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You argue that Superman is no more than Cap/Adam/Elite Class 100 level at full strength and his strength is no more dynamic than any other top tier.

Prove that laughable goofball piece of shit claim.

as of a couple years back the following writers have written this ability:
Byrne
Hudnall
Jurgens
Stern
Orway
Simonson
Carlin
Berganza
Loeb
Casey
DeMattheis
Schulz
Kelly
Rucka
Johns
Busiek
Robinson

Now add Pak for the Nu52 version, Tomasi for Rebirth, etc

Let's begin:



Byrne, the creator of the Post-Crisis Superman:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/JohnByrne-SupermansstrenghthI-asstrongashebelievesheis.jpg

Superman's power-level is detemined by his Force of Will:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20FebAction%20585%20-powered%20by%20lifeforce%20and%20will/th_ac_585_09.jpg


Superman's powerlevels go down and up again due to his mind:

Wolfman and Ordway

While unconscious he's invulnerable, while awake(with amnesia thus forgetting his powers) he goes down to being hurt by firel:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p05.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p06.jpg

Superman's holding back factor is not simple him pulling his punches, when he access his internal powers he gets more durable, etc.

He regains his power-levels-- due to beleieving he's mroe powerful thanks to Darkseid;s mental influence:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations6.jpg

Red Glass - establishing via precedent in 1991 that an unleashed and insane with power Superman's subconsciously supressed potential power was superior to Darkseid in direct combat, and could kill top tiers like GL Guy, J'Onn, Captain Atom and Elemental Firestorm with EASE in 2-3 attacks:
http://s764.photobucket.com/user/panthergodII/library/Superman/1991%20Red%20Glass%20-%20All%20Out%20precedent

Yeah but JBL is friends with all of them.

LMAO!!!! Show one of those writers say that superman is equal to CM, BA UNTIL he stops holding back. Lol

Than the CULMINATION of that long running subplot and theme-began in Byrne's run, continued through Post Byrne/Carlin editorial era, thriough to DoS:



As to the original fight and story, yes, DD was stated numerous times to be at least as strong as before, to be growing in strength, to me literally laughing at Suoperman's standard level covnentional attacks, etc:

"is he growing stronger:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsday3_AoSM497_11.jpg

"the harder i fight, the more Doomsday likes it! He's been fighting MOST OF THE DAY, but he still seems as eager-- and as strong--as ever! ":
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsdaySMAC648_10.jpg

His most effective attack before the end, which dazes DD... he's just laughing at Supe's strikes and Supes is hurrting himself on DD's hide a few pages later:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsdaySMAC648_14.jpg
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsdaySMAC648_17.jpg
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsdaySMAC648_18.jpg

DD one-shots Matrix Superman -- WELL beyond what a standard Supes could do at the time:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsday5_MoS19_15.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsday5_MoS19_16.jpg

Now here's the last decent shot Supes put in, bloodying DD's mouth, before the end -- HOPING that DD was as tired as he--not NOTING him being tired, just HOPING that he was tired -- which all throughout the last issue until Supes goes all out, he's still dominating him with ease, NO signs of being tired;
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_ag_doomsday5_MoS19_21.jpg

Supes 75:

DD still easily dominating Supes:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-03.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-04.jpg



after kissing Lois good bye... still gets stomped:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-07.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-08.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-09.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-11.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-12.jpg

Once Lois is directly viscerally threatened that's when his SUBCONSCIOUS mind allows him to break the mental blocks suppressing his innate potential power at he gets powerful to truly hurt, weaken, and kill Doomsday, within a few moments:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-13.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-14.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-15.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-16.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-17.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-18.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-19.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-20.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-21.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/th_Supermanv2075-22.jpg

the creators of DoS went out of their way to make clear that YES, Doomsday had a Hulk like anger fueled increasing strength factor, confirming Superman's speculations:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/th_DA1_33.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/th_DA1_34.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/th_DA1_35.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/th_DA1_36.jpg

who wrote that scene? Roger Stern, co-writer of DoS, writer of the novelization:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1995%20-%20Doomsday%20Annual%20Year%20One/th_DA1_31.jpg



Roger Stern, among the main writers of DoS, described the fight via prose in the novelization at the time, making clear in words the intent of the end of the fight -- it was ONLY Superman's all out attacks that finally weakened Doomsday -- Superman surging with energy, tapped into reserves of power he'd never tapped before, and used blows he had never dared use on a living being:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/DeathofSuperman-RogerSternNoveli-1.jpg

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1992%20-%20Death%20of%20Superman/DeathofSuperman-RogerSternNovelisat.jpg

JBL looks to be in the lead so far. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out when he gets serious.

subsequent retellings showed this time and again -- the last moments between Superman going all out and DD dying was mere MOMENTS:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2003%20-%20Day%20of%20Doom%2002%20-%20DoS%20reenactment/th_P00009_zpse4c1993a.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2003%20-%20Day%20of%20Doom%2002%20-%20DoS%20reenactment/th_P00010_zpse356636d.jpg

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_07_zpsbb32732b.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_08_zpsedd322b6.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_09_zps10f0cf59.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_10_zps69da1576.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_14_zps0b8848d1.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_15_zps20cdf1d5.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_20_zpsc80ebdfe.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_21_zps7e4b9b54.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2011%20-%20DCUniverse%20Legacies%2007%20-%20DoS%20renactment/th_22_zpsba0a9a00.jpg

Finally, Superman Rebirth making everything 100% clear: Doomsday was ALWAYS increasing ih strrength throughtout the fight, and ONLY at the end when Superman go all out did Superman overcome his anger fueled dynamic strength via using his full power against a living being for the first time in his life:

http://i.imgur.com/J3OqGpQt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/15qDZXFt.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SFQsnW4t.jpg


Why did Superman die against doomsday? his human self limiting mindset and self image, which controls his power-levels:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1993%20Jan%20-%20Adventures%20500%20-/th_week11-1993-Adv_Supes-500-38.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1993%20Jan%20-%20Adventures%20500%20-/th_week11-1993-Adv_Supes-500-39.jpg

And we DIRECTLY saw what would happen if a Superman with a more confident mindset enters Superman's consciousness at the time of the Doomsday fight:

Earth 2 Superman takes Post Crisis Superman's place at the end of DoS:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2005%20Infinite%20Crisis/02-%20Action%20Comics%20836/th_P00015.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2005%20Infinite%20Crisis/02-%20Action%20Comics%20836/th_P00016.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2005%20Infinite%20Crisis/02-%20Action%20Comics%20836/th_P00017.jpg

And what is the difference between Post Crisis Superman and Kal-L?
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2009%20-%2010-11%20-%20Blackest%20Night%20Superman%20-%20vs%20Kal-L/BN%20Superman%2001/th_P00018_zpsaf826aaf.jpg

"You were always cautious -- scared of your powers. me-- even as a kid--- why, I'd leap tall buildings in a single bound."

mindset - Kal-L wasn't taught to suppress his powers the way post Crisis Clark was.

Jurgens(writer of Superman 75) an Slott on how Superman's mental access to his powers work-- showing his mental control over his physical stats allows him to nearly be killed because he BELIEVED he should be killed because his subconscious mind believes Dr. Destiny's dream illusion:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/th_JLAClassified33-SlottJurgens-Superman-holdingbacksubconscious.jpg



In Sterns novelization of DoS it specifically says in no uncertain terms that he surged with energy, tapped into reserves of power he'd never tapped before, and used blows he had never dared use on a living being. It also says that Doomsday weakened AFTER Superman finally went all out.

It's funny. Loeb used just about the exact phrases to describe Superman's dynamic factor in the No Limits storyline.

It's funny. Loeb used just about the exact phrases to describe Superman's dynamic factor in the No Limits storyline.

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1999%20Dec-Feb%20No%20Limits%20Superman%20152-153/Supermanv2152-05.jpg

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1999%20Dec-Feb%20No%20Limits%20Superman%20152-153/Supermanv2152-15.jpg

Superman put everything he had into that last strike against doomsday. He got no stronger.

Superman believing that the Daily Planet Globe is Krypton cause it to crush him to death because his power levels are dependent upon his mind:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2001%20-%20Where%20Is%20Thy%20Sting/th_supersting-17.jpg
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2001%20-%20Where%20Is%20Thy%20Sting/th_supersting-18.jpg

Lmao

When you gotta make a thread to roast a troll who hates Superman.

Post IC : Up, Up and Away storyline:

Superman 650:

Superman is human level. to the point here Lex Luthor can beat him up:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/01%20-%20Superman%20650/th_scan0022_zpsefpz9x22.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/01%20-%20Superman%20650/th_scan0023_zpscljowrck.jpg

Action 837:
Clark explaining his mindset:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/02%20-%20Action%20Comics%20837/th_ActionComics837p08_zpsdd7dkedr.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/02%20-%20Action%20Comics%20837/th_ActionComics837p09_zpsndj4osfu.jpg

Clark has a change ton get a GL ring
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/02%20-%20Action%20Comics%20837/th_ActionComics837p21_zps2besaofz.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/02%20-%20Action%20Comics%20837/th_ActionComics837p22_zpsjwx6nuds.jpg

Suuperman 651

the GL ring doesnt quite take:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/03%20-%20Superman%20651/th_Superman%20v1%20651%2001_zps8lxjzmyu.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/03%20-%20Superman%20651/th_Superman%20v1%20651%2002_zpslmnoihpw.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/03%20-%20Superman%20651/th_Superman%20v1%20651%2004_zpsogpwewfc.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/03%20-%20Superman%20651/th_Superman%20v1%20651%2005_zpshjqizrdc.jpg

why? -- he thinks of himself as a normal human, NOT as Superman any more
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/03%20-%20Superman%20651/th_Superman%20v1%20651%2005_zpshjqizrdc.jpg

Superman can suppresse his powers just like every hero or villain can. He CANNOT mentally raise it. If I go out and wrestle my 4 year old, I MENTALLY suppress my strength to not hurt him, now if a big grown man comes and attack my son, I'm going to attack with far greater strength than that I used on my son. That'd how superman works. He gets no stronger, he just goes from not using his full strength to using it. Unless you think I have dynamic strength.

Action 838:

At first his body was rejecting solar energy due to red sun+kryptonite exposure at the end of Infinite Crisis:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/04%20-%20Action%20Comics%20838/th_ActionComics838p01_zpszdvyr4bu.jpg
Then..
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/04%20-%20Action%20Comics%20838/th_ActionComics838p05_zpsxt97p0yf.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/04%20-%20Action%20Comics%20838/th_ActionComics838p06_zpsuyazhjoa.jpg

Action 839

Explaining IC, how he lost his powers, and why they didn't return -- subconsciously he didn't WANT them back, so he suppressed them:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_02_zpsbt7rvehk.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_02_zpsbt7rvehk.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_03_zpsvpaqwysx.jpg

Back in the fight, he gets an intellect upgrade and access his long dormant --since COIE -- Super-intelligence:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_05_zpsgaewvyra.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_06_zpsonibbja1.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_07_zpsbdzxh5ux.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_08_zpscw1afndr.jpg

explaining to Lois:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2006-05%20-%20Up%20Up%20and%20Away/06%20-%20Action%20Comics%20839/th_10_zpsjn3y5odi.jpg

JBL is setting a Skype conference call up right now.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman can suppresse his powers just like every hero or villain can. He CANNOT mentally raise it. If I go out and wrestle my 4 year old, I MENTALLY suppress my strength to not hurt him, now if a big grown man comes and attack my son, I'm going to attack with far greater strength than that I used on my son. That'd how superman works. He gets no stronger, he just goes from not using his full strength to using it. Unless you think I have dynamic strength.

Superman's subconscious mental control over his stats suppressed his powers--including involuntary stats like vision and durability-- down. Hence his own mind crushing his body to death under Jurgens. His ttsandard levels were him supressing his power. Period.

under Robinson, Supergirl's depression depowered her and was killing her-- just due to her mindset. Kryptonite can fluctuate their stats due to thier mind. Not up for dispute. dont like it? you opinion on these characters is null and void.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Lmao

When you gotta make a thread to roast a troll who hates Superman. He made a thread making a fool of himself because all he is showing is superman suppressing his powers. Tell your fellow superman lover to show superman mentally raising his strength troll.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman put everything he had into that last strike against doomsday. He got no stronger.

The writers of the strry say you're an illiterate buffoon. H is strength was innate, but suppressed. meaning, when not supressing it, his strength level went up-- hence increased in output. By your argument when Superman goes from human level to top tier due to his mind accesssing mroe of the innate power he usually suppresse, his strength isnt increasing right? GTFOH

Further, it wasn't really everything he had. Superman had no conscious idea of his full power at that point, as Loeb/Casey/Schultz and later Johns and Busiek made clear. And even then, he was still being weakened due to Dr. Mantattan splitting him apart into Post Crisis/Nu 52 Superman.

Originally posted by JBL
He made a thread making a fool of himself because all he is showing is superman suppressing his powers. Tell your fellow superman lover to show superman mentally raising his strength troll.
Not suppressing his strength he is raising it.

Dumbass.

Originally posted by panthergod
Not suppressing his strength he is raising it.

Dumbass. Show superman raising his strength mentally you idiot. If he could raise his strength mentally, then it would have been shown and mentioned in thousands of comics you moron. His power surging is because he us fighting like mongul taught him idiot. Post the scan where he fought black Adam and talked about mental blocks. Then post the scan where he and mongul fought and mongul told what happened moron.

Rofl.

This thread is full of shit.

Fortunately, JBL is bringing it back to reason.

I would love to partake in this thread but he called JBL out, so I am respecting his wishes.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
JBL looks to be in the lead so far. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out when he gets serious.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
JBL looks to be in the lead so far. It'll be interesting to see how this turns out when he gets serious.

this is the only post JBL made in this thread before your post:

Originally posted by JBL
LMAO!!!! Show one of those writers say that superman is equal to CM, BA UNTIL he stops holding back. Lol

This argument, to you, signifies being 'in the lead'. lol.

Dont troll my thread again.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman can suppresse his powers just like every hero or villain can.

BTW, prove this lie.

Prove that every single hero and villain can fluctuate their stats level by a factor of billions via their mind like Superman has demonstratively done.

Originally posted by panthergod
BTW, prove this lie.

Prove that every single hero and villain can fluctuate their stats level by a factor of billions via their mind like Superman has demonstratively done. So now superman can raise his strength, speed, durability, heatvision and freeze breath by a factor of billions with his mind? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! watch out Galactus, tyrant and rune king Thor. This is Gold. Lol

Never change JBL.

Originally posted by abhilegend


Never change JBL. Hey abhil, how you doing?

Originally posted by JBL
Hey abhil, how you doing?
Better than you in this thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Better than you in this thread. Lol, I know you are, by the way, who's your favorite hero again?

Well that invalidates the whole thread, doesn't it?

Anybody who's read Superman even tangentially knows that he has dynamic power, consisting in both unconscious blocks that take his output from OWAW levels to 'normal' levels , and also rising power-levels that vary his sun-input .

This is undeniable.

I think Panthergod is making a comeback. He might be too far behind though, but we'll see if he can make up the distance

The sad thing is Panthergod is right. The sadder thing is JBL got this far into his head.

You superman fans must all share the same brain. Superman DOES NOT have dynamic strength. His strength is set in stone UNLESS he sundip. That owaw excuse is getting old. That's ALL you superman fans have??? Out of 60 plus years, is that it??? Even though mongul taught him how to fight for the kill? Yet you try and twist it to fit your agenda because h12 started that lie? So superman can fight someone holding back and then start using his full strength and you fans cheer he has dynamic strength?? What a joke, but I know you want him to be the best at everything so you all agree hoping others will believe that lie. 60 plus years of getting his ass whipped, watching his friend and normal people get killed by bad guys, stalemated by CM and others, getting overpowered by stronger villains and even getting killed, yet he has dynamic strength even though he runs to the sun to get stronger or recharge. Like I said before... OWAW stands for Our Wanking And WIshing.So the next time he gets beaten or overpowered, let's all say he couldn't help it because he has mental blocks he placed on himself or came out of nowhere that he doesn't know about. Yeah, that explains the 60 plus years of ass whoopings. We get it now. Thanks.

NO actually he is saying the truth its just some people blatantly dont want to accept the truth,what does it take to admitt it (am guessing for someone to worship you guys).I mean how else do you want panther god to explain it.i dont see any other means

Also in his 60 plus years, writers increased and decreased his strength and powers MANY times letting people with common sense know the writers themselves capped his strength. So you have weaker and stronger versions of the character. So if they increased or decreased his strength, they had a starting point right?? Yeah, dynamic strength my ass. Lol

Originally posted by JBL
Also in his 60 plus years, writers increased and decreased his strength and powers MANY times letting people with common sense know the writers themselves capped his strength. So you have weaker and stronger versions of the character. So if they increased or decreased his strength, they had a starting point right?? Yeah, dynamic strength my ass. Lol Good point.

Originally posted by $on OF krypton
NO actually he is saying the truth its just some people blatantly dont want to accept the truth,what does it take to admitt it (am guessing for someone to worship you guys).I mean how else do you want panther god to explain it.i dont see any other means Son of krypton huh?? That's superman right?? Yeah, of course YOU side with ANOTHER superman worshipper. You are siding with him about a character that you claim has dynamic strength that even the writers who increased and decrease his strength didn't know about. LMAO.You can only increased or decrease someone's strength if it's SET IN STONE. End of debate.

Panthergod is a Superman hating idiot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is Superman stated to be more powerful than Shazam, Hal Jordan and the test of Justice League combined.



So no writer has shown him stronger than Captain Marvel or Black Adam, eh?

BTW that's not Hal with Krona gauntlet.. Hal doesn't even have the gauntlet in the final justice league arc

Originally posted by JBL
Also in his 60 plus years, writers increased and decreased his strength and powers MANY times letting people with common sense know the writers themselves capped his strength. So you have weaker and stronger versions of the character. So if they increased or decreased his strength, they had a starting point right?? Yeah, dynamic strength my ass. Lol

I mean this with the UTMOST of respect.

You REALLY lack the intelligence to grasp what is being presented to you.

The reason the writers have Superman's powers "Increase" and "Decrease" is to PERFECTLY ILLUSTRATE the dynamic aspect of his powers. That has been EXPLICITLY shown to you now for several pages.

Using your own logic(HA! if they "Capped" Superman's strength how do you explain the MYRIAD of examples where they increase WITHOUT a Sundip?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is Superman stated to be more powerful than Shazam, Hal Jordan and the test of Justice League combined.



So no writer has shown him stronger than Captain Marvel or Black Adam, eh? Thor is more powerful than Kurse but not stronger. Post the scans where it's stated that BA and MM were more powerful than superman. Stop cherry picking . Superman can sundip and the others cannot, learn to read between the lines.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I mean this with the UTMOST of respect.

You REALLY lack the intelligence to grasp what is being presented to you.

The reason the writers have Superman's powers "Increase" and "Decrease" is to PERFECTLY ILLUSTRATE the dynamic aspect of his powers. That has been EXPLICITLY shown to you now for several pages.

Using your own logic(HA! if they "Capped" Superman's strength how do you explain the MYRIAD of examples where they increase WITHOUT a Sundip? Are you retarded? In order to increase or decrease his strength, it HAD to be at a pre-set point. There is NO mention of freaking mental blocks. You superman fans are really nuts because YOU are now claiming the writers are his mental blocks. If they have to write him stronger or weaker, that alone tells you the character does not have dynamic strength. Wow!!

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
BTW that's not Hal with Krona gauntlet.. Hal doesn't even have the gauntlet in the final justice league arc
That scene is before that point. Hal has the same costume as when he had Krona gauntlet. Originally posted by JBL
Thor is more powerful than Kurse but not stronger. Post the scans where it's stated that BA and MM were more powerful than superman. Stop cherry picking . Superman can sundip and the others cannot, learn to read between the lines.
Where is Thor stated to be more powerful than Kurse?

Superman wasn't sundipping to be more powerful. Vandal Savage was draining him constantly and he was completely drained by then.

Originally posted by JBL
Are you retarded? In order to increase or decrease his strength, it HAD to be at a pre-set point. There is NO mention of freaking mental blocks. You superman fans are really nuts because YOU are now claiming the writers are his mental blocks. If they have to write him stronger or weaker, that alone tells you the character does not have dynamic strength. Wow!!
So even when it's directly stated you can't be convinced?

What would it take for you to be convinced that Superman has mental blocks and can increase his strength?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That scene is before that point. Hal has the same costume as when he had Krona gauntlet.
Where is Thor stated to be more powerful than Kurse?

Superman wasn't sundipping to be more powerful. Vandal Savage was draining him constantly and he was completely drained by then.

No he didn't. That is clearly his outfit when he was a lantern his gauntlet suit had a lot more white

Hal didn't have kronas gauntlet until post darkseid war.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So even when it's directly stated you can't be convinced?

What would it take for you to be convinced that Superman has mental blocks and can increase his strength? It has never been stated that superman can increase his strength mentally. He can hold back his then go from that to using full strength ANY time he wants or needs to. ANY character can do that. Hell, I can do it. Now I got dynamic strength. Superman fighting those probes like a sissy and then getting trained to fight like a man is not now not will it ever be dynamic strength.

Originally posted by JBL
Are you retarded? In order to increase or decrease his strength, it HAD to be at a pre-set point. There is NO mention of freaking mental blocks. You superman fans are really nuts because YOU are now claiming the writers are his mental blocks. If they have to write him stronger or weaker, that alone tells you the character does not have dynamic strength. Wow!!

I REST MY CASE!

JBL IS A MORONIC MENTAL MIDGET!!!

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
No he didn't. That is clearly his outfit when he was a lantern his gauntlet suit had a lot more white

Hal didn't have kronas gauntlet until post darkseid war. You caught a superman fan twisting scans and lying. That happens a lot here. I got me one lying too. Lol

Originally posted by panthergod
You argue that Superman is no more than Cap/Adam/Elite Class 100 level at full strength and his strength is no more dynamic than any other top tier.

Prove that laughable goofball piece of shit claim.

as of a couple years back the following writers have written this ability:
Byrne
Hudnall
Jurgens
Stern
Orway
Simonson
Carlin
Berganza
Loeb
Casey
DeMattheis
Schulz
Kelly
Rucka
Johns
Busiek
Robinson

Now add Pak for the Nu52 version, Tomasi for Rebirth, etc


Byrne had the most interesting take, linking his powers to a bio-aura, that can be extended to objects like buildings or people.

And when he lost his memories, he also lost his powers. You can't get more definitive a link to his state of mind and powers then that.

Originally posted by cdtm
Byrne had the most interesting take, linking his powers to a bio-aura, that can be extended to objects like buildings or people.

And when he lost his memories, he also lost his powers. You can't get more definitive a link to his state of mind and powers then that. True enough on all counts.

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
No he didn't. That is clearly his outfit when he was a lantern his gauntlet suit had a lot more white

Hal didn't have kronas gauntlet until post darkseid war.
He has the same costume here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FK3f_lcgVxU/Vut8fpLEbVI/AAAAAAAAJnQ/wWxATf5y0xgk9rAV1rM3wmXT34DcusMZQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO024.jpg

Action Comics 50.

Byrne superman was one of the weakest supermen.

Originally posted by JBL
It has never been stated that superman can increase his strength mentally. He can hold back his then go from that to using full strength ANY time he wants or needs to. ANY character can do that. Hell, I can do it. Now I got dynamic strength. Superman fighting those probes like a sissy and then getting trained to fight like a man is not now not will it ever be dynamic strength.
So in other words nothing can convince you right?

Originally posted by JBL
You caught a superman fan twisting scans and lying. That happens a lot here. I got me one lying too. Lol Originally posted by abhilegend
He has the same costume here.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FK3f_lcgVxU/Vut8fpLEbVI/AAAAAAAAJnQ/wWxATf5y0xgk9rAV1rM3wmXT34DcusMZQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO024.jpg

Action Comics 50.
Was it now?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gXYuHdkFIsk/WbqhpB1yj7I/AAAAAAABmxw/Ut46B_oXdYg5T2MfVd3ud0ev6E2dQ-pugCLcBGAs/s1600/057_0020.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cmQmax_hY-w/WbqhpZtSEuI/AAAAAAABmx4/uz_L5iENRj0ZtfeWEFFphpWSSXfyG3zzQCLcBGAs/s1600/057_0021.jpg

Byrne Superman wasn't weak. Only the most averse to causing injury.

Originally posted by cdtm
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gXYuHdkFIsk/WbqhpB1yj7I/AAAAAAABmxw/Ut46B_oXdYg5T2MfVd3ud0ev6E2dQ-pugCLcBGAs/s1600/057_0020.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cmQmax_hY-w/WbqhpZtSEuI/AAAAAAABmx4/uz_L5iENRj0ZtfeWEFFphpWSSXfyG3zzQCLcBGAs/s1600/057_0021.jpg

Byrne Superman wasn't weak. Only the most averse to causing injury. So superman knew his full strength right? Set in stone right? Lol. Superman holding back was going to get him killed meaning he wasn't equal to a being just as strong as him right? So superman had to use his full set in stone strength to fight back evenly right. He had to hit him with everything he had right, just like hitting DD and those probes right? Because fighting like a sissy would, I don't know... Rob him of victory like mongul said right??? In other words... Superman HIMSELF knows his strength is set in stone. Again dynamic strength my ass. Thanks for the scan. It really hurt supermans dynamic strength case. 👍

Originally posted by abhilegend
So in other words nothing can convince you right? Didn't the 4 horsemen say that Black Adam was more powerful than superman?

Originally posted by JBL
So superman knew his full strength right? Set in stone right? Lol. Superman holding back was going to get him killed meaning he wasn't equal to a being just as strong as him right? So superman had to use his full set in stone strength to fight back evenly right. He had to hit him with everything he had right, just like hitting DD and those probes right? Because fighting like a sissy would, I don't know... Rob him of victory like mongul said right??? In other words... Superman HIMSELF knows his strength is set in stone. Again dynamic strength my ass. Thanks for the scan. It really hurt supermans dynamic strength case. 👍
That's like the most lulz worthy logic I've ever seen.

Also he shattered that Bizarro clone.

https://s18.postimg.org/4s0j3tcp1/image.jpg https://s18.postimg.org/c7zspm845/image.jpg

So much for stone set strength eh? The previous punches did nothing to Bizarro.

Originally posted by JBL
Didn't the 4 horsemen say that Black Adam was more powerful than superman?
No. And Black Adam was amped at that time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's like the most lulz worthy logic I've ever seen.

Also he shattered that Bizarro clone.

https://s18.postimg.org/4s0j3tcp1/image.jpg https://s18.postimg.org/c7zspm845/image.jpg

So much for stone set strength eh? The previous punches did nothing to Bizarro. No one can be this dumb. Do you understand anything?

JBL's trolling is very good

Originally posted by Putinbot1
JBL's trolling is very good He's not trolling, just coming off the Tide Pods.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is Superman stated to be more powerful than Shazam, Hal Jordan and the test of Justice League combined.



So no writer has shown him stronger than Captain Marvel or Black Adam, eh?

He drained Superman of his power over time. We are talking about a guy that absorbs energy from the sun which means that continuously draining a guy of his power over time that can get restored by the Ray's of the sun makes this ft irrelevant.

Originally posted by cdtm
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gXYuHdkFIsk/WbqhpB1yj7I/AAAAAAABmxw/Ut46B_oXdYg5T2MfVd3ud0ev6E2dQ-pugCLcBGAs/s1600/057_0020.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cmQmax_hY-w/WbqhpZtSEuI/AAAAAAABmx4/uz_L5iENRj0ZtfeWEFFphpWSSXfyG3zzQCLcBGAs/s1600/057_0021.jpg

Byrne Superman wasn't weak. Only the most averse to causing injury.

What does these scans prove? He said he pull his punches which every single hero does. He fought someone that he was capable of cutting loose against.

Originally posted by panthergod
Let's begin:



Byrne, the creator of the Post-Crisis Superman:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/JohnByrne-SupermansstrenghthI-asstrongashebelievesheis.jpg

Superman's power-level is detemined by his Force of Will:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20FebAction%20585%20-powered%20by%20lifeforce%20and%20will/th_ac_585_09.jpg


Superman's powerlevels go down and up again due to his mind:

Wolfman and Ordway

While unconscious he's invulnerable, while awake(with amnesia thus forgetting his powers) he goes down to being hurt by firel:
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p05.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/02-%20Adventures%20of%20Superman%20426/th_AdventuresOfSuperman426p06.jpg

Superman's holding back factor is not simple him pulling his punches, when he access his internal powers he gets more durable, etc.

He regains his power-levels-- due to beleieving he's mroe powerful thanks to Darkseid;s mental influence:

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations3.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations5.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/MentalRegulations6.jpg

Red Glass - establishing via precedent in 1991 that an unleashed and insane with power Superman's subconsciously supressed potential power was superior to Darkseid in direct combat, and could kill top tiers like GL Guy, J'Onn, Captain Atom and Elemental Firestorm with EASE in 2-3 attacks:
http://s764.photobucket.com/user/panthergodII/library/Superman/1991%20Red%20Glass%20-%20All%20Out%20precedent

All of these scans are about him pulling his punches which again, every hero does this. Then, your first scan is about his bio force field and he doesn't even have that anymore. So any strength gain he got from that doesn't apply anymore since that has been taken away.

Also, him beating Doomsday does not give HIM dynamic strength... this just tells us he had the power to beat Doomsday. A great example of this would be Hulk vs Abomination. Abomination has wrecked hulk before, even with his dynamic power, but that doesn't mean Abomination all of a sudden gain dynamic power. This applies to everyone who have defeated Hulk.

This is the saddest thread ever.

Hey everyone, check it out. Spider-Man must have dynamic strength too.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#2
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#3
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#4
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#5
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#6

Thank God he fought through those mental blocks.

Originally posted by carver9
He drained Superman of his power over time. We are talking about a guy that absorbs energy from the sun which means that continuously draining a guy of his power over time that can get restored by the Ray's of the sun makes this ft irrelevant. Superman was specifically not getting powered back up due to poisoning, you unrepentant moron. That's why he was getting weaker and weaker. That's why by the end of the arc he was basically a street leveler.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/sp/3d379f8b080a87a9caa63274191db2e7/IgnorantMarvelFanboys.png

Edit: Saw abhi already posted the scan. Oh well.

Mental blocks = SUBCONSCIOUSLY holding back

Other Heroes SOMETIMES holds back CONSCIOUSLY (never subconsciously).

Originally posted by h1a8
Mental blocks = SUBCONSCIOUSLY holding back

Other Heroes SOMETIMES holds back CONSCIOUSLY (never subconsciously).

thank u very much. THATS IT

Originally posted by tkitna
This is the saddest thread ever.

Hey everyone, check it out. Spider-Man must have dynamic strength too.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#2
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#3
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#4
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#5
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#6

Thank God he fought through those mental blocks.

So true.

Originally posted by tkitna
This is the saddest thread ever.

Hey everyone, check it out. Spider-Man must have dynamic strength too.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#2
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#3
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#4
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#5
http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-33?id=4000#6

Thank God he fought through those mental blocks.

uh... Yeah.

The Other Storyline established that conclusively.

And?

They both have super speed too.

*gasp*

Originally posted by panthergod
uh... Yeah.

The Other Storyline established that conclusively.

And?

They both have super speed too.

*gasp*

I know right? It makes me think that all heros (hell, everybody for that matter) has so called dynamic strength and that this whole Superman thread is just a bunch of fanboys spewing BS as usual.

Originally posted by tkitna
I know right? It makes me think that all heros (hell, everybody for that matter) has so called dynamic strength and that this whole Superman thread is just a bunch of fanboys spewing BS as usual.

Just like every hero has super speed and strength right?

I'm sure you have no problem matching Supermans proven ability to fluctuate physical Stats By a factor of Millions due to then.

Let's see the feats.

Idiot.

Sentry is a way better character (and he has better feats).

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sentry is a way better character (and he has better feats).

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sentry is a way better character (and he has better feats).

DEMONIC LIES!!!

Sentry is a leftover Superman subplot. Nothing more.

Let the butthurt flow through you.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Let the butthurt flow through you.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6a/25/4d/6a254daad9459d8ff2039399af56dec0--marvel-sentry-the-shield.jpg

HELICARRIER 1 SENTRY 0

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6a/25/4d/6a254daad9459d8ff2039399af56dec0--marvel-sentry-the-shield.jpg

HELICARRIER 1 SENTRY 0





In fairness, that Helicarrier was nursing a pretty bad grudge against the Avengers.

Poor thing was laid up for months.

Originally posted by panthergod

I'm sure you have no problem matching Supermans proven ability to fluctuate physical Stats By a factor of Millions due to then.


Lol. Every character with some type of super strength fluctuates their physical stats all the time or they wouldn't be able to deal with day to day issues. The problem is the superman sack lickers like yourself try to paint the guy as having more versatility than he really does. The character has a set strength or he wouldn't have instances of needing to amp with the sun. He is conscious of how much he holds back. Dynamic strength my ass.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6a/25/4d/6a254daad9459d8ff2039399af56dec0--marvel-sentry-the-shield.jpg

HELICARRIER 1 SENTRY 0

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39453/3018232-the+death+of+superman+tpb+-+page+90.jpg

Gas Station 1 Superman 0

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. Every character with some type of super strength fluctuates their physical stats all the time or they wouldn't be able to deal with day to day issues.
And?

Every character with super speed has to fluctauet their strength too.

So according to you, evety character in comics can fluctyatue their speed to the EXACT same degree that Superman does.

Prove that claim.


No,l the problem is that retards like you, who do NOT read Superman comics, pretend that they have ANYTHING valid to say to those of us who actually read his comics and are literate enough to comprehend what is in them.

Kid, you have NOTHING valid to say here.



Except not, as we see him fluctate his physical stats by a factor of millions, from Class 100 top tier to human level; and his Class 100 levels are him similarly suppressing Skyfather level physical stats.

'Dynamic' does not mean=Hulk retard.




He controls his strength both consciously and subconsciously. His standard levels are him weakening himself subconsciously.

At this point you're just proving yourself to be a complete and utter idiot.





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http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/th_JLAClassified33-SlottJurgens-Superman-holdingbacksubconscious.jpg

tkitna -- shut the f8ck up.

Originally posted by panthergod
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/th_JLAClassified33-SlottJurgens-Superman-holdingbacksubconscious.jpg

tkitna -- shut the f8ck up. Fail. ANY Character can suppresses their strength. Superman DOES NOT HAVE dynamic strength. Every writers that has ever worked with DC or Marvel or both ALL agree that Hulk strength will greatly surpass supermans when he gets angry. Now in order for that to happen and be agreed upon, supermans strength HAS to be set in stone, at a certain point, and known by the writers. You will NEVER hear any of them say this character is stronger than superman until he drops his mental blocks. If that were the case, it would have been FLAT OUT STATED in THOUSANDS of comics. So again... FAILURE!

Originally posted by panthergod
http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/th_JLAClassified33-SlottJurgens-Superman-holdingbacksubconscious.jpg

tkitna -- shut the f8ck up.

Oh, so he's been doing it for so long that its become second nature and he doesn't have to think about it. He is still very aware of it you mental midget. Its the same as you breathing. Although you don't think about it, unfortunately you keep doing it.

Originally posted by JBL
Fail. ANY Character can suppresses their strength.

Exactly. Pantherjob wants proof when all he has to do is pick up any book besides Superman and witness super strong characters doing normal things and touching normal people without breaking them. Its not hard (well for most).

Post a character suppressing their power to the point they become human level.

Superman literally became human when someone convinced him that he was powerless.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203966/MKQ1Ln8.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203967/wTt6VdP.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203968/321QZGM.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203969/aYOvjh9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203970/qLYmeLi.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203971/nte428S.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203972/k9g57uX.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203973/OMjhlBD.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/25203974/qlr27lk.jpg.html

As soon as he believes he is full powered, he gets up and becomes full powered again.

Originally posted by tkitna
Oh, so he's been doing it for so long that its become second nature and he doesn't have to think about it. He is still very aware of it you mental midget. Its the same as you breathing. Although you don't think about it, unfortunately you keep doing it.

... He's on panel crushing his own body near to death via his own mind's subconscious control over his physical body.

You enormous mental incompetent.

Being aware doe not change the fact that it operates via subconscoous control.

You said it was not subconsious.

You're a proven liar at this point.

retard.

Originally posted by JBL
Fail. ANY Character can suppresses their strength.

So what?

Any character can suppress their speed as well.

Every character=Superman in level of control over speed levels according to you, eh idiot?

Prove that claim.


That's already been proven, conclusively.

You're just lying now.


Irrelevant.

Hulk has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.

Any reference to Hulk as a way to ignore Superman's proven abilities is a concession that you dont have an argument.

Hulk's version of dynamic strength is NOT the only way to portray that ability.

Gladiator, Solo Series Wonder Man, Sentry, Plutonian, all have Dynamic stats to VARYING degrees idiot.

Hmmm. I wonder what else those characters have in common...?



.. his creator says he's as strong as he thinks he is and on panel his power is dependent upon his force of will.


... Except when they have.

.. like Doomsday.

Idiot.




We have him flat out displaying the abilities in multiple storylines.. including summer crossover dedicating to highlighting this ability, like OWAW.

Cry more idiot.

and one more thing:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/ 1971%20Jan%20Action%20396%20limitless%20dynamic%20
power/Action-396-26-05. jpg1971%20Jan%20Action%20396%20limitless%20dynamic
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Dont ever challenge me on Superman's proven power set again, you laughably ignorant Marvel fanboy.

someone is soon to incurre the wrath of the last son of krypton

Originally posted by panthergod
So what?

Any character can suppress their speed as well.

Every character=Superman in level of control over speed levels according to you, eh idiot?

Prove that claim.


That's already been proven, conclusively.

You're just lying now.


Irrelevant.

Hulk has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.

Any reference to Hulk as a way to ignore Superman's proven abilities is a concession that you dont have an argument.

Hulk's version of dynamic strength is NOT the only way to portray that ability.

Gladiator, Solo Series Wonder Man, Sentry, Plutonian, all have Dynamic stats to VARYING degrees idiot.

Hmmm. I wonder what else those characters have in common...?



.. his creator says he's as strong as he thinks he is and on panel his power is dependent upon his force of will.


... Except when they have.

.. like Doomsday.

Idiot.




We have him flat out displaying the abilities in multiple storylines.. including summer crossover dedicating to highlighting this ability, like OWAW.

Cry more idiot.

and one more thing:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/ 1971%20Jan%20Action%20396%20limitless%20dynamic%20
power/Action-396-26-05. jpg1971%20Jan%20Action%20396%20limitless%20dynamic
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Dont ever challenge me on Superman's proven power set again, you laughably ignorant Marvel fanboy. You idiot. When it's said that he's as strong as he believes he is, it means the clown can believe he's weak as hell and it happens because he subconsciously stops his body from using the stored energy as shown on panel. If he thinks he's at his FULL set in stone strength, then he's at that point you ridicules moron. That's why his strength fluxuate. YET he CANNOT will himself stronger than his full set in stone strength idiot. That's why he sundip to go past his full strength when it's NOT enough. NEVER challenge me again idiot.

http://s764.photobucket.com/user/panthergodII/media/Superman/ 1971%20Jan%20Action%20396%20limitless%20dynamic%20
power/Action-396-26-05.jpg.html?sort=9&o=4

Originally posted by panthergod
http://s764.photobucket.com/user/panthergodII/media/Superman/ 1971%20Jan%20Action%20396%20limitless%20dynamic%20
power/Action-396-26-05.jpg.html?sort=9&o=4 LMAO! Dude, give up. You lost, live with it.

Originally posted by JBL
You idiot. When it's said that he's as strong as he believes he is, it means the clown can believe he's weak as hell and it happens because he subconsciously stops his body from using the stored energy as shown on panel. If he thinks he's at his FULL set in stone strength, then he's at that point you ridicules moron. That's why his strength fluxuate. YET he CANNOT will himself stronger than his full set in stone strength idiot. That's why he sundip to go past his full strength when it's NOT enough. NEVER challenge me again idiot. Originally posted by JBL
LMAO! Dude, give up. You lost, live with it.
Lost by what proof? Your word?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lost by what proof? Your word? No. He lost by the FACT that Superman HAS to sundip to go above his set in stone strength like he had to do to move warworld, or how all-star Superman got 3 times stronger than his set in stone strength that got MEASURED by scientists or how when hulk was hitting superman in his chest and getting ready to overpower supermans set in stone strength and the outcome was in doubt or how Wonder Woman said that Damage was stronger than set in stone strength superman or how CM and Superman to this day STILL don't know whose stronger?????? Now back to Damage, a Hulk ripoff whose stronger than DD, Superman, CM and BA... Guess why?? Because ALL of their strength is.... Drum roll!!........ SET IN STONE!!

Originally posted by JBL
You idiot. When it's said that he's as strong as he believes he is, it means the clown can believe he's weak as hell and it happens because he subconsciously stops his body from using the stored energy as shown on panel.

THAT IS DYNAMIC STRENGTH IDIOT.



All you have is a concession now.


His strength fluctuates? To a VAST degree? Based on his mind?

Concession accepted f*cktard.



First off, you already conceded. this debate is over. Superman's stats fluctuate, by a factor of MILLIONS at minimum(standard Class 100 down to human level and back, and his Class 100 level is him suppressing at least Darkseid aka Skyfather class physical stats), due to his mind. That is vast dynamic strength in and of itself. PERIOD.

Second...

WRONG.

Superman's strength is not and has NEVER been 'set in stone' at any point barring being depowered.. since the Byrne years.

Never has been. :lol.

oh you dumbass.

Superman's power is CONSTANTLY in flux since he is CONSTANTLY absorbing more energy retard.

He gets more powerful as he gets older... CONTINUOUSLY, as shown in Kingdom Come, which was a potential future of the Post Crisis DCU. before that potential future got prevented and it became a Tributary in Hypertime in the Kingdom event . His Bodies ability to process Solar energy becomes more and more efficient as time goes by, dumbass. early post Crisis it took him hours if not days to go from being de energized to full power. Now it takes moments.

So.. You are WRONG. Objectively, irrefutably, hilariously stupidly WRONG, including BY YOUR OWN STANDARD.

Byrne era Superman was a planet mover even though he didnt realize it. ****ing teen age Clark Kent pre IC was the most powerful being on earth according to the Quintessence with power equivalent to a New God or Olympian God even if he hadn't even begun to access his innate power at the time and couldn't even fly as far as he knew.

Superman has MULTIPLE established components to his powerset that give him dynamic stats: psionic aspect/force of will per Byrne, Superhuman muscle-control, AND his increasing rate/efficiency of solar absorption and his energy reserves/storage. EACH of those aspects in and of themselves give him a form of dynamic power. Together? THERE IS NO HONEST DEBATE against the fact that Superman has dynamic strength.

Hey retard. Doomsday DID have Dynamic strength in DoS. Guess What? Superman started off way BELOW him in strength, DD's strength rose continuously due to a Hulk-like anger fueled dynamic strength factor over the course of hours, and Superman's dynamic factor going from near Death to punching DD to death in moments OUTPERFORMED Doomsday's dynamic factor in terms of rate of change within a FEW moments you enormous laughing stock.

We saw this AGAIN in Superman Doomed in nu 52. nu 52 DD broke WW's arms with a punch, was absorbing all power around him, was steadily increasing in power, including absorbing Superman's own power, specifically growing bigger and stronger as time went on, and Superman STILL tore him apart when he cut loose.

How many ways do the comics have to show Superman having MULTIPLE DIFFERENT forms of dynamic strength in multiple scenarios before an total and complete dunce will be able to comprehend simple comic book stories?

Just how much more stupid are you going to show yourself to be here?

Originally posted by panthergod
THAT IS DYNAMIC STRENGTH IDIOT.



All you have is a concession now.


His strength fluctuates? To a VAST degree? Based on his mind?

Concession accepted f*cktard.



First off, you already conceded. this debate is over. Superman's stats fluctuate, by a factor of MILLIONS at minimum(standard Class 100 down to human level and back, and his Class 100 level is him suppressing at least Darkseid aka Skyfather class physical stats), due to his mind. That is vast dynamic strength in and of itself. PERIOD.

Second...

WRONG.

Superman's strength is not and has NEVER been 'set in stone' at any point barring being depowered.. since the Byrne years.

Never has been. :lol.

oh you dumbass.

Superman's power is CONSTANTLY in flux since he is CONSTANTLY absorbing more energy retard.

He gets more powerful as he gets older... CONTINUOUSLY, as shown in Kingdom Come, which was a potential future of the Post Crisis DCU. before that potential future got prevented and it became a Tributary in Hypertime in the Kingdom event . His Bodies ability to process Solar energy becomes more and more efficient as time goes by, dumbass. early post Crisis it took him hours if not days to go from being de energized to full power. Now it takes moments.

So.. You are WRONG. Objectively, irrefutably, hilariously stupidly WRONG, including BY YOUR OWN STANDARD.

Byrne era Superman was a planet mover even though he didnt realize it. ****ing teen age Clark Kent pre IC was the most powerful being on earth according to the Quintessence with power equivalent to a New God or Olympian God even if he hadn't even begun to access his innate power at the time and couldn't even fly as far as he knew.

Superman has MULTIPLE established components to his powerset that give him dynamic stats: psionic aspect/force of will per Byrne, Superhuman muscle-control, AND his increasing rate/efficiency of solar absorption and his energy reserves/storage. EACH of those aspects in and of themselves give him a form of dynamic power. Together? THERE IS NOT DEBATE that Superma has dynamic strength.

Hey retard. Doomsday DID have Dynamic strength in DoS. Guess What? Superman started off way BELOW him in strength, DD's strength rose continuously due to a Hulk-like anger fueled dynamic strength factor over the course of hours, and Superman's dynamic factor going from near Death to punching DD to death in moments OUTPERFORMED Doomsday's dynamic factor in terms of rate of change within a FEW moments you enormous laughing stock.

We saw this AGAIN in Superman Doomed in nu 52. nu 52 DD broke WW's arms with a punch, was absorbing all power around him, was steadily increasing in power, including absorbing Superman's own power, specifically growing bigger and stronger as time went on, and Superman STILL tore him apart when he cut loose.

How many ways do the comics have to show Superman having MULTIPLE DIFFERENT forms of dynamic strength in multiple scenarios before an total and complete dunce will be able to comprehend simple comic book stories?

Just how much more stupid are you going to show yourself to be here? There is no way you can be this stupid. When superman fought DD, he got no stronger, he just put everything he had left into that last punch and it was enough WHY??? Drum roll!!! .... Because like two WEARY boxers, their tanks were running out and it ended in a double death strike as a LAST resort you moron.

Could someone please put up the scan where wonder woman told superman to his face that Damage was stronger than him letting the world know for the hundredth time they know how strong superman is and know when someone is stronger.

Originally posted by JBL
There is no way you can be this stupid. When superman fought DD, he got no stronger, he just put everything he had left into that last punch and it was enough WHY??? Drum roll!!! .... Because like two WEARY boxers, their tanks were running out and it ended in a double death strike as a LAST resort you moron.

True.

Originally posted by JBL
Could someone please put up the scan where wonder woman told superman to his face that Damage was stronger than him letting the world know for the hundredth time they know how strong superman is and know when someone is stronger.


https://i.imgur.com/kzMXGtw.jpg

Originally posted by JBL
There is no way you can be this stupid.


Well, we can SEE you're this stupid since your showing you're too stupid to comprehend points that were explained conclusively in the first page of this thread.



Superman specifically states that his power levels surge when he cuts loose, and that he gets stronger when he stops mentally suppressing his power levels. We saw that with a more confident mindset ala Earth 2 Superman's in IC, that he would have been 'stronger than ever" after killing DD.

So you're lying again.



.. Already refuted youre dunce version that cant comprehend context for that metaphor or continuity . Doomsday had dynamic increasing strength far above top tier level and was stronger than ever until the last few moments when Superman finally cut loose, Superman had been suppressing his power subconsciously for the whole fight until the end( due toi his established humanized self image, fear of losing control and going insane per Exile and Red Glass, and code against killing)

Learn how to read you incredibly stupid individual.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
https://i.imgur.com/kzMXGtw.jpg And Thus it ends. There you have it... Superman, barman and Wonder Woman who ALL know how strong superman is ps.. Superman HIMSELF is there... So Bauman and Wonder Woman know just how strong superman is and know for a FACT that Damage is stronger. WW has fought a non-holding back superman, a non-holding back DD. Thank you for the laugh panthergod, it's been somewhat fun.

Resize that irrelevant scan of characters that are in zero position to say how powerful Superman is relative to anyone else, not that it matter if anyone else is stronger than him in the least anyways, or remove it for the link. otherwise I will report that post for screwing up this page

Originally posted by JBL
And Thus it ends. There you have it... Superman, barman and Wonder Woman who ALL know how strong superman is ps.. Superman HIMSELF is there... So Bauman and Wonder Woman know just how strong superman is and know for a FACT that Damage is stronger. WW has fought a non-holding back superman, a non-holding back DD. Thank you for the laugh panthergod, it's been somewhat fun.

lmaoo..

so nothing, then?

This is how pathetic you are?

pssst.. Hulk is stronger than Superman.

Diana NEVER fought a Superman as powerful as he is now, nor as she fought Superman is Doomsday shattering mode.. Stop it.. you're embarrassing yourself boy.


Now Rampage may be shown to be stronger... AND THAT WOULDNT CHANGE A THING about my argument in the least.

Zeus was shown to be superior to Hulk.. guess that means that Hulk doesnt have dynamic strength, right you f*cking idiot?

Originally posted by panthergod
Well, we can SEE you're this stupid since your showing you're too stupid to comprehend points that were explained conclusively in the first page of this thread.



Superman specifically states that his power levels surge when he cuts loose, and that he gets stronger when he stops mentally suppressing his power levels. We saw that with a more confident mindset ala Earth 2 Superman's in IC, that he would have been 'stronger than ever" after killing DD.

So you're lying again.



.. Already refuted youre dunce version that cant comprehend context for that metaphor or continuity . Doomsday had dynamic increasing strength far above top tier level and was stronger than ever until the last few moments when Superman finally cut loose, Superman had been suppressing his power subconsciously for the whole fight until the end( due toi his established humanized self image, fear of losing control and going insane per Exile and Red Glass, and code against killing)

Learn how to read you incredibly stupid individual. You ARE retarded. Superman HIMSELF said he had to fight UNTIL he drop you idiot. That let you know he was getting tired and not stronger, that's why he put everything he had left into that last strike in an attempt to end it before he went down you moron. Even the narration told your dumb behind this by stating... LIKE TWO WEARY BOXERS. Do you know what that means?? Of course you don't idiot. Superman didn't drop any mental blocks you moron he put his last into that final strike. First you say in Dos he drops mental blocks on his own, then in Owaw mongul had to ( try to keep up) TEACH him how to drop mental blocks even though mongul don't what the hell that is, ( because it doesn't exist) LMAO!!!

Zeus amped his strength , how retarded can you be???

Originally posted by JBL
You ARE retarded.

You're a certified imbecile, kid.


Roger Stern proves that youre an illiterate.

I specifically showed you the explanation for why. Directly from the comics.

the writers went out of their way to explain it and you're just too stupid to comprehend it. like an ignorant child.

Again: Adventures 500. Jurgens and Kelly's reinterpretation of DoS with Earth 2 Superman proves it: Post Crisis Superman's less confident humanized mindset limited his durability against DD as speculated by Pa Kent IN the DoS storyline. The difference between the two as revelaed by Robinson: Kal-L is less afraid of his powers and losing control.



DD got weary due to Superman's all out attack at the end...Superman had been getting beat down by a superior opponent for hours... and the writer of that story Jurgens who established with Kelly that with a more confident mindset he would have survived the DD fight "stronger than ever", confirming Pa Kent's statement in DoS that Superman's self limiting mindset was the reason why he died.

You know better than Jurgens now...?

Please make that claim. make me laugh, dummy.



.. That's not a contradiction.

.. He has multiple levels of mental restrictions on his powerlevels.


Every one in this thread who is paying attention can go back to the first page, look at every scan I posted specifically refuting this retard's deliberately deceitful dukeybrain interpretation, come back to this post, and laugh.

Originally posted by panthergod
You're a certified imbecile, kid.


Roger Stern proves that youre an illiterate.

I specifcially showed you the explanation for why. Directly from the comics.

the writers went out of their way to explain it and you're just too stupid to comprehend it. like an ignorant child.

Again: Adventures 500. Jurgens and Kelly's reinterpretation of DoS with Earth 2 Superman proves it: Post Crisis Superman's less confident humanized mindset limited his durability against DD as speculated by Pa Kent IN the DoS storyline. The difference between the two as revelaed by Robinson: Kal-L is less afraid of his powers and losing control.


.. That's not a contradiction.

.. He has multiple levels of mental restrictions on his powerlevels.


Every one in this thread who is paying attention can go back to the first page, look at every scan I posted specifically refuting this retard's deliberately deceitful dukeybrain interpretation, come back to this post, and laugh.



You moron. If superman goes from being a weak punk to fighting like a man, that's NOT dynamic strength idiot. He just use his full set in stone strength idiot. If I fight my 12 year old daughter and hold back then you come along running your big mouth and I knock you out, that is NOT dynamic strength. But you superman loving idiots would see me as having dynamic strength just because I went from struggling with a 12 year old to knocking out a grown idiot man with a 2 year old child brain.

Except, to use your analogy, if I then came round and said hey JBL, you're as strong as a 12 year old girl, and you believed me (assume I am like, really convincing)...and suddenly you actually became as strong as that little girl...surely that's proof? Abhi posted scans of Superman being powerless just because he believed himself to be.

Also, the Damage scan....just says WW has never encountered strength like Damages.

I've never encountered strength like my 8 year old nephew's. Does that mean my nephew is the strongest ever?

To use another line of reasoning, does that mean when you and I fought, he's stronger than you? Or were you holding back and taking it easy on me?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except, to use your analogy, if I then came round and said hey JBL, you're as strong as a 12 year old girl, and you believed me (assume I am like, really convincing)...and suddenly you actually became as strong as that little girl...surely that's proof? Abhi posted scans of Superman being powerless just because he believed himself to be.

Also, the Damage scan....just says WW has never encountered strength like Damages.

I've never encountered strength like my 8 year old nephew's. Does that mean my nephew is the strongest ever?

To use another line of reasoning, does that mean when you and I fought, he's stronger than you? Or were you holding back and taking it easy on me? They are posting scans of supermans strength going down, not up. If I MENTALLY make myself the same strength as the 12 year old girl then later on go back to my real strength, that is NOT dynamic strength. Also, you know FULL well what wonder woman was saying.

Originally posted by JBL
They are posting scans of supermans strength going down, not up. If I MENTALLY make myself the same strength as the 12 year old girl then later on go back to my real strength, that is NOT dynamic strength. Also, you know FULL well what wonder woman was saying.

Wasn't just strength though.

It was all his powers. Including his senses. So if I told you, hey, JBL, you can't see anything! And you believed me and actually made yourself blind.....

And yeah, it says clearly. WW has never faced such strength before. Doesn't mean Damage is the strongest.

Here's Usain Bolt vs Prince Harry:

http://www.jammediaone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/prince-harry-bolt-mar3-324x235.jpg

If I later race against Harry, and beat him....never before has Harry faced such speed....does that mean I am the fastest man alive?

It DOES mean that Damage is stronger than DS, I admit. And Doomsday.

Originally posted by JBL
No. He lost by the FACT that Superman HAS to sundip to go above his set in stone strength like he had to do to move warworld, or how all-star Superman got 3 times stronger than his set in stone strength that got MEASURED by scientists or how when hulk was hitting superman in his chest and getting ready to overpower supermans set in stone strength and the outcome was in doubt or how Wonder Woman said that Damage was stronger than set in stone strength superman or how CM and Superman to this day STILL don't know whose stronger?????? Now back to Damage, a Hulk ripoff whose stronger than DD, Superman, CM and BA... Guess why?? Because ALL of their strength is.... Drum roll!!........ SET IN STONE!!
So if his strength is set in stone, he shouldn't be able to lower it too, right?

Also sundip is just taking more of the radiation which already powers him. When Hulk gets stronger he does by taking more gamma radiation from the extra dimensional source he gets his powers from.

If Superman's strength was set in stone, nothing he could do to increase it.

Unless he doesn't has a set strength and it depends on his mental state and the amount of radiation he absorbs.

Originally posted by JBL
And Thus it ends. There you have it... Superman, barman and Wonder Woman who ALL know how strong superman is ps.. Superman HIMSELF is there... So Bauman and Wonder Woman know just how strong superman is and know for a FACT that Damage is stronger. WW has fought a non-holding back superman, a non-holding back DD. Thank you for the laugh panthergod, it's been somewhat fun.

True.

Originally posted by tkitna
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/39453/3018232-the+death+of+superman+tpb+-+page+90.jpg

Gas Station 1 Superman 0


https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/superman-vs-frankenstein-rebirth-3.jpg?w=620&h=955

Tractor 1 - Superman 0

i think the dynamic strength thingy is being confused a bit. I think supermans strength is set in stone(although his actual limits have not been stated, if they have not consistent enough) the thing is he rarely uses full strength, it might appear as though his strength is dynamic but no...... But thats quite impressive from supes -the fact that he consistently takes on guys who do not have a set in stone strength level

Originally posted by $on OF krypton
i think the dynamic strength thingy is being confused a bit. I think supermans strength is set in stone(although his actual limits have not been stated, if they have not consistent enough) the thing is he rarely uses full strength, it might appear as though his strength is dynamic but no...... But thats quite impressive from supes -the fact that he consistently takes on guys who do not have a set in stone strength level

Yep. Superman simply hold back a lot.

He is a farmer at the core, not a boxer so he had to acquire the knowledge to properly punch people.

He does what every other hero does and that is pull their strength when facing opponents. Beings like Superman, Thor, Hyperion and Hulk does not need to go all out in some of their fights because their contained strength should be sufficient to get the job done. Now when they cut loose, that is when we truly get to see their potential (cant include Hulk in this since he does have true Dynamic strength). If Superman had true dynamic strength, he wouldn't have needed to sundip to move war world. He's powerful but dynamic powerful? Hell no.

Superman can't pull his durabiity.

The Fearsome Five KO'd him. Mammoth tossed him around.

And then in round three, after he got his confidence back, he creamed them.

This was during the Byrne era, when he was trying to establish a psionic connection between Superman and his powers (Written by Marv Wolfman though. But he was probably deferring to Byrne on the current direction of the character, aa it was his project to revamp him.)

Originally posted by carver9
He does what every other hero does and that is pull their strength when facing opponents. Beings like Superman, Thor, Hyperion and Hulk does not need to go all out in some of their fights because their contained strength should be sufficient to get the job done. Now when they cut loose, that is when we truly get to see their potential (cant include Hulk in this since he does have true Dynamic strength). If Superman had true dynamic strength, he wouldn't have needed to sundip to move war world. He's powerful but dynamic powerful? Hell no.

ALL HIS OTHER ABILITIES ARE REPRESSED AS WELL, GAMMITE!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
ALL HIS OTHER ABILITIES ARE REPRESSED AS WELL, GAMMITE!!!

Gladiarors confidence power was basically just ripping off what Byrne was pushing for Superman. (Didn't Byrne even establish that for Glads?)

Originally posted by cdtm
Gladiarors confidence power was basically just ripping off what Byrne was pushing for Superman. (Didn't Byrne even establish that for Glads?)

Yes, Kallark's fight against The Fantastic Four and Reed's assessment of his powers clearly show this.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Yes, Kallark's fight against The Fantastic Four and Reed's assessment of his powers clearly show this. Gladiator has dynamic strength not superman. That's the difference between them. Gladiator was born with his powers and then went through the gladiator process to boost his powers and strength whereas superman had to be under a yellow sun on earth to get his powers. Totally different. But I like how Gladiator NOW gets credit for dynamic strength when superman fans claimed he didn't to protect Superman. Shall I have the responses put up for everyone to see how desperate superman fans will become for superman?

Originally posted by carver9
He does what every other hero does and that is pull their strength when facing opponents. Beings like Superman, Thor, Hyperion and Hulk does not need to go all out in some of their fights because their contained strength should be sufficient to get the job done. Now when they cut loose, that is when we truly get to see their potential (cant include Hulk in this since he does have true Dynamic strength). If Superman had true dynamic strength, he wouldn't have needed to sundip to move war world. He's powerful but dynamic powerful? Hell no.

Still not sure how that affects his senses.

It's one thing to say you're holding back your strength so as not to hurt others.

But to hold back so you're blind? Deaf? That's new.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So if his strength is set in stone, he shouldn't be able to lower it too, right?

Also sundip is just taking more of the radiation which already powers him. When Hulk gets stronger he does by taking more gamma radiation from the extra dimensional source he gets his powers from.

If Superman's strength was set in stone, nothing he could do to increase it.

Unless he doesn't has a set strength and it depends on his mental state and the amount of radiation he absorbs. FALSE. In order for superman to absorb more sunlight to get stronger, he has to fly to the sun, Now do hulk jump into that dimension? And please don't embarrass yourself and others by bringing up that statement about superman absorbing more sunlight under stress. I'll destroy it in a flash.

Originally posted by panthergod
lmaoo..

so nothing, then?

This is how pathetic you are?

pssst.. Hulk is stronger than Superman.

Diana NEVER fought a Superman as powerful as he is now, nor as she fought Superman is Doomsday shattering mode.. Stop it.. you're embarrassing yourself boy.


Now Rampage may be shown to be stronger... AND THAT WOULDNT CHANGE A THING about my argument in the least.

Zeus was shown to be superior to Hulk.. guess that means that Hulk doesnt have dynamic strength, right you f*cking idiot?




Do you know what happened to Hulk when Zeus hit him you moron? There is NO WAY you can be this stupid.

Originally posted by JBL
You moron. If superman goes from being a weak punk to fighting like a man, that's NOT dynamic strength idiot.


..If Superman goes from one level of strength to another, that's dynamic strength...period.

Nothing you're whining about now changes that retard.


Already debunked.

There is no set in stone strength for Superman. There's the level he is operating at at a given time, subject to change due to his mindset. Period.



So at this point you're just flaying around, grasping at straws for reason why your poor reading skills make comic book stories written for adolescents so far beyond your embarrassing reading comprehension. I bet your "daughter" has to read you a bedtime story.

And no, kid, you're weak attempts at being an e-tough guy arent intimidating anyone. you are an idiot of the highest order and it's been a pleasure to humiliate you.

Originally posted by JBL
Gladiator has dynamic strength not superman. That's the difference between them. Gladiator was born with his powers and then went through the gladiator process to boost his powers and strength whereas superman had to be under a yellow sun on earth to get his powers. Totally different.

.. Uh.. No, irrelevant BS. the origins of the abilties are irrelevant.

Gladiatror's entire existence is a Superman ripoff in every way.

This is laughable.



.. And here we have it. You admitting that Every statement you made in this thread about Superman to be a deliberate lie.

Gladiator's powerset is a ripoff of Superman's. That's literally the whole point of the character's existence since Byrne used him to prototype the psionic aspect for his Marvel version of Superman in FF which became Post Crisis Superman(Marvel was going to buy DC in the 80s) .


There's no way Gladiator has dynamic strength according to you, but Superman doesn't. literally impossible.

Superman's powerset is MORE dynamic than Gladiator's. Gladiator has never been above Elite top tier at peak confidence, where Superman's range of power due to his DYNAMIC factor can literally go from human level to Elite top tier Class 100 to physically overpowering Skyfather's and outmuscling 2-3 Gladiator level beings at once.

You're even more of a hypocritical retard than I thought. But thanks for exposing yourself. Fool.

Originally posted by panthergod
..If Superman goes from one level of strength to another, that's dynamic strength...period.

Nothing you're whining about now changes that retard.


Already debunked.

There is no set in stone strength for Superman. There's the level he is operating at at a given time, subject to change due to his mindset. Period.



So at this point you're just flaying around, grasping at straws for reason why your poor reading skills make comic book stories written for adolescents so far beyond your embarrassing reading comprehension. I bet your "daughter" has to read you a bedtime story.

And no, kid, you're weak attempts at being an e-tough guy arent intimidating anyone. you are an idiot of the highest order and it's been a pleasure to humiliate you. If superman goes from using less strength to using his full strength, that's NOT dynamic strength you uneducated moron. It was a PLEASURE watching you make a complete Fool of yourself. Thanks.

'Set in stone strength', eh you mindless mental midget:

Again: the creator of the Post Crisis Superman:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/JohnByrne-SupermansstrenghthI-asstrongashebelievesheis.jpg

Superman's powers require a full, active mind to drive them -- look at his strength not increasing at all, eh you sh*t for brains?

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_03.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_04.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_05.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_06.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_07.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_08.jpg
Direct quote
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http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_09.jpg


You're a liar and an idiot JBL. Your 'daughter" will be ashamed of your stupidity.

Originally posted by panthergod
'Set in stone strength', eh you mindless mental midget:

Again: the creator of the Post Crisis Superman:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/JohnByrne-SupermansstrenghthI-asstrongashebelievesheis.jpg

Superman's powers require a full, active mind to drive them -- look at his strength not increasing at all, eh you sh*t for brains?

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_03.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_04.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_05.jpghttp://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_06.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_07.jpg http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_08.jpg
Direct quote
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http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/1987%20May%20Legends%20Apokolips%20Saga/03%20Action%20Comics%20586/th_ac_586_09.jpg


You're a liar and an idiot JBL. Your 'daughter" will be ashamed of your stupidity. Yep. You ARE that stupid.

Originally posted by JBL
If superman goes from using less strength to using his full strength, that's NOT dynamic strength you uneducated moron.


Flautuating your strength by a factor of MILLIONS is dynamic strength.

Period.

Even IF you were correct about him having a concrete limit -- which you arent, his power levels are constantly evolving and he can take in more energy due to his mental state:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2005%20-%20Adv%20of%20Superman%20636%20-%20solar%20dynamic%20power/th_Image23.jpg


-- Even if you WERE correct abou his having a concrete upper limit, that is IRRELEVANT.

He can change his bodies physical density on a sub atomic level from human level to withstanding nukes to withstanding supernovas due to his mental control of his power-level ALONE.

Hell, under Mongul, he literally gave himself NEW powers like Freeze Breath. He no longer needed to breathe. And was consistently FTL.

Post IC due to his DYNAMIC factor he restores his super-intelligence.

Buy yeah, multiplying your strength level by a factor of Millions or billions definitely isnt dynamic. lmaooo.

Originally posted by panthergod
Flautuating your strength by a factor of MILLIONS is dynamic strength.

Period.

Even IF you were correct about him having a concrete limit -- which you arent, his power levels are constantly evolving and he can take in more energy due to his mental state:

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/xx281/panthergodII/Superman/2005%20-%20Adv%20of%20Superman%20636%20-%20solar%20dynamic%20power/th_Image23.jpg


-- Even if you WERE correct abou his having a concrete upper limit, that is IRRELEVANT.

He can change his bodies physical density on a sub atomic level from human level to withstanding nukes to withstanding supernovas due to his mental control of his power-level ALONE.

Hell, under Mongul, he literally gave himself NEW powers like Freeze Breath. He no longer needed to breathe. And was consistently FTL.

Post IC due to his DYNAMIC factor he restores his super-intelligence.

Buy yeah, multiplying your strength level by a factor of Millions or billions definitely isnt dynamic. lmaooo. Show us all where Superman multiplied his strength by a factor of millions or billions or never post again because we will all know you are a pathetic liar if you don't. Scans please.

Originally posted by JBL
FALSE. In order for superman to absorb more sunlight to get stronger, he has to fly to the sun, Now do hulk jump into that dimension? And please don't embarrass yourself and others by bringing up that statement about superman absorbing more sunlight under stress. I'll destroy it in a flash.
So if Superman's strength is set in stone as you said, how does it increase when going to the sun?

How will you destroy it? By your trolling?

I will eagerly await your idiotic response on this.