Round 1: Standard morals
Round 2: Morals off for both
Fight takes place in NYC
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I mean MCU Spidey can just [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Order a drone attack on him
Which wouldnt in itself stop him, but would be too much to handle on top of Parker himself.
Plus Parkers Tazer webs are pretty much like Miles venom blasts. So the only advantage Miles has left is invisibility, which the Spidey suit/Tony glasses can probably spot anyway.
Can't comment on the overall match until Friday. But unless Spider-Man's suit got a significant downgrade, invisibility will not help Miles much, judging by the various scanners and sensors present here, especially Enhanced Reconnaissance Mode:
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Yeah, he was still a noob in Homecoming. I expect he'll be a lot more competent in Far From Home. Anyway, was mostly just pointing out the suit's ability to track Miles.
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Technically though Homecoming was after Civil War, where he was pretty beastly (except against Cap, which was the only real indication of his lack of experience).
He still made a few rookie blunders in Civil War as well, like getting caught off guard by Redwing because he was talking too much, or getting clipped and taken out of the fight by Giant-Man because he celebrated too early. Hell, the main reason he actually managed to pin down Bucky was because the latter jumped in front of a hit that was meant for Falcon and got floored long enough for Peter to web him.
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Who said it was the only reason? But he literally gets pinned down right after jumping in front of a hit Spiderman was about to deliver to Falcon, which knocks him to the floor below, where he gets webbed.
And that was an unarmed Bucky who was trying to reach the quinjet for the most part. Just to give one example, if he had a gun instead of being unarmed, he could have provided suppressing fire, instead of having to resort to using his body as a shield.
But anyway, moot point really by now. As I said, I expect Peter will be much better in the new film, to the point where neither Cap or Bucky should really pose a serious threat to him. Because that's how it should be.
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Of course him having a gun would make the fight different. No ones denied that. But the rest sounds like your making excuses for Bucky tbh, who was clearly just outmatched.
What excuses? I never once stated that Bucky is an actual one-on-one match for Spider-Man. Just that he was not at his best and got pinned down while taking a hit for Falcon, both of which is true.
And whether you want to acknowledge it or not, these things do make a difference, because not only would it provide Bucky with more options (including drastically increasing his offensive range), it would have allowed Falcon himself more freedom as well, having a partner who could better support and cover him. Now, would that have made a difference in the ultimate outcome? Maybe not. But Spider-Man would have had a much tougher fight on his hands.
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I finally got to watch Far From Home a bit earlier. I quite enjoyed it.
On topic, I would back Peter at this point. He's vastly improved IMO. Some really great strength feats, performed without any real assistance (unlike the Ferry feat, where Tony showed up to help) [SPOILER - highlight to read]: like the ferris wheel and stone tower feats, some absolutely beastly durability feats [SPOILER - highlight to read]: getting smashed by a train, taking all those hits and blasts from drones at the end, being smashed left, right and center, and a confirmed healing factor, as his injuries all seemed to heal, except the really bad ones, within hours to days, and his overall speed, agility and coordination was also much better.
In fact, he might not even need [SPOILER - highlight to read]: the sensor stuff, as he seems to have sorted out his Peter Tingle as well (yes, I will call it this). He was basically fighting both deaf and blind, in terms of being able to detect his opponents, at one point in the final battle, and he was still cleaning house.
And then, of course, [SPOILER - highlight to read]: the custom designed new suit. That bit where we was working on it and Happy was watching was a good scene.
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So, I did a bit of research on the [SPOILER - highlight to read]: Venice bell tower feat, because it was the one in particular that caught my eye. And if the info I found is correct (and granted, it might not be), the feat is pretty ridiculous actually.
From what I could find, the bell tower in question is St Mark's Campanile. They shot part of the film there, in St Mark's Square, and it looks like the tower from the film.
And if this article is to be believed, it weighs around 13,000 tonnes in total (obviously, just replace the asterisks in the link. I did it to prevent it showing up under the spoiler tag.):
Now, obviously, he didn't support the entire thing (IIRC, it cracked about 1/3 to 1/2 from the bottom), and he did also use his webs to help him. But still, holy hell, that's a lot.
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I still maintain that that was a combination of Cap also using his greater XP to throw Peter off balance, at which point their relative weight to each other becomes more important than how much they can bench (Peter can't use his strength properly while stumbling forward, and Cap can easily lift/pull/throw Peter's body weight). That can actually be explained off by the fact that Peter was still a developing hero at the time, testing, pushing and expanding his limits. Plus, he's a super teen going through enhanced puberty, and it's been some time since the airport fight, even taking into account the Snap/Blip.
So, he could legitimately be stronger now than he was back then.
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