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DC's most powerful telepath vs Marvel's.

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I mean, Cassandra easily mindphucked Xavier when his mind was amplified to the tenth power by Cerebra.

Hard to imagine Starro overtaking a mind like that, tbh.

Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, Cassandra easily mindphucked Xavier when his mind was amplified to the tenth power by Cerebra.

Hard to imagine Starro overtaking a mind like that, tbh.

Cassandra mind raped Xavier and Jean at the same time when they both tried to attack her. She easily no-sold both of them and Her psychic attack left Jean a drooling mess.

And she did it casually, without any strain or effort. And this was a Jean Grey who had began to manifest the Phoenix.

Originally posted by Galan007
I mean, Cassandra easily mindphucked Xavier when his mind was amplified to the tenth power by Cerebra.

Hard to imagine Starro overtaking a mind like that, tbh.

Doesn't that just make Xavier as powerful as J'onn?

I mean, he matched a lot of Xaviers bigger feats without Cererbo.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Cassandra mind raped Xavier and Jean at the same time when they both tried to attack her. She easily no-sold both of them and Her psychic attack left Jean a drooling mess.

And she did it casually, without any strain or effort. And this was a Jean Grey who had began to manifest the Phoenix.

A Starro controlled something like nine galaxies, though.

That's how the humanoid alien became so powerful.

Originally posted by cdtm
Doesn't that just make Xavier as powerful as J'onn?

I mean, he matched a lot of Xaviers bigger feats without Cererbo. Xavier also performed many of his bigger feats without Cerebro. There's no way that Xavier with his power amped to the 10th degree via Cerebra makes him only equal to J'onn.

We haven't seen an upper limit for Cassandra's power, but she's steamrolled through some of Marvel's top psychics (who were amped), and casually bypassed the Shi'Ar psi-defense to control Gladiator like a puppet.

In terms of telepathic battle, she might have the best feats in the Herald tiers.

Originally posted by Smurph
Xavier also performed many of his bigger feats without Cerebro. There's no way that Xavier with his power amped to the 10th degree via Cerebra makes him only equal to J'onn.

We haven't seen an upper limit for Cassandra's power, but she's steamrolled through some of Marvel's top psychics (who were amped), and casually bypassed the Shi'Ar psi-defense to control Gladiator like a puppet.

In terms of telepathic battle, she might have the best feats in the Herald tiers.

Who would you say are higher than herald tiers in the telepath world?

I don't think there is a higher telepath than Cassandra Nova, aside from non-humanoid entities like Galactus.

I don't even think Galactus is that high.

However, Brainiac (New 52) was connected to every living being in the universe. I'd rank him cosmic level telepath.

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Originally posted by Zack M
Who would you say are higher than herald tiers in the telepath world?
Somebody who was totally tapped in to the Mind Gem, I guess. And incarnations of Phoenix - White Phoenix of the Crown, Dark Phoenix, etc.

After herald levels though, you start to get to the point where all powers blend together and everybody has some measure of reality warping, so it's hard to say at that point. Like, presumably Galactus, Odin, Celestials etc can't be measured in a tp battle.

Cassandra's best feats are all in combat and sheer telepathic might though. Other tps have better feats of range and precise skill, but that's partially because Cassandra is a villain with relatively few appearances.

Originally posted by Smurph
And incarnations of Phoenix - White Phoenix of the Crown, Dark Phoenix, etc.

Jeannie said the pitiful Phoenix Force was holding her back all those years biscuits

didn't xavier come back at the end of that arc though when his mind was reconnected, and totally eff her up while SHE was amped 10-fold by cerebra? that seems like just as awesome a feat for chuck as her initial takeover of him, no...? unless i'm missing something or not remembering that scene correctly.

Originally posted by leonidas
didn't xavier come back at the end of that arc though when his mind was reconnected, and totally eff her up while SHE was amped 10-fold by cerebra? that seems like just as awesome a feat for chuck as her initial takeover of him, no...? unless i'm missing something or not remembering that scene correctly.

I believe she was in Charles's body at that time. So she was limited by his physiology.

And it was a joint attack by both Jean with the Phoenix Force and Xavier, whose mind was scattered across all minds on the planet, waiting for Cassandra to connect to them all.

Originally posted by Zack M
Who would you say are higher than herald tiers in the telepath world?
At full power, Shadow King. People saying they'd be impressed if Cassandra controlled Legion....Shadow King has already done that while steamrolling Xavier.

Originally posted by StyleTime
To clear up a couple of things:

The idea that Xavier is above Shadow King is pretty outdated. He hasn't been for a while, admitting it himself both in the past and present.
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Most recently, Shadow King was able to manifest on the physical plane, and he subjugated all the minds on Earth while fighting the X-Men, Xavier and Omega-upgraded Psylocke included.
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It took Xavier and Psylocke channeling every psychic on Marvel Earth to beat him. This is utterly insane.
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Right before that, he imprisoned Proteus for 10,000 years on the astral plane and Xavier for what he suspects was 1,000+.
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He completely dominated Psylocke while keeping them captive too. Psylocke was able to send out a hemisphere-ish wide distress beacon though, to her credit.
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We can argue Proteus amped him a bit, but I'd argue that amp allowed him to breach the barrier into the material plane while still performing all his other actions. It's not like he hasn't demonstrated this level of power before. He's already smashed Xavier while mindcontrolling Legion, who was using Cerebro at the time of possession, and SK's possession remained even while his powers were dampened. Farouk was beating Xavier so badly, Xavier's bones were grinding into pieces in the real world.
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And that's not even getting into the full scope of some of his feats, like how he animates dead bodies and broadcasts global hate waves while controlling folks and battling high order telepaths simultaneously.
Keep in mind, they had to use every telepath in Marvel twice, as the first attack just made Shadow King stronger...

Nova used a bypass to hijack Charles body. It wasn't a straight up TP fight.

Remind me: Did we ever get a vote on Cassandra Nova vs Cassandra Cain?

I was kind of drunk at the time, but I don't remember anyone actually voting... just.... laughing.

Originally posted by cdtm
Remind me: Did we ever get a vote on Cassandra Nova vs Cassandra Cain?

I was kind of drunk at the time, but I don't remember anyone actually voting... just.... laughing.

I wonder if Nova can resist a Starfish.

Originally posted by leonidas
didn't xavier come back at the end of that arc though when his mind was reconnected, and totally eff her up while SHE was amped 10-fold by cerebra? that seems like just as awesome a feat for chuck as her initial takeover of him, no...? unless i'm missing something or not remembering that scene correctly. She opened up her mind to reach out to every mutant, and he suckerpunched her, iirc. It was much less straightforward than the first fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nova used a bypass to hijack Charles body. It wasn't a straight up TP fight.


It always looked to me like Xavier had already disengaged from Cerebra when Nova attacked him. She's strong, but that feat is definitely up for debate.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Jeannie said the pitiful Phoenix Force was holding her back all those years biscuits


The current arc is building up into what might be Jean slapping Cassandra silly. They hinted at Cassandra being scared of "her", with "her" being Jean from context clues. Throw in Jean saying she was holding back all those years for fear of the Phoenix taking over, and Jean is poised to make some noise here.

And going by Rachel's power jump, it seems like losing the Phoenix is a good thing lol.

Originally posted by StyleTime


It always looked to me like Xavier had already disengaged from Cerebra when Nova attacked him. She's strong, but that feat is definitely up for debate.



No, it actually led her to Charles and hijacking Charles was due to the unique psychic connection they have.

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Cerebro actually acted like a backdoor for Nova.

Not to mention, Beast could have killed her at the start, Nova confirms he doesn't do so because he doesn't want to hurt the Prof:
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Cyclops didn't kill himself, and could've stopped her:
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Wolverine and Beast could've stopped her, so she needed to use the students to stop them once she realised Logan, unlike the others, would actually go as far as to kill Chuck:
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Well, leave it to abhi to dispute someone agreeing with him, as if our claims are mutually exclusive.

We love you dearly.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, leave it to abhi to dispute someone agreeing with him, as if our claims are mutually exclusive.

We love you dearly.
I was just providing scan.