Longshot vs Domino

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juggernaut74
Who will be lucky enough to win this fight?

Wonder Man
Longshot

MaZeRaIII
Domino.

People seem to forget that when Longshot is in proximity with other Probability Manipulators, his own powers over probability malfuctions, meanwhile Domino doesn't have that weakness.

Flyattractor
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Domino.

People seem to forget that when Longshot is in proximity with other Probability Manipulators, his own powers over probability malfuctions, meanwhile Domino doesn't have that weakness.

So basically what you are saying is that Lonshot's best chance in this fight would be to ...LONGSHOT Domino?

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Flyattractor
So basically what you are saying is that Lonshot's best chance in this fight would be to ...LONGSHOT Domino? I am not impressed, too expectable

https://imgur.com/a/SqnZYg5

Flyattractor
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
I am not impressed, too expectable

https://imgur.com/a/SqnZYg5

His claws should have come out his wrist that way.

Wonder Man
If it comes down to agility Longshots is better than the training Domino received from the Master.

MaZeRaIII
To be fair , all those stats are irrelevant because of her super-power factor, since Longshot as explained already is at disadvantage due to his powers not working when he is in proximity with other probability manipulators, Domino is gonna have basic advantage of actually having powers - so LS can be faster, stronger or whatever, but those factors would be irrelevant when Domino pulls a lightning on him - https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/5/53235/1048189-untitled_scanned_11.jpg, or some other madness, and the fact that he won't be able to damage her, because he would miss with every shot, cause she is too lucky for that. big grin

Wonder Man
Longshots love will save him.
Dazzler would turn up.
Then Domino would get her head either sawed off by a dart or a lazer.

MaZeRaIII
Longshos may have love on his side, but sadly not mistress luck, so the lasers would fry sadly Longshot here, he is in rather unlucky position here. smile

Wonder Man
Longshot can beat Domino and the Black Cat at once.

MaZeRaIII
He can try, but will get his arse beaten instead.

And too bad he would have no superpowers when he meets other probability manipulators, because of his weakness, do not forget that, he would be your average peak human, what's the point of that if your opponent's powers would make your attacks useless because luck is on their side, plus Domino is a much more skilled fighter, which makes it more of a mismatch.

Wonder Man
Longshots luck power has always been good or bad can happen to himself.

MaZeRaIII
Which is irrelevant given that when he encounters other probability manipulators like himself, his powers malfuction, basically making him powerless, even mediocre wikis like marvel.wiki.com got that weakness part covered.

Wonder Man
Longshot can see events as well.

shiv
Domino Stomps Handily



Dazzler Better Not Show Up

beatboks
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
To be fair , all those stats are irrelevant because of her super-power factor, since Longshot as explained already is at disadvantage due to his powers not working when he is in proximity with other probability manipulators

This is completely and utterly false. Longshot's luck is never a problem around other luck manipulators. I can think of at least a dozen occasions where his luck worked perfectly fine against other luck manipulators. Your link doesn't work so it doesn't prove anything. for one thing in his mini series in the 90s Mojo sent 5 like manipulators against him and they fell like fodder. The only thing that makes Longshot's luck not work is when he tries to use it for personal gain. Protecting himself isn't an issue, winning a fight isn't an issue. If he tries to use it however to win something? to gain money, or to gain things that he would enjoy then it fails. In that same miniseries his luck failed him when he used it to try and earn money as a stunt man.

Wonder Man
Thanks

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by beatboks
This is completely and utterly false. Longshot's luck is never a problem around other luck manipulators.

I assume you haven't read much when it comes to Longshot, because that's exactly how he meets other characters.

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Like for example when he faces Mr. Kanu or how i like to call him Longshot v2.0, since along with having similar powers, he also has the whole eye glow effect as well, guess what happened when they encountered? - Longshot's powers malfuctioned and backfired on him - https://imgur.com/a/HB882P3

Another example comes in form of Black Cat, who is character from Spider Man comics, what happenes when she encounters Longshot? Complete and total backfire of their probability powers. - https://imgur.com/a/PGQAOwU

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So, yes, evidence cut and clear shows that when Longshot encounters another probability manipulator in battle situation, the said power malfuctions, rather simple to understand.

Originally posted by beatboks
I can think of at least a dozen occasions where his luck worked perfectly fine against other luck manipulators.

Right you can name dozen examples, yet i don't see a single one with a name or estabilished probability manipulators, coincidence? I think not.

Overall the encounters that you will be able to provide would be mere Longshot being with ALLIES who have same powers (which is irrelevant since malfunction comes from OPPOSING probability fields, rather than allies' ones) , but not ENEMIES, and practicaly no examples of them being in battle, or those characters probability powers working in OFF mode, like Quark's powers, who has same set of skills as Longshot, but given his pesimistic nature his power is mostly off, so he has to consciously give himself will for his powers for them to work, plus as said already Quark is an ally, not enemy, thus not opposing probability field.

But anyways the evidence shows that when in BATTLE with other probability manipulators his power malfuctions, but if let's say he is not in battle and just travels from place A to place B with other probability bender, there is no malfuction as showcased with Black Cat when she was with Longshot going to their destination, there was no power malfuction during that time, but when they were in battle, their powers backfired.


Originally posted by beatboks
for one thing in his mini series in the 90s Mojo sent 5 like manipulators against him and they fell like fodder.

First, Longshot didn't have mini-series in 90s, he had a simple one-shot.
Second, the feat you are describing is non-existent, nor has ever happened, unless you of course can provide actual scans of the instance. While yes Mojo did send goons, but none of them were probability manipulators (except Quark, but he didn't fight Longshot and was his ally), so that's false from the beginning.

But anyways if you can present evidence of that that would be much better.

Originally posted by beatboks
The only thing that makes Longshot's luck not work is when he tries to use it for personal gain.

Already proved my point, read above.

Originally posted by beatboks
Protecting himself isn't an issue, winning a fight isn't an issue.

You are assuming, i haven't read anything on Longshot? Lol, i have read most of the comics with his apperances, i know how his powers work, no need for explaining, thanks.

Originally posted by beatboks
If he tries to use it however to win something? to gain money, or to gain things that he would enjoy then it fails.

That depends actually, since this is rather the most inconsistent part of his powers, you see in Longshot Saves The Marvel Universe he wanted to eat a taco, but he didn't have money to buy taco, then boom his luck powers miraculously bring that money to him, of course he didn't buy the taco, and then plot of the story goes on.

Basic example of him wanting personal gain and his powers actually giving him.

But overall this aspect of his powers merely depends on the writer really.

Originally posted by beatboks
In that same miniseries his luck failed him when he used it to try and earn money as a stunt man.

Yet, it didn't fail when he wanted some money to buy tacos. big grin

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Longshot can see events as well. Which will lack any useful application in actual battle, it's basically like looking into object's or person's past, but he needs to touch people or objects to do so, anyways it is good power for detective asset and gaining information, but in battle it lacks actual use.

Wonder Man
Seriously can you name how many universes Domino has saved?
https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.yR030T6nY2Bxu4aFxnx9PQHaF-&pid=15.1&P=0&w=217&h=177
vs.
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.j3YoqhPelME16nIGgahOMAAAAA&pid=15.1&P=0&w=300&h=300

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Seriously can you name how many universes Domino has saved?

The most important one, the 616 universe.

https://ibb.co/cwn8a9
https://ibb.co/mv8EF9

Wonder Man
Isn't she reinforced in that.

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Isn't she reinforced in that. Not really, her luck power saved the day, her reinforcement was simply her wearing an armor and having some weapons for back up.

Wonder Man
na it's built by Forge

DarkSaint85
Go WM!

Wonder Man
Thanks DarkSaint85.

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
na it's built by Forge Yeah, the armor and her knife and blasters were built by Forge obviously, but again her probability powers saved the day, not her gear.

Wonder Man
Saveing the day is not as much as saveing the universe

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Saveing the day is not as much as saveing the universe You are playing sematics here, friend.

In that story arc she saved the universe, cut and clear explained, as for saved the day, it's a common catchphrase, you very well know that, so let's not pretend that we don't know notions like this.

Wonder Man
Na. Not all fights are saveing the universe.
Also your argument says about accompaniment and obviously Scarlet Witch is with her.

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Na. Not all fights are saveing the universe.
Also your argument says about accompaniment and obviously Scarlet Witch is with her.

Of course Wanda is with her, read the scans, it was because of Wanda why the universe would have been gone, since Wanda's powers interacted with machine's energies which would have created a space/time disruption of universe literally annihilating the known universe, frankly Domino's probability powers changed that.

Wonder Man
As far as Longshot goes remember when his soul was fading away.
He learned a lot about illusion and could find even footing with Domino anyhow.
Then it would be a matter of how many darts he can throw at Domino sorta like the knife thrower in the Circus.

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
As far as Longshot goes remember when his soul was fading away.
He learned a lot about illusion and could find even footing with Domino anyhow.
Then it would be a matter of how many darts he can throw at Domino sorta like the knife thrower in the Circus.

I don't understand what you are trying to say in regards to illusion part, clarify that part, if you can.

He won't find even footing with Domino, she is much more skilled and more ruthless fighter.

Sure, he can throw all "darts" that he wants, except all of them would miss, his luck power malfuctions when meeting other probability users, i already showed that with scans, meanwhile Domino would be fine and her powers + her skill + her reflexes would allow her to dodge anything Longshot can throw.

Wonder Man
Longshots darts cut through anything. If he has Domino anywhere near anything he can toss a dart and kill the person with illusion like the fake throwing knives in a circus.

MaZeRaIII
Originally posted by Wonder Man
Longshots darts cut through anything. If he has Domino anywhere near anything he can toss a dart and kill the person with illusion like the fake throwing knives in a circus.

Again, you are fogetting that A. Longshot's succesfull hits come from his LUCK POWER, but he doesn't have luck here, i already explained that aspect countless times, and B. Domino's speed + skills + reflexes + her luck power would make her dodge any attack Longshot can throw.

So let's stop going through circles, there are no constructive arguments brought up here, only circling.

Wonder Man
Actually the illusion is like Mirage's power only allusive like luck. Much as the way the Master taught Domino.

MaZeRaIII
Cool, except Longshot can't create illusions, nor can Domino. :/

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