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Who wins?

CC.

Comet for me

CC. He has the Mental Chops to Hold off Manchester and the strength to punch his crap in.

Comet with the consistency.

I only trust beatboks' opinion

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I only trust beatboks' opinion

But I made the respect thread

And I have the only correct opinion

Manchester Black wins.

You can't have them all.

How with TK Comet has shielded from ominar Synn (who casually throws BA around like chaff in the wind) and controlled the energy of Crume Synicayes power ring, Sinestro's ring and Kyle Raynors against them.

With TP He has casually mind controlled Bizarro, linked all GLs darkstars and Legion, breached Synarr, and TP made two waring armadas stand down. Not to mention casually rewire the mind of the wierd when others like MMH couldnt even read him.

Physically he's matched and had extended fights with Superman and Lobo (vs the latter he has faired better and lasted longer than Cap Marvel and MMH and Lobo had help while MMH was the one with a team backing him).

Originally posted by beatboks
How with TK Comet has shielded from ominar Synn (who casually throws BA around like chaff in the wind) While I do think that Captain Comet's shield may be better than Manchester Black's , I have to make sure what you're referring to here. Do you mean when he sucker-punched Synn by dropping rocks on him , then made a bubble around the team and flew them away, or do you have another example in mind?

Furthermore, besides Synn's powers varying, in that same story he was no-selling Captain Comet like they were nothing, and Captain Comet was explicitly a bug to him, and Synn was explicitly not at his peak. The example you used, of Synn TK'ing Black Adam was an ill-advised one, considering Manchester Black was ragdolling Superman just by staring at him:
https://imgur.com/r2RR26c

Originally posted by beatboks
controlled the energy of Crume Synicayes power ring, Sinestro's ring and Kyle Raynors against them. I see you're using Pre-Crisis feats here. I know his 'timeline' is intact, mostly, but obviously he's not at the same level as all Silver Age characters were. Green Lantern going up against Pre-Crisis Superman is not an applicable feat for Post-Crisis Lantern. The whole Universe was rewritten and scaled down. As for post-COIE, he just deflected Kyle's blast .

Manchester Black has actually frozen Superman's heat vision mid-air while keeping quantum rifts from collapsing into a black hole. Can you match this? I haven't even gotten into Manchester Black's TK range of precision. For q uick taste, here's him TKing Menagerie's insides while in a different part of the globe:
https://imgur.com/a/4mTko

Originally posted by beatboks
With TP He has casually mind controlled Bizarro, linked all GLs darkstars and Legion, breached Synarr, and TP made two waring armadas stand down. Not to mention casually rewire the mind of the wierd when others like MMH couldnt even read him. Manchester Black has made Bizarro sane and pulled out his entire consciousness, and Superman's consciousness, and placed those consciousnesses in their opposite bodies. That is....again...a very bad example to use, considering Black outstrips him pretty hard.

Black has protected Luthor's mind from Martian Manhunter, and just his psionic blocks has kicked out J'onn from Bizarro's mind.

Manchester Black's TP is so proficient, that he made Superman think Lois is dead as he was standing right next to her. He's also fooled Superman and Jon into thinking Lois has lost her leg all the while the aforementioned 'keeping quantum rifts from collapsing into a black hole' is taking place.

Originally posted by beatboks
Physically he's matched and had extended fights with Superman and Lobo (vs the latter he has faired better and lasted longer than Cap Marvel and MMH and Lobo had help while MMH was the one with a team backing him).

Yes, Comet is superior physically, but Black has rendered Superman helpless on the ground by TKing his insides:
https://imgur.com/0iUKhsP

This won't go into a slugfest, if Comet can't match him.

Comet was one of the few not impacted by the crisis Comet and a few others hid in a time sphere (made by him and rip hunter) during the crisis and was with darkseid at the end

Originally posted by -K-M-
Comet was one of the few not impacted by the crisis Comet and a few others hid in a time sphere (made by him and rip hunter) during the crisis and was with darkseid at the end Yes, and various characters have 'circumvented' the Crisis one way or the other, but they're obviously not at the same power levels. I mean, you bring up Darkseid - tell me with a straight face that Darkseid, who you see against post-Crisis Superman, is the one who was bitching Pre-Crisis kryptonians. Or the Green Lanterns, or pick whatever character you'd like. Even Superman retained his memory of COIE, and fighting Anti-Monitor. Superboy Prime demonstrated that, when an actual Pre-Crisis kryptonian got into the DCU, and steamrolled everybody.

Furthermore, it is explicitly stated by Alexander Luthor in Infinite Crisis that 'reality' reconciles Pre-Crisis characters into the Post-Crisis Universe by altering their abilities etc. as it was with Power Girl.

So if you want other than common sense explanation, there's explicit continuity saying reality alters them.

1. As stated by KM and you agreed Comet wasnt changed by COIE.

2. Based purely on feats post COIE Comet was actually seriously enhanced post COIE. Pre crisis Comet stated on panel he was physically 1/10 the physicals of Superman. Around the time of COIE there was a story where Comet matched Superman physically. In that story it was shown that Comet had used his mental power to prevent his body fully evolving. Post COIE multiple showings confirm him to be physically in the arena of Superman in strength not 1/10

2. Lanterns were not really downgraded by COIE. In fact their ppwer level was pretty static. They have better showings vs Superman post COIE because he has lower levels.

3. Given the vast upgrade inpsyonic power Comet got with his resurrection in Mystery in space (though massively downgraded physically ) his power level in TP and TK is vastly higher than during all those feats. How much higher? One could reasonably say 5 times given he TP simultaineously mind raped 5 clones of his pre ressurection body who served the church of light. It also took 12 of tgose clones to alter a single memory of the wierd (who MMH couldnt read), yet post resurrection comet casually rewired his entire brain.

Originally posted by beatboks
1. As stated by KM and you agreed Comet wasnt changed by COIE. 2. Lanterns were not really downgraded by COIE. In fact their ppwer level was pretty static. They have better showings vs Superman post COIE because he has lower levels.
There's plenty of characters that weren't affected by COIE due to continuing their publishing history without rebooting, but were practically affected - such as Darkseid. Or Green Lanterns. Or Batman. This was later explained, in continuity, that when reality integrates characters, it alters their abilities, among other things. It's why the whole Universe was scaled down, including Green Lanterns, including the Fourth World, and plenty of others, even if they kept their whole history. The power levels themselves are not the same.

Darkseid, the poster boy for 'surviving the Crisis unaffected' is, blatantly, not as powerful as he was Post-Crisis. Green Lanterns were now below Post-Crisis Superman, who is explicitly orders of magnitude below Pre-Crisis Superman . After the Crisis was done, Green Lanterns that explicitly survived the Crisis unaffected were barely able to move a planetoid, with their willpower combined and Superman helping them:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/cGF0aDovQlN1cGVzQWRkc1dpbGxwb3dlcjEuanBn/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535035245576
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/cGF0aDovQlN1cGVzQWRkc1dpbGxwb3dlcjIuanBn/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535035251798
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/cGF0aDovQlN1cGVzQWRkc1dpbGxwb3dlcjMuanBn/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535035259220

Hal alone was swinging moons Pre-Crisis:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/gl63_20.jpg?hotlinkfix=1535035281586

or here:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/7d4466d7.jpg?hotlinkfix=1535035351006

Hal doubts his defenses could stand up to a 300 megaton explosion:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/b75d772c.jpg?hotlinkfix=1535035533467
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/6254e4b2.jpg?hotlinkfix=1535035533980

Hal in Pre-Crisis was casually shielding from a Supernova and transmutated the whole Justice League simultaneously:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg?hotlinkfix=1535035622975

And there's a shitload of other examples. I could literally fill pages with power difference from post-Crisis decade, to the Pre-Crisis decade. It's enormous, for all characters involved. Post 2000, there was a move towards bringing some of the bigger feats, but the intent to depower everybody was so blatant after COIE, including 'unaffected characters', that you'd have to be crazy to deny it.

This is so obvious, that it shouldn't even be a discussion. The comics themselves state that the post-COIE reality adjusts abilities.

Originally posted by beatboks
2. Based purely on feats post COIE Comet was actually seriously enhanced post COIE. Pre crisis Comet stated on panel he was physically 1/10 the physicals of Superman. Around the time of COIE there was a story where Comet matched Superman physically. In that story it was shown that Comet had used his mental power to prevent his body fully evolving. Post COIE multiple showings confirm him to be physically in the arena of Superman in strength not 1/10
I don't think you understand how strong Pre-Crisis Superman was, or what 1/10 of his strength means. It would make Comet able to put his fist through every post-Crisis character. The guy was able to move galaxy worth of planets, as a teenager, with a chain.I don't need to pull up the numbers here to put it into perspective, I hope.

Originally posted by beatboks
3. Given the vast upgrade inpsyonic power Comet got with his resurrection in Mystery in space (though massively downgraded physically ) his power level in TP and TK is vastly higher than during all those feats. How much higher? One could reasonably say 5 times given he TP simultaineously mind raped 5 clones of his pre ressurection body who served the church of light. It also took 12 of tgose clones to alter a single memory of the wierd (who MMH couldnt read), yet post resurrection comet casually rewired his entire brain.

This is all over the place, Golden Age, Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, old body, then resurrected. You bring feats for all of them, even when they contradict each other. You used the fight with Lobo, and now you mention resurrected Captain Comet, who explicitly was weaker physically:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/DCHawks_photo/media/cGF0aDovTXlzdGVyeWluU3BhY2UyMDA2MDJwYWdlMDUuanBn/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535036520396
You brought up TP & Bizarro, I showed you better feats, with the same character. You brought up J'onn, I showed Black blocking and kicking him out. You brought up TK, I brought up Black casually TKing Quantum Rifts from collapsing into a Black Hole and freezing Superman's HV....or his range and internal TK control to damage the inside of other beings.... and now......we're talking about the validity of Pre-Crisis, which I never even wanted to do in the first place.

Meh.

smh at Phil bringing these dead links.

Originally posted by krisblaze
smh at Phil bringing these dead links. Add Photobucket Extension to Chrome.

While I disagree that GLs have been downgraded (post coir John has moved a planet and Kyle has held a black whole) the bottom line is Comet's feats are still intact. If GLs did downgrade that simply means that his feats scale off them. It doesnt invalidate them simply moves them with scaling. Being able to control the energy of a lantern against their will is still a uber feat if you downgrade Lanterns in power.

FTR I dont think Comet's strength comes into it. Post resurrection he didnt use it at all. Post resurection he is weakened in strength no doubt. Based on his comment that it made sense because he didnt get his strength until his previous body was older I'd assume that makes him 1/10 post crisis Superman (with scaling) or vastly less.

Also if this was pre resurrection Comet vs Black I'd tend to agree that Balck wins. Hed have to fight for it but the way I see it in TK pre resurrection Comet is several notches above MMH while in TP a notch or two below.

As this should either be post resurection or Nu52 both are vastly above the classic version psionically. Said classic version can use his tk to take on the likes of Sinestro and GLs, protect from Onimar Synn etc so since post resurection casually destroys 5 of his pre resurrection selves in a panel or two psionically he should have the chops to take a majority vs Black.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523759-mystery+in+space+%235+-+page+15.jpg
Post resurrection comet casually dropping three clones of his former self
Theres another scan i can liad when I get home where he drops 5


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523791-1+1+tp+resistance+of+the+weird.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523753- a+group+of+comet+clones+couldn%27t+tp+manip+the+we
ird+.jpg

This is how many clones of pre resurrection comet it took to alter a single memory of the Wierd (who MMH couldnt even read telepathically). They could literally do no more.

Yet post resurrection comet can do this
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523752-9r7zho9wd8yj3vzgmh6aw21hz.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523754-a+psi+rework+of+the+weird.jpg

Pre resurrection comet <Black (by a notch or so at best)<< post resurrection (based on how casually he deals psionically with multiples of his former self.

Even if we adopt your stance that power levels for GLs dropped with scaling and his time line intact it simply lowers those feats to comparible to post crisis Lanterns. This puts said feats within a reasonable ballpark of the feats you listed to Black. Take the ampingbof his psionics with the new younger body into consideration and simple scaling puts him comfortably above black.

I think they are pretty even when it comes to psi powers, what tips the scale are CCs superior physical attributes. MB can't overcome CC in a psi fight, they will both negate each other in this field.

Originally posted by beatboks
Also if this was pre resurrection Comet vs Black I'd tend to agree that Balck wins.

One thing I will add is that you're using a faulty logic with A>B>Cs - Comet used TP on Sinestro to control his constructs through him, so what you're actually scaling is the Green Lanterns' TP resistance :
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/MachineMan616/media/ cGF0aDovU2VjcmV0U29jaWV0eU9mU3VwZXItVmlsbGFpbnNfMD
UtMTcuanBn/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535132044493
...which has nothing to do with the actual strength of the constructs.
He shielded against a casual Kyle blast here:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/DCHawks_photo/media/cGF0aDovUmFubi1UaGFuYWdhcldhcl8wMi0xOC5qcGc=/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535132283172
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/DCHawks_photo/media/cGF0aDovUmFubi1UaGFuYWdhcldhcl8wMi0xOS5qcGc=/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535132459340And he
and beat Hal by taking him by surprise with physical strength:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user/MachineMan616/media/ cGF0aDovU2VjcmV0U29jaWV0eU9mU3VwZXItVmlsbGFpbnNfMD
JfMDUuanBn/?ref=&hotlinkfix=1535132624946

To say that Comet can replicate their construct feats, based on that, is funny, but absurd. Surely, you're not serious.
With the Pre-Crisis stuff, at this point, we're going too far deep into it. So if you want to say he wins based on those, I'm not into it.

Originally posted by beatboks
As this should either be post resurection or Nu52 both are vastly above the classic version psionically. Said classic version can use his tk to take on the likes of Sinestro and GLs, protect from Onimar Synn etc so since post resurection casually destroys 5 of his pre resurrection selves in a panel or two psionically he should have the chops to take a majority vs Black.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523759-mystery+in+space+%235+-+page+15.jpg
Post resurrection comet casually dropping three clones of his former self
Theres another scan i can liad when I get home where he drops 5


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523791-1+1+tp+resistance+of+the+weird.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523753- a+group+of+comet+clones+couldn%27t+tp+manip+the+we
ird+.jpg
Casually dropping? Oh, boks.

That's the thing with reading respect threads - they don't give you the full story.

First of all, those 5 clones scan you used? That's not what happened. They actually overwhelmed him, and couldn't fight back. But as he was getting beaten, he detonated the area behind them with bombs he had already planted, allowing him to sucker-attack and run away. Here is the actual full scene:

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213506_RacerX-MIS5-p13.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213507_RacerX-MIS5-p14.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213508_RacerX-MIS5-p15-16.jpg

It's the equivalent of somebody beating the utter shit out of you, then going the sneaky-old "Hey, what's that behind you?" then hitting them as they're distracted. You can actually read Comet pointing out that they don't have his battle experience and his 'fallback strategies', and he throws them off balance so he can run away.

So.....no.

What he did do, though, is drop two of his clones:

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213572_RacerX-MIS5-p07.jpg

Originally posted by beatboks
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523791-1+1+tp+resistance+of+the+weird.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523753- a+group+of+comet+clones+couldn%27t+tp+manip+the+we
ird+.jpg


This is how many clones of pre resurrection comet it took to alter a single memory of the Wierd (who MMH couldnt even read telepathically). They could literally do no more.

Yet post resurrection comet can do this
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523752-9r7zho9wd8yj3vzgmh6aw21hz.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523754-a+psi+rework+of+the+weird.jpg

Again, respect threads.

First of all, the Weird was roflstomping Comet, to a ridiculous degree, that Comet actually ran away from him in desperation. He was literally about to kill him. But the mental part of your argument? Comet hit him with a full power mental blast that he literally shrugged off:

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213577_RacerX-MIS8-p11.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213578_RacerX-MIS8-p12.jpg

What Comet did, in his last desperate attempt, was to mind-probe inside Weird's mind and release his memories , making him realize that Comet is his friend:

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213599_RacerX-MIS8-p19.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213600_RacerX-MIS8-p20.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213601_RacerX-MIS8-p21.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213602_RacerX-MIS8-p22.jpg

The Weird, obviously, has enormous mind-resistance, so this isn't a low showing. But the scene you're referring to flat-out states that his TP in raw power was nothing to the Weird, and he only escaped with his life by removing the memory-blocks inside Weird's mind. That's different from downing somebody with TP .

Originally posted by beatboks
Take the ampingbof his psionics with the new younger body into consideration and simple scaling puts him comfortably above black.

I, obviously, disagree. Certainly not in TK. In terms of TK raw power and precision, Black murderstomps him.

Captain Comet's TK has been strained by things that Black would do as an after-thought:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39213625/RacerX-MIS6-p10.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39213626/RacerX-MIS6-p11.jpg.html

Or flat-out deplete himself just from a TK blast:
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39213646/RacerX-MIS8-p25-26.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/39213647/RacerX-MIS8-p27.jpg.html

Manchester Black has literally, for weeks, held quantum rifts from collapsing into Black Holes and did so as he was fighting Superman and casually froze his attacks and TK'd him on the ground. Somewhere around there, he also rearranged Superboy's synapses to remove his powers as a kryptonian half-breed.

https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213650_MBRaw1.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213651_MBRaw2.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213652_MBRaw3.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213653_MBRaw4.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213654_MBRaw5.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213655_MBRaw6.jpg https://s7d1.turboimg.net/t/39213656_MBRaw7.jpg

He's ridiculously above Comet's paygrade, in terms of TK.

Sorry for the 3post. That's what I get for using thumbnails.

Tu summarize - maybe close in TP (after upgrade, though comparisons against same opponents favors black), not close in tk. Black would simply overpower him.

Wait...what did I misportray in my respect threads again?

Great Beast Munginaq vs. Superphil of Steel... oh yes, it's gonna be glorious.

https://i.imgur.com/0hQyd5L.gif

Originally posted by -K-M-
Wait...what did I misportray in my respect threads again? I just saw he used the links from comicvine, not your respect thread. You're good, baby

It's this part:

Originally posted by beatboks
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523759-mystery+in+space+%235+-+page+15.jpg
Post resurrection comet casually dropping three clones of his former self

...when he was actually getting overwhelmed, but used distraction and tactics to blast and run away, but the scans previous to that weren't posted . And you had the same scan in your RT, so I didn't check the link and assumed he got it from there.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Great Beast Munginaq vs. Superphil of Steel... oh yes, it's gonna be glorious.
Mungi low-key knows Captain Comet is inferior.

Only some of your links are working and that one isn't one. I assume you've loaded this feat
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576639-secretsocietyofsuper-villains_05-17.jpg~original.jpg
Honestly I can't see how you can say it's TP at all. Sinestro is quite clearly in control of his mind when he shows surprise that his construct suddenly snapped over his own head instead of Comet's.

It's consistent with his showing vs power ring
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576920-mental+force+stronger+than+a+green+power+battery+.jpg

where he took control of Power rings power battery's power. Needless to say it took greater effort with Sinestro who's more formidable than power ring.



for the record I don't use Respect threads because I dont trust them. every scan I've loaded was from my own comet images page that I uploaded from my own comics.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/beatboks1/images/?tag=Captain%20Comet

i'm not sure if that link will work as it's me logged into my account, but I can look at image folders of other members.




yes he was attacked by all the clones (a LOT MORE than 5) when he was found in the church of light. He was in their church where there were several dozen. Try reading your scans he didn't even try to defend against their mental assault because he had mad a backup plan. the bomb didn't even take out the ones in the room with him it took out those in other rooms below.
It's not like there weren't MULTIPLE examples of his easily besting more than one of them at a time throughout the series

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576921-psionic+attack.jpg

literally TK exploding the heads off two of them who possessed the TK levels that threw around Lobo, Strata and Garv in Legion.

In the first issue of Mystery in space (before we see him go into flashbacks when trapped in a psionic dampaner) he realises he can't match them in strength and TK ragdolls a couple at a time.

then there is this

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576569-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+23.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576570-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+24.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576571-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+25.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576572-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+27.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576574-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+28.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576575-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+30.jpg

The clones tell the deacon of the church of light just how hard it understand the wierd's mind. The five he takes to reprogramme him for the church but they can't even maintain contact with him.

Instead it takes this many

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576578-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+34.jpg

to alter a single memory to make Comety his most hated enemy.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523791-1+1+tp+resistance+of+the+weird.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576600-mystery+in+space+%237+-+page+30.jpg

this was to cause the hidden memories you mentioned


No where did I say or state that Wierd was anything but formidable. The fact is if you read the link name of the image I uploaded for the clones / monks altering that memory it's called wierd's tp resistance. The fact remains that post resurection comet with a deep scan did what 5 clones of his former body couldn't. He also reversed wheat it took a dozen of such clones to do

I know this was an earlier post but I think you missed the point. it was Pre COIE Superman he equalled in that story.

It is clearly shown and stated several times in mystery in space that he is significantly increased in psionic power (just as he is vastly reduced in physical). pre that upgrade he could use TK to fight Lantern's, Lobo, Lar gand and others on the same level that Black can. His performance was not at the same level vs those characters as Black was vs Superman etc (that is why I would say pre resurrection looses to Black - though can at least drag out the fight except if Black goes purely TP. his TP wasn't anywhere near Black's level pre resurection though it is imho post). The amp he gained psionically post resurrection is significant enough to shift the scale the other way. Based on what I have read of Nu52 Comet he appears even more psionically enhanced. I wont however debate that as I've only read 3 issues in which he appears and don't consider that enough to go on.

Originally posted by beatboks
Only some of your links are working and that one isn't one. I assume you've loaded this feat
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576639-secretsocietyofsuper-villains_05-17.jpg~original.jpg
Honestly I can't see how you can say it's TP at all. Sinestro is quite clearly in control of his mind when he shows surprise that his construct suddenly snapped over his own head instead of Comet's.
I don't agree. It's blatantly telegraphed, too.

Sinestro: "You can stop my fists -- but not my mental control over my ring"

Narration: "Were he more confident, of victory, Captain Comet might have explained his his own mental powers to his foe"

He clearly used TP. Sinestro even goads him into doing exactly that. That's why he was explicitly focusing - he was getting inside Sinestro's head.

Your Power Batter example is a contest of wills, only this time the opponent knew to fight back.

Btw, for the links to work, use the Photobucket Extension for Chrome. The site has been playing tricks for a while, and links from there generally need that to work.

Originally posted by beatboks
for the record I don't use Respect threads because I dont trust them. every scan I've loaded was from my own comet images page that I uploaded from my own comics.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/beatboks1/images/?tag=Captain%20Comet

i'm not sure if that link will work as it's me logged into my account, but I can look at image folders of other members.

Since you posted the single scan, and there was a lot more context, I assumed you just used the respect thread.

Originally posted by beatboks
yes he was attacked by all the clones (a LOT MORE than 5) when he was found in the church of light. He was in their church where there were several dozen. Try reading your scans he didn't even try to defend against their mental assault because he had mad a backup plan. the bomb didn't even take out the ones in the room with him it took out those in other rooms below. I advise you to read the scans again. There were 5 clones outside, who blatantly overpowered Comet who explicitly said "There's no fighting it. I don't even try. I go down like a puppet with its strings cut. But I have mentioned that I'm rather fond of fallback strategies?". The explosions are then detonated, and he says he keeps them "off balance long enough and I might just come out of this breathing and still doing my own thing".

So, beat, this statement of yours:

...is wrong. There's no two ways about it.

I posted the scans. You can go back over them. Or you can go back to the issue - Mystery in Space #5.

Originally posted by beatboks
It's not like there weren't MULTIPLE examples of his easily besting more than one of them at a time throughout the series

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576921-psionic+attack.jpg

Beat, I posted the scan myself. It's right in my previous post.

Nobody here is arguing that he is not more powerful than his clones. But you were wrong when you said that he "casually" dropped them in the example where he was up against 5 of them, ignoring the context, and ignoring that he was actually overpowered.

Originally posted by beatboks
then there is this

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576569-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+23.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576570-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+24.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576571-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+25.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576572-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+27.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576574-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+28.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576575-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+30.jpg

The clones tell the deacon of the church of light just how hard it understand the wierd's mind. The five he takes to reprogramme him for the church but they can't even maintain contact with him.

Instead it takes this many

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576578-mystery+in+space+%233+-+page+34.jpg

to alter a single memory to make Comety his most hated enemy.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6523791-1+1+tp+resistance+of+the+weird.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/6576600-mystery+in+space+%237+-+page+30.jpg

this was to cause the hidden memories you mentioned


No where did I say or state that Wierd was anything but formidable. The fact is if you read the link name of the image I uploaded for the clones / monks altering that memory it's called wierd's tp resistance. The fact remains that post resurection comet with a deep scan did what 5 clones of his former body couldn't. He also reversed wheat it took a dozen of such clones to do

It is clearly shown and stated several times in mystery in space that he is significantly increased in psionic power (just as he is vastly reduced in physical).

Yes. I know how many people it took to reprogram the brain of the Weird, because his mind was so complicated. But what Captain Comet did is simply release his memories, he didn't mind-wipe him in the least - quite the opposite - when his raw telepathic power is nothing to the Weird. You're talking about different things here - raw power, and skill. You can't use a skill showing, to show that he has greater raw power than multiple clones, when in fact in raw power, he was explicitly below 5 clones . And the story also explicitly makes it clear, multiple times, that they're not as skilled as him.

In short - he is somewhere >2x times his former TP raw-power, but <5x times.

Well, that's where we differ. I don't think post-amp he closed the gap with Black, not even close to it, particularly when it comes to TK - which is where I think the fight will be won by the latter.

I don't know what we can particularly add to the discussion, since we both see our viewpoints but simply disagree on the degree Post-Ressurection brought them close to each other. So I'll just leave it at this. It was a good talk

Fair enough. Agree to disagree. I originally said Comet dor me because I can see arguments being made for Black. I got the impression you were saying it was quite a stomp for Black (which was what got.my back up). Looking back over the thread I'm not sure why. I must have been in a sensitive ml oment and took the slight arrogant "mine is the correct opinion" and read a lot between the lines.


I will say that where the amp goes as far as his TK is concerned I agree with it only being amped by about 2 post resureection.

The Psionic upgrade as I see it amped his TP vastly more but only to make them more even in power level. Classic comet had quite a disparity in power level between TP and TK.

Post resurrection we saw in about issue 5 or 6 of mystery in space he could TK handle 2 Darkstars but not more. Darkstars are about even with generic Lanterns so this seems about right. That combined with the fact he never TK handled more than two of the monks/clones at once (ah la exploding heads, issue 1s openning scenes)

Conversely in TP he simply wasnt anywhere near as powerful pre resurrection compared to TK (where they seemed more even after). That's probably why I cant see him TPing Sinestro because frankly he just hasnt got the TP chops pre upgrade. It was Shown in SSOSV that Grodd Was His telepathic superior in power he only managed to beat him via "telepathic judo". No way could Grodd TP Sinestro even if he didnt shield (and that was only a few issues apart). Add that to other showings like Legion 44 (IIRC), comet use his TP to make a rioting crowd disperse. Lady Quark commented with great respect, to which comet was surprised because " his TP isn't that strong" (his words). This was around the time he got infested by the parasite IIRC. He could TP read large areas and TP communicate over decent ranges and link people but he lacked the ability to control via TP to a significant degree. The earth 3 pre COIE story is another example he TP calmed a street full of people but it took quite an effort.

One last thing re the characters you were discussing that have continuous continuity through COIE. Your example of Darkside for instance. you see it as inconsistent but I actually see it is consistent because he is scaled against the same characters he performed the feats against in their post-crisis power levels. If he beat Superman to a degree and remained as powerful as he was pre-crisis then he would Stomp post-crisis Superman in the same instance. Similar case we made for losh. The continuity continued through crisis but they still had to be scaled against how they compared to other characters they fought beside. Post mon-el wasn't suddenly vastly stronger and faster than Superman. For the feats remain the same the power levels had to adjust comparitively. That's why post-crisis lanterns can't move planets because post crisis Superman can't take dozens of planets the power head to scale down if their feets remain consistent in relation to Superman.

I guess what I'm saying is I've always seen it as those characters that continued with the same continuaty through the event, simply have their powers at a level that is consistent with that required to perform the same feat against the same character at their post-crisis level. If the history didnt change for them then they have to be able to perform to the same comparitive degree vs the same character at their new level.

Originally posted by beatboks
Fair enough. Agree to disagree. I originally said Comet dor me because I can see arguments being made for Black. I got the impression you were saying it was quite a stomp for Black (which was what got.my back up). Looking back over the thread I'm not sure why. I must have been in a sensitive ml oment and took the slight arrogant "mine is the correct opinion" and read a lot between the lines. It was a funny sequence of replies, so I trolled a bit. I generally do that in threads, so don't take me seriously, lol. When I'm serious, I go into details.