's words. Even seasoned posters have been caught misinterpreting feats.

Or that of Impediment... Who I linked to.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Ok, I'll take your word on it.

2. Correct, and anyone else who has doubts.
Feats can't be verified. Feats are exaggerated, given out of wrong context, or misinterpreted. It's impossible to just go by someone's words. Even seasoned posters have been caught misinterpreting feats.

3 different people have quoted the mod, why do you keep ignoring it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
3 different people have quoted the mod, why do you keep ignoring it?

Well, like I said, this just gives the rest of us perfect justification to ignore anything he says from here on out. After all, if he won't even respect the word of a mod, why should anyone here listen to him? And I don't buy any argument that he has not seen the ruling at this point. Multiple people have posted Imp's statement, and even more have referred back to it.

Also, notice how he still dodges the fact that he himself has a history of using unverified personal claims in arguments, of which I have named multiple examples. So, in his mind, f*** what tons of non-US people have said about this film. It all means nothing unless he verifies it himself. But he regularly expects other people here to take his claims about himself as fact.

Thor beats the utter shit out of her.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor beats the utter shit out of her.

She kills him quickly. Stab or slice with super speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
She kills him quickly. Stab or slice with super speed.

LOL!!!

OK so is it just me or was Thors power up really not that impressive? I mean he took out a bunch of fodder but he still couldn't touch Hela and his fight with Hulk was still the same (slight upper hand on jolly green) only with much less restraint in the setting of an arena.

Having said that he's definitely much stronger than Diana at this time

Originally posted by relentless1
OK so is it just me or was Thors power up really not that impressive? I mean he took out a bunch of fodder but he still couldn't touch Hela and his fight with Hulk was still the same (slight upper hand on jolly green) only with much less restraint in the setting of an arena.

Having said that he's definitely much stronger than Diana at this time

He actually stabbed Hela a bunch of times. She just keeps healing from it. His power up was enough to almost knock Hulk out with a single punch. That's a decent power up considering Thor was already pretty powerful before.

Originally posted by relentless1
OK so is it just me or was Thors power up really not that impressive? I mean he took out a bunch of fodder but he still couldn't touch Hela and his fight with Hulk was still the same (slight upper hand on jolly green) only with much less restraint in the setting of an arena.

Having said that he's definitely much stronger than Diana at this time


I mean it was an upgrade in the sense that he learned to focus his power without Mjolnir's aid, but I don't really think it was an upgrade in the sense that he became more powerful without Mjolnir, then he ever was with Mjolnir.


Originally posted by FrothByte
He actually stabbed Hela a bunch of times. She just keeps healing from it. His power up was enough to almost knock Hulk out with a single punch. That's a decent power up considering Thor was already pretty powerful before.


He never went all out with his Lightning on Hulk before though. This was the first time.

Originally posted by h1a8
She kills him quickly. Stab or slice with super speed.

can you do your complicated math equations to describe this bro? you're really good at it. really such a smart guy

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I mean it was an upgrade in the sense that he learned to focus his power without Mjolnir's aid, but I don't really think it was an upgrade in the sense that he became more powerful without Mjolnir, then he ever was with Mjolnir.

Well, by the end of the film, he was spamming way more lightning in battle than he ever did before, even with Mjolnir. He also seemed able to harness more power more quickly. Like the strike he hit Hela with at one point was, according to him, something along the lines of the "biggest lightning bolt in the history of lightning", yet he called it down far more quickly than the Leviathan destroying bolt from Avengers. However, we only really have that one battle to go on, seeing as he hadn't quite figured it out during the Hulk fight. So, we haven't seen how powerful his other weather abilities, like the tornadoes and such, are at this point.

Also, not beating Hela is not really a low showing, considering she slaughtered her way through Asgard's army (so, was clearly WAY, WAY above normal Asgardians), and insta-healed from injuries.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He also seemed able to harness more power more quickly. Like the strike he hit Hela with at one point was, according to him, something along the lines of the "biggest lightning bolt in the history of lightning", yet he called it down far more quickly than the Leviathan destroying bolt from Avengers.


Fair point.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Fair point.

Not just that. At one point when he is fighting Hela's zombie Asgardian troops on the bridge, he charges them, and three consecutive lightning bolts strike in a line, in rapid succession, from the sky, blasting enemies apart seemingly purely by Thor's mental command. I don't recall him doing anything like that before the latest film. But yeah, I would still say that his ultimate striking power with Mjolnir is greater than what he has currently shown. And, also, as I mentioned previously, we have yet to see him use any other weather powers since losing the hammer.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not just that. At one point when he is fighting Hela's zombie Asgardian troops on the bridge, he charges them, and three consecutive lightning bolts strike in a line, in rapid succession, from the sky, blasting enemies apart seemingly purely by Thor's mental command. I don't recall him doing anything like that before the latest film. But yeah, I would still say that his ultimate striking power with Mjolnir is greater than what he has currently shown. And, also, as I mentioned previously, we have yet to see him use any other weather powers since losing the hammer.


What about his strike against the multiple Loki images in the first Thor?

So you think he's faster now, but his max Mjolnir strike would be more powerful?

Originally posted by h1a8
She kills him quickly. Stab or slice with super speed. False, and we see Thor by himself decimate far superior opposition than what WW needed aid to deal with in her film. You didn't even see the film you dolt.

Originally posted by relentless1
OK so is it just me or was Thors power up really not that impressive? I mean he took out a bunch of fodder but he still couldn't touch Hela and his fight with Hulk was still the same (slight upper hand on jolly green) only with much less restraint in the setting of an arena.

Having said that he's definitely much stronger than Diana at this time Thor would beat the utter shit out of Superman.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
What about his strike against the multiple Loki images in the first Thor?

So you think he's faster now, but his max Mjolnir strike would be more powerful?

That was one lightning strike, where Thor still stuck his hammer upwards to perform it. The Ragnarok example was three separate strikes, happening seemingly without any active gestures on his part.

Well, he seems to channel his lightning much faster, and in greater quantities, now. But I would say that things like the Sokovia strike is still his best pure striking feat. It's a pity. Would be interesting to see what he could have done with both Mjolnir and the Ragnarok boost. Because we know Mjolnir helps him focus and control his power, so it stands to reason that he would be able to draw on his newfound potential even more effectively than he did at the end of Ragnarok.

Diana better pour the speed on quick and go for a decapitation.

Originally posted by playa1258
Diana better pour the speed on quick and go for a decapitation.

We argue in character.

But at the same time, he also tells Thor that power has always been inside him, and then even has the "I'm not as strong as you"/"No. You're stronger" comment at the end. And Odin was a bit confusing with regards to the whole Asgard thing. He tells them they draw power from Asgard. But then later tells Thor that Asgard is a people, not a place. And Thor was already beginning to draw on that power on Sakaar as well, far away from Asgard.

At the end of the day, the final battle is the only one where we see him really tap into his power without any kind of restrictions. So, we can either take it at face value until we get new information that contradicts it. Or spend an endless amount of time speculating just exactly how much (if any) extra power he got being on Asgard. 10%? 15%? 50%? Impossible to say, so kind of pointless to pursue.