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i know you rise your eyebrows on me. dont to it boy. but my point is this, if juggernaut is supposedly stronger than colossus, why are they making them rivals all the time? colossus is juggernauts rival. and i ask why? you know juggernaut is suppose to be more powerful so you let colossus land some shots, then you make him win via some "smart plan". and i ask why?? why bother with that instead of just giving colossus a new rival in his own class. what do you mean who? rhino for example. or you know what? even namor. yes. i do believe namor is more of a match to colossus than jugegrnaut. also the thing? why not. but juggernaut is hulks rival. but not all hulk forms. only the strongest forms of hulk. like from wwh and up.

You can spin it like a top, Juggernaut wins, though.

Colossus fighting out of his strength class is nothing new to him.

Colossus' power is to lose *just barely* to any opponent. He can *almost* match Gladiator in a single combat just like he can *almost* match, say, Harry Palmer (brood). No matter whether it's high-herald level strength or peak human strength... Colossus can almost match it.

Colossus defeated Juggs in Deadpool 2

Originally posted by Magnon
Colossus' power is to lose *just barely* to any opponent. He can *almost* match Gladiator in a single combat just like he can *almost* match, say, Harry Palmer (brood). No matter whether it's high-herald level strength or peak human strength... Colossus can almost match it.

Colossus punches his ticket like Iceman did.
I'm sure Iceman has been training Colossus since his win many years ago.
At least 1/10 for Colossus.

Colossus only won via BFR against current incarnation of the Juggernaut.

And since it's a featureless environment, he's not dumping Cain to the water or anything that silly in a forum match.

Leaving the field
Combatants who leave the field of combat on purpose forfeit the match. If they are removed from the arena against their will (being punched, thrown, teleported, etc.) and can make it back under their own power in a reasonable amount of time, then they are still in the fight. Obviously, if a combatant leaves the field and cannot return under their own power, then they have lost.

Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.

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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

Originally posted by Magnon
Colossus' power is to lose *just barely* to any opponent. He can *almost* match Gladiator in a single combat just like he can *almost* match, say, Harry Palmer (brood). No matter whether it's high-herald level strength or peak human strength... Colossus can almost match it.

You are almost describing the heart force.

Except the heart force leaves its user beaten within an inch of his life after 'doing his best!' and 'showing lots of heart'.

I like your siggy CosmicComet
Juggernaut rates Colossus fair. Fight Juggernaut fairly and he fights fairly back.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Colossus defeated Juggs in Deadpool 2

but not in a straight up fight. again, with a "smart plan". that was my point...

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Colossus defeated Juggs in Deadpool 2

That better not be an actual spoiler.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That better not be an actual spoiler.

it is Lol. but what counts is not this fact, its the way itself colossus does it. as long as you dont know how colossus does it, dont worry, when you see the scene, you wont be spoiled.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Colossus defeated Juggs in Deadpool 2

I kinda hoped you were joking (?)

http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/game-of-thrones-spoilers-tindr.gif

Originally posted by -Pr-
That better not be an actual spoiler.

Looks like we should avoid KMC for a while...

http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/spoilers.gif

Originally posted by Dareangel
it is Lol. but what counts is not this fact, its the way itself colossus does it. as long as you dont know how colossus does it, dont worry, when you see the scene, you wont be spoiled.

You're looking for a ban lol

Actual spoilers get people banned. I'm going to see Deadpool 2 on Sunday, so this is me giving people fair warning to prepare themselves.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You're looking for a ban lol

i didnt post the spoiler...

Commenting on a spoiler that further reveals/confirms spoilers without using spoiler tags can get you banned too.

-reads thread, backs away slowly-

Colossus actually only has two "wins" over Juggernaut.

Well as close as what you can count as a win vs Juggernaut.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Colossus actually only has two "wins" over Juggernaut.

Well as close as what you can count as a win vs Juggernaut.

you mean bfr crap or real wins?

Originally posted by Dareangel
you mean bfr crap or real wins? I said as close as what you can count to a win vs Juggernaut.

You can't beat Juggernaut physically.

well juggernaut was beat physically before. of course colossus cant reach such levels

Thanks for the answer on Colossus wins juggernaut74.
I still think Juggernaut can be beaten physically in a fight because the crimson crystal had a piece broken off of it so by that logic even if the crimson crystal was at full status Juggernaut could still get beat.
Who can beat him. Here it goes. I'll give it my best shot. Magneto.
When Magneto adjusted the tetonic plates to defeat telepaths proves that he shattered the crimson crystal power is sufficent to beat Juggernaut.
Why. Because telepathy is the only thing besides magic that can beat Juggernaut. Thus the missing piece of the Crimson crystal answer solved.

Originally posted by Dareangel
well juggernaut was beat physically before. of course colossus cant reach such levels
Not many can.

Originally posted by riv6672
Not many can.

yeah i know. definitely not colossus. thats the reason why i cant understand the point of making him jugegrnauts rival. it you make him his rival, its an opening for forced writing that will make colossus somehow beat the juggernaut, or if the writing is lazy, straight up inflict damage on him.

Actually as much as we all like to post about Colossus that it makes sense to write as much as we can about him. Other characters can be created independently or with our contributions so there may be a third mutant discovered to be the newest X-men. That's how marvel has mutants join the team.

Originally posted by Wonder Man

telepathy is the only thing besides magic that can beat Juggernaut.



Not so.

The powers of other mutants can do so, too.

Judging from the following, Nightcrawler's "Bampf!" can do it if Nightcrawler can endure the stress long enough.


And it's pretty obvious Rogue has Juggernaut's number if she decides to use her actual power against him:

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Source: Marvel Team Up #150
Circa: 1984

Na. Juggernaut survived greater teleportion when he held the portal open with Meggan.

Originally posted by juggernaut74

You can't beat Juggernaut physically.





I must say, the song that follows, listened to while viewing the following reading selection, pairs almost as well as Coca-Cola and a good sandwich ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3UDkAQK5HTo



https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/38653982_image.jpg https://s7d7.turboimg.net/t1/38653983_image.jpg

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Source: Unlimited Access #1
Writer: Karl Kesel
Penciller: Pat Oliffe
Date: December 1997

That's not canon to 616, blue.

But even if it were... we wouldn't be able to use it in KMC debates.

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The last thing in the world Dareangel would want for this thread would be for it to receive "official" treatment, Stilt, for, without this being a scenario matchup, the only thing it could be classed as would be spite.

You DO have me curious now, though. I'm wondering if, outside of Wonder Woman, anybody has ever successfully knocked out Jug with punching power alone?

Perhaps Dareangel or someone else has the answer ...

Originally posted by Wonder Man

telepathy is the only thing besides magic that can beat Juggernaut.



And this still isn't so.

I'll get the ref info from the Vader versus Punisher with Prep thread on request:


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Originally posted by Wonder Man
Juggernaut survived greater teleportion when he held the portal open with Meggan.



Generally, when some durable character has their senses overloaded and gets knocked out, it's not so much the magnitude of what they're experiencing but the suddenness of transition.

I gave the following earlier in my Rogue Respect Thread, for instance:



The X-Men are a team of globetrotters.
Unfortunately, many of the villains they fight are world-travelers, too.

So, it should come as little surprise that, for all their business in New York, the X-Men next find fanfavoritespar Marko during a journey to the UK:

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37218162_image.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37218163_image.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37218165_image.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37218166_image.jpg https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/37218167_image.jpg

Well, at least one of them next found Juggs ...
(Full-team engagement will follow soon, though.)

The showing above by team-separated Alison Blaire underscores the claim made last page -- it was NOT a shameful thing for Dazzler to get the better of you in the 1980s, however unlikely she presented as a combatant. Even at low power levels, lost, disoriented, and on the verge of collapse, she would overachieve like nobody's business.

Unfortunately, she WAS at the end of her rope there, alone, lost, tired, and without a significant power source. Though she brought Jug to his knees there, he eventuality recovered and overtook her, and now having no reserves, expended the utmost of the little remaining power she had, and dropped so exhausted from the effort that Jug mistook her for dead and regretfully buried her. Thankfully, Dazzler's power is such that she eventually was able to slowly absorb just enough ambient sound energy to prayerfully send a shot up through the ground that her searching teammates noticed before she blacked out again, almost certainly for the last time ...


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Source: Uncanny X-Men #217

Originally posted by -Pr-
Actual spoilers get people banned. I'm going to see Deadpool 2 on Sunday, so this is me giving people fair warning to prepare themselves. lol @ Pr giving people time to write a Last Will & Testament.

Why did you edit? I liked that post

About the shattered god feat, there's actually context.

The pieces were assembling the "Shattered God". She KNEW the pieces were coming since the Shattered God basically EXPLAINED it to her. That's basically prep.

one of the scans where it's explained.:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74209/3048405-08-5.jpg

there are over 2 scans where WW is "WARNED" about the pieces so she was already on alert BEFORE they even came near Trevor's location unlike Gladiator /Heimdall feat

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why did you edit? I liked that post I felt the danger.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PleasingDefiniteCrustacean-max-14mb.gif

"Mr Pr, I don't feel so good..."

Originally posted by Baziemarc123
About the shattered god feat, there's actually context.

The pieces were assembling the "Shattered God". She KNEW the pieces were coming since the Shattered God basically EXPLAINED it to her. That's basically prep.

one of the scans where it's explained.:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/74209/3048405-08-5.jpg

there are over 2 scans where WW is "WARNED" about the pieces so she was already on alert BEFORE they even came near Trevor's location unlike Gladiator /Heimdall feat Well shit, that takes away one of Colossus' best feats!

https://s7d8.turboimg.net/t1/38657860_image.jpg

Originally posted by Wonder Man

Juggernaut survived greater teleportion when he held the portal open with Meggan.



Scans or it didn't happen; so far the only Meggan/Juggernaut interaction Google allowed me to find was the following:


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Source: Excalibur #3
Circa: 1988

Parmaniac you rat ****. You should be banned for that.

Lol