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Creed as of Rocky

Standard 10 round fight

Who wins

Apollo Creed destroys him.

Creed was more impressive. He wins.

Creed would drop Viktor, he's not nearly as strong as his daddy

Is drago's mom watching?

I haven't watched Creed 2 yet, but are people giving Apollo the win based on visual skill (feats and choreography) or more on implied skill?

On skill skill.

Originally posted by riv6672
On skill skill.

Yes but is it visual (as in we look at how he fights in the movie) or implied (we consider whom he's beaten and how he's presented)?

Drago is easily stronger but Apollo was definitely more skilled (without a doubt) and somewhat quicker.

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Originally posted by Inedian
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Everyone else Creed was the best. He bested rocky once with the eye of the tiger and barely lost in their rematch. He also bested him in the gym. Creed in his prime is the best boxer of all time in the rocky verse.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Creed was the best. He bested rocky once with the eye of the tiger and barely lost in their rematch. He also bested him in the gym. Creed in his prime is the best boxer of all time in the rocky verse.

You took gym seriously? Yes it was stated, that was just a filler. Rocky bested Creed physically in Rocky III training then destroyed Clubber (Clubber would be also be difficult for any Creed, because no one can take so much as Rocky can and it's not necessary Creed could always avoid Clubber and not getting hit) and then out of prime Creed bested prime Rocky. Yeah right, no matter what was said, that can't be taken seriously.
And didn't Rocky IV begin Rocky coming home after their fight with Creed in the gym and soon after the same Creed died extremely easily against Drago (but i am not sure with time here)?
We could also argue it was aimed that every fight Rocky had was against stronger opponent, that was 100% the original idea (Drago>Clubber>Creed from Rocky II>Creed from Rocky, don't mention Tommy, he was a joke and was obviously presented as a joke against those four powerhouses).

Purely as a boxer Creed was the best yes...but would never beat prime Rocky officially. Any version of Creed looses against prime Rocky and Drago.

And also Viktor and young Creed can't close compare to those four.

Originally posted by Inedian
You took gym seriously? Yes it was stated, that was just a filler. Rocky bested Creed physically in Rocky III training then destroyed Clubber (Clubber would be also be difficult for any Creed, because no one can take so much as Rocky can and it's not necessary Creed could always avoid Clubber and not getting hit) and then out of prime Creed bested prime Rocky. Yeah right, no matter what was said, that can't be taken seriously.
And didn't Rocky IV begin Rocky coming home after their fight with Creed in the gym and soon after the same Creed died extremely easily against Drago (but i am not sure with time here)?
We could also argue it was aimed that every fight Rocky had was against stronger opponent, that was 100% the original idea (Drago>Clubber>Creed from Rocky II>Creed from Rocky, don't mention Tommy, he was a joke and was obviously presented as a joke against those four powerhouses).

Purely as a boxer Creed was the best yes...but would never beat prime Rocky officially. Any version of Creed looses against prime Rocky and Drago.

And also Viktor and young Creed can't close compare to those four.

yes, Rocky 4 started right after his and Apollos fight but then jumped ahead a few years as evidenced when Adrian says that he's now been retired for 5 years but in Rocky 3 Apollo had only been retired for 3 years

Originally posted by relentless1
yes, Rocky 4 started right after his and Apollos fight but then jumped ahead a few years as evidenced when Adrian says that he's now been retired for 5 years but in Rocky 3 Apollo had only been retired for 3 years

Ok thanks

Originally posted by Inedian
You took gym seriously? Yes it was stated, that was just a filler. Rocky bested Creed physically in Rocky III training then destroyed Clubber (Clubber would be also be difficult for any Creed, because no one can take so much as Rocky can and it's not necessary Creed could always avoid Clubber and not getting hit) and then out of prime Creed bested prime Rocky. Yeah right, no matter what was said, that can't be taken seriously.
And didn't Rocky IV begin Rocky coming home after their fight with Creed in the gym and soon after the same Creed died extremely easily against Drago (but i am not sure with time here)?
We could also argue it was aimed that every fight Rocky had was against stronger opponent, that was 100% the original idea (Drago>Clubber>Creed from Rocky II>Creed from Rocky, don't mention Tommy, he was a joke and was obviously presented as a joke against those four powerhouses).

Purely as a boxer Creed was the best yes...but would never beat prime Rocky officially. Any version of Creed looses against prime Rocky and Drago.

And also Viktor and young Creed can't close compare to those four. I took all their fights seriously. Does it hold more weight than the first two definitely not. The fact remains a peak motivated rocky had two cracks and won 1 out of 2 by a second.

Rocky had the eye in part 3 but again they fought at the end Creed won. Quit acting like training is the same thing as fighting him which he did at the end.

Creed was well past his prime and the Russian came out of nowhere. It is like arguing wizards Michael Jordan is the sane as Chicago bulls jordan. Gtfo with your nonsense. It was years later and he was well past his prime.


Creed beat him in part 1 and barely lost by a second in part 2. Drago is the only boxer to have never defeated Rocky. The guy was juiced up aka cheating as well. Creed was the best, rocky the runner up, with Lang as the bronze medalist.


Just stop with your Drago wank. Cheater got beat and his career went nowhere. Never beat rocky. Creed beat him twice.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I took all their fights seriously. Does it hold more weight than the first two definitely not. The fact remains a peak motivated rocky had two cracks and won 1 out of 2 by a second.

Rocky had the eye in part 3 but again they fought at the end Creed won. Quit acting like training is the same thing as fighting him which he did at the end.

Creed was well past his prime and the Russian came out of nowhere. It is like arguing wizards Michael Jordan is the sane as Chicago bulls jordan. Gtfo with your nonsense. It was years later and he was well past his prime.


Creed beat him in part 1 and barely lost by a second in part 2. Drago is the only boxer to have never defeated Rocky. The guy was juiced up aka cheating as well. Creed was the best, rocky the runner up, with Lang as the bronze medalist.


Just stop with your Drago wank. Cheater got beat and his career went nowhere. Never beat rocky. Creed beat him twice.

Look idiot, you really are an idiot. Rocky who beat Creed in Rocky II was literally amaterish Rocky compared to Rocky from Rocky IV. Any Creed dies against Rocky from Rocky IV (that was the most dangerous and peak Rocky... his durabilty was far above even Rocky II, his experience was far above).

Creed used eye of the tiger as an excuse. Creed in Rocky II was trained to the core and focused and sharp to the core and amaterish Rocky beat him. Rocky and Drago destroys him (it seems motivation didn't help him against Drago and he was saying he feels the best and is quicker than ever... we should trust him). And yes, it was aimed that every opponent Rocky fought was more dangerous. Now leave idiot. Accept that Drago killed him and amaterish Rocky beat him and Rocky outclassed him phyisicaly in Rocky III. F*ucking idiot.

An experienced boxer, a champion, in his physical prime couldn't beat Rocky (who was an amateur) in the fight that mattered (and would also lose the first fight if the fight lasted one more minute).

And Duke knew who prime Creed was and was still saying to Rocky in Rocky IV that he trained his whole life for that fight how he will have to go through hell etc... implying that Drago was the most dangerous boxer they have ever seen.

Originally posted by Inedian
Look idiot, you really are an idiot. Rocky who beat Creed in Rocky II was literally amaterish Rocky compared to Rocky from Rocky IV. Any Creed dies against Rocky from Rocky IV (that was the most dangerous and peak Rocky... his durabilty was far above even Rocky II, his experience was far above).

Creed used eye of the tiger as an excuse. Creed in Rocky II was trained to the core and focused and sharp to the core and amaterish Rocky beat him. Rocky and Drago destroys him. And yes, it was aimed that every oppoent Rocky fought was more dangoerus. Now leave idiot. He beat him by a second you dolt. No, your emotional nonsense is not a fact. Rocky was in his best shape imo in rocky 3 since he had speed. He did not need speed to avoid drago like he did against Lang.

We see without the proper motivation rocky get raped by Lang so no it was a basic point rammed into the audience. If you think motivation accepts for nothing you never competed a day in your worthless life.

Creed was the best boxer at his peak by far. Ask Sylvester he would tell you the sane thing. You being a moron and wanted to drain the cum out of drago is not an actual argument. Drago cheated, lost, and faded into obscurity. Cry more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat him by a second you dolt. No, your emotional nonsense is not a fact. Rocky was in his best shape imo in rocky 3 since he had speed. He did not need speed to avoid drago like he did against Lang.

We see without the proper motivation rocky get raped by Lang so no it was a basic point rammed into the audience. If you think motivation accepts for nothing you never competed a day in your worthless life.

Creed was the best boxer at his peak by far. Ask Sylvester he would tell you the sane thing. You being a moron and wanted to drain the cum out of drago is not an actual argument. Drago cheated, lost, and faded into obscurity. Cry more.

Hahahahhahahahahaha... you are really the biggest idiot ever hahahahhahahahaha.

It's obvious in Rocky IV Drago was the most dangerous boxer they have ever seen... even Duke knew that clearly.

Remember facts... physical prime, sharp, focused and experienced Creed to the core lost to an amaterish Rocky (Drago would murder that Rocky)... that's a fact and would also lose a first fight if the fight lasted one more minute hahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by Inedian
Hahahahhahahahahaha... you are really the biggest idiot ever hahahahhahahahaha.

Every opponent Rocky fought was more dangerous.
It's obvious in Rocky IV Drago was the most dangerous boxer they have ever seen... even Duke knew that clearly.

Remember facts... physical prime, sharp, focused and experienced Creed to the core lost to an amaterish Rocky (Drago would murder that Rocky)... that's a fact and would also lose a first fight if the fight lasted one more minute hahahahahahahaha No, they were not because you ignore part 5 opponent for your silly little theory.


Drago was a guy rocky went toe to toe with the duration of their fight. He had toaster his style against Lang to beat him because he would have knocked rocky into Tuesday if he traded blows.

Rocky lost in the gym, won by a second in 2, lost a decision in part 1, etc. you keep just telling me your opinion and conjecture as if it means anything. You speculating is silly and unprovable. Drago beat an out of prime creed and had multiple punches after rounds to boot. He lost to rocky. Rocky was 1-2 against creed. Lost when he had creed speed to boot.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they were not because you ignore part 5 opponent for your silly little theory.


Drago was a guy rocky went toe to toe with the duration of their fight. He had toaster his style against Lang to beat him because he would have knocked rocky into Tuesday if he traded blows.

Rocky lost in the gym, won by a second in 2, lost a decision in part 1, etc. you keep just telling me your opinion and conjecture as if it means anything. You speculating is silly and unprovable. Drago beat an out of prime creed and had multiple punches after rounds to boot. He lost to rocky. Rocky was 1-2 against creed. Lost when he had creed speed to boot.

Just remember facts... physical prime, sharp, focused and experienced Creed to the core lost to an amaterish Rocky (Drago would murder that Rocky)... that's a fact and would also lose a first fight if the fight lasted one more minute.

Originally posted by Inedian
Just remember facts... physical prime, sharp, focused and experienced Creed to the core lost to an amaterish Rocky (Drago would murder that Rocky)... that's a fact and would also lose a first fight if the fight lasted one more minute. Speculation that was his physical prime. It was different he was focused every single time at the end of a film.

Creed beat champ rocky in the gym. You are proven wrong. No, you getting upset over Creed actually beating rocky when Drago failed in front of his own country. Rocky took his balls and he lost his gal,his honor, and his livelihood.

Prime Creed destroys Drago.

Rocky was always wow durabilty wise, but in Rocky IV was absurd level. What Creed was dishing out against Rocky was nothing compared to what Drago with his superb power was dishing out on Rocky.
The fight between Drago and Rocky was just above level of every previous fight.
Duke clearly knew Drago was the most dangerous guy he had ever seen.

Ivan Drago, if he wants, kills any version of Creed.

But i do agree... as a pure boxer, Creed was the best.

Originally posted by Inedian
Rocky was always wow durabilty wise, but in Rocky IV was absurd level. What Creed was dishing out against Rocky was nothing compared to what Drago with his superb power was dishing out on Rocky.
The fight between Drago and Rocky was just above level of every previous fight.
Duke clearly knew Drago was the most dangoerus guy he had ever seen.

Ivan Drago, if he wants, kills any version of Creed.

But i do agree... as a pure boxer, Creed was the best. No, your logic is shit. He beat an out of prime creed. That is not the same thing as an optimal Creed and you know it.

Creed was the best boxer which is the point of boxing. This is not a street fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, your logic is shit. He beat an out of prime creed. That is not the same thing as an optimal Creed and you know it.

Creed was the best boxer which is the point of boxing. This is not a street fight.

Sorry quan, just ask Duke

Originally posted by Inedian
Sorry quan, just ask Duke So another opinion does not beat logic and the facts. Drago beat one guy well past his prime and rocky broke him. One fight. Creed beat rocky 2 out of 3 times. Creed was the best.