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Peter as of the end of Far from Home

Round 1: Standard morals
Round 2: Morals off for both

Fight takes place in NYC

I mean MCU Spidey can just Order a drone attack on him


Which wouldnt in itself stop him, but would be too much to handle on top of Parker himself.

Plus Parkers Tazer webs are pretty much like Miles venom blasts. So the only advantage Miles has left is invisibility, which the Spidey suit/Tony glasses can probably spot anyway.

Prowler spotted Miles by using thermal vision so invisibility won't be a problem

Can't comment on the overall match until Friday. But unless Spider-Man's suit got a significant downgrade, invisibility will not help Miles much, judging by the various scanners and sensors present here, especially Enhanced Reconnaissance Mode:

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Really don't wanna go off homecoming, he knocked himself out facepalm

Yeah so Miles has no advantage except maybe his venom blast punches. But then Parker is much stronger going by the Ferry feat.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Really don't wanna go off homecoming, he knocked himself out facepalm

Yeah, he was still a noob in Homecoming. I expect he'll be a lot more competent in Far From Home. Anyway, was mostly just pointing out the suit's ability to track Miles.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, he was still a noob in Homecoming. I expect he'll be a lot more competent in Far From Home. Anyway, was mostly just pointing out the suit's ability to track Miles.


Technically though Homecoming was after Civil War, where he was pretty beastly (except against Cap, which was the only real indication of his lack of experience).

He still made a few rookie blunders in Civil War as well, like getting caught off guard by Redwing because he was talking too much, or getting clipped and taken out of the fight by Giant-Man because he celebrated too early. Hell, the main reason he actually managed to pin down Bucky was because the latter jumped in front of a hit that was meant for Falcon and got floored long enough for Peter to web him.

Peter was so much stronger than Bucky that I don't think that was the only reason.

Who said it was the only reason? But he literally gets pinned down right after jumping in front of a hit Spiderman was about to deliver to Falcon, which knocks him to the floor below, where he gets webbed.

And that was an unarmed Bucky who was trying to reach the quinjet for the most part. Just to give one example, if he had a gun instead of being unarmed, he could have provided suppressing fire, instead of having to resort to using his body as a shield.

But anyway, moot point really by now. As I said, I expect Peter will be much better in the new film, to the point where neither Cap or Bucky should really pose a serious threat to him. Because that's how it should be.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Peter was so much stronger than Bucky that I don't think that was the only reason.




Yeah exactly. Too strong, too agile and too fast.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Who said it was the only reason? But he literally gets pinned down right after jumping in front of a hit Spiderman was about to deliver to Falcon, which knocks him to the floor below, where he gets webbed.

And that was an unarmed Bucky who was trying to reach the quinjet for the most part. Just to give one example, if he had a gun instead of being unarmed, he could have provided suppressing fire, instead of having to resort to using his body as a shield.


Of course him having a gun would make the fight different. No ones denied that. But the rest sounds like your making excuses for Bucky tbh, who was clearly just outmatched.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course him having a gun would make the fight different. No ones denied that. But the rest sounds like your making excuses for Bucky tbh, who was clearly just outmatched.

What excuses? I never once stated that Bucky is an actual one-on-one match for Spider-Man. Just that he was not at his best and got pinned down while taking a hit for Falcon, both of which is true.

And whether you want to acknowledge it or not, these things do make a difference, because not only would it provide Bucky with more options (including drastically increasing his offensive range), it would have allowed Falcon himself more freedom as well, having a partner who could better support and cover him. Now, would that have made a difference in the ultimate outcome? Maybe not. But Spider-Man would have had a much tougher fight on his hands.

I doubt Mile can even touch Parker.. Its a stomp in Parker's favor

I finally got to watch Far From Home a bit earlier. I quite enjoyed it.

On topic, I would back Peter at this point. He's vastly improved IMO. Some really great strength feats, performed without any real assistance (unlike the Ferry feat, where Tony showed up to help) like the ferris wheel and stone tower feats, some absolutely beastly durability feats getting smashed by a train, taking all those hits and blasts from drones at the end, being smashed left, right and center, and a confirmed healing factor, as his injuries all seemed to heal, except the really bad ones, within hours to days, and his overall speed, agility and coordination was also much better.

In fact, he might not even need the sensor stuff, as he seems to have sorted out his Peter Tingle as well (yes, I will call it this). He was basically fighting both deaf and blind, in terms of being able to detect his opponents, at one point in the final battle, and he was still cleaning house.

And then, of course, the custom designed new suit. That bit where we was working on it and Happy was watching was a good scene.

So, I did a bit of research on the Venice bell tower feat, because it was the one in particular that caught my eye. And if the info I found is correct (and granted, it might not be), the feat is pretty ridiculous actually.

From what I could find, the bell tower in question is St Mark's Campanile. They shot part of the film there, in St Mark's Square, and it looks like the tower from the film.

And if this article is to be believed, it weighs around 13,000 tonnes in total (obviously, just replace the asterisks in the link. I did it to prevent it showing up under the spoiler tag.):

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Now, obviously, he didn't support the entire thing (IIRC, it cracked about 1/3 to 1/2 from the bottom), and he did also use his webs to help him. But still, holy hell, that's a lot.

^ Yeah strength wise MCU Spidey is more like Iron Man. We never got his origin story but the Spider that bit him must have been seriously enhanced!

Makes Cap overpowering him just more ridiculous. Hes simply wayyyyy out of Caps strength league. And way ahead of him in speed and agility of course.

I still maintain that that was a combination of Cap also using his greater XP to throw Peter off balance, at which point their relative weight to each other becomes more important than how much they can bench (Peter can't use his strength properly while stumbling forward, and Cap can easily lift/pull/throw Peter's body weight). That can actually be explained off by the fact that Peter was still a developing hero at the time, testing, pushing and expanding his limits. Plus, he's a super teen going through enhanced puberty, and it's been some time since the airport fight, even taking into account the Snap/Blip.

So, he could legitimately be stronger now than he was back then.

^ Oh it was definitely experience and using his own momentum against him and all that bs.... but still kinda ridiculous tbh.

And yeah hes a growing lad so is probably growing stronger with each film.

Well cap was at least asgardian level, so it's not too much of a stretch

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Oh it was definitely experience and using his own momentum against him and all that bs.... but still kinda ridiculous tbh.

And yeah hes a growing lad so is probably growing stronger with each film.

On a random note though, it's instances like that which also reminds me how phucking retarded the weight assignments are in the Pacific Rim films. That tower is almost 7 times heavier than Gipsy Danger and about twice as heavy as Slattern (who is Godzilla-sized).

Got a chance to watch this again. I was wrong about that building. The St Mark's Campanile is visible at points during that scene, in the background, so I guess my brain mixed them up when I was thinking back.

Anyway, it's actually the tower of the Santa Maria Formosa. Which is only roughly about 1/10 the size of St Mark's. So, a lot less impressive in terms of mass.

However, I did notice some other things on the plus side. The stonework around which he puts the initial webbing crumbles away, so it can be fairly safely assumed that it stopped helping at that point, as the tower started tilting sideways when that happened. And Pete only uses two lines of web to create anchor points to hold onto (similar to when Thor used the rope attached to Rocket's ship with the rings in IW). So, the weight he was supporting (which was probably in the high hundreds of tons, instead of thousands) was done via mostly muscle, as, even with the webs, he had to be strong enough to maintain both his grip and footing. Of course, the scene is completely unrealistic, in that the webbing attachment points on the other buildings themselves should have torn loose from the strain (a small patch of metal/stone isn't supporting that much weight without breaking), but that's beside the point.

So, still a very good strength feat. Just not as out there as I initially thought. And kind of relieved, to be honest. Holding up what amounts to a skyscraper should be left to the really big bricks IMO.

Yeah, it's still a hell of a feat as it is.

I really doubt writers/directors make any of these calculations themselves. What matters is how the character is portrayed in combat. Him supporting hundreds (or even thousands) of tons is meaningless if he later gets overpowered by a guy who can lift no more than 20 tonnes (yes im still thinking of Cap).

However what is impressive is having huge strength feats in both of his solo films (makes it consistent and not one off PIS), and effecting Thanos with his hits in IW (combat applicable strength).

Yeah, but I just didn't want to leave the wrong info up there.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, but I just didn't want to leave the wrong info up there.