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1. Standard rules.

2. Hand-to-hand, no weapons.

I like Arkon in both.

Arkon

Arkon for me.
Love the homage pics.

And yes, Conan would beat them both.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4c/Conan01.jpg/250px-Conan01.jpg

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I like Arkon in both.

arkon is....useless. who has he beaten, ever...? didn't THUNDRA beat him at some point? i'm sure ben has beaten him, and i don't think he was even able to take out colossus.

arkon?? dude is phukcing terrible. lol

http://i.imgur.com/Xc82a3i.png
I don't know what happened next but this isn't bad.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
http://i.imgur.com/Xc82a3i.png
I don't know what happened next but this isn't bad.
Arkon also fought classic non pussy version of Wonder Man in a prolonged battle. He lost but it was an epic fight.

I think I saw that.

wtf? he stabbed herc, tried to blow him up and herc basically tanked it and did this:

https://imgur.com/a/g4U7x5x

he was a punching bag. still lived after a few shots from herc, so....decent durability i guess. as opposed to a good showing from ares against herc here:

https://arousinggrammar.com/2013/04/04/hercules-vs-ares/

(easier than loading a dozen scans). (nice healing factor display from herc here too.)

anyway, not sure why people feel ares is such a chump all of a sudden, but he is def above this d-lister by a fair margin. the only reason he was able to last for a while against simon was because of his weapons. the bolts pack a bit of a punch, but simon still had him on his knees at the end and would have finished him. the anti-olympian stuff in the last few days has been a bit odd.

I just noticed Hercules said he and Arkon were equal in strength.

Thanks for the rest of the fight. He took a beating from Hercules and stayed concious. Not bad.

Never liked Arkon... He's corny as efff.

Originally posted by leonidas
as opposed to a good showing from ares against herc here:

https://arousinggrammar.com/2013/04/04/hercules-vs-ares/


Hercules was recovering from having his body flooded with Hydra poison, fighting Wonder Man and a bunch of goons with high tech weapons! You can even see the bullet holes and scars on his body from the poison. As opposed to Arkon fighting a healthy Hercules.

Jeez dude....

What does the Hydra blood do?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What does the Hydra blood do?
Well it killed him when he was mortal. It allowed the bullets Ares used to pierce his immortal skin and enter his blood stream where it was causing him extreme pain and driving him mad.
https://i.postimg.cc/zbYBg3jc/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/sGVgT8bP/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0rxj5Mr6/image.jpg
Quoting Ares : "It killed him the first time." and "It's the deadliest poison known to gods."

After all that, when he was recovering, Ares launches his attack.

Obvious the hydra blood made him almost bloodlusted. He prolly turned into a brawler, but definitely looked like he held back less.

Ares told wm to ge ready for "fight of your life"...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Obvious the hydra blood made him almost bloodlusted. He prolly turned into a brawler, but definitely looked like he held back less.

Ares told wm to ge ready for "fight of your life"...
Spoken by Ares : "It is the deadliest poison known to gods". Go to google and look up the definition of the word "deadliest".

Uh... It sent him into a berserker mode. Clearly he was more dangerous here. Also it killed him when he was mortal. Common knowledge that his immortal form > his mortal one.

Ares's attempt did not have the desired effect. If anything it made him more powerful since he held back less.. Can't really see how anyone could view this any different.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Uh... It sent him into a berserker mode. Clearly he was more dangerous here. Also it killed him when he was mortal. Common knowledge that his immortal form > his mortal one.

Ares's attempt did not have the desired effect. If anything it made him more powerful since he held back less.. Can't really see how anyone could view this any different.
Ares sucker attacked him after : riddling his body with the deadliest poison known to gods (that was causing him extreme pain and making him lose his mind), then fighting off Wonder Man, then going up against an army with high tech weapons, then eating a huge explosion that burned off the Hydra poison in his body.

That's the same as Arkon fighting a healthy Hercules that sucker punched him in the back as he was walking away.

Originally posted by zopzop
Ares sucker attacked him after : riddling his body with the deadliest poison known to gods (that was causing him extreme pain and making him lose his mind), then fighting off Wonder Man, then going up against an army with high tech weapons, then eating a huge explosion that burned off the Hydra poison in his body.

That's the same as Arkon fighting a healthy Hercules that sucker punched him in the back as he was walking away.



Seriously... what the f*ck is happening to this board...

K.. He was diminished in some way because of the hydra blood. he was also in a semi bloodlusted mode. Kinda evens out then. works for me.

facepalm

Originally posted by juggernaut74
I just noticed Hercules said he and Arkon were equal in strength.

Thanks for the rest of the fight. He took a beating from Hercules and stayed concious. Not bad.

I don't think meant equal as in, he's just as strong, but in a more general term, that now he's facing a God.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
K.. He was diminished in some way because of the hydra blood. he was also in a semi bloodlusted mode. Kinda evens out then. works for me.


Even going by what you typed, Ares didn't fight that version of Hercules. He fought the version that was recovering from the Hydra venom after he fought off Wonder Man, a small army with high tech weapons, and eating a huge explosion.

You fail my friend.

I'm with Zop on this one.

He knows his muscly dudes.

Was waitin on u to get to that portion.. To which I say, Ares fared way better than Arkon. Way better...

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
K.. He was diminished in some way because of the hydra blood. he was also in a semi bloodlusted mode. Kinda evens out then. works for me.

I love Arkon, he easily wins the first match by BFR.

The second though... He's skilled but he has never shown physical status enough to compete with high end bricks, this is the guy who lost to the Wrecking Crew off panel people. He's a fun character but he's off his hitting range here.

Originally posted by Bentley
The second though... He's skilled but he has never shown physical status enough to compete with high end bricks
Uhm, he's gone up against the entire team of the Classic New X-Men, he's got into prolonged battles with the likes of Classic Wonder Man and Hercules, his physical status is just fine.


And now for a little context. The Wrecking Crew somehow learned to drain energy from outside sources. They were using the Avenger Photon (aka Captain Marvel, aka Spectrum) to amp themselves. The same amped Wrecking Crew that took down Arkon was the same amped Wrecking Crew that were handing the Avengers (which included Thor, Ionic Wonder Man, Scarlet Witch, etc...) their asses until Photon overloaded them and saved the team.

Originally posted by zopzop

his physical status is just fine.


As I pointed out earlier Hercules stated that he and Arkon were equal in strength. So yea his physical status is just fine.

I found this in Arkon's respect thread:
http://i.imgur.com/EDwQIAu.png

I don't know what happens next.

Originally posted by zopzop
Hercules was recovering from having his body flooded with Hydra poison, fighting Wonder Man and a bunch of goons with high tech weapons! You can even see the bullet holes and scars on his body from the poison. As opposed to Arkon fighting a healthy Hercules.

Jeez dude....

You....need to look again and read.

Originally posted by leonidas
You....need to look again and read.
I read just fine. And I provided additional proof in terms of the potency of the Hydra poison. Thanks for playing.

Zop... The book even hinted that Ares may have fibbed a little regarding to the effects of the hydra blood. It implied that he was counting on Herc go bloodlusted so he's allowed to use max force in taking him down.

No mention of the blood weakening him. And if it did, it was completely burned out by Natasha's little trick. He fought Ares on seemingly equal footing by the time Ares had caught up with them over the Atlantic ocean.

I'm going to go and check my Akron collection, since I was preparing his respect thread, but as far as my recollection he has no critical wins without anyone of renown. Sure, he hangs in there and is stronger than Goliath (class 50 hero) but he is rarely shown overwhelming people physically.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Zop... The book even hinted that Ares may have fibbed a little regarding to the effects of the hydra blood. It implied that he was counting on Herc go bloodlusted so he's allowed to use max force in taking him down.

No mention of the blood weakening him. And if it did, it was completely burned out by Natasha's little trick. He fought Ares on seemingly equal footing by the time Ares had caught up with them over the Atlantic ocean.
Ares fought Hercules after the following happened to Hercules :
a) he'd been poisoned by the most potent venom known to the gods (Ares' words, not mine)
b) he got through fighting Wonder Man
c) he got through fighting a small army armed with special weapons trying to take him down
d) he got hit with a huge explosion that burned the Hydra blood out of his system

Arkon fought Hercules after the following happened :
a) he got sucker punched by a healthy Hercules as he was trying to walk away
b) even though Hercules had the upper hand, Crystal still deemed it necessary to jump in and help to end the fight quicker

And here's more info on the Hydra Blood :
https://i.postimg.cc/8F09wr2w/image.jpg
"My Hydra tipped hollow points are about the only thing on Earth, Olypmus, or Hades that will hurt hi..."

Originally posted by zopzop
Well it killed him when he was mortal. It allowed the bullets Ares used to pierce his immortal skin and enter his blood stream where it was causing him extreme pain and driving him mad.

After all that, when he was recovering, Ares launches his attack.

But it doesn't weaken him any. It drives him into a bloodlust. Which was Ares' plan:

https://i.postimg.cc/jD2HmXgC/RCO008_1469461148.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/JsFNLkvx/RCO010_1469461148.jpg

It makes him mad with pain, and he goes into warrior mode (and hallucinating). He's not going to pull his punches.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But it doesn't weaken him any. It drives him into a bloodlust. Which was Ares' plan:

https://i.postimg.cc/jD2HmXgC/RCO008_1469461148.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/JsFNLkvx/RCO010_1469461148.jpg

It makes him mad with pain, and he goes into warrior mode (and hallucinating). He's not going to pull his punches.
Yeah and it was so potent it allowed bullets to pierce his immortal skin. You can see the giant holes they left in his body.

This is going to be another Colossus vs Ares, isn't it?

Ares would beat him to death with his own arm if he got the chance. I'm giving him a very slight majority here. Akron could win if he were able to keep it at distance.

Originally posted by zopzop
I read just fine. And I provided additional proof in terms of the potency of the Hydra poison. Thanks for playing.

the fight with ares was the next issue, after the poison was burned out of him. if you want to play a game, here you go--prove that herc was weakened in that battle with ares. show....anything at all to suggest he was weak because he had some pretty great durability feats during his fight. he'd recovered fine and was trying to stop amadeus when ares surprise attacked him, but....so? anyway, i'll wait patiently while you continue to play your losing game.

arkon is terrible, he MAY be in colossus's class, or ben's, but it tops out at that and ares kills him. not hard.

at celey--the hydra blood drives herc into his own warrior madness/berserker rage. very similar to thor's. he seems unable to feel pain or really be stopped. it most certainly doesn't weaken him at all. lol

he had a fight where he destroyed simon with ease, yet somehow he was weak during his battle with ares? herc HAS trashed ares in the past. this was a good feat for ares who HAS similar feats in his past though. this is zopping at its best is all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But it doesn't weaken him any. It drives him into a bloodlust. Which was Ares' plan:

https://i.postimg.cc/jD2HmXgC/RCO008_1469461148.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/JsFNLkvx/RCO010_1469461148.jpg

It makes him mad with pain, and he goes into warrior mode (and hallucinating). He's not going to pull his punches. Honest question. How is Hercs state here different from a mind controlled character like superman when he was controlled by Maxwell Lord in pretty much the same bloodlusted mind set as herc was when he was poisoned by the venom?

Wouldnt they both be considered "weakened" or operating below their max potential even though they are bloodlusted and not pulling their punches?

Originally posted by Raptor22
Honest question. How is Hercs state here different from a mind controlled character like superman when he was controlled by Maxwell Lord in pretty much the same bloodlusted mind set as herc was when he was poisoned by the venom?

Wouldnt they both be considered "weakened" or operating below their max potential even though they are bloodlusted and not pulling their punches? Better question: why does it matter when, per Herc's words, the poison was out of his system well before he fought Ares?

Also notable: he looked just about fully healed during his fight with Ares. He had at most a few blemishes.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Honest question. How is Hercs state here different from a mind controlled character like superman when he was controlled by Maxwell Lord in pretty much the same bloodlusted mind set as herc was when he was poisoned by the venom?

Wouldnt they both be considered "weakened" or operating below their max potential even though they are bloodlusted and not pulling their punches?

Because fighting WW and fighting DD requires different tactics.

It's like fighting Bruce Lee, vs a bear. One is fine to go wild on, but going crazy on a highly trained martial artist isn't the best tactic.

@rage. i think that is very clear to most. again, arkon couldn't beat THUNDRA. he's also been easily ko'd by thing. he would be competitive against ares for a little bit, but ares would win this h2h every time. how does an arkon thread go so long....? lol

When did he fight Thing? Not sure if I saw that one.

Originally posted by leonidas
again, arkon couldn't beat THUNDRA.
They threw a few punches then wound up kissing. This is the same woman that's beaten Thing once or twice.


A) That wasn't 616 Thing. That was an alt reality Thing (Reed Richards). Which ,interestingly enough, broke through ADAMANTIUM chains when his willpower was sufficiently high :
https://i.postimg.cc/Mc0m48Ds/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/r08N2YZq/image.jpg
B) Arkon beat him the first time
C) Reed Thing sucker punched Arkon from behind
D) That was also from Arkon's earlier appearances where his strength level wasn't fleshed out. The Handbook Entry had him at CL2!

I'm trying to track down scans of Arkon fighting Hyperion but I can't remember what issue it was. I think Hyperion may have been weakened but at the same time he had some magical protection and Arkon was mind controlled.

Originally posted by leonidas

at celey--the hydra blood drives herc into his own warrior madness/berserker rage. very similar to thor's. he seems unable to feel pain or really be stopped. it most certainly doesn't weaken him at all. lol

I was throwing a bone... Walk across the aisle. Non-partisanship style.
give me some credit here!

It def affects his fighting efficacy, as Black Widow sees when he's swinging wildly in the air at imaginary assailants.

Doesn't mean his blows are any weaker.

Plus, we're applying 'RL' logic....hey, imagine if YOU were in intense pain etc etc.

But this is an immortal Greek demigod, lol. Who lifts the heavens or whatever.....even at what, 50%? 80%? He's still going to be pretty hardcore.

But when Hydra blood was used against him with the shirt, he was still strong enough to kill his wife and child iirc, when maddened.

This all started because someone said he was weakened. When,as you point out, we can't say for certain. He was still strong and fast enough to tear the helicarrier apart, get cars smashed on him, catch missiles on mid flight etc etc...

Not stronger than Colossus though

I used to think this forum's biases were revealed by DC vs Marvel threads but now I think everyone is either an Ares or a Colossus guy. KM is coming out Colossus

Simon straight up beat Arkon too.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/West-Coast-Avengers-1985/Issue-31?id=40282

He did, but he clearly worked for it.

BTW do you know what issue Arkon fought Hyperion in? It's fairly recent, Hyperion wasn't at full power but at the same time had magical protection iirc.

I thought Hyperion was powerless in that arc or something...

Not completely and I recall he was able to fly yet. I also remember he had a magical force field or some crap.